80-96-list-digest Tuesday, June 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 160



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - ATG Interceptor users-Question
FTE 80-96 - Keyless Entry Question 95 Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year
FTE 80-96 - Closed Knuckle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?
FTE 80-96 - 89 351 surge problem, maybe solved?
FTE 80-96 - The color of spark
Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)
Re: FTE 80-96 - The color of spark
FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91
Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91
Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91
FTE 80-96 - Re: 84 f250 hesitation problem
FTE 80-96 - Re:
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough and high idle
FTE 80-96 - '89 351 Surge Update, FIXED!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 84 f250 hesitation problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year
Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)
Re: FTE 80-96 - The color of spark
FTE 80-96 - Camshaft advice

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:10:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Foye
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ATG Interceptor users-Question

I have a 97 f350 CC PSD with the E40D tranny - I know
I could post to the 97 and up.

Question for you with the ATG Interceptors.
I bought one last week and installed it but, according
to the instructions it requires that you install a
line pressure guage and then adjust the Line Pressure
potentionimeter to reach 300 PSI, well I don't have
one and just set both the Line pressure and the Torque
Converter settings to about 1/2 way.
Well, I used the truck without a load and found that
it was shifting much nicer but, when I had a load,
aprox. 4000lbs boat, I found that it would shift
nicely on the flats and the rpms seemed to be about
200 lower at 65mph, as soon as I hit the hills the
thing had trouble keeping speed, something I didn't
have a problem with prior to the installation.

So, here is my question, since I don't have a line
pressure guage, at about what setting are both of the
potentionimeters set at? All I'm looking to do is to
improve the shifting, without the interceptor I would
occasionally get a really hard shift into 3rd.

Also, I'm not too sure what to adjust according to the
way the truck reacts. Example if it's shifting at too
high an rpm do I increase the Line Pressure pot, or
lower it?

Also, with the Torque converter lockup, again not too
sure. Is the torque converter lockup the point at
which the tranny catches after a shift? And if so,
would increasing it cause it to lock up earlier or
later? What would be the indeal lockup?

I know I should have researched this more but, I
thought it would have been just install and go.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Chris
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:56:47 -0700
From: "Matt Tobin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Keyless Entry Question 95 Bronco

Does anyone have the bulletin on how to setup a new Ford keyless transmitter
on a 95 Bronco? I did it for my Taurus, and it was really easy, involving
only jumpering a connector, switching ignition on/off and pushing a button
on the transmitter. I need to know the proper order of things and WHERE the
connector is located. Any help out there?
Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year

As far as I can tell it had enclosed u-joints. I would love to find a
highboy ford. My friends sits about 4 iches higher than mine (both
stock) I have seen a late 80's beat up crew cab with a solid front
axle, and the linkages seem to be really similar, so I am going to try
and track down the owner. Anybody have any ideas on which years are
easiest to swap? I am guessing if I could find a 80-? one tone, that
most of the front end would be pretty similar. Did the solid front
axles use the inverse arch setup, or did they have regular arch
springs?

thanks

>>>>
Do you mean the axle has enclosed u-joints? Not sure when they used
them-
probably up to late 60s.

I think it would be great to put a solid axle in a later F-250. I would
definately use the arched springs from the old one- you don't want it
too
low do you? Those pre-78 highwalker Fords were nice trucks. The
steering
linkage may take some figurin.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:06:13 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Closed Knuckle

"it had a big ball fitting (don't know what >it is. What year did ford
go to putting open spindles on the solid >front axle? "

I had a 75 F-250 4x4 W/drum brake closed knuckle Dana 44.I would not
recomend swapping that particular front end into anything.Go with the
open knuckle 44 or 60.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:50:27 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?

>From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?
>
>I have a l987 150XLT.
>snip
>I need the towing abilities of an F250. I have heard I
>could put a 250 rearend axle and all under my frame.
> What would I do to upgrade the front end if possible.
>I need to tow 7000 lbs.
>snip
>I would rather spend money on what I have if it
> will work. Thanks for any input anyone can give me.

Yo Jerome:

When you say you need to tow 7K lbs, do you mean on the back of the truck or
behind the truck in a trailer? Those are different applications w/ different
requirements. If you're going to tow a trailer, you could probably get away w/
mostly a brake upgrade. If you want to carry that weight on the truck, then
you'll need suspension, axles, and brakes to handle the weight safely.

I'm not sure about the front end on a 4x2 truck, but I know you can't
interchange the 4x4 front end between the F150 and the heavier trucks. To
upgrade to F250 running gear, you may need to swap the transmission as well,
since some F150s used lighter duty trannies than the F250/350 trucks.

The frame on the F250/350 is heavier and stronger than the F150 frame. Even if
you swapped out the running gear for heavier stuff, you still wouldn't have the
durability of the F250. If you're going to work it hard, that heavy duty
durability will make the difference between falling apart and holding up to the
wear and tear of heavy work.

