80-96-list-digest Wednesday, June 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 161



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - AutoTrans Interceptor
RE: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year
FTE 80-96 - AutoTrans Interceptor
RE: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
FTE 80-96 - Holley Carb Dealers
RE: FTE 80-96 - Holley Carb Dealers
FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking
Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking
Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking
Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking
Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:28:50 -0400
From: Doug Tinsman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AutoTrans Interceptor

I want to let the group know what happened to me when I installed an
Interceptor on my truck.

I installed the interceptor on a 97 F350 with 22,000 miles. Following
the directions exactly, the install didn't take
30 minutes. I was impressed with the shift firmness and the delay in
converter lock up was great.

I thought my complaints with the E4OD trans where over, but the real
problems had just began.

Three days after I installed the Interceptor, while driving normally, at
night and wet road conditions, I heard an
electrical pop (like a fuse blowing) and the truck started running
awful. The trans was "hunting" for a gear, the
engine acted like two plug wires had been pulled loose, I didn't think I
could make it home the truck was running
so bad.

When I did get home, the only think I could think of was the Interceptor
somehow caused this. I burnt myself a
couple of times getting the SOB off the trans. Started the truck after
removing the Interceptor and it ran fine, you
would not have believed the truck could run that bad and just removing
the Interceptor would really fix it. In the
back of my mind I knew it wasn't really fixed.

I called the supplier where I purchased the Interceptor. They agreed to
refund the purchase price and the
shipping. About an hour later I got a call from the AutoTrans rep
(manufacture of the Interceptor). He was notified
of my problem by the distributor. He proceeded to explain to me that my
problem was the third reported problem
with the Interceptor, but it was the first time someone had reported
they had heard the popping sound. We were
on the phone for 45 minutes discussing the problem in detail. To make up
for all of my problems he offered to
send me a new Interceptor free of charge. I would have to wait on it
though, since they were redesigning the
Interceptor.

Thats cool, I get a new and improved Interceptor and it cost me nothing!
you don't get that service very much
these days do you? Don't stop reading yet, the plot becomes much
thicker.


I want to let the group know what happened to me when I installed an
Interceptor on my truck.

I installed the interceptor on a 97 F350 with 22,000 miles. Following
the directions exactly, the install didn't take
30 minutes. I was impressed with the shift firmness and the delay in
converter lock up was great.

I thought my complaints with the E4OD trans where over, but the real
problems had just began.

Three days after I installed the Interceptor, while driving normally, at
night and wet road conditions, I heard an
electrical pop (like a fuse blowing) and the truck started running
awful. The trans was "hunting" for a gear, the
engine acted like two plug wires had been pulled loose, I didn't think I
could make it home the truck was running
so bad.

When I did get home, the only think I could think of was the Interceptor
somehow caused this. I burnt myself a
couple of times getting the SOB off the trans. Started the truck after
removing the Interceptor and it ran fine, you
would not have believed the truck could run that bad and just removing
the Interceptor would really fix it. In the
back of my mind I knew it wasn't really fixed.

I called the supplier where I purchased the Interceptor. They agreed to
refund the purchase price and the
shipping. About an hour later I got a call from the AutoTrans rep
(manufacture of the Interceptor). He was notified
of my problem by the distributor. He proceeded to explain to me that my
problem was the third reported problem
with the Interceptor, but it was the first time someone had reported
they had heard the popping sound. We were
on the phone for 45 minutes discussing the problem in detail. To make up
for all of my problems he offered to
send me a new Interceptor free of charge. I would have to wait on it
though, since they were redesigning the
Interceptor.

Thats cool, I get a new and improved Interceptor and it cost me nothing!
You don't get that service very much
these days do you? Don't stop reading yet, the plot becomes much
thicker.

After waiting months past the ship time of the new Interceptor, I had to
bug the hell out of AutoTrans to get them
to send it to me, but they did (free too). I installed it as per the
install directions, started the truck and you
guessed it, the truck ran as bad as it did when I removed the first
Interceptor months ago!

I removed the Interceptor, started the truck and it was ok again. Now I
am pissed. I removed the computer from
the truck, open the case and find one of the small capacitors blown off.
Some other areas on the board are burnt.
I know now the first Interceptor did this, but what I can't figure out
is how the truck runs so good with a damaged
computer!

I put all this stuff back together and figure the Ford dealership
service department will find it under computer
diagnoses and fix it under warranty. Wrong! The service tech had the
truck on the machine for an hour and half
and couldn't find a thing wrong. I couldn't tell him what I found,
removing the case from the computer voids the
warranty!

