80-96-list-digest Tuesday, June 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 153



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: '86 5.0L EFI problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still
FTE 80-96 - Electrical Problem
FTE 80-96 - k&n filters
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FOLLOW-UP
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electrical Problem
FTE 80-96 - 351W Swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W Swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Knocking and pinging and missing

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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:04:15 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: '86 5.0L EFI problems

Is it firing at all? Or are you gettting no combustion? If there is fuel
to the injectors and they are firing you should get some sort of turn over
because the EEC is not using any control inputs during cranking phase, it
runs purely off programmed settings (though it does look at the ECT to see
if it is a cold start or warm start). My bet would be spark/timing. You
said you are getting spark, so I would check the timing and move from there.
Have you tried starting it with light throttle pressure? If the Idle-air
bypass valve is not opening then it will not start, so try opening the
throttle a little and see if that works.
I am off Thursday and Friday and all I need to accomplish is get my double
cardan rebuilt. If it is still not running by then I will be happy to drive
down and lend a hand.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kennedy
To: Big Bronco List ; Ford List

Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: '86 5.0L EFI problems


>
> Well, I started out today to remedy the codes that the
>rig was showing. It was flooding out and pulling gas up
>through the vacuum connection. I realized it was the Fuel
>Pressure Regulator on the fuel rail. Replaced that and the
>02 sensor, cleaned and replaced the EGR valve. The codes
>went away, but now it won't start. It will turn over but
>won't hit a lick.
>
>I have verified fuel pressure at the rail, spark at the plug
>and timing. All seems OK.
>
>Any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated.
>
>Bob
>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:26:43 -0700
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still

Thanks Steve!
I'll being doing a little work on it today and I'll look at that.
You know the easiest way to find a vacuum leak is to spray carb cleaner on
the suspected part. If it works better while you're spraying on it, it has
a leak. Works great for hoses. Did your run very rich while it was doing
this? Mine sure is!
PS: Looking at the O2 Sensor as well.

Thanks!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.


Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:47:32 -0700
From: satkins1 mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still

I have a '90 Bronco w/302 I had the same surge problem and it nearly drove
me nuts. I took it to the dealer and they replaced the upper and lower
intake gaskets. It fixed the problem. They told me a vacuum leak is the
first thing to look for and these gaskets were usually the problem.
Steve Atkins
Wetumpka, AL

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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:59:12 -0700
From: "Mark Gross"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Electrical Problem

I have an '86 F250. My wife (yes, I occassionally allow her to drive it)
says that sometimes the power windows and door locks run out of power. The
other day, she took it to the store, and it wouldn't start when she came
out. I took her Saturn down, and jumped it. Now it seems to be running
fine. How do I troubleshoot this so it will be more reliable?

Mark
mgross molalla.net

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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:23:36 PDT
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - k&n filters

my old air filter has just about bit the dust so i thought i would get a
high performance one. i'm not sure whether to get a filtercharger and
replace my airbox too or just get a k&n air filter replacement. is the
filtercharger a'lot better than just the filter in the original airbox? The
filtercharger was about $150 in the summitracing mag for a f-series but only
~$120 for a mustang. what would the difference be? i thought they both use
the same 5.0L motor.
How is the gas mileage and power differences for the filters?
Thanks for all the info i'm sure to get on this.




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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:49:54 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FOLLOW-UP

This is a follow up of the announcements I made earlier.

I just want to make it clear that as always, FTE is free
and shall continue to operate as a free service. Membership
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Additionally, the club is completely independent of FTE.
FTE merely licenses its trademark names to AFTE and also
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board of AFTE for obvious conflict of interest reasons.
I'm sure Don Neighbors, the president of AFTE will make
some sort of announcement on behalf of the club later on.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:08:37 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electrical Problem

How old is the battery? Also, check the output of the alternator. With
engine running, there should be atleast 14.5 volts across the battery
terminals.

mp

>I have an '86 F250. My wife (yes, I occassionally allow her to drive it)
>says that sometimes the power windows and door locks run out of power. The
>other day, she took it to the store, and it wouldn't start when she came
>out. I took her Saturn down, and jumped it. Now it seems to be running
>fine. How do I troubleshoot this so it will be more reliable?
>
>Mark
>mgross molalla.net
>


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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:37:30 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 351W Swap

Hey, Hey!!! You guys have been helping me out with my 300 I6 to 351W swap
for about 6 months now. Well, this weekend I got her runnin'. Took me two
batteries to crank it long enough to get compression, but once it started
it ran almost perfect. Had to plug an upper radiator hose leak and a leak
to my trans cooler. Everything else looks great.

Thanks a ton! You guys have been helping ton's. I don't think I could have
been nearly as successful if I hadn't gotten advice and answers from you
folks.

Next step is to get an exhaust system (running straight off headers now),
tune the carb, and then get my inspection.

Thanks again,

Steve


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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:41:58 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W Swap

Congratulations!

Sounds great! (I'll bet it sounds LOUD!)

At 22:37 31/05/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey, Hey!!! You guys have been helping me out with my 300 I6 to 351W swap
>for about 6 months now. Well, this weekend I got her runnin'. Took me two
>batteries to crank it long enough to get compression, but once it started
>it ran almost perfect. Had to plug an upper radiator hose leak and a leak
>to my trans cooler. Everything else looks great.
>
>Thanks a ton! You guys have been helping ton's. I don't think I could have
>been nearly as successful if I hadn't gotten advice and answers from you
>folks.
>
>Next step is to get an exhaust system (running straight off headers now),
>tune the carb, and then get my inspection.
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:12:09 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Knocking and pinging and missing

>Should be 10 degrees BTC

Thank you.

It is now at 5 degrees BTDC, but I blame it on a worn timing chain with
133000 miles. Soon I am going to completely tear down the top of the engine
to the heads and put in a new timing chain, valve seals, gaskets, and
headers. I also need to replace that thing on the back of the engine that
diverts the air pump air into the plumbing going into the back of the
heads. The top broke off of it.

Does anyone know if there is a better cam to put in the 302 that will not
mess up the computer or require a chip?

BTW, the truck ran great to WV and back with no problem. I think it needs a
little more power, but I think a retarded worn out timing chain could be
the culprit.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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