80-96-list-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 163



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax
RE: FTE 80-96 - SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"
Re: FTE 80-96 - SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax
Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax
FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco
FTE 80-96 - 80-96 Gear Vender O/D
RE: FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bro nco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco
FTE 80-96 - re: Whats with my T.P.S.?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking
FTE 80-96 - Air Conditioner Question
FTE 80-96 - Best wax
FTE 80-96 - Fans
FTE 80-96 - waxing
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:37:31 EDT
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"

I installed one in my 93 F250 a week after purchasing truck. Love it!
Install not as simple as the instructions claim, but as I recall, a couple
hours and your done. Leave the bolts on the seatbelt extenders slightly lose
so you can rotate them down to clear seat when folding, or they will want to
tear the cushion.

Scott
92 Bronco
93 F250SC

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:34:23 PDT
From: "Jim Kudulis"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax

You're right about the price, but when I looked at the Meguiar's line it
appeared you needed several products to complete the waxing process.
Cleaner, polisher, wax, glaze etc. If you follow their recommended process
it would cost more than $20. Also the polishing agent in xymol is very
gentle and all natural. Hell it smells so good you could mix a little rum
with it and enjoy. It takes me about an hour to wax my 94 250. Wherever I
go I get alot of comments about how good the truck looks.
Jim



On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:54:03 EDT, Lwskywalk aol.com wrote:

> DONT USE XYMOL its like 20 dollars a bottle. go with meguiar's its the
best
> in my opinion and for the best price... xymol is as good but a whole lot
more
> expensive. take your pic
>
> luke
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:04:30 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"

I've used the same one in 3 trucks now. In the 86 and 89, the seat folded
flat. In the 92 it isn't off by a couple of inches. The biggest draw back is
the seat belts are hard to retrive Ron the floor. They just reach the height
of the seat. It is nice to have the storage under the seat.

Dale Ratcliff
Email : dratc Telxon.com
92 F150



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From: dwelder jps.net [mailto:dwelder jps.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:57 PM
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"


Anybody used one of these ('93 F250)? If so, is there any negative
impact to the usage of the seat? In other words does the seat still
fold flat? Anything else?

Thanks,
Dean


AFM #303, STRA #303
Team Bird of Prey
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:42:20 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - SuperCab Rear Seat "lift kits"

One small con. The lift brackets usually incorporate a 3/4" shift
forward to clear the trim underneath the rear window. If leg room is a
problem, it might be more so after the install. Although most of the
time the reason lift kits are installed are for "vertically challenged"
folk who don't have long legs.

Steve Randa
'84 F150

"W. Dean Welder" wrote:
>
> Anybody used one of these ('93 F250)? If so, is there any negative
> impact to the usage of the seat? In other words does the seat still
> fold flat? Anything else?
>
> Thanks,
> Dean
>
> AFM #303, STRA #303
> Team Bird of Prey
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:14:31 -0500
From: "Steve Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax

I was helping a Canadian couple who were driving through Montana on
vacation. Their Taurus has over heated and I gave them what water I had. In
return for helping them he gave me a bottle of "DRI-WASH'n GUARD" waterless
car wash (He was a distributor for them). I accepted it and let him demo the
stuff for me and it seemed to work OK, but as dirty as my truck was (over
3000 miles and no wash) I didn't see it as being the perfect solution for my
dirty truck. I finally got to a car wash and scrubbed my truck up, then
yesterday evening I went to try it. Surprisingly, It does a wonderful job.
Spray a mist on the surface, rub it to a light glaze with a terrycloth
cloth, then remove it with another terrycloth cloth.
While I'll still wash and wax my car with the real stuff, I'm not so sure
this has the best wax quality in it, I will definitely use this to detail
the truck, and to put a easy quick shine on it. Someday when my 50 and I are
ready to go to shows, it will be in the polishing kit.
I am in no way affiliated with this product, I just like it
The web site is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.enviro-tech.com/ and more specifically:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.enviro-tech.com/html/dwg.html#DWG

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:29:29 -0700
From: "LS"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax

Just my two cents , I have always used Meguire's glaze.
The #7 is a hand glaze and #3 being a machine glaze.
Glazes in general do not leave swirls even by hand and
depending upon the environment you live in the protection
cant be beat. I live in the high desert outside of Mojave, CA
and the summers can be brutal on paint. The Meguire's
glaze provides the nutrients that paints need to keep from
flaking or oxidizing. Just an added bonus, you dont have to
glaze as often as wax.

