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80-96-list-digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 155 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Advice Needed FTE 80-96 - Another EFI dilemma RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? FTE 80-96 - RE: 89 E250 WONT START Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed FTE 80-96 - Opinion: 1984 F250 Diesel Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed Re: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? FTE 80-96 - Diesel TPS Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho suspension on a '93 Bronco RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed Re: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? Re: FTE 80-96 - Opinion: 1984 F250 Diesel Re: FTE 80-96 - Another EFI dilemma FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L RE: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L FTE 80-96 - '84 AOD FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings Re: FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings FTE 80-96 - Steering Linkage FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho suspension on a '93 Bronco Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L RE: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 89 E250 WONT START Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - '84 AOD Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine Re: FTE 80-96 - hard starting Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: A question about old Fords RE: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Re: FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L FTE 80-96 - 6.9 Banks Diesel ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:08:24 -0700 From: Vogt Family Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Advice Needed On Tue, 01 Jun 1999, "Ed Greenberg" wrote: > > I'm newly subscribed to your list, hoping to pick up some pointers on buying > a used F250 or F350 for RV towing. I'd like a diesel for fuel economy and > engine life. > > I've been warned to look for the Harvester (Navstar) diesel, not the older > Ford Diesel. Nonetheless, I don't want to buy a very late model truck, for > cost reasons. > > My basic requirements are: Good F250/F350 diesel, mileage appropriate to age > (maybe 10-12k per year). Navstar Diesel. Trailer Package. Automagic > transmission. Cruise Control. Desirable: Extended cab, cap or tonneau cover. > > So, can somebody tell me what the cutoff age is where I can expect to find > the newer Navstar diesels rather than the older Ford diesels? You have been misinformed by your source. All diesels in Ford trucks (except some weird 4 cylinder back in the very olden days) are made by International. There is nothing inherently wrong with any of them, except some people claim that they need a coolant additive called DCA4 I believe, available from International dealers. The confusion stems from the fact that International sold their Harvester division to Case tractor in the late 80s/early 90s and began using the name "Navistar" on both their engines and trucks. But enough of that, about the engine: in the early 80s it was born as the 6.9 liter, a stout engine but no fireball. This is what I have. It was '87 or '88 I believe when it was bored out to 7.3 liter and International changed the electrics over to solid state mostly, and simplified the external fuel plumbing a little bit, but it was basically the same. In '94 Ford began to phase out this engine replacing it with the "Powerstroke" which is also 7.3 liters but doesn't share much else but that. The Powerstroke is turbocharged which is a dead giveaway and also does away with the mechanical distributor style injection pump, replacing it with Cat-style HEUI (electrically/hydraulically operated combination injector/fuel pumps basically, one on each cylinder) and full electronic controls for the engine and transmission, if automatic. So your choice is these three engines depending on what year you pick, as usual, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go? As far as the transmission goes, that is another story. You basically have two choices, the C6 which is a '60s era design 3 speed, strong and reliable, or the electronic E4OD, based on the C6 in the early '90s and also has many strong parts but a lot of nagging problems. You should probably make a separate inquiry on transmssion selection. Sorry for the long winded post, but I think (hope) that most of it will be useful to somebody. Birken == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:39:38 -0400 From: Mark_Halpain ingerrand.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another EFI dilemma Bob Kennedy, Got the Ford running again. It was the coil. Mark Halpain == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:17:18 -0400 From: "Ratcliff, Dale" Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed I currently have a 92 F150 SC and need to upgrade to a CC. I tow a 5th wheel camper at times. I was considering a diesel but was reading that the fuel grows algae if left too long. I may go as long as a month between fill ups. Is this long enough to cause trouble? I also believe the maintenance costs are higher for a diesel but are made up in mileage and longevity. Any recommendations? Dale Ratcliff Email : dratc Telxon.