80-96-list-digest Thursday, May 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 141



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - OK Brake guys...what's next?
FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 F150 Emissions
Re: FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question
FTE 80-96 - wheels
FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake repair
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake repair
FTE 80-96 - K&N Airfilters
FTE 80-96 - To the Brake guys!
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 ford f150
RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Airfilters
Re: FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - wheels
FTE 80-96 - back on list
Re: FTE 80-96 - swapping for solid axles

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:42:51 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - OK Brake guys...what's next?

Did you check your alignment?

- -----Original Message-----
From:Dave Harmier [SMTP:dharmier gte.net]
Sent:Tuesday, May 18, 1999 6:29 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - OK Brake guys...what's next?

Found Gabrial Gas Ryder LT's at Autozone...like 'em so far.
Got rear brake shoes at Hi-Lo/O'Reilly, like them so far.
Checked my calipers (Made DARN sure they could move
about freely) and they release a bit after each press of the pedal.
My right side Autozone Carbon Metallic Pads are slightly more worn
than my left side pads, but look normal..and rotors look fine.

Each front wheel moves about as easy after a brake application.

The darn thing STILL pulls right (tugs the steering wheel...not rear
problem)
And doesn't do it the same every time.

I'm stumped!!! Although I am happy my rear brakes are doing their part
again!

What now???

Also, my sisters '89 Toyota Corolla, neede a starter. I let a shop do it!!!
Too DARN much trouble for a do it yourselfer!!!!!!

Dave H.
Houston (Hot, Hot, Hot) Texas
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: rpili west.raytheon.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question

Hi All,

I just signed up to the list in digest mode and have a question about keeping a
E4OD cool when towing. Here is alittle history on the tranny, its in a 90
extended E350 with a FI 460 with Banks headers and exhaust and a Banks tranny
shift electronics (Trancommand), 4.11 rear end, tranny temp gauge and the
biggest tranny cooler I could find (28000 lb). The last two trips to Vegas
pulling a 28ft Toybox Trailer (5000 lbs full of fluid, 9000 lbs with jeep in it)
it blew the front seal and puked all its ATF going up Bakers Grade (15 + mile at
least 6% grade). I had it towed to Vegas and rebuilt by the same shop each time
(second time under warrantee). The temp gauge was added after the last rebuild
and on the way home it ran at least 280 deg F on each hill, after which I pulled
over to let it cool. I always tow in 3 rd (not OD) and it pulls fine until the
temp get hot. Driving around solo (no trailer) in San Diego and Orange County
it gets to 240 deg F on some of the hills. I had a local tranny shop check the
oil cooling lines, radiator tranny cooler, external tranny cooler, tranny oil
pump and the converter lock up and everything checks out, there is no kinks in
the line, the oil flows freely etc.

Naturally, I wont tow with it till I feel confident it will not over heat. I
have a few of questions:

1. What is going on in the tranny that generates so much heat?
2. What can I do to keep the ATF cool? I understand the temp should be around
engine coolant temp (180 to 212 deg F) under all conditions except when going up
hill towing where it might hit 250 deg F maximum temp.
3. Can I put two or three tranny coolers in series?

I'd appreciate any help here and if this is the wrong list to ask this question
let me know and I'll unsubscribe.

TIA

Ray

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:37:23 -0400
From: "KA"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 82 F150 Emissions

Gary Perry wrote:
> Hi Guys/Gals etc.
> I bought the F150 recently and am having a nightmare trying to get
> the truck through emissions... The truck originally came with a straight
six but
> this blew up and was replaced by a 302 from an 84 Mustang. The hoses
> were not connected up correctly and first pass through the test gave
> passes on the actual emissions but failure on Evap hoses and Pressure
> test.

I can certainly sympathize, as it took me four tries to pass emissions (in
Atlanta, GA) after the underhood fire (a story for another time) removed
all the wiring and vacuum lines on my 82 F150 w/300 straight-six (186,000
miles).