87 Bronco 5.0
93 T-Bird 3.8
72 Stang Convt. Show Car
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Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax


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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:56:08 -0400
From: "Francisco J. Pance"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco

Hello Everybody:

Has anybody heard of a conversion of the rear brakes in a Ford Bronco
from drums to discs? Did any of the late models (1996) come with rear
disc brakes from the factory? Also, can somebody recommend a
manufacturer of high perfornace brake systems for this truck?

Thanks a bunch,

Francisco Pance
linguacorp true.net
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:08:09 EDT
From: SCHOMACKER aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 80-96 Gear Vender O/D

I have a Gear Vender unit in my 85 E-350 cut-away van. It does give one alot
of options when towing, particularly in hilly country, but don't expect too
much from such units. For one, I experienced NO change in fuel economy, no
matter how I drove or used the unit. Also, especially in high gear over
drive, one puts alot of extra strain on the transmission, causing a pretty
good increase in transmisssion oil temperature. One cuts the unit on or off
using a dimmer type switch on the floor board and the unit shifts a little
too hard to suit me at times. At 65 MPH, the unit reduces rpm by about 500
when on, this I have found gives me a little better "top speed" in flat
country but you must shift out of it as soon as you run into any sort of hill
or you seriously bog down.
Considering the cost of the unit, I feel that it is pretty much a toss-up as
to whether its worth it.
I hope that I've been of some help in your decision.

Bob S.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:28:20 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bro nco

Francisco,
If you look in the back(ad section) of any off road magazine you will
find a company that sells kits for this type of swap. If I remember
correctly, for about $265.00 you get everything minus the calipers.

Hope this helps

Eric
89 F150

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> From:Francisco J. Pance [SMTP:linguacorp true.net]
> Sent:Thursday, June 10, 1999 9:56 AM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in
> a Bronco
>
> Hello Everybody:
>
> Has anybody heard of a conversion of the rear brakes in a Ford Bronco
> from drums to discs? Did any of the late models (1996) come with rear
> disc brakes from the factory? Also, can somebody recommend a
> manufacturer of high perfornace brake systems for this truck?
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
> Francisco Pance
> linguacorp true.net
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:43:05 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco

On the brake conversion check out
Stainless Steel Brake Corp.
Let me know what they say. I have a buddy who used them for all of the
brakes, lines, etc. on his new hotrod he's building.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:40:41 -0700
From: Mike Mueller
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Whats with my T.P.S.?

Wow total flashback!
I don't know if you are new to this list but just in the last 2 weeks I
had this very same problem, (thread name: 89 351 Idle Surge...). Some
very good responses and suggestions came thru. I'll tell you what I
learned.

I have an 89 F-150 351 A/T. My problem started with the idle surging at
idle, then it really started to run rich, then very rich. First guess
was the Air Idle Bypass Valve on the Throttle body. Your TPS is on the
bottom, EGR on the left and the Air valve on the right. It has a
solenoid and wires and plug going to it. Undo the wires, 2 bolts and
it's off. Clean out the gunk with carb cleaner and install. This
wasn't my problem but it's the first thing you look at, and the
easiest.

I also suspected the 02 sensor. I found out that if you unhook it at
the plug the computer will try to adjust for it's not working. So if
it's better unhooked -replace it, if it's exactly the same -look
elsewhere. (this wasn't my problem either).

As it turns out, my Fuel Pressure Regulator was allowing over 100 Psi.
to be at the injectors. The stock spec is somewhere around 20 Psi. I
got fed up and need to get the truck back to working so I paid the
dealer 90 for a diagnostic. They pinpointed the problem quickly. The
last thing I want to do is take it to the dealer, or any mechanic, but
if it was one of the lil black boxes, or senders, or gizmos instead of
me replacing them all I was hoping they could cut it to the quick. The
part was $65 and went in in less than an hour. I blew out all the soot
on the freeway onramps and now it runs great! Hope this helps!

Later-
Mike Mueller



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> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:35:09 EDT
> From: VALPAC3 aol.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Whats with my T.P.S.?
>
> I have a 89 F-150 with E-FI and the RPMs kept on going way up and then way
> down and sometimes even died when ever I would push in the clutch or idle for
> a long peroid of time. finnaly one day it died and would not start again. I
> took it in, thinking that it was the TPS, and had a new one put on. That was
> 2 weeks ago and it runs but it is still doing the same thing. What could be
> the problem? What should I do?
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:39:04 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking

In a message dated 06/10/1999 1:23:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
FLR150 aol.com writes:


I hate to tell you buddy, but you bit off a big one here....On my buddy's
truck ('94 F150 2wd) they had to drop the ypipe, tranny cross member, tranny
and then the pan, while unhooking the oil pump hookup, then doing the
gasket,
replacing the pickup and bolting all the other stuff back up. On the ground
with jacks and stands, tranny jack, and 2 guys, it took them almost 4-5
hours. He is on this list, Lwskywalk aol.com if you want to email him about
it. His name is Luke >>
Dude, this is not good... I know that you have to drop the trans if you
don't take the upper manifold off, but I have the t-case to deal with too....