IMHO, if you're serious about the need to haul, you should get a truck designed
to do what you want. Otherwise, I'm afraid you'll end up trashing the truck
you've got now.

>From: A4T1RAT aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?
>
>every thing form a 87 and up f-250 will basickly
> bolt right in to a f-150 with no prob.even f-350
>is a bolt in so you could bolt in the rear end and
>ft susp from either with out much prob the only
>thing you will have to watch is drive shafts/u-joints
>and tie rod end size on the ft. susp.

This might be true for the 4x2 trucks, but I wouldn't bet on it. The 4x4
F250/350 uses a leaf spring front suspension and it is not a "bolt-on"
replacement for the F150 coil-sprung front end. Again, the frames are different
and the F150 frame doesn't even have the same front crossmember as the heavier
trucks. The front suspension mounting points are completely different on 4x4
F150s and F250/350s and the TTB axle housings (F150 & F250) will not
interchange.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:12:57 -0700
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 351 surge problem, maybe solved?

Just a quick update and thanks to all that responded.
I took the truck in this AM to the dealer so they could diagnose the
problem.
According to them, the whole problem is the Fuel Pressure Regulator. It
needs to be at 21 lbs. and is running at over 100 lbs.! They wanted $275
for the diagnose, part and install. I found the part for $64 and paid $90
for the diagnosis. I'll pick up the part tonite and put it in, check the
pressure, and report back on how it is.

Thanks!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:18:20 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - The color of spark

Hello list people, I have another question for you guys. What is the color
of good ignition spark? I was told that a person could identify weak spark
by the color. If this is true, What color is weak vs. good spark? Thanks
guys!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:35:45 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)

I agree use the cab numbers because the cops will look in the windshield or
the door pillar to see if the numbers on the registration match if you get
pulled over. I would make sure that i keep the title for the chassis though
just in case some cop who decides to make a traffic stop difficult for you
and says you got a stolen truck.
Just for the heck of it though here in NY state you can visit a State trooper
barracks with all your paperwork and they will reassign a new VIN number once
you can prove that the truck is all yours ( show them the titles signed over
to you for the chassis and the truck body) then that becomes the official VIN
number for the truck eliminating both the old VIN numbers
Bob
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 18:37:42 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - The color of spark

good spark is Blue bad spark is yellow or worse yet none at all
Bob
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:52:14 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91

I know I am a little lazy in not looking after work, but I was wondering
if anyone knows how to remove the plastic wood trim stuff in order to
get to the radio.
Does it pop out (I doubt it), or are there hidden screws?
I just got this Bronco recently, and it sure seems less obvious than the
79 I was used to working on.

Thanks, Paul Gayda
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:02:21 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91

it slides out if its like my F250.. the clips sort of hold it in but they
come off with a little pressure on em
Bob
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:03:58 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91

The trim piece is just clipped in so all it takes is some careful prying and
it pops off, piece of cake.

Rade
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Changing the radio '91


>I know I am a little lazy in not looking after work, but I was wondering
>if anyone knows how to remove the plastic wood trim stuff in order to
>get to the radio.
>Does it pop out (I doubt it), or are there hidden screws?
>I just got this Bronco recently, and it sure seems less obvious than the
>79 I was used to working on.
>
>Thanks, Paul Gayda
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:30:40 MDT
From: Micah Bogage
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 84 f250 hesitation problem

hey

i have a 84f250 with the 351 and i am having a pain of a problem. i am
having hesitation at random times. the truck is fairly new for me. at first
i thought that it was dirt in the gas. now it has a new fuel filter and it
still happens. i checked the pressure of the fuel pump it was higher than it
needs to be.

i just changed the accelerator pump and fuel enrichment valve and i have not
had any luck. i thought that maybe someone has had this problem before.

i also changed the plugs,wires, cap and rotor. i am about ready to take it
to someone but i would like solve this on my own.

micah


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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:40:11 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

On 4 Jun 99, at 13:04, David W wrote:

>a slick surface, because any pedal pressure high enough to slow you down
>quick with the front tires is going to be sending the rear into a lockup.
>Trust me.

Well, that's a given. But then I've gotten accustommed to my truck
and know what it's capabilities are and how hard I can push the
pedal before the back wheels start sliding. I have an '84 which was
way the hell before they even thought of ABS. I have driven one of
those new fangled Fords that do have the ABS and I hate it! I am
perfectly capable of managing the brake pedal myself, even during
panic stops (yes I have had to do that a few times with all these
white heads runnin' around this part of Florida).

>I would love it if I had 4 wheel ABS. You dont ever need to worry about
>pumping the pedal, or locking up. Something bad happens you just STOMP
>on that bad boy for all you can push and let the computer pump the pedal
>faster than any human ever could. Its a godsend in ice or snow too!