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:19:09 +0200 From: FXL Subject: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? Hi gang! 91 F250 7.3 DSL. When I start in the mornings it misfires a couple of times. Then its OK for the rest of the day. What is the right resistance for the glowplugs? Gunnar Sweden == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:25:53 -0500 From: Roger Lane Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 89 E250 WONT START Original Message: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:37:18 EDT From: JSC721 aol.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 E250 WONT START Hey Fellas, I have an 89 e250 with a 300 6cyl. engine. I was out working today with my truck and she just dropped dead on me while crossing a major highway.It would not start no spark, i tapped on the coil and she started. she ran a little then dropped dead again. I replaced the coil, no good. I am getting fuel but intermitent spark. I replaced the distributor ignition module, and still nothing. checked cap, rotor, wires all ok. Would the pickup coil stop it from starting? I checked it after it got dark and had to leave my truck in a parking lot 1 hour away, and I had no spark from the coil wire. just 1 spark when I turned the key on and none when cranking. Maybe a broken wire in the harness that goes to the coil? I am going to fix that truck tomm. Any info would be a great help. I have just run out of ideas. Thanks. Joe Hey Joe, Check the ignition pick-up in the dist. itself. I had a very similar problem on an 84 F-150 with the 300-6. I tried several different things until I found the pick-up was bad. The truck had ~90k miles and the ignition pick-up was the factory piece. Roger Lane Test/Support Analyst IBP, Inc. Roger.Lane ibpinc.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:38:07 -0400 From: Mike Sloane Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed If it were me, I would use a F250 for that kind of towing. But as far as the fuel growing algae, I have had fuel go for as long as two or three years in a Cat grader with no problem - if you are concerned, there are all kinds of "fuel conditioners" available that will prevent algae growth. And yes, you do have to change the oil and filters a little more often with a diesel, but you don't have all those complex computer chip and ignition problems either. And never forget that the diesel engines are not as quiet as gasoline engines, especially in trucks. All this discussion about diesel vs. gas is pretty subjective as far as non commercial use is concerned. I have Ford trucks with both, and I am not convinced that there is any clear advantage of one over the other. You certainly pay a steep premium up front for a diesel engine, and you have to factor that into any potential cost savings. And every so often, when the tanks are getting low, you will discover that there are a lot more gas pumps than diesel pumps out on the highway and in town. Some people,. however, just like the diesel rattle and goosing the throttle at stoplights. (-: Mike "Ratcliff, Dale" wrote: > I currently have a 92 F150 SC and need to upgrade to a CC. I tow a 5th wheel > camper at times. I was considering a diesel but was reading that the fuel > grows algae if left too long. I may go as long as a month between fill ups. > Is this long enough to cause trouble? I also believe the maintenance costs > are higher for a diesel but are made up in mileage and longevity. Any > recommendations? > > Dale Ratcliff > Email : dratc Telxon.com > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:24:30 PDT From: "Ed Greenberg" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Opinion: 1984 F250 Diesel In line with my earlier posting about Ford Diesels, what do you think about a 1984 F250 with 171,000 miles on it? It's a pretty basic truck. Has a standard cab, a cap, cruise control, PS, PB, no Power Windows or doors. Trailer package and hitch receiver. Sell will probably take between $4k and $5k. If it passes mechanical inspection, could I tow an 8,000 pound trailer with it and expect to get three or four years good service? Any gotchas? Also, what should I look for when examining it? Thanks for the good advice, _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:53:42 -0500 From: "James Petty" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed Great info... thanks for the page. >>> johny 06/01 7:51 PM >>> More extensive information can be found at : http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford -diesel.  com/ See the forums section. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:50:02 -0400 From: "thomas m bozek" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? I worked for a company that had a fleet of these, all we did was check the glow plugs for continuity. If it is open, then it is bad. Sometimes they won't start with only one burned out, and sometimes it will act just like yours. - ----- Original Message ----- From: FXL To: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? > Hi gang! > 91 F250 7.3 DSL. When I start in the mornings it misfires a couple of > times. Then its OK for the rest of the day. What is the right resistance > for the glowplugs? > Gunnar > Sweden > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:19:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar_Huse?= Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel TPS Guess what; the guy who hid the EGR on the gas engines was probably hired to make the diesel filter bracket on top of the diesels. To me it looks like the diesel filter, tubing and bracket needs to come off to access the torx or unbraco hex bolts which holds the TPS. Then to the real question: Do any of you have the specs for setting the TPS correct off the injection pump axle? (With my setup the TPS is set too low, resulting in erroneous signals to the transmission and non-locking of the TC at cruising pedal pressure)... Cheers from a hotel room in Svolvaer, Norway, way north of the Polar Circle. Regards, Bjornar == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bill jiminez Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho suspension on a '93 Bronco Hey Francisco, I have had a lot of good luck with my setup on my full size 84 XLT Bronco. I have a Skyjacker Series II 4" lift, along with quad Rancho RS9000 setup in the front and dual in the rear. Of course I have the compressor setup along with them and have had nothing but good experiences with them. I thought at first that it might have been too stiff of a ride with the quad shocks up front, but it balanced out very well. If you are going for a lift, stay away from blocks in the rear, I already cracked 2 in the rear, and the wheel hop was unbearable. I went with new leaves that added 4 inches in the rear and ditched the blocks. The wheel hop is gone, and the performance is much better in general. Hope this helped. Bill Jiminez - --- "Francisco J. Pance" wrote: > Hello Everybody: > > Has anyone had any experience installing a full > Rancho suspension sys > (with quad shocks up front & dash-mounted control) > on a late model > Bronc? > Are these suspensions any good? > I'd appreciate any comments & info on the topic. > > Thanx a bunch, > > Frank > linguacorp true.net > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:27:25 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Advice Needed >I currently have a 92 F150 SC and need to upgrade to a CC. I tow a 5th wheel >camper at times. I was considering a diesel but was reading that the fuel >grows algae if left too long. I may go as long as a month between fill ups. >Is this long enough to cause trouble? I also believe the maintenance costs >are higher for a diesel but are made up in mileage and longevity. Any >recommendations? > >Dale Ratcliff >Email : dratc Telxon.com > That may be true in certain unusual situations. I have a 67 Mercedes 200D here that I took off the road almost 10 years ago due to rust. It still has the same fuel in it that was in it then and it starts and runs perfectly. I start it at least once a year and let her run awhile. I know of fuel that has been in tractors longer than that that are just fine. Certainly not like gasoline that goes bad in a year or less. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:30:46 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Glowplug resistance? >Hi gang! >91 F250 7.3 DSL. When I start in the mornings it misfires a couple of >times. Then its OK for the rest of the day. What is the right resistance >for the glowplugs? >Gunnar >Sweden >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Glowplugs have nothing to due with a misfire. They are only used in starting and that's it. If it is misfiring because it is cold there is probably nothing wrong. Otherwise, you probably have dirt in an injector nozzel, or the nozzel lift pressure is set wrong, or the pump is weak. I would not worry about it if it is only a couple minutes. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:33:35 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Opinion: 1984 F250 Diesel >In line with my earlier posting about Ford Diesels, what do you think about >a 1984 F250 with 171,000 miles on it? It's a pretty basic truck. Has a >standard cab, a cap, cruise control, PS, PB, no Power Windows or doors. >Trailer package and hitch receiver. Sell will probably take between $4k and >$5k. > >If it passes mechanical inspection, could I tow an 8,000 pound trailer with >it and expect to get three or four years good service? > >Any gotchas? > >Also, what should I look for when examining it? > >Thanks for the good advice, > See if it starts quickly when cold. Look for blue smoke- that is oil burning. Black smoke is ok as it is just normal diesel. If you can drive it under a load, try to smell blowby while pulling. I would not be afraid of those miles if it was cared for. Does it look like the guy took care of the rest of the truck? Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:05:02 -0700 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another EFI dilemma Good Deal, I haven't found my demon yet. I did check for a spark from the coil. I'm getting one, but is it too weak? Were you getting anything at all from the coil before you replaced it? Thanks, Bob Mark_Halpain ingerrand.com wrote: > Bob Kennedy, > Got the Ford running again. It was the coil. > > Mark Halpain > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:46:14 -0230 From: "T.Gill" Subject: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During warm weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying a load. The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling system flushed and filled in the fall. Changed the thermostat couple of days ago and had the cooling system pressure checked. No difference. To me it seems the fan doesn't 'roar' like it should when the engine is hot. Do these symptoms sound like a fan clutch problem or a radiator problem? How do you check a fan clutch? Thanks for your time. Trevor Gill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:06:14 -0400 From: Greg Carter Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Your fan clutch is gone. No roar no fan clutch. I replaced mine with the biggest one I could get (they are universal for most domestic v-8) only down side is that it never disengages but I would rather have a cool engine than a hot one. Great for slow going off road. I have the Canadian Tire part number at home, let me know and I'll send it to you if you want. The big one was about 100 bucks (CND). Bye. > ---------- > From: T.Gill[SMTP:t.gill nf.