80-96-list-digest Friday, May 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 149



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine
Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine
Re: FTE 80-96 - still clicking
Re: FTE 80-96 - Coasting controller
Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine
FTE 80-96 - 88 8.8" AXLE QUESTIONS
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 8.8" AXLE QUESTIONS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear lube
FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still
Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine
Re: FTE 80-96 - still clicking
RE: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception
FTE 80-96 - Knocking and pinging and missing
RE: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:55 -0400
From: "Troy Williams"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine

On 27 May 99, at 0:37, Mobilepdr aol.com wrote:

>I'm getting a lil tired of this dam truck locking up and going into
>OD to early its so annoying...I'll be driving and i'll hit around 36 mph and
>it'll just drop into OD and bogg at around 1300 rpm;s..I either have to hit
>the gas at least a 1/4 of the way down to get it out or i have to turn the OD
>off and then it just jumps up to over 2000 rpm''s and wants to fly.....I've
>hit the brake pedal to see if it disengages but it doesn't it just boggs away
>at 1300 rpm's at 36 mph...Thats just a few hundred rpm's above idle...Can
>this be normal, i'm having a hard time believing that, my buddy's blazer
>doesn't do anything like this in fact you'd never know it locked up to begin
>with never mind bogg down ....Any clues i'd appreciate anything right now
>cause its getting a lil old..................

I have an '84 F-150 that likes to do the same thing. It doesn't
bother me much since it kinda picks up speed on it's own. If I am
in a hurry or am about to get on the highway, I found that if you
push the gas down farther than normal when it hits third gear the
RPMs stay up a little higher allowing for quicker pickup. First and
second gear are fine on my truck, but third gear is when it likes to
bog.

I have no problems with the overdrive at 36 MPh though. It's only
when I go from say around 55 down to around 40 and then try to
build up speed again. Then you do have to make it downshift by
pressing the pedal most of the way to the floor.

I feel this is the worst transmission made though. What I wouldn't
give for a stick right now.

You might be a redneck if... The liquor store knows you by your
first name. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:22:47 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine

What tranny do you have, The AODE/4R70W, or the E4OD?
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:27:11 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - still clicking

If its an automatic, check the clutch/pressure plate/throw out bearing. If
any of these pieces was starting to go bad, they would make a clicking
noise...and then of course in neutral it would be silent.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:29:24 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Coasting controller

Congrats Bjorn!!! May your sleepless nights be few and far between!
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:43:07 -0400
From: "Troy Williams"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine

On 27 May 99, at 9:22, FLR150 aol.com wrote:

>What tranny do you have, The AODE/4R70W, or the E4OD?

Just an AOD tranny. It's in an '84 F-150.

You might be a redneck if... You've ever gotten into a fistfight over
a bowling score. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:12:40 -0600
From: "Ellsworth, Sam"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 8.8" AXLE QUESTIONS

Hello everyone,
I am a lurker here, don't post much. but I do have a few questions as to a
feasability study.
I have an 88 f-150 4x4 and have had problems with the pinion gear since I
bought it4 years ago. I ended up putting in a auburn gear limited slip unit
and 1-2 yrs later, the pinion is rubbing against the limited slip spool. a
guy I know wants about 500 to rebuilt the whole axle. I can get an 83 f-150
axle to bolt in, but it doesn't have abs brakes, does anyone know if this
could be done easily enough to bypass the abs system and put the older axle
on? I didn't realize how much I used it until I don't have it anymore.
any thoughts and questions on this matter will be appreciated. you can
e-mail me off list also if you like.

thanks,

SAM ELLSWORTH
1988 f-150 4x4
145,000 miles
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:33:24 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 8.8" AXLE QUESTIONS

>Hello everyone,
>I am a lurker here, don't post much. but I do have a few questions as to a
>feasability study.
>I have an 88 f-150 4x4 and have had problems with the pinion gear since I
>bought it4 years ago. I ended up putting in a auburn gear limited slip unit
>and 1-2 yrs later, the pinion is rubbing against the limited slip spool. a
>guy I know wants about 500 to rebuilt the whole axle. I can get an 83 f-150
>axle to bolt in, but it doesn't have abs brakes, does anyone know if this
>could be done easily enough to bypass the abs system and put the older axle
>on? I didn't realize how much I used it until I don't have it anymore.
>any thoughts and questions on this matter will be appreciated. you can
>e-mail me off list also if you like.
>

If your 88 has only anti-lock rear brakes I think you will like it better
without them working.

I believe all that will happen is your dash light will remain on. That can
be fixed by either removing the bulb or replacing it with a burned out one.

Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:17:46 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear lube

I had a Mitsubishi diesel in ALaska, and the AMSOIL fixed a recurring problem
of the Input bearing going out every winter. (I got so I could change one in
2 hours at Ten below zero) and the only complaint from me (whimpering) was
the oil was so slick the Syncromesh ring's would slip and made it hard to
shift into gear sometimes. Especially shifting down to a much lower gear than
needed. That oil performed perfect, and I never needed another bearing in
Three more winters with that truck.
Dick
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Date: Thu, 27 May 99 12:16:16 PDT
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: '89 351 idle surge problem, still

Well,
First of all, thanks to all those that responded.
I did pull the valve and cleaned out al the dark carbon soot looking stuf=
f.
Put it all back together and started it up.
I must say it helped as it isn't surging as big, but it still does surge.
It waits until it gets fully warmed up.
Looking into the valve I am sure I got 90% of the crud.
Any other ideas?

BTW: Andre' you speak like a true Canadian!

Thanks!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.


> >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:17:20 -0700
> >> From: "Mike Mueller"
> >> Subject: FTE 80-96 - '89 351 idle surge problem
> >>
> >> Hey all!
> >> Perhaps someone out there may have an idea on my problem.
> >> Truck is an 89 F-150 XLT 351, A/T (not 4aod), 4x4, Supercab, Longbed=
, dual
> >> tank, with black pealing paint.
> >> All of a sudden (as in one day), at idle I'm getting a big up and =
down
> >> surge. The motor will go down and almost die then bounce back up =
and
> >> recover. The cycle continues at a rate of about 3-4 seconds each =
with no
> >> break. As soon as you bring it up off of idle the problem goes away=
and
> the
> >> truck runs fine.
> >>
> >> Things I don't know...
> >> last time fuel filter was replaced,
> >> last tune up,
> >> who's going to win the Stanley Cup
> >>
> >> Things I do know...
> >> air filter is clean and new,
> >> both tanks have new clean gas in them,
> >> I put in 2 bottles of Techron with the new gas,
> >> I'd like to see Hasek meet Roy in the finals and have it go down=
to
> game
> >> 7 in double OT!
> >>
> >> I'm thinking it's a FI problem or something related to it. I don't =
think
> >> it's bad gas as it came on in the middle of a full tank whereas if =
it was
> >> bad gas it would have hit as soon as I filled it up. The Techron =
has
> worked
> >> to clean up injectors in the past on other vehicles but I really thi=
nk
> >> because this is only at idle that it's not the injectors but somethi=
ng
> >> related. Any ideas? Anyone have the same problem? I left the foll=
owing
> >> quote from today's digest as just a thought, do I have an IAC Valve =
and
> >> could it be something like this?
> >> Anyone think a Belfour vs. Cujo matchup would be fun?
> >> Let me know!
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Mike Mueller
> >> The Leasing Dept.
> >> "Clean Hockey is the best Hockey"
> >>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:47:15 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD boggs engine

i beliece i hace the e4od i'm not sure though i haven't investigated
yet....its the 5.0 v8 all wheel drive model with 3;73 axles...
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:06:11 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - still clicking

Check for exhaust manifold leak. See if nuts/bolts are tight. Has the
exhaust manifold ever been off? Can you see if there is an exhayst manifold
gasket? It does not come from the factory with one, but there are good
aftermarket ones you can put on.

At 00:58 27/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, first of all let me say thank you for all of the suggestions about
>my clicking during acceleration problem. Unfortunately, it doesnt look
>like any of them have given the desired results. As has been suggested, I
>checked for loose spark plugs, no problem there. I have run some fuel
>injector cleaner through my gas tank, no change there. There was a hole
>in my muffler, which was replaced, but did not eliminate the clicking.
>
>Some other suggestions included possibly a bad tappet, but the clicking
>doesnt seem to be consistent enough to suggest that. A bad u-joint was
>also mentioned, but after inspection, that doesnt seem to be it either.
>
>Basically, I am experiencing a clicking-type sound during moderate
>acceleration, usually in the mid-range of each gear. It is not present
>during very light acceleration, but every time the gas pedal is depressed
>even a decent amount, it can be heard. It is definitely not the engine
>pinging, because I can notice that at different times. And the clicking
>cannot be heard in neutral.
>
>Does anyone have any other thoughts on this? I am by no means an
>automotive expert, so I was hoping somebody here would know something
>about this. My usual mechanic, who has been very trustworthy in the past,
>seems to write this off as just being a ten year old pickup with a few
>ten-year old pickup problems. However, being that this clicking started
>all of a sudden, I would like to think it can be ended all of a sudden
>too, so I am not giving up. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Luke Schreier
>89 F-150 I6 4x4
>
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Jim Cannon
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'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:51:48 -0700
From: "Bud Dean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception

Thanks all,

I'm in SoCal...in checking all the responses, I believe I am in some serious
need. My FM is ok(mind you, I didn't say great)..as far as am goes, it's
awfully weak...guess I'll start with the antennae and cable and go from
there...sounds like a new radio is a possibility as well to me...

One other question, maybe this will help...I recently changed my flasher,
and now I can hear it through the radio(sometimes louder than others)...

Does this give any help to diagnosis...

Thanks in advance..