So now I am really screwed....... thanks AutoTrans !!!!!!! ...........
But wait....... AutoTrans was sooo helpful when
the first Interceptor blew up maybe they will back up the cost of a new
computer if I call them up?

Well I did. They mumbled something about "letting the right people know
what happened and we will get back to
you". I have not and will not ever hear from them. Mostly I called to
warn them they are producing a product that
can damage expensive components and they should do something to correct
this ASAP.

So the story ends, me with a broken truck and big bucks to fix it,
right.

Nope this story has a happy ending after all. My brother put me onto a
Ford truck mechanic he is friends with. I
told him the story exactly the way I am telling you, blow by blow. He
agreed to fix the truck under warranty. He
did confirm that opening the computer case voids the warranty, but he
can get it fixed anyway. What luck !!!!!!

The only moral I can think of is .......... Buyer Beware.

DT


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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:50:28 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91

Paul,
the 89 radio console pretty much just pops out, it is held in by press
in clips around it(I believe there are four of them). I used a plastic
putty knife and with slight pressure they popped out.I found them on the
vertical portion of the console just below the upper corner and just
above the lower corners.

Eric





> -Original Message-----
> From:Paul [SMTP:thegman cfw.com]
> Sent:Monday, June 07, 1999 5:52 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91
>
> I know I am a little lazy in not looking after work, but I was
> wondering
> if anyone knows how to remove the plastic wood trim stuff in order to
> get to the radio.
> Does it pop out (I doubt it), or are there hidden screws?
> I just got this Bronco recently, and it sure seems less obvious than
> the
> 79 I was used to working on.
>
> Thanks, Paul Gayda
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:05:35 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year

>From: Casey Vandor
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year
>
>I have seen a late 80's beat up crew cab with a solid front
>axle, and the linkages seem to be really similar, so I
>am going to try and track down the owner. Anybody
>have any ideas on which years are easiest to swap?
>I am guessing if I could find a 80-? one tone, that
>most of the front end would be pretty similar. Did the
>solid front axles use the inverse arch setup, or did
>they have regular arch springs?

Yo Casey:

The easiest to swap are the 1986-1997 F350s. They are literally a bolt-in swap.

You need to get everything from the axle up to the frame (axle, track arm, track
arm bracket, springs, and shackles) and all the steering linkage from the axle
to the steering box. The steering box and Pitman arm are the same on F250s and
F350s, but all the linkage below that is different, so you need all the F350
stuff. If you can, you might want to snag the front driveshaft from the
transfer case to the axle, as that might be a different length (don't know for
sure).

All the spring mounts are the same on F250s and F350s. The F350 track bar mount
bolts to the front crossmember, in place of one of the F250 TTB pivot brackets.

BTW: Most of the OEM F350 springs I've seen are 3-leaf negative arch (curved
upward, just like the F250 design, but heavier).

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:24:32 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AutoTrans Interceptor

Regarding the AutoTrans Interceptor fiasco:

An additional lesson is to be learned here... It pays to know someone who
is the friend of a Ford Dealership Mechanic...!

Glad that things worked out for you...

Todd
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:01:53 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving

Edward, I have the same setup on my truck(89 f150). I was told that
could replace the two cats with one, when they went bad(approx 80k
miles). So now I have just one cat and recently passed smog with flying
colors(California smog at that).

Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Edward Saunders [SMTP:pucker21 usit.net]
> Sent:Sunday, June 06, 1999 12:46 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
>
> I went yesterday and had the muffler replaced. They said the cats ( I
> can't
> figure why Ford has 2 cats on my truck ) look fine, and aren't coming
> apart,
> so it must be the coil. I'll go and have that checked out now.
> Thanks,
> Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
>
> Jim Cannon wrote:
>
> > You need to have a shop check the coil output voltage with an engine
> > analyser. It looks like an oscilloscope. They need to check it at
> you
> > higher rpm.
> >
> > Have you had the catalytic converter check yet? Most muffler shops
> that
> > replace them will check them for excess backpressure for free (in
> hopes of
> > selling you a new one). It is also possible that the muffler has
> collapsed
> > internally and partially plugged (less common).
> >
> > At 08:31 03/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >What should the voltage out be? And how do I check this? (other
> than
> > >grabbing it with my teeth : ) )
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
> > >
> > >Jim Cannon wrote:
> > >
> > >> Check coil voltage out.
> > >>
> > >> Check for plugged cat.
> > >>
> >
> > Jim Cannon
> > Houston, TX
> > '29 Ford Model A Phaeton
> > '63 Buick Riviera
> > '80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: bill jiminez
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Holley Carb Dealers