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 12:16 PM > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L > > I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During warm > weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying a > load. > The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling system > flushed and filled in the fall. Changed the thermostat couple of days ago > and had the cooling system pressure checked. No difference. To me it seems > the fan doesn't 'roar' like it should when the engine is hot. Do these > symptoms sound like a fan clutch problem or a radiator problem? How do you > check a fan clutch? Thanks for your time. > > Trevor Gill > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 13:40:23 -0500 From: Steve Randa Subject: FTE 80-96 - '84 AOD Just wondered what I could do, other than adjusting the TV rod, to get higher shifts. I'm O.K. with the 1-2 shift but the 3-4 is way to soon. I'm not sure that a shift kit would solve my problem. I've seen ads for valve bodies. What do they do and does it to apply to my AOD. Would a mild torque converter help with this. If I could get a hold of a later AOD what year is optimum. I've heard the OD bands are larger but don't know much else. Thanks. Steve Randa '84 F150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:42:13 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings Yo Gang: Do any of you guys have experience w/ polyurethane leaf spring bushings? That looks like my next truck project. I have sagging springs on the right side, including a broken leaf on the rear. I have a decent-looking complete set of used springs I picked up from a 1988 F250HD (along w/ both F&R sway bars) and I need to replace the bushings. The OEM rubber ones in the "new" springs look about as funky as the ones in my springs. I'm looking at two brands right now: Energy Suspension and Prothane. Know anything about them? Thanks for your help. Dave R (M-block devotee) P.S. I got some positive feedback from the guys on the 61-79 FTE list about the radiator manufacturer (GDI or Go/Dan Industries), so I went ahead and bought the 4-row unit. The price ($230) seemed really good. As for the fan, my stock fan was a 5-blade flex type. The fan I decided on is an Imperial (US made) 6-blade flex unit w/ slightly less pitch than the stock fan. Best thing about the aftermarket fan is it seems to be a tad lighter and balanced a little better than the stock fan. Now I have less vibration. Maybe my current "lifetime" water pump will last a little longer. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:16:34 -0500 From: Steve Randa Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings I went with the Energy Suspension pieces when I lowered my truck. My rear tires are close so I wanted to make things as rigid as I could. I personally couldn't feel much of a difference in ride though. Steve Randa '84 F150 Dave Resch wrote: > > Yo Gang: > > Do any of you guys have experience w/ polyurethane leaf spring bushings? That > looks like my next truck project. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:21:19 -0700 From: Vogt Family Subject: FTE 80-96 - Steering Linkage Oops, realized I sent this to the wrong list. On my '86 F-250 2wd, the steering is quite loose. The linkage seems to be the culprit. What is everybody's favorite for replacement stuff? Also, incidentally, I had it on a rack and was greasing the kingpins with an air powered greaser when I noticed that when I applied grease to the top fittings I think it was, the wheel moved up. There is very little play rocking the tire top to bottom, I think it is all just in the bearings. Is this an acceptable situation or is it contributing to the problem? Birken == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:33:09 -0500 From: Edward Saunders Subject: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Hi, I have an 86 F-150, with a 302 in it. I recently rebuilt the motor and had it bored .040 over. I bought a new distributer, rotor, cap, wires, and put Bosch Platnum spark plugs in. The problem I'm having is that under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark and gas. It seems to be worse under load, thats why I changed out the ignition parts. To explain better when it happens I'll explain as if it has a 4 barrel carb (of course its fuel injected). It idles awesome, runs smooth, and accelerates fine if I'm accelerating slow and easy, as if I were only opening the throttle enough to open 2 butterflies. If I'm accelerating hard, or running along and go to pass or climb a hill, which would open all 4 butterflies, that's when it starts to sputter and bog down. I have recently replaced the high pressure fuel pump. I didn't replace the 2 in the tanks, because I assumed that if I'm getting gas at all they are working. I don't have a check engine light so I don't know if I'm getting any codes. Also on a different note. My truck has 15X6 inch rims. I recently bought 15X10 inch rims to accomodate the 