Bud

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From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Giddens, Scott
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 9:56 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception


Those cheap FM signal boosters are worthless, they only amplify what ever
you are currently hearing including the static. The time to use one is if
your radio can pick up a signal most of the time but cuts out at certain
locations. Other than that only the much more expensive ones with noise
reduction work and they reduce frequency response.

The antenna is what is important. A good antenna is the heart of any radio.
30 inches is close to the middle of the FM dial. The formula for finding the
correct length is 936/f (in MHz) = wavelength in feet. Then divide the
wavelength by 4 and multiply it by 12 to convert to inches. So if your
favorite station is 100 MHz on the FM dial you would do this:
936/100/4x12=28.08 inches, or about 28-1/16 inches. The reason you divide
the wavelength by 4 is to obtain resonance at wavelength which is the peak
of the signal. wavelength antennas require a good ground so if your
antenna wire(or coax) shield is not grounded at the fender mount you will
suffer poor reception.

The brand of radio you buy is important also, look at the specifications
before you buy it and pick one with the best FM sensitivity. The lower the
number the better the reception. I purchase the Pioneer SuperTuner models.
They are better designed for FM reception. You can buy better units that are
better in other aspects, but if you listen to your FM radio a lot or travel
off road, like I do, you need good FM sensitivity.

The cheap FM signal boosters are not a replacement for an antenna. If you
can't fix/replace the existing antenna you should mount a new one where you
can.

Scott




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From:Ken Raymond [SMTP:capnken ma.ultranet.com]
Sent:Thursday, July 05, 1990 1:47 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception

Hey Bud, I read one reply to your query that said FM
stations don't need an antenna, this is not true and he is a
moron. How far away from you are the FM stations you listen
to? Hills and mountains make a difference too, they can
block or partially block reception on the other side. If the
stations you listen to are lets say 40 or 50 miles distant
you probably need a signal booster. there are different
manufacturers of these and of course you get what you pay
for, but you will want to have at least 10 dB gain more is
better in this case. follow the installation instructions
that come with whatever device you decide on. also most
radios have an antenna tuning adjustment that is usually a
small screw head some where on the radio (you will have to
remove the radio for this) and this should be marked, might
say ant. or ant. trim or tun, something like that. This
little adjustment can make a big difference. Of course you
should make sure that your antenna is connected properly (no
breaks or cracks in the coax) that your antenna is firmly
attached to the fender (ground) and for FM reception your
antenna should be around 30 inches. hope this helps


Ken Raymond
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bud Dean
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, May 22, 1999 10:28 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception


>I know this has been asked before. I searched the archives
with no
>success....
>
>Anyway, I have a '92 f250 5.8L with a standard amfm
cassette. radio
>reception has always been poor at best. I recall someone
mentioned a signal
>booster from Wal-Mart?
>
>Could someone please enlighten me as to the steps to take,
grounding etc. to
>check the radio, and what kind of signal booster and where
to attach same..
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Bud Dean
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:21:09 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Knocking and pinging and missing

Well the knocking and pinging has definately gotten to my truck. To recap
what has happened over the last few days...

The engine has been running perfectly until a few days ago when I started
to get a miss now and then. Not a continous miss, just a stumble.

Well I figured the most likely, and easiest thing to try was to replace the
spark plug wires. I bought a set from Autozone - double silicone - supposed
to be the best ones they have. Well immediately after I installed them, the
truck started to knock and ping on hills and then almost continuously at
about 65 mph.

Today I filled one tank with 92 octane gas just to see if that would help -
it did not. Then I took someone on here's advice and made sure all the
wires were separated and could not be cross-firing. I drove it around home
a little and figured I had it solved.

Well tonight I started to head to West Virginia to my fiance's and got 10
miles down the freeway and she started to knocking again and then lost
power bad and would not run in overdrive. I turned around and made it back
home ok and am now sitting here wondering what to do next.

I checked the vacuum on the engine at idle and it is right up there around
20 inches. Idle seems ok, but a little rough. When I rev it up from the
thottle body it seems to stumble around and miss, but not a definate dead
cylinder.

The only thing that has been changed are the plug wires, so I am assuming
they are the trouble. I think I will go to NAPA and get their best set
tomorrow and try them. I don't see what else could have changed all of a
sudden to make the engine run so rotten.

Anyone have any other advice, other than to stick to diesels?

Specs: 1988, F-150, 302, 5-speed


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:25:47 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Radio reception

>Thanks all,
>
>I'm in SoCal...in checking all the responses, I believe I am in some serious
>need. My FM is ok(mind you, I didn't say great)..as far as am goes, it's
>awfully weak...guess I'll start with the antennae and cable and go from
>there...sounds like a new radio is a possibility as well to me...
>
>One other question, maybe this will help...I recently changed my flasher,
>and now I can hear it through the radio(sometimes louder than others)...
>
>Does this give any help to diagnosis...
>
>Thanks in advance..

My FM is great, but on AM I can hear my flasher, my brake lights, my
heater, my wipers and my spark plugs. It is a good Kenwood, but older as I....


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