How yall doing,
I have been looking for a Holley 4160 series 4 barallel caburator, with
autochoke rated at 465 cfm. I live in Klamath Falls, OR. and am
limited on companies I can go with locally to order them through. I
can go through Napa or Shucks but have been hesitating doing so because
of some bad experiences in the past. Does anyone have any
recommendations for Holley dealers either local or on the internet with
competitive prices? Or even someone that has one to sell? The reason
why I am looking is that I just ordered a set of headers and a new
intake through clifford for my 300 I6 and they recommended that carb to
top it off.

Thanks in advance,

Bill Jiminez
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:51:40 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Holley Carb Dealers

Bill:

Try the people at Performance Automotive Warehouse (in California)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pawinc.com

They don't have catalog info on their web site yet, but they do have the
largest collection of performance parts I've seen in one catalog. It's a
1200 page catalog, and well worth the $5.95 it took to get it.

Of course, you could always contact Holley directly, or search their web
site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com

Good luck...

Todd

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I have been looking for a Holley 4160 series 4 barallel caburator, with
autochoke rated at 465 cfm.


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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:47:24 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

Gang,
I am having a problem with the headlights on my truck. After running the
headlights for a short period of time, the headlights start to flicker on and
off, no other running lights or tail lights, just the headlight beams
themselves. I have checked for loose wires and ground outs, I have also
checked for possible relays that could be bad, but I cant find any relays in
the harnesses. Besides I figure that if it was a relay, ALL the lights
connected to the switch and it would be flashing, not JUST the headlights. I
am at my wits end with this problem. I have tried all I could before coming
to the list....HELP!!!
I am also having a problem with my airbag light flashing in the dash. It is
flashing a 32 code if that means anything, in conjunction with this, my
cruise has stopped working also.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:57:17 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

that happened to me with an old Mercury wagon ( like a 73) and it was the
headliught switch it was popping something internally hope that helps
Bob
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:41:07 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

>Gang,
>I am having a problem with the headlights on my truck. After running the
>headlights for a short period of time, the headlights start to flicker on and
>off, no other running lights or tail lights, just the headlight beams
>themselves. I have checked for loose wires and ground outs, I have also
>checked for possible relays that could be bad, but I cant find any relays in
>the harnesses. Besides I figure that if it was a relay, ALL the lights
>connected to the switch and it would be flashing, not JUST the headlights. I
>am at my wits end with this problem. I have tried all I could before coming
>to the list....HELP!!!
>I am also having a problem with my airbag light flashing in the dash. It is
>flashing a 32 code if that means anything, in conjunction with this, my
>cruise has stopped working also.

There is a short somewhere and the breaker on the switch is tripping on and
off.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:11:00 CDT
From: mike medina
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

Im so glad you emaild about your problem i have a 82 f-150 and i have had
the exact to the T problem it does it worse when i use the high beams so now
at least i no im not going crazy and seeing things so i guess i will replace
the switch.


>From: FLR150 aol.com
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com, perf-list ford-trucks.com,
>LIGHTNING-L american.edu (Ford Lightning Discussion List)
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking
>Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:47:24 EDT
>
>Gang,
>I am having a problem with the headlights on my truck. After running the
>headlights for a short period of time, the headlights start to flicker on
>and
>off, no other running lights or tail lights, just the headlight beams
>themselves. I have checked for loose wires and ground outs, I have also
>checked for possible relays that could be bad, but I cant find any relays
>in
>the harnesses. Besides I figure that if it was a relay, ALL the lights
>connected to the switch and it would be flashing, not JUST the headlights.
>I
>am at my wits end with this problem. I have tried all I could before coming
>to the list....HELP!!!
>I am also having a problem with my airbag light flashing in the dash. It is
>flashing a 32 code if that means anything, in conjunction with this, my
>cruise has stopped working also.
>Later
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside SC
>"Hazardous Material"
> Wayne's Page
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:02:09 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - headlights blinking

>Im so glad you emaild about your problem i have a 82 f-150 and i have had
>the exact to the T problem it does it worse when i use the high beams so now
>at least i no im not going crazy and seeing things so i guess i will replace
>the switch.
>
\
Most likely you have a short and your switch is just doing what it is
supposed to do. Look for a bare or pinched wire. Since your high beams are
doing it, look somewhere between your dimmer switch and the bulbs.....


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