32 11.50's. My old rims don't hit on my calipers, but the new ones do. Why is this? They are both 15 inches. Thanks, Ed Saunders 1986 F-150 302 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:41:46 -0500 From: Edward Saunders Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho suspension on a '93 Bronco Hi, I'm just curious where you got the rear leaf springs. I have an 86 F-150, and would like to replace the rear springs when I lift it. I'm having a hard time just trying to find the stock springs, without lift. I would like to kill two birds with one stone and just get the right springs, if you have any info on it. Thanks, Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302 bill jiminez wrote: > Hey Francisco, I have had a lot of good luck with my setup on my full > size 84 XLT Bronco. I have a Skyjacker Series II 4" lift, along with > quad Rancho RS9000 setup in the front and dual in the rear. Of course > I have the compressor setup along with them and have had nothing but > good experiences with them. I thought at first that it might have been > too stiff of a ride with the quad shocks up front, but it balanced out > very well. If you are going for a lift, stay away from blocks in the > rear, I already cracked 2 in the rear, and the wheel hop was > unbearable. I went with new leaves that added 4 inches in the rear and > ditched the blocks. The wheel hop is gone, and the performance is much > better in general. Hope this helped. > > Bill Jiminez > > --- "Francisco J. Pance" wrote: > > Hello Everybody: > > > > Has anyone had any experience installing a full > > Rancho suspension sys > > (with quad shocks up front & dash-mounted control) > > on a late model > > Bronc? > > Are these suspensions any good? > > I'd appreciate any comments & info on the topic. > > > > Thanx a bunch, > > > > Frank > > linguacorp true.net > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:14:05 -0400 From: S Spaulding Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Trevor, Regardless of the condition of the fan clutch, it will only impact low speed operation. There is sufficient air flow at high speeds to cool the radiator. Assuming that the outside of the radiator isn't blocked, it is much more likely that the problem is a result of poor heat transfer from the coolant to the radiator core. This would be from a buildup of scale (which acts as an insulator) on the inner surfaces, or from blockage in the tubes. At lower engine speeds, the coolant has more time to transfer its heat to the surface, so it is less of a problem. Flushing, in many cases, will not correct the scaling problem, so a replacement radiator is probably in order. One thing you can try is to lower the concentration of the coolant slightly. Water can transfer heat more quickly than any of the glycols. Don't go too far, though, and make sure your cap is holding pressure. Steve S. "T.Gill" wrote: > > I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During warm > weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying a load. > The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling system > flushed and filled in the fall. Changed the thermostat couple of days ago > and had the cooling system pressure checked. No difference. To me it seems > the fan doesn't 'roar' like it should when the engine is hot. Do these > symptoms sound like a fan clutch problem or a radiator problem? How do you > check a fan clutch? Thanks for your time. > > Trevor Gill > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:31:24 -0700 From: Eric Sneed Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L > -----Original Message----- > From:S Spaulding [SMTP:ss80xt worldnet.att.net] > Sent:Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:14 PM > To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com > Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L > > > > > "T.Gill" wrote: > > > > I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During > warm > > weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying > a load. > > The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling > system > > flushed and filled in the fall. Sometimes when you have the radiator flushed it will loosen up the scale and allow it to flow around the radiator and plug up elsewhere causing a partial block of the radiator(ask me how I know) which will only show up under certain conditions. Eric == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:59:03 EDT From: JSC721 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 89 E250 WONT START Thanks for the info guys. After a short night sleep I headed up to my truck to fix the problem. I started checking with my meters and found that I was not getting spark from the coil wire at the distributor. So, my target problem was the plug wires that connect to the coil. I went thru the harness up to the 4 plugs under the hood to find a loose connection. After I worked on the harness she started right up. wasted time and money for a iginition control module ( the coil was on warranty). But I got it fixed and brought my truck home. Joe p.s. The control mod was original with 186k on it, and probably would have failed anyway. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:19:42 -0400 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving > under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of > gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark Sounds like it could be the vacuum advance!? Make sure your hose to the distributor is in good shape and try to run it off the manifold vacuum instead of the carb vacuum. With all the smog stuff, you could have a plugged vacuum valve or temp valve in the vacuum system. Steve == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:22:38 -0400 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L You might want to try to lower your anti-freeze concentration and then add some "Water Wetter" from redline. It'll drop your temp by about 20 degrees. Also, make sure your fan shroud is in place to direct the push of the fan. Steve > "T.Gill" wrote: > > > > I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During warm > > weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying a load. > > The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling system > > flushed and filled in the fall. Changed the thermostat couple of days ago > > and had the cooling system pressure checked. No difference. To me it seems > > the fan doesn't 'roar' like it should when the engine is hot. Do these > > symptoms sound like a fan clutch problem or a radiator problem? How do you > > check a fan clutch? Thanks for your time. > > > > Trevor Gill > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:30:33 -0500 From: Edward Saunders Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Thanks I'll try that. Steve wrote: > > under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of > > gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark > > Sounds like it could be the vacuum advance!? Make sure your hose to the > distributor is in good shape and try to run it off the manifold vacuum > instead of the carb vacuum. With all the smog stuff, you could have a > plugged vacuum valve or temp valve in the vacuum system. > > Steve > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:53:06 -0400 From: "Troy Williams" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '84 AOD On 2 Jun 99, at 13:40, Steve Randa wrote: >Just wondered what I could do, other than adjusting the TV rod, to get >higher shifts. I'm O.K. with the 1-2 shift but the 3-4 is way to soon. >I'm not sure that a shift kit would solve my problem. I've seen ads for >valve bodies. What do they do and does it to apply to my AOD. Would a >mild torque converter help with this. If I could get a hold of a later >AOD what year is optimum. I've heard the OD bands are larger but don't >know much else. Thanks. First and second gear is fine on my truck as well, but then afterward, forget trying to build up speed in a hurry. It's during that time that the Ch****s are able to beat my truck until I can get the RPMs up, then they're eatin' my dust in the long haul. :) I would like to find out what I can do rather than changing out the tranny to try and maybe see about getting the tranny to wait before it kicks into third gear. I find that if I hold the gas pretty hard like if you are trying to merge on an interstate, or trying to build up speed (like if you just stupidly pulled out in front of someone that has a bigger pickup than you do), then it doesn't bog, only when you try and take it easy. You might be a redneck if... You've ever vacationed in a rest area. - Jeff Foxworthy Troy Williams == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:53:06 -0400 From: "Troy Williams" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine On 1 Jun 99, at 20:45, S Spaulding wrote: >I don't remember your year and model, but for MY91, transmission code >T=AOD (not E4OD) and axle code 19 is a 3800# with 3.55:1 gears (not >limited slip). Thanks. I figured since it is an older pickup that it would just be the regular AOD tranny. With the axle, what is the difference between the limited slip and the non-limited slip? That's a term I ain't heard used yet. Thanks for looking up the information on it. My pickup is an '84 F-150. You might be a redneck if... Babysitters never work for you more than once. - Jeff Foxworthy Troy Williams == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:53:05 -0400 From: "Troy Williams" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - hard starting On 1 Jun 99, at 22:25, Todd Schiller wrote: >The computer/fuel injection started on the 302's during the last half of the >1985 production year. After spending a lot of time and trial fitting I've >found most aftermarket accessories fit the 85 302 w/fuel injection. Hmmmmm. What about the '84 series F-150's with the 302's? Did they have any computerized parts on them at all, or is the truck strictly mechanical? Just wondering for the hell of it. :) You might be a redneck if... Your blinds are in your truck instead of your house - Jeff Foxworthy Troy Williams == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:55:09 EDT From: Mobilepdr aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps I have a 1996 ford explorer with the 5.0 v8 AWD and i've installed a hyperchip and in order to keep the engine from pinging to death they recommend that I install a 160 degree thermostat...This fix does work but i wonder is there any down side to this...Does everything get up to temp to burn off condensation and keep the fluids up hot enough to burn off build up stuff to this nature...I mean the engine was designed to run at 195 degree's....I wonder....I've also added a k&n air filter and removed the old air box and installed 3" exhaust cat back with a dynomax muffler,sounds very mean and is a lot more peppy............ding == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:13:27 -0700 