Sounds like failing the "Pressure Test" may refer to an unsealed fuel
system - in the old days, gas tanks and carbs were vented to the
atmosphere. In my 82 truck, vent lines run from the gas tank and from the
carb to a carbon canister on the passenger side of the engine compartment.
A single vacuum line (evap hose?) pulls fumes from the canister into the
intake. So although there are heaps of vacuum lines to torture you, there
are probably only a couple needing attention (since you say that the actual
tailpipe emissions are within spec). Many of the vacuum lines just serve
trivial purposes. For example, four of the melted vacuum lines in my truck
connected to a temperature sender on the themostat housing that modified
the vacuum to the distributor when the truck got hot (so if the engine
begins to run hot at idle, idle speed is increased to improve coolant
circulation).

So - if your gas cap seals, your tank is vented to a carbon canister, the
carb (if you still have one) is vented to the carbon canister, any extra
fittings on the canister are plugged, and there is a vacuum line (not
clogged up) connecting the intake to the canister, then you ought to pass.


Ken A

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:02:31 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question

You already have a trans cooler...did you install it or is factory?
Where is it located?

Have you thought of using a synthetic? I would recommend it!

B&M makes a finned aluminum pan with drain plug, and an extra 3 quart
capacity. Summit carries them for about $190. This will give more
cooling, easier to change fluid and looks cool also!

Check your owners manual or speak with a reputable tranny shop but i
think it is recommended to leave the E4OD in OD when you tow. But thats
on the lighter duty trucks I am not sure about yours!

Other little things to keep in mind if you foot is just barely resting
on the brake pedal or if you have your 4 ways on this unlocks the
converter allowing it slip and generate heat!

How much difference did the Transcommand make...I used a B&M kit on mine
and love it! I have heard good things about the Banks just wondering
what your kind of experience you had with it!

Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:40:13 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: FTE 80-96 - wheels

I have an 86 F-150, with a 4 inch lift. I bought some new 32 11.50's
and I am shopping for a set of rims. I tow a 24 foot pontoon boat, as
well as use the truck for off road use. What is the minimum weight
limit I should look for in a wheel?
Thanks in advance,
Ed



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:19:05 -0500
From: "Waddell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake repair

Has anyone on the list made repair to their parking brakes? Are the cables
that go into the rear wheels a dealer replacement part? thanks for any
input.

Larry


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:39:22 -0400
From: "Todd Schiller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake repair

You can get them from NAPA a lot cheaper.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Waddell
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:20 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake repair


>Has anyone on the list made repair to their parking brakes? Are the cables
>that go into the rear wheels a dealer replacement part? thanks for any
>input.
>
> Larry
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:00:54 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N Airfilters

I am wondering how much difference there is between an 86 302, and an 88
302, in the F-150's. I am trying to get rid of my airbox, and go with a
Generation 2 Air Filtration System. I have called Airaid and K&N
directly, and they say that the earliest setup they have for F-150's is
1988. They say they have a replacement filter that goes into the
existing box, but I don't understand what I would be saving in that
setup. I have the airbox that has 2 rubber hoses that go directly into
the Plenum. If I was to buy a system for an 88, would it work?
Thanks,
Ed Saunders

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:25:52 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - To the Brake guys!

Tire pressure each front tire (now on rear) 35 psi exactly.
Tires show some feathering of tread blocks, but no real wear (gotta love
them BFG's!)
The radius arm bushings should be replaced, but don't look too bad.
In one hard stop today, it stopped well, and straight!
Thursday I make my trek about 70 miles north to drag back
my 350 gallon tank trailer...stopping that has been fun.....
We'll see what tomorrow brings!!!

I must say, today it drove as if 100,000 miles were never used....
Last time anything felt that much improved, was when I got new tires on
our last truck, an '88 F-150 I-6, 5 spd.

Dave H.
Houston
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:26:19 CDT
From: "Dave Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 ford f150

Ford trucks seem to have a problem of sucking air after you break abouve
150k. ONe way to check is to start the truck, and then put your hand over
the exhaust pipe. If you feel that the pipe is about to suck your hand in,
you have a potential problem. Also, watch your oil consumtion. Fords also
have tendancy to get progressive blow-by, another major problem.


