80-96-list-digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 159



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough and high idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)
Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps
Re: FTE 80-96 - ? about thermostats and temps
Re: FTE 80-96 - website
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving
Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)
FTE 80-96 - 76-79
Re: FTE 80-96 - solid front axle, what year?
FTE 80-96 - Re: rear antilock

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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:57:26 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving

You need to have a shop check the coil output voltage with an engine
analyser. It looks like an oscilloscope. They need to check it at you
higher rpm.

Have you had the catalytic converter check yet? Most muffler shops that
replace them will check them for excess backpressure for free (in hopes of
selling you a new one). It is also possible that the muffler has collapsed
internally and partially plugged (less common).

At 08:31 03/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
>What should the voltage out be? And how do I check this? (other than
>grabbing it with my teeth : ) )
>Thanks,
>Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
>
>Jim Cannon wrote:
>
>> Check coil voltage out.
>>
>> Check for plugged cat.
>>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:05:49 PDT
From: Jimmy Butler
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving

The entire exhaust system was changed about a month ago, so it's relatively
new.

The truck runs fine, its just that it won't switch tanks. How would the coil
affect the tank switch?

Thanks for the help, I need it!!!!


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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:27:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?

I have a l987 150XLT. I own it clear title. It is in imaculate condition
for its year. I need the towing abilities of an F250. I have heard I
could put a 250 rearend axle
and all under my frame. What would I do
to upgrade the front end if possible. I need to tow 7000 lbs. F250's
around here
seem to be blessed. They can go as high
as ten thousand for one in good shape and a good drive train. I would
rather spend money on what I have if it will work. Thanks for any input
anyone can give me.




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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:09:11 -0500
From: Keith
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough and high idle

Well I ended up pulling the throttle body. Good thing too. I replaced the
TPS but the real fix was a can of Gumout carb cleaner a brush an elbow
grease. Crud had built up behind the brass butterflies to point that they
could not close properly even though they looked like they were. Same effect
as setting the idle real high as far as the TPS is concerned. The output
from the TPS with the butterflies closed is 1V now as it should be and the
truck idles correctly. HTH Keith Smith
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Andy Norris wrote: My 89 F250 351 is idling somewhere around 1500 rpm.
Sometimes when I shift into neutral or park it rockets to nearly 3000 rpm!
It puts strain on the brakes when stopping from highway speeds, and I don't
want to shift to neutral for fear of how high the idle might go. After
starting cold, it will sound like it's trying not to die, going from about
500 to 1700 rpm.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My 86 F150 302 is doing the same thing. Tonight or tomorrow morning I am
going to replace the throttle position sensor ($30). It reads 2.2v at no
throttle to 5v at full throttle when I moved the throttle cable by hand key
on engine off - should be ~ 1v & 5v. Hope I don't have to pull the throttle
body to get to the dang thing! I'll post if it fixes the problem or not.
Keith Smith
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:45:35 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving

I went yesterday and had the muffler replaced. They said the cats ( I can't
figure why Ford has 2 cats on my truck ) look fine, and aren't coming apart,
so it must be the coil. I'll go and have that checked out now.
Thanks,
Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302

Jim Cannon wrote:

> You need to have a shop check the coil output voltage with an engine
> analyser. It looks like an oscilloscope. They need to check it at you
> higher rpm.
>
> Have you had the catalytic converter check yet? Most muffler shops that
> replace them will check them for excess backpressure for free (in hopes of
> selling you a new one). It is also possible that the muffler has collapsed
> internally and partially plugged (less common).
>
> At 08:31 03/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >What should the voltage out be? And how do I check this? (other than
> >grabbing it with my teeth : ) )
> >Thanks,
> >Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
> >
> >Jim Cannon wrote:
> >
> >> Check coil voltage out.
> >>
> >> Check for plugged cat.
> >>
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton
> '63 Buick Riviera
> '80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:41:53 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)

batman posted:
>>.... and it's got
>>what the guy said as a 360 cu in, the valve covers are marked
Mercury...
>>but he said that it's the same as a 352,390....