From: "Radoje Spasojevic" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps I hate to say this but any chip you add to your computer that makes the engine ping without a 165 degree thermostat should be taken out and smashed with a hammer. You would be better off retarding the base timing and getting a slight power gain there. Running a thermostat that low is not good for your engine in the long run. I have very little use for add on chips like Hypertech sells. If you engine was designed for a 180-195 degree thrmostat then that is what you should run. If you really want a different performance curve (it is pretty much impossible to get an across the board power gain with any sort of computer reprogramming) then I would get a custom PROM made by a company that specializes in EEC work. Rade - -----Original Message----- From: Mobilepdr aol.com To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:54 PM Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -? about thermostats and temps > I have a 1996 ford explorer with the 5.0 v8 AWD and i've installed a >hyperchip and in order to keep the engine from pinging to death they >recommend that I install a 160 degree thermostat...This fix does work but i >wonder is there any down side to this...Does everything get up to temp to >burn off condensation and keep the fluids up hot enough to burn off build up >stuff to this nature...I mean the engine was designed to run at 195 >degree's....I wonder....I've also added a k&n air filter and removed the old >air box and installed 3" exhaust cat back with a dynomax muffler,sounds very >mean and is a lot more peppy............ding >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:15:47 -0500 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: A question about old Fords You are correct. Henry started with a Model "A" in 1903 and worked his way up the alphabet through "T". All of the models from A through T were sold, but none in the sheer numbers that the Model T was. The Model T was produced for quite a while. Over 15 million were made. Then production was abruptly stopped in 1927. To signify that the new car was going to be really different, they started over again at the begining of the alphabet with the Model A. It was announced in late 1927 but none were delivered until 1928. Even then it took quite a while for production to ramp up. Still, over 5 million Model As were sold in 4 years, as I recall. It was a very popular car, considering the economic conditions of the country at the time. At 00:52 02/06/99 -0500, you wrote: >I believe they were just consecutive model designations, many of which were >never produced for sale. > >I think Henry's first was the original model A, then B and so forth. When >the model T was discontinued and the new model A introduced, he started the >alphabet over again. I think the model B was the last let designation. Then >the '32 Ford V-8 came out and I think that was it for the letters. > Jim Cannon Houston, TX '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera '80 Ford F-150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:10:10 -0500 From: "Harris, Scott" Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving On my '85 302, one of the first signs of my fuel filter getting dirty is it bogging at high-rpm or hard acceleration. That is my sign to replace it. I figure you already did that but that was the only thing I could think of.... > -----Original Message----- > From:Edward Saunders [SMTP:pucker21 usit.net] > Sent:Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:33 PM > To:Ford 86-96 > Subject:FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving > > Hi, > I have an 86 F-150, with a 302 in it. I recently rebuilt the motor and > had it bored .040 over. I bought a new distributer, rotor, cap, wires, > and put Bosch Platnum spark plugs in. The problem I'm having is that > under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of > gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark > and gas. It seems to be worse under load, thats why I changed out the > ignition parts. To explain better when it happens I'll explain as if it > has a 4 barrel carb (of course its fuel injected). It idles awesome, > runs smooth, and accelerates fine if I'm accelerating slow and easy, as > if I were only opening the throttle enough to open 2 butterflies. If > I'm accelerating hard, or running along and go to pass or climb a hill, > which would open all 4 butterflies, that's when it starts to sputter and > bog down. I have recently replaced the high pressure fuel pump. I > didn't replace the 2 in the tanks, because I assumed that if I'm getting > gas at all they are working. I don't have a check engine light so I > don't know if I'm getting any codes. > > Also on a different note. My truck has 15X6 inch rims. I recently > bought 15X10 inch rims to accomodate the 32 11.50's. My old rims don't > hit on my calipers, but the new ones do. Why is this? They are both 15 > inches. > > Thanks, > Ed Saunders 1986 F-150 302 > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:12:05 -0500 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L Trevor- First, check waterpump for coolant coming out the hole behind the pulley (underneath). Then, look at fuel guage when engine is cool and again when temp guage goes into red line. Does fuel guage rerad higher than when cool? If so, your engine is NOT hot, your guages are screwed up! Welcome to Ford and their POS guages! Ask me how I know!!! If