80-96-list-digest Wednesday, January 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 015



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 87 aerostar hesitaes at idle and +45
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE T-shirts answers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaky C6
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1998-99 Super-Duty HP & TQ ratings
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bore and Stroke
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hub Removal
FTE 80-96 - more on horsepower ratings
FTE 80-96 - Thud in the hub?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1998-99 Super-Duty HP & TQ ratings
FTE 80-96 - Thanks
FTE 80-96 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks
FTE 80-96 - F-150
FTE 80-96 - Engine Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Steering wheel w/cruise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Problem

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:23:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Victor L Moran
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 87 aerostar hesitaes at idle and +45

I purchased this 87 aerostar a few months ago and haven't been able to get
this problem fixed.
After the car is warm, when I am going above 45 MPH, the car starts to
jerk forward, (like it is losing power
momentiarily and then suddently regaining the lost power) and it also
idles in a similar way.

A clerk at a Mobil suggested a fluid from STP that would remove all the
water from the fuel line, because he thought
that that was the problem. Well, after I put it in, it jerked really hard
for about ten minutes (I am guessing here that the
STP product was pushing all the water out through the engine, all at
once). And then it drove absolutely beautifully.

Well now its back, on the very next tank of gas.
I know I have a problem with leaking gas. Can someone help me determine
the problems relation (if any) to the leaking
gas? Is the gas tank pressurized? Is it at negative pressure? Even just a
simple explaination of how the gas system
works and how water can get in to it would be a great help. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:00:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE T-shirts answers

After yesterday's posting about the new Ford Truck
Enthusiasts t-shirts, I received about a dozen emails
asking about security of ordering over the Internet.
I'm going to outline the measures taken:

1. If you use a browser that handles secure transactions
(Netscape and Internet Explorer are amoung these)
then your order from your browser is sent to our server
using either 128 or 40 bit encryption. Your browser
should indicate with a lock or key symbol somewhere on
the screen (usually the bottom) when you get to the
final order page that the transaction is secure.

2. The transactions are then further encrypted with PGP
using 1024/512 bit RSA encryption and stored on our
server.

3. Each evening these transactions are downloaded to our
system in encrypted form and we decrypt them on our
system. At no time is your personal information sent
over public lines unencrypted.

4. Nova, the Visa/Mastercard/Amex processor, runs a credit
check on both Ford Truck Enthusiasts and my personal
credit. Credit requirements for an Internet business
are tighter than non-Internet businesses to help insure
ethical transaction practices.

5. Nova requires a publically stated return and shipping
policy and we supply this on our order form.

Concerning the Ford truck club that is being formed (still
working on the Constitution for it)... if you join the
club and have ordered a t-shirt, the club member t-shirt
discount will be applied to your club membership fee. More
on this later....

Ken Payne



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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:25:02 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaky C6

David Cole wrote:

> Can't do anything about the snow. Wish it would snow here (Alabama) at
> least once this year. We have had a bit of ice a couple of times so far,
> but no snow yet.

David, Where you at. I work in Huntsville, AL

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))



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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:28:35 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1998-99 Super-Duty HP & TQ ratings

CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
> While we are on HP and TQ I would like to see if some one happens to know the
> HP and TQ for the Super-Duty's, specifically the Diesel. I went and test drove
> on of those with the diesel in it, and I was amazed at how Fast that truck
> get's up and goes. It hauls A$$!!!! I was just wandering
>
> Thanks if you can help
>
> BART
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I don't have any actual numbers but have heard at least 500 ft lbs of
torque...With torque like that it could eat that dodge cummins alive!
Chris
94 Lightning#381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:29:59 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bore and Stroke

Speed Racer wrote:
>
> I'm screwing around with desktop dyno right now, and I don't have my
> manual with me. Does anyone know boreXstroke, cam profies, etc. for the
> 300 I6.
>
> Trenton Munsell
> Oakland University-- Mechanical Engineering
> 1998-99 SAE President
> 1998-99 FSAE Team Leader
> Brakes are a sign of weakness.....
> ..... When in doubt-- GAS IT!!!!!
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i posted the bore and stroke with the horsepower and torque numbers!
Chris
94 lightning #381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:31:35 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings

Giddens, Scott wrote:
>
> Garr&Pam [garrpam netgsi.com] Wrote:
>
> > First engine codes and displacement
> >
> *Snip*
>
> > 5.8L 5766 351 4.00X3.50 8.8:1 H
> > 5.8L 5766 351 4.00X3.50 8.8:1 R
> >
> *Snip*
>
> > 1995
> > 5.8L 210 3600 325 2800
> > 5.8L(R) 240 4200 340 3200
> >
> I am sure this is a stupid question to some but I will ask anyway.
>
> What does the letter designation mean in the last column and after the
> displacement later down the list?
>
> I see this all the time but never had the time to look it up or ask before.
>
> Scott
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It is the engine code....the 351 R is the Lightning engine!
Chris
94 Lightning#381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:33:37 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings

Giddens, Scott wrote:
>
> BART Wrote:
> >
> > The letters aftter the engine liters and engine measurements are the 8th
> > digit
> > in the vin number(by this you can tell which engine is in the truck, and
> > which
> > model of engine it is)
> >
> More specifically, to help me understand the significance of the
> letter, what is the difference from a '95, 351 model with no letter and the
> model with a letter R?
>
> > First engine codes and displacement
> >
> *Snip*
>
> > 5.8L 5766 351 4.00X3.50 8.8:1 H
> > 5.8L 5766 351 4.00X3.50 8.8:1 R
> >
> *Snip*
>
> > 1995
> > 5.8L 210 3600 325 2800
> > 5.8L(R) 240 4200 340 3200
> >
> I'm not sure if it is just rated differently, at a different RPM, or
> if it is actually a higher HP. Also I see this in the engine parts catalogs
> with no listings given for the (R) version. I assume when they give no P.N.
> listing there is no part available for it. But almost every time the engine
> part without the letter designation will fit on it. An example would be a
> Fram Fuel filter for my truck. It calls for a CA3850 for a '95 351 but has
> no listing for a '95 351 R.
>
> I don't mean to be anal about this but my curiosity is peaked.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> Scott
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The R has GT40 heads and intakes, different cam, marine block, and could
only be had with E4OD! This is the Lightning made from 93-95!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:39:35 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings

Thanks for taking the time to post this info! My info is a little
different, so I'll just post where it disagrees.
For the '87 5.8L, the engine had a 4bbl Holley carb and was rated at
210hp 3800, 305lb/ft 2800. FWIW, the info I have also states that the
"351" engine is really 351.9ci, so it is really a 352, but it is called
a 351 to avoid confusion with the older 352FE engine.

Also, the info I have seen has shown that the more powerful V8 engines
that show up on your list in '95 came on line in '94, although that may
be the case only for CA-spec engines with mass air. Also, some of the
info I have seen claims that the 245-horse 7.5L appeared sometime in
1993, and an improved E4OD transmission appeared with it. I have no
proof positive of these, but the info seems to point to their existence.

I am sure there are variance, most diffently in CA trucks cause they did
get mass air first. The E4OD was not very well improved for 93..some in
94...but really improved in 95! This was after baja racing with it ford
corrected some of the weak spots found by the abuse of the baja!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:42:21 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hub Removal

>From: hemi-cbx juno.com (Hemi Z.)
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hub Removal
>
>I wanted to lube the automatic front hubs on my 93, but I'm having
>trouble getting the hub out. I pulled the cover and removed the little
>stamped steel locking ring retainer. I then pinch the tangs on the
>locking ring together and try to pull the hub out - with no success. Any
>help would be appreciated. Thanks
>MHZ

I dunno about automatic ones, but on my '83 with manual hubs, there
is a steel ring that rests in a groove inside the hub assembly. Its
harder than heck to see, and a real challenge to get it out because
you have to "de-expand" it to get it out of the groove, and on mine
at least, it doesnt have any nice convenient holes for ring-retainer
pliers to grip. Take a screwdriver and "feel" alnong the inside of the
hub casing ... if you find a little ridge that seems to be keeping you
from sliding the hub assembly out, thats probably the steel retainer
ring. They *do* come out, but those things are challenging enough
to inspire a few choice words about the designer of that idea.
I found that two very thin scratch awls work best. There is a gap in
the retainer ring. Hold it from sliding with one awl, and pry it up out
of the groove with the other (sounds easy, doesn't it ... its not ;-) ).
Hope this helps, or at least gives some clue.


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:54:53 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: FTE 80-96 - more on horsepower ratings

High Altitude 4.9L make 10 more hp(160) than the other 300s!
High Altitude 7.3L(M) make 40 ft lb less tq(305) thru 92
4.9L w/ 2.73/3.08 or E4OD tranny makes 5 less hp(145)but 5 more ft lbs
of tq(265)
The 95 5.0L ratings I showed was for manual tranny the auto makes 10
less hp(195) and 5 ft lbs less tq(270)
7.3L(m) makes 20 less hp(165) and 35 less ft lbs tq (325) for 93 and 94
7.5L makes 255 hp 405 ft lbs tq in Superduties
the 5.8L in CA in 95 w/ E4OD makes 5 less hp(205) and 5 more ft lbs of
tq (330)at 200 less rpm(2600)
Hope this is helpful
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:46:21 PST
From: "Jeremy Taylor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thud in the hub?

I have a 1988 F-250HD with a 460, C-6, 4.10 gears, etc. With the snow
recently, i've got much use out of the 4wd. But now the driver's side
hub has developed an intermittent "thump" that increases with speed.
This happens in both the lock and unlock position. The hubs have never
been replaced so i started there first, but when i took the original hub
off, i noticed that the entire axle assembly has some play. Would
bearings cause this type of noise? Tell me i haven't ruined an
expensive part, like the axle shaft!

