80-96-list-digest Thursday, May 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 134



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Off to Pigeon Forge
FTE 80-96 - 460 CI Engine - are exhaust manifolds off 1997 EFI 460 fit a 1987 carbureted 460 ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
FTE 80-96 - Speedometer cable....
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 F-150 Warped Rotors and Other Problems
FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?
FTE 80-96 - RE: 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
RE: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
FTE 80-96 - Here is a good source for Headers and other performance upgrades
Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Ford "Owners" web site soon to support older vehicles.
FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs
RE: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
FTE 80-96 - Suspension Systems
RE: FTE 80-96 - Suspension Systems
Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals
Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs
FTE 80-96 - Correction: ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs
Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Re: big block blues
Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?
FTE 80-96 - C6 2nd Gear Starts

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 06:45:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Off to Pigeon Forge

We're off to the 21st Annual F100 Supernationals in Pigeon
Forge, Tennessee. List make will be retrieved daily (bringing
the laptop) but questions to the admin or requests will not
be answered until Monday, May 17th unless its an emergency.

In addition to meeting many of the FTE's we're making this
a vacation for the wife and myself (grandmother is coming over
to watch the kids) so if anyone who shows up is willing to
watch the table for an hour or so it would really be appreciated.

We're bringing FTE t-shirts and window stickers with us in
case you want one. Also, if you've driven your Ford truck to
the show, please see us at the FTE / Georgia LoRider area --
we're giving away a free static window sticker to all FTEs
who drive their truck. Trucks with an FTE static sticker will
be judged for a "Best of Show" trophy that we're bringing
(its a nice trophy!). Any year/model is acceptable for
judging. Additionally, we're giving out free tickets to
FTE members -- there will be a "door prize" of a t-shirt,
window sticker, FTE email address and web space (email address
and web space will be for one year).

Lastly, we've been pretty slack with getting the prize packs
(a free t-shirt and email address for one year) to those who
submitted a design last fall. If you're one of the people
who submitted a design, please see us at the show or email
us your address (I know, I know... we asked for this before
but we lost the information).

See ya there, we're leaving now.....

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:16:56 -0400
From: "Walt Scudder"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 CI Engine - are exhaust manifolds off 1997 EFI 460 fit a 1987 carbureted 460 ?

I have a 1987 motorhome (built on e350 chassis & powered by 460 carbureated
engine. There was a chronic (Ford design flaw) problem w/ exhaust manifold
bolts snapping (MY86 to 89). Problem is supposedly caused by Ford using
wrong alloy for bolts that hold manifold to block + actual exhaust manifold
alloy allowed it to expand too much and stress & fatigue bolts until they
snap.

Fix is to use proper bolts - and I'm told to totally aleviate problem (fix
it so it doesn't happen again) to replace 87 manifolds with later model ones
(after MY89). Later manifolds are made from different alloy that doesn't
expand as much when hot and doesn't stress bolts.

I have opportunity to get a set of exhaust manifolds off of a 1997 EFI 460
engine. Does anyone know if these are interchangeable w/my 87's? One
dealer told me that the bolt patterns are the same - but he was not too sure
of the outlet angles and whether or not they will match up w/my 87's.
Before I buy the 97 manifold's - I'd like to make sure they will mate up
w/rest of my exhaust system.

Any help or words of wisdom would be most appreciated

Email me wscudder ieee.org

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:43:14 -0500
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Jim,

I don't drive a lot, but it seemed I was having to turn the rotors every
couple of months. I agree turning rotors that aren't warped or scarred is
a waste. The rotors were too thin to turn the final time. As for the
caliper sticking in the mounting bracket, I considered that after they
warped the first time. I checked the clearances with a feeler gage, and
filed down a few burrs on the mating parts. My truck uses the metal
encased rubber, V shaped locking bars, and I even put a light coat of
grease on them and the mating parts to no avail. I did all this before a
4100 mile round trip (all interstate), and the rotors were warped before I
got to my destination! Whatever the cause, the $60 I spent on new rotors
is the best $60 I have spent yet! (knock on wood!)

Danny

>Turning rotors or drums DOES reduce thickness and mass and make them more
>prone to warping. I do not routinly turn drums or rotors every time I
>replace shoes or pads. I only turn them when they need it.
>
>Sticking front brake caliper mechanism will also generate enough excess
>heat to warp even new rotors. I do not mean sticking piston in the caliper.
>I mean the whole floating caliper setup sticks (does not slide freely) on
>the mounting brackets on the front spindles.
>
>Perhaps when you installed the new rotors from Auto Zone, you also cleaned
>this area up better than it was and freed the caliper up. That and new
>rotors would be good news all around.
>
>At 06:32 20/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Richard,
>>
>>I had this problem on my 90, and it got to the point where the rotors would
>>warp every 2000 miles. I suspect that as the rotors are turned, they are
>>more likely to warp, as they have less mass to disipate heat. I replaced
>>my rotors with ones from Auto Zone for $30 each, and so far it has solved
>>the problem. I guess time (mileage?) will tell.
>>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:44:59 -0500
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

I always use my torque wrench, and tighten to 100 ft. lbs. in a star shaped
pattern as per the manual.