all three guages read high at the same time, try banging the dash pad with your fist. If they all swing down to normal at the same time, then your Instrument Voltage Regulator (IVR) is going bad. Replace with one from a junkyard for $2. Do not waste your money on a new one at the dealership for $17. Otherwise, replace your thermostat. At 13:46 02/06/99 -0230, you wrote: >I have a 93 f-150 4x4 without a/c and a manual transmission. During warm >weather after about 20 minutes of highway driving, less if carrying a load. >The engine temp slowly creeps up near the red line. Had the cooling system >flushed and filled in the fall. Changed the thermostat couple of days ago >and had the cooling system pressure checked. No difference. To me it seems >the fan doesn't 'roar' like it should when the engine is hot. Do these >symptoms sound like a fan clutch problem or a radiator problem? How do you >check a fan clutch? Thanks for your time. > >Trevor Gill > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Jim Cannon Houston, TX '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera '80 Ford F-150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:21:26 -0500 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving Check coil voltage out. Check for plugged cat. At 16:33 02/06/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I have an 86 F-150, with a 302 in it. I recently rebuilt the motor and >had it bored .040 over. I bought a new distributer, rotor, cap, wires, >and put Bosch Platnum spark plugs in. The problem I'm having is that >under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of >gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark >and gas. It seems to be worse under load, thats why I changed out the >ignition parts. To explain better when it happens I'll explain as if it >has a 4 barrel carb (of course its fuel injected). It idles awesome, >runs smooth, and accelerates fine if I'm accelerating slow and easy, as >if I were only opening the throttle enough to open 2 butterflies. If >I'm accelerating hard, or running along and go to pass or climb a hill, >which would open all 4 butterflies, that's when it starts to sputter and >bog down. I have recently replaced the high pressure fuel pump. I >didn't replace the 2 in the tanks, because I assumed that if I'm getting >gas at all they are working. I don't have a check engine light so I >don't know if I'm getting any codes. > >Also on a different note. My truck has 15X6 inch rims. I recently >bought 15X10 inch rims to accomodate the 32 11.50's. My old rims don't >hit on my calipers, but the new ones do. Why is this? They are both 15 >inches. > >Thanks, >Ed Saunders 1986 F-150 302 > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Jim Cannon Houston, TX '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera '80 Ford F-150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:46:53 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving >Also on a different note. My truck has 15X6 inch rims. I recently >bought 15X10 inch rims to accomodate the 32 11.50's. My old rims don't >hit on my calipers, but the new ones do. Why is this? They are both 15 >inches. The new rims must have a different offset than the old ones. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:43:09 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Problems Driving >> under higher RPM's it bogs down, like its missing or even running out of >> gas. I have checked the timing, and it is right on. I'm getting spark > >Sounds like it could be the vacuum advance!? Make sure your hose to the >distributor is in good shape and try to run it off the manifold vacuum >instead of the carb vacuum. With all the smog stuff, you could have a >plugged vacuum valve or temp valve in the vacuum system. > I prefer to run the vacuum advance off ported carb vacuum. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:50:23 -0500 From: Blake Malkamaki Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L See if the fins are starting to separate from the tubes in your radiator. The heat will not transfer if they separate. Blake Little Mountain Concord, Ohio Early Oil Well Historian http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake Web site design http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://hitechdesign.com Desktop Publishing service "Society is safest when the criminals don't know who's armed." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 00:09:42 -0500 From: Matthew Banevich Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Poly spring bushings Steve Randa wrote: > > I went with the Energy Suspension pieces when I lowered my truck. WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND EVER WANT TO DO THAT !!!!!!!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 00:22:04 -0500 From: Matthew Banevich Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - overheating 4.9L S Spaulding wrote: > > Trevor, > > Regardless of the condition of the fan clutch, it will only impact low > speed operation. There is sufficient air flow at high speeds to cool > the radiator. > > Assuming that the outside of the radiator isn't blocked, it is much more > likely that the problem is a result of poor heat transfer from the > coolant to the radiator core. This would be from a buildup of scale > (which acts as an insulator) on the inner surfaces, or from blockage in.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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