80-96-list-digest Monday, May 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 152



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 460 engine conversion/84 F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still
FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!
FTE 80-96 - '86 5.0L EFI problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS
FTE 80-96 - Parking Brake Troubles

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:53:29 EDT
From: Jgearhead aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 engine conversion/84 F250

I am in the process of converting from 351W to 460 in my LD 84 F250. Am doing
this without a donor truck, and without an expensive adapter kit. Before I
brag and tell how easy it is, I feel that I should finish the project and
work all the bugs out. The truck is equipped with a T-18 transmission, power
steering and AC. Anyone interested can Email me Jgearhead aol.com
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:47:32 -0700
From: satkins1 mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still

I have a '90 Bronco w/302 I had the same surge problem and it nearly drove
me nuts. I took it to the dealer and they replaced the upper and lower
intake gaskets. It fixed the problem. They told me a vacuum leak is the
first thing to look for and these gaskets were usually the problem.
Steve Atkins
Wetumpka, AL

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Mueller
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:16 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still




Well,
First of all, thanks to all those that responded.
I did pull the valve and cleaned out al the dark carbon soot looking stuff.
Put it all back together and started it up.
I must say it helped as it isn't surging as big, but it still does surge.
It waits until it gets fully warmed up.
Looking into the valve I am sure I got 90% of the crud.
Any other ideas?

BTW: Andre' you speak like a true Canadian!

Thanks!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.


> >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:17:20 -0700
> >> From: "Mike Mueller"
> >> Subject: FTE 80-96 - '89 351 idle surge problem
> >>
> >> Hey all!
> >> Perhaps someone out there may have an idea on my problem.
> >> Truck is an 89 F-150 XLT 351, A/T (not 4aod), 4x4, Supercab, Longbed,
dual
> >> tank, with black pealing paint.
> >> All of a sudden (as in one day), at idle I'm getting a big up and down
> >> surge. The motor will go down and almost die then bounce back up and
> >> recover. The cycle continues at a rate of about 3-4 seconds each with
no
> >> break. As soon as you bring it up off of idle the problem goes away
and
> the
> >> truck runs fine.
> >>
> >> Things I don't know...
> >> last time fuel filter was replaced,
> >> last tune up,
> >> who's going to win the Stanley Cup
> >>
> >> Things I do know...
> >> air filter is clean and new,
> >> both tanks have new clean gas in them,
> >> I put in 2 bottles of Techron with the new gas,
> >> I'd like to see Hasek meet Roy in the finals and have it go down to
> game
> >> 7 in double OT!
> >>
> >> I'm thinking it's a FI problem or something related to it. I don't
think
> >> it's bad gas as it came on in the middle of a full tank whereas if it
was
> >> bad gas it would have hit as soon as I filled it up. The Techron has
> worked
> >> to clean up injectors in the past on other vehicles but I really think
> >> because this is only at idle that it's not the injectors but something
> >> related. Any ideas? Anyone have the same problem? I left the
following
> >> quote from today's digest as just a thought, do I have an IAC Valve and
> >> could it be something like this?
> >> Anyone think a Belfour vs. Cujo matchup would be fun?
> >> Let me know!
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Mike Mueller
> >> The Leasing Dept.
> >> "Clean Hockey is the best Hockey"
> >>
>
>


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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:27:20 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!

The victi^H^H^H^H^Hsubject: 1981 F-150, 300 CID "big six"

The problem: Some idiot with an impact gun, I think.

I went to change the plugs, wires, cap and rotor on the truck. One of
these things where I don't know when it was last done, but I doubt it
was in the last two or three years.

Started on #1 plug, because it's nice and easy to reach. Was that plug
ever tight! I had to torque the thing out all the way. Tried #2. Can't
budge it. At all. Ditto #3. I gave up on the plugs and changed the cap,
rotor and wires. The wires I took out are marked Motorcraft 1981. The
original wires?

Anyway, how flipping tight are those plugs supposed to be? Sure it's
only 1 3/8 ratchet, but come on now.

Anybody nearby with a BFWrench? Gonna have to have a word with my
Father-in-law, the guy who gave me the truck.
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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:34 -0400
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!

If they're in there tight enough you can snap them off, be careful.
After all those years of heating and exposure to the air they can get pretty
rusty. Then "crush ring"; a thinner section of the plug wall where the
manufacturer squeezes the porcelain tight into the plug, gets very thin and
can't take the torque of getting the plug out. All is not lost however, you
can use a square "EZ out" on what's left of the plug. A bear on some
engines, but not too bad on the 300.

Matt


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Andre Roy
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 5:27 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!


> The victi^H^H^H^H^Hsubject: 1981 F-150, 300 CID "big six"
>
> The problem: Some idiot with an impact gun, I think.
>
> I went to change the plugs, wires, cap and rotor on the truck. One of
> these things where I don't know when it was last done, but I doubt it
> was in the last two or three years.
>
> Started on #1 plug, because it's nice and easy to reach. Was that plug
> ever tight! I had to torque the thing out all the way. Tried #2. Can't
> budge it. At all. Ditto #3. I gave up on the plugs and changed the cap,
> rotor and wires. The wires I took out are marked Motorcraft 1981. The
> original wires?
>
> Anyway, how flipping tight are those plugs supposed to be? Sure it's
> only 1 3/8 ratchet, but come on now.
>
> Anybody nearby with a BFWrench? Gonna have to have a word with my
> Father-in-law, the guy who gave me the truck.
> --
> Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:52:33 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 5.0L EFI problems

Well, I started out today to remedy the codes that the
rig was showing. It was flooding out and pulling gas up
through the vacuum connection. I realized it was the Fuel
Pressure Regulator on the fuel rail. Replaced that and the
02 sensor, cleaned and replaced the EGR valve. The codes
went away, but now it won't start. It will turn over but
won't hit a lick.

I have verified fuel pressure at the rail, spark at the plug
and timing. All seems OK.

Any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated.

Bob


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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 01:20:11 -0500
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Holy breaker bar, Batman!

I had the same problem with my 88 caprice squad car....

I was changin plugs with the head gasket, and the #2 broke off in the
head after using a snap on socket, cause all other sockets slipped...

I had to get a bolt extractor, it was fun, but i got lucky
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:09:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce the following:

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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:21:53 -0600
From: "nicj"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Parking Brake Troubles

I posted my first message two days ago and thought I would post one more
before I give up. I broke my parking brake cable the other day and am having
trouble getting the replacement part to fit. Without explaining the entire
setup (those of you who respond already know what it looks like anyways) I
cannot get the cable that wraps around my parking brake pedal and goes down
to my I-beam to connect to the cable which links up with my individual left
and right tire brake cables. It is too short. The piece I broke and it's
replacement are identical. I know it has to be a tight fit but I cannot find
a way to get the two to connect. My Haynes manual depicts a parking brake
system that has a series of springs and adjustments along the cables. Mine
has none of this. Am I missing adjustment pieces? Is there a trick to
connecting up the cables? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in
advance. You can e-mail me off list at nicj gateway.net if you would like..I
am only on the digest. A few more days of this and if I don't come up with a
solution I'll probably have to take it to a mechanic. I would like to try
and solve this problem on my own however. I am a newcomer to working on
trucks but I want to learn...and taking it to a mechanic doesn't teach me
much. Thanks guys...Any help would be appreciated.



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