Danny

At 09:56 PM 5/11/99 EDT, you wrote:
>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:36:07 -0600
From: "Barnaby Duncan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speedometer cable....

I finally managed to get the local FORD dealer to cough up the right part
for replacing my speedometer cable.

I also remember several posts concerning lubricating these prior to
installation.
I can't remember the details though. Should I use light machine oil (3in1)
or
graphite?

I hope to do this Thursday night

Barnaby

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:01:28 -0500
From: Danny Metz
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 F-150 Warped Rotors and Other Problems

OK, here is one for those of you who have seen it all! I bought a new 1993
F-250 XL in November 1992. This was my company truck, and when I picked it
up from the dealership, I noticed a pulsation in the brake pedal and a
vibration in the rear end when I applied the brakes. I took it back to the
dealership no less than 6 times in a 4 month period. They turned the rear
drums, they replaced the rear drums, they adjusted the pinion angle, and
finally gave up. They were contacted by Ford and told to do nothing
further until a cure was found, because many F-250's and F-350's were
experiencing the same thing. Several months went by, and I got a letter
from the dealership to bring the truck in. They wanted to replace the
WHEELS!! It seems there was a manufacturing problem during the stamping
operation, and several of the lug nut holes were stamped in the wrong
location! The wheel still fit onto the lugs, but when tightened, they
warped the drums! The wheels were replaced, and the problem disappeared.

Danny


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:51:14 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?

Hi,

I have a cracked exhaust manifold and haven't had any luck finding a used
one at the junk yards. A new one goes for $150 CND (100 US), so I was
thinking of getting a set of headers. But I don't want to do a complete
exhaust, so am wondering if there are shorty style headers available for
5.0L F250 4x4.

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:42:41 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Turning warped rotors tends to be a lost cause. The high heat generated
during braking hardens some areas of the rotor more than others. After
turning the rotor will just warp again due to the uneven hardness. Grab
your wallet and put on new rotors. I prefer to never turn rotors, even if
they are grooved a bit. Follow the suggestions for preventing heating the
rotors.

Larry


Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:59:48 -0400
From: Richard Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Howdy All,

I have a 1992 F-150 and the brake rotors keep warping. From what I have
heard, this is a very common problem on these trucks. Has anyone found a
solution to this problem (I don't consider turning the rotors once a year
to be a solution). I thought about getting a high performance brake system
(Baer and such) but I would have to switch to a 16 inch wheel. That's not
out of the picture but I would like to keep the stock wheels. Any
information you have to offer would be appreciated.

Richard Anderson

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:55:23 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

Help!
on my way to work this mourning my brake pedal went all the way to the
floor with very little braking power. I checked under the truck for
leaking fluid and there was none,I also checked the fluid reservoir and
it is full(I checked/topped it off last week). Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks in Advance
Eric
1989 F150 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp I6

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:13:45 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

Without any additional information, I would have to say that your master
cylinder is shot and is allowing fluid to move between the front and back
sections. The fact that you have some braking suggests that the front brakes
are not working but that you have the rears only. Around here (NJ) you
cannot buy brake cylinder rebuild kits to do it yourself and have to take
your chances on a commercial rebuilt unit or go for new.

Mike

Eric Sneed wrote:

> Help!
> on my way to work this mourning my brake pedal went all the way to the
> floor with very little braking power. I checked under the truck for
> leaking fluid and there was none,I also checked the fluid reservoir and
> it is full(I checked/topped it off last week). Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Eric
> 1989 F150 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp I6
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:17:32 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

Eric Sneed wrote:
>
> Help!
> on my way to work this mourning my brake pedal went all the way to the
> floor with very little braking power. I checked under the truck for
> leaking fluid and there was none,I also checked the fluid reservoir and
> it is full(I checked/topped it off last week). Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
First guess is a bad master cylinder. If you step gently, does it go
down, but if you stopmp the pedal it doesn't? That would be a sign. Also
try this: Step on the pedal firmly until it stops, hold your foot there
applying the same pressure. If the pedal goes down, it's the master
cylinder.

You can rebuild an M/C, but for a couple of bucks more, you can gt one
rebuilt alreadt at NAPA or Canadian Tire or some such place.

It isn't all that terrible to replace, either, but you'll likely wind up
busting a nut (on