This is a question for the 61-79 list, but I'll take a stab. It's an FE
big block (easily identified: the intake manifold extends under the valve
covers and forms part of the valve cover mating surface). FE's are all
externally similar, from the first Edsel 332 to the legendary 428 Super
Cobra Jet, but inside they are the original modular V8. Your friend's FE
could be any of a large variety of things. Measure the bore and stroke
to be sure. A few likely possibilities: it could be a 360, which is a
390 block with a 352 crank. AFAIK it was used exclusively in trucks,
which would not explain the Merc valve covers (Mercury sold trucks in
Canada, but I think that was before the 360 was developed). It could be
a 352, which would make the motor much older than the rest of the truck.
It could be a 390, which is the most common FE displacement. The 390
uses a longer stroke than the 352/360. OR... (cross your fingers) it
COULD be a 410 Merc. The 410 was used in Mercuries and Lincolns, and
used a 390 block and a long stroke 428 crank. If it's a 410, a date with
your favorite machinist and a moderate infusion of cash could get you
into a 428. OTOH, it could be some weird hybrid somebody built under a
shady tree. I suggest that you get some casting numbers, measure the
bore and stroke if you can, and post them to the 61-79 list or to me
personally if you want more info.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 FE
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:21:28 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps

Nope Trucks got new wires and plugs it also has a hyperchip which takes care
of the firing and it only does it on real hot days especially when i have the
air on....SO it must be under hood temps sucking in that hot air thats the
only thing i can come up with....Cause even today it ws a lil cooler and i
towed home my 3500lbs bass boat with tandem axles and not one lil ping out of
her...go figure.......................ding
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:25:05 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ? about thermostats and temps

Really your happy with your superchip ....I have the hyper chip and i
did have to install a lower thermostat to keep it from pinging to death but
other than that i have to run 92 octane and i don't know its not real
impressive it did a lil but nothing really worth $250........ding
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:31:59 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - website

Hit this link..I tried it on my IE4 and it worked great.
Wayne's Page
Later,
Wayne
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:07:36 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can it be done?

every thing form a 87 and up f-250 will basickly bolt right in to a f-150
with no prob.even f-350 is a bolt in so you could bolt in the rear end and ft
susp from either with out much prob the only thing you will have to watch is
drive shafts/u-joints and tie rod end size on the ft. susp.
Rat
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:18:24 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving

I think you got my reply to another guy's question confused with your
question. If you have problems switching tanks, check the in-tank fule pump
of the tank she won't run on. Also check the fuel selector valve underneath
mounted on frame. Simple change out there may fix it. If multiple fuel
filters, change them of not real new.

At 10:05 06/06/99 PDT, you wrote:
>The entire exhaust system was changed about a month ago, so it's relatively
>new.
>
>The truck runs fine, its just that it won't switch tanks. How would the coil
>affect the tank switch?
>
>Thanks for the help, I need it!!!!
>
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:46:21 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old engine ID (was: brake prob....)

I had a 390 in a 72 F-350 and really loved it. Lots of torque- seemed to
have a lot more than a 400.

As far as what numbers to use, I would probably use the cab numbers if they
are the year you want as they are easiest to find. Here in Ohio, finding
numbers stamped on a frame that has been through some salty winters is
almost a joke.