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:41:59 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - K&N Airfilters

Ed, I have an '85 302 EFI with the same dual hose into the throttle body
setup. I wanted a K & N filter setup for mine but they didn't have any so
right now I am currently looking at designing my own using the conical
shaped K & N filters. Just trying now figuring out how to design the setup
and if emissions will be happy with it.

Anyone else use homemade setups for their intakes?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Edward Saunders [SMTP:pucker21 usit.net]
> Sent:Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:01 PM
> To:Ford 86-96
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - K&N Airfilters
>
> I am wondering how much difference there is between an 86 302, and an 88
> 302, in the F-150's. I am trying to get rid of my airbox, and go with a
> Generation 2 Air Filtration System. I have called Airaid and K&N
> directly, and they say that the earliest setup they have for F-150's is
> 1988. They say they have a replacement filter that goes into the
> existing box, but I don't understand what I would be saving in that
> setup. I have the airbox that has 2 rubber hoses that go directly into
> the Plenum. If I was to buy a system for an 88, would it work?
> Thanks,
> Ed Saunders
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:43:12 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New to List - E4OD Cooling Question

I had a similiar problem towing over here in jersey up in the
moutains with my bass boat,people,gear and fuel around the 4500-5000lbs The
trucks capable of 6750 so i'm withing limits...I have the factory tow package
including trans cooler.I also was running a lil hot on the hills never had a
break down or a problem (yet) with the heat but in time i know i would
...What i did is installed a hyper chip and had to drop the thermostat to 160
degree's to keep it from pinging to death and while i was solving the pinging
problem i was also solving the heat problem and didn't even know it now she
always runs around 160 and not only is it more peppy but i get a lil bit
better gas mileage so maybe you should look into a lower thermostat
especially out in the west with them high temps to begin with .........ding
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:47:48 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wheels

>I have an 86 F-150, with a 4 inch lift. I bought some new 32 11.50's
>and I am shopping for a set of rims. I tow a 24 foot pontoon boat, as
>well as use the truck for off road use. What is the minimum weight
>limit I should look for in a wheel?
>Thanks in advance,
>Ed
>

I have 32's on my stock height 88 F-150. How do they look on your's with
your 4" lift? I am wondering if the 32's will look ok, or would 35's look
better? I am not meaning to put down your truck at all- just wondering how
the 32's fill out the fenders with the lift.


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:23:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - back on list

Well the old 83 ran the entire 670 miles of the road home without dying
or doing the no start drill. I did whack the front end pretty bad on a
huge chunk of concrete. (bent the beam, and broke the tie rod, blew
out both front tires, happened in canada, so State farm is denying my
claim, can't blame them though) both *new* front tires are eaten up and
I now have the dreaded ford front end disease. It does give me a good
excuse to look for a solid front axle (course I have been looking for a
year now, and havn't found anyone willing to part with one)

Other than trashing the front end, the trip was fun. Saw some nice 50
yard dumptrucks. They had a ring gear out of one of the rearends. I
could fit through it! (I am about 6'3", 275lbs....) THe tires on those
things are a good 10 feet tall.

Question... For anybody that has swapped out the D44 for a D60 up
front, could you use the same drive shaft?. What about u-joint size
and such?

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:55:25 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - swapping for solid axles

>Well the old 83 ran the entire 670 miles of the road home without dying
>or doing the no start drill. I did whack the front end pretty bad on a
>huge chunk of concrete. (bent the beam, and broke the tie rod, blew
>out both front tires, happened in canada, so State farm is denying my
>claim, can't blame them though) both *new* front tires are eaten up and
>I now have the dreaded ford front end disease. It does give me a good
>excuse to look for a solid front axle (course I have been looking for a
>year now, and havn't found anyone willing to part with one)

Ok... anyone out there replaced their F-150 independent front end with a
Dana 44 solid axle from a pre-80 truck? How about the same with a 3/4 ton
and a Dana 44 or 60?

If it were not too difficult, this would be a nice swap.


Blake
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