That's possibly a good point, we do have what they call Florida ice
down here from time to time. This is where the roads are saturated
with oil and we get just enough rain to bring it all to the surface.
Lord help 'ya if 'ya need to make any kind of panic stops or quick
lane changes, cause 'ya is in for the ride of your life if you aren't
careful.

You might be a redneck if... Your first words were 'Mom get
me a beer! - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:50:42 EDT
From: RNS52 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough and high idle

In response to Andy Norris' question:

I have an 89 F150 w/ the 351. I have the exact same problem that you
described w/ your being too high. I have read some of the responses that
people have given you. I replaced the idle air control motor (IAC motor=$95)
and that did nothing. I have just recently replaced the intake manifold
gasket between the upper and lower halves and between the lower half and the
top of the engine block. That got rid of my vacuum leak but has done hardly
nothing for the racing idle. It is strange because sometimes it idles
fine--it is a Ford. However, I had my TPS checked out and it supposively is
fine, but I might check into that again. I wish I could be more help but I
figured that I would let you know what I have done and what hasn't worked for
me. If you figure it out, I would really like to know.

Thanks,
Matt Stroh
rns52 aol.com
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:14:19 -0700
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '89 351 Surge Update, FIXED!

Well, here's the facts...
I replaced the Fuel filter, 02 Sensor, all the spark plugs, cleaned the air
idle bypass valve, and had run 2 pints of Techron thru the system but still
had the surging idle and ultimately was blowing huge amounts of soot out the
pipe.
The Dealer diagnosed the problem as a bad Fuel Pressure Regulator, said mine
was allowing over a hundred Psi when it should be running somewhere around
21 Lbs. I bought the part, installed it, changed the oil and filter, and
started it up. It still blew a little soot, but after I took it out on the
freeway and opened it up a couple of times it now runs as it was supposed
to. So it seems the whole problem was the fuel pressure regulator!
Happy Truck, Happy Wife, Happy Kid, Happy Dad!

Thanks!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 23:16:32 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 84 f250 hesitation problem

Look for serious vacuum leaks. Manifold, carb mounting, brake booster hose,
PCV hose/valve, etc.

At 21:30 07/06/99 MDT, you wrote:
>i have a 84f250 with the 351 and i am having a pain of a problem. i am
>having hesitation at random times. the truck is fairly new for me. at first
>i thought that it was dirt in the gas. now it has a new fuel filter and it
>still happens. i checked the pressure of the fuel pump it was higher than it
>needs to be.
>
>i just changed the accelerator pump and fuel enrichment valve and i have not
>had any luck. i thought that maybe someone has had this problem before.
>
>i also changed the plugs,wires, cap and rotor. i am about ready to take it
>to someone but i would like solve this on my own.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:19:22 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Solid front axle, what year

>As far as I can tell it had enclosed u-joints. I would love to find a
>highboy ford. My friends sits about 4 iches higher than mine (both
>stock) I have seen a late 80's beat up crew cab with a solid front
>axle, and the linkages seem to be really similar, so I am going to try
>and track down the owner. Anybody have any ideas on which years are
>easiest to swap? I am guessing if I could find a 80-? one tone, that
>most of the front end would be pretty similar. Did the solid front
>axles use the inverse arch setup, or did they have regular arch
>springs?
>

I believe they are positive arched. Some of the stock F-350s are as high as
the highboys.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:21:57 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)

>I agree use the cab numbers because the cops will look in the windshield or
>the door pillar to see if the numbers on the registration match if you get
>pulled over. I would make sure that i keep the title for the chassis though
>just in case some cop who decides to make a traffic stop difficult for you
>and says you got a stolen truck.
>Just for the heck of it though here in NY state you can visit a State trooper
>barracks with all your paperwork and they will reassign a new VIN number once
>you can prove that the truck is all yours ( show them the titles signed over
>to you for the chassis and the truck body) then that becomes the official VIN
>number for the truck eliminating both the old VIN numbers
>Bob

Ohio will do that for you too.



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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:23:12 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - The color of spark

>Hello list people, I have another question for you guys. What is the color
>of good ignition spark? I was told that a person could identify weak spark
>by the color. If this is true, What color is weak vs. good spark? Thanks
>guys!
>

A good spark hurts. A bad sparks hurts a little less.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:33:40 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Camshaft advice

Since my 88 F-150 w/302 is leaking oil and getting a little tired with
134,000 miles on her, I'm gonna pull the top end down.

I ran a compression test and I have between 165 psi and 170 psi on all
cylinders so I don't think I need rings, and since the oil pressure is 45 -
55 psi the bearings should be good, so I will leave the bottom end alone.

I'm gonna pull the heads and do a valve job, put in a new roller timing
chain and check out the cam and the cylinder condition.

Does anyone know the specs of the stock 302 cam? Any experience with....


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