Blake

>batman posted:
>>>.... and it's got
>>>what the guy said as a 360 cu in, the valve covers are marked
>Mercury...
>>>but he said that it's the same as a 352,390....
>
>This is a question for the 61-79 list, but I'll take a stab. It's an FE
>big block (easily identified: the intake manifold extends under the valve
>covers and forms part of the valve cover mating surface). FE's are all
>externally similar, from the first Edsel 332 to the legendary 428 Super
>Cobra Jet, but inside they are the original modular V8. Your friend's FE
>could be any of a large variety of things. Measure the bore and stroke
>to be sure. A few likely possibilities: it could be a 360, which is a
>390 block with a 352 crank. AFAIK it was used exclusively in trucks,
>which would not explain the Merc valve covers (Mercury sold trucks in
>Canada, but I think that was before the 360 was developed). It could be
>a 352, which would make the motor much older than the rest of the truck.
>It could be a 390, which is the most common FE displacement. The 390
>uses a longer stroke than the 352/360. OR... (cross your fingers) it
>COULD be a 410 Merc. The 410 was used in Mercuries and Lincolns, and
>used a 390 block and a long stroke 428 crank. If it's a 410, a date with
>your favorite machinist and a moderate infusion of cash could get you
>into a 428. OTOH, it could be some weird hybrid somebody built under a
>shady tree. I suggest that you get some casting numbers, measure the
>bore and stroke if you can, and post them to the 61-79 list or to me
>personally if you want more info.
>
>lordjanusz juno.com
>'94 F150 300ci
>'73 F100 FE
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 00:49:43 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 76-79

Question 1, which Title should he use to title this, the frame or the
cab ?

At the very least a title for the cab.


Question 2...... The brakes act funny, by that I mean, when you press on
them, they go to the floor. You can pump them, build up pressure, and
they work ok, until you go to stop again... then it goes to the floor!

Bleed them for staters.

and it's got
what the guy said as a 360 cu in, the valve covers are marked Mercury...
but he said that it's the same as a 352,390....

FE engines are externaly alike,but the 360 is a truck only engine.
Could be any thing from a 331 to a 428
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:52:18 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - solid front axle, what year?

>I found an old F250 yesterday, but the front axle didn't look like it
>would swap into mine. The steering linkage was outbound of the frame,
>and at each end of the axle, it had a big ball fitting (don't know what
>it is. What year did ford go to putting open spindles on the solid
>front axle? Or does anybody else out there know which years are fairly
>straight forward to swap out with a dana 44 TTB? My friend is getting
>rid of a 76 F-250, it runs ok, but if I can snag it, I will part it
>out. As far as I can tell, the swap would go ok. What about the front
>leafs? Would I need to get rid of the inverse arch and get some normal
>arch springs?

Casey,

Do you mean the axle has enclosed u-joints? Not sure when they used them-
probably up to late 60s.

I think it would be great to put a solid axle in a later F-250. I would
definately use the arched springs from the old one- you don't want it too
low do you? Those pre-78 highwalker Fords were nice trucks. The steering
linkage may take some figurin.


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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:54:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: rear antilock

>The original question was posted about a week ago, a gentleman
>was having trouble with his rear end and wanted to know about
>switching to a rear end without ABS vs. $500 rebuild.
>
>Someone said:
>
>#If your 88 has only anti-lock rear brakes I think you will like it better
>#without them working.
>#
>#I believe all that will happen is your dash light will remain on. That can
>#be fixed by either removing the bulb or replacing it with a burned out one.
>
>If you have ever driven a vehicle with and without ABS, you would NOT
>EVER want a truck without REAR ABS. I carry a slide-in camper most
>of the time so my rear ABS is not as big an issue. But if you do not have
>a lot of pounds in the bed all the time (like, say TWO THOUSAND or so)
>then you will be hating life big time if you need those brakes in a turn or
>on
>a slick surface, because any pedal pressure high enough to slow you down
>quick with the front tires is going to be sending the rear into a lockup.
>Trust
>me.
>
>I would love it if I had 4 wheel ABS. You dont ever need to worry about
>pumping the pedal, or locking up. Something bad happens you just STOMP
>on that bad boy for all you can push and let the computer pump the pedal
>faster than any human ever could. Its a godsend in ice or snow too!
>

I HAVE rear antilock that works on some trucks and some that don't - the
ones that work are a pain and sometimes you almost can't stop it. I much
prefer without.

Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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