Joe
:Lost in jesey
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:22 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking

Be sure that your problem is the oil pan gasket - a lot of oil coming
from other places winds up on the oil pan due to the fan and gravity.
Make sure the engine is squeaky clean first and look for leaks at the
front seal, valve cover(s), etc. before blaming the oil pan gasket.

Mike

ACMERCG aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 06/10/1999 1:23:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> FLR150 aol.com writes:
>
>
> I hate to tell you buddy, but you bit off a big one here....On my buddy's
> truck ('94 F150 2wd) they had to drop the ypipe, tranny cross member, tranny
> and then the pan, while unhooking the oil pump hookup, then doing the
> gasket,
> replacing the pickup and bolting all the other stuff back up. On the ground
> with jacks and stands, tranny jack, and 2 guys, it took them almost 4-5
> hours. He is on this list, Lwskywalk aol.com if you want to email him about
> it. His name is Luke >>
> Dude, this is not good... I know that you have to drop the trans if you
> don't take the upper manifold off, but I have the t-case to deal with too....
>
> Joe
> :Lost in jesey
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Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:48:18 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-150 Oil pan gasket leaking

In a message dated 06/10/1999 6:47:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
msloane worldnet.att.net writes:


Be sure that your problem is the oil pan gasket - a lot of oil coming
from other places winds up on the oil pan due to the fan and gravity.
Make sure the engine is squeaky clean first and look for leaks at the
front seal, valve cover(s), etc. before blaming the oil pan gasket.

Mike >>
the missing gasket kind of gives it away... :)

Joe
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:44:43 -0500
From: "Neff, Charles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Air Conditioner Question

I have a 87 F-150 with Factory Air Conditioning, 302, 2WD. The System has
the Pre-charge type compressor with the shut off valves on it. I have over
the last year replace the condenser coil but that is all until now. Previous
charges usually produced a head pressure not over 250 lbs. even with a hot
condenser coil. Now, I get a head pressure of 250 at cold and when the
condenser starts to heat the pressure goes to 300 and has approached 350.
Lowering the charge in the system to produce less head pressure (200 - 250
when hot) results in a suction so low that the low pressure switch cuts out
and then back on. All of this indicates that something is blocking the flow.
I have replaced the "old style" liquid line and the orifice tube but did not
replace the Drier. I don't suspect the drier is stopped up because where I
measure the low suction is at the fitting where the evaporator connects to
the drier. A stopped up drier would cause a high pressure at this point. It
acts like the liquid line or evaporator is stopped up... is this possible?
I have not had the drier off yet. Is there any screens anywhere that could
be stopped up? When I did replace the orifice tube there was nothing on
either of the screens. The system has a "Red" orifice tube. I will add that
sometimes the pressures fluctuate and seem to return to near normal but
escalate at higher rpm's. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:01:16 -0400
From: Bryant Smith
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Best wax

I have found (through years of unofficial testing) that Finish 2001 is
by far the best and longest lasting. I have a jewel green 1993 F-150 SC,
a silver 1991 Cadillac Sedan de Ville, and 2 bright blue Ford LTL9000s
(class 8 trucks). Finish 2001 is the only wax I have ever used on them
and none of them show any signs of oxidation. Considering that I only
wax once a year, that all of these vehicles are kept outside, and that
the coastal NC climate is not the best in the world for paint finishes,
it is the only wax I'll ever buy!

> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:51:14 EDT
> From: Ardy2 aol.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Best Wax
>
> I had my 89 Ranger repainted about 2 months ago. I figure the paint has
> thoroughly cured by now and am ready to give it a top notch wax job. Any
> suggestions for brands? There are so many out there to choose from!
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:15:06 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fans

Any experience, or opinions, on electric, or flex fans,
as opposed to the plain old clutch fan???

Trying to figure out what to do for our street machine
'81 El Camino (yeah a darn Cheby)

For Ford content, My '92 is stopping better than ever
these days. Lubing those slide points, and replacing rear
shoes was what the doctor ordered!!!!

Dave H.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:42:37 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - waxing

I did one time go out and buy a real nice orbital buffer(the low speed type)
and used it a couple of times but it was as much work as doing it by hand so
I just do it that way now.

Scott Harris
'85 F150 SC 302 efi....
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