Thanx- Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:31:18 EST
From: INGENERATE aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1998-99 Super-Duty HP & TQ ratings

The 1999 Superduty's HP & TQ ratings are as follows:
5.4L Triton v8 hp: 235 4250 tq: 335 3000
6.8L Triton v10 hp: 275 4250 tq: 410 2650
7.3 Powerstroke diesel hp: 235 2700 tq: 500 1600
all of this information was taken out of a pamphlet i had ford send me about
the 1999 Superduty trucks

Hope this helps!
Eric Jones, Florida
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:36:32 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanks

Hi,
I would like to thank all of you and especially Ken for all that you
guys have done. I would like to thank ken for all he has done, the
website and the lists. I would like to thank you guys for all the info
you have given me and my family. You have given tremendious info for
snow plowing reccomendations.
Thanks

Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:31:47 EST
From: Bailey8109 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)

I have a 1983 F250 with a 302, I was wondering how much of a horsepower and
torque increase I would get if I installed a 1986 351W. I was also wondering
if a nose and bed from a 1994 F250 would bolt right on ?
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:43:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thanks

At 01:36 PM 1/19/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
> I would like to thank all of you and especially Ken for all that you
>guys have done. I would like to thank ken for all he has done, the
>website and the lists. I would like to thank you guys for all the info
>you have given me and my family. You have given tremendious info for
>snow plowing reccomendations.
> Thanks
>
>Scottie Schmidt
>

Passing what you've learned on to someone else is reward enough.
Hope to see you at the Pigeon Forge show this year! We hope to
have a huge group this year.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:49:30 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150

Hi,

My grandfather has finally said he definitly wants a f150 for the
farm. I said "Ok, but you are going to have to get a mighty good one!!"
Was wondering what extras, and stuff that this truck should have?? We
know he is going to get a snow plow and my dad is going to build him a
ladder rack. Any thing else?? What should this truck have?
He wants it to have low miles(below 90,000) and it has to be below
$11,000. The extras that I am asking about will come later.

Over all I would like to know:
What engine
what extra's (equipment for it)
tires
anything else
lift
It will be used for:
snowplowing pretty good size driveway
hauling stuff
farm use(will have alpacka,sheep,chickens,12acres)
He definitly wants a F-150 4x4

Thanks

Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:15:24 -0500
From: "Karen Zifcak"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine Problem

I need help!
My 1988, Ford F150, 5L, 5 speed manual od trans., 4wd has poor fuel mileage.
The problem is intermittent. Following is alist of past work, (most recent
first): plenum gasket and thermostat, vacuum resevoir, EEC relay and EEC,
throttle positioning sensor, TFI mod ans stator, O2 sensor, cleaned emission
system and fuel injectors.any input will be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Matt Zifcak

zifcak ibm.net

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:53:05 -0600
From: "Brian J. Babiuk"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150

- ----- Original Message -----



>Hi,
>
> My grandfather has finally said he definitly wants a f150 for the
>farm. I said "Ok, but you are going to have to get a mighty good one!!"
> Was wondering what extras, and stuff that this truck should have?? We
>know he is going to get a snow plow and my dad is going to build him a
>ladder rack. Any thing else?? What should this truck have?
>He wants it to have low miles(below 90,000) and it has to be below
>$11,000. The extras that I am asking about will come later.
>
>Over all I would like to know:
> What engine

I like my 302, but he may want the 351 for snow plowing. Both are awesome
motors.


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:44:54 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Steering wheel w/cruise

by now someone may have answered this (I'm 154 e-mails behind)..But if
not...Grant makes the adapters that match to the Grant steering wheels
and cruise control buttons (I saw the kits at Pep Boys and Discount Auto
Parts)

G Hester

Steve Randa wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a steering wheel producer that offers an adapter or
> extra assembly for the cruise control.
>
> Steve Randa
> '84 F150
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:51:45 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips

before you buy the new motor check with Auto Zone (they have the
replacement nylon gears)

G Hester

Chris Bradley wrote:
>
> Tom,
> The motor is not repairable as far as I know. They are under a $100 from
> the dealer, so it is not to cost effective to repair them, unless you can
> find brushes for it. To get it out you just have to drill out the rivets,
> hold the window up, and slide the bottom guide out of the window track. It
> is pretty easy, just a bit awkward (sp??). You can rivet the motor back in,
> but I would recommend bolting it in, in case you have to pull it again one
> day.
> --
> Chris B
> '85 XLT
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=134
>
> Tom Gunby wrote:
>
> > The passenger side power window in my 86 F150 slips when raising or
> > lowering the window. We removed the door trim but find the window drive
> > motor is riveted to the inside of the door. How do you remove the drive
> > motor and is it repairable?
> > Thanks for the help.
> > Tom Gunby
> >
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:07:36 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Problem

In a message dated 1/19/99 7:27:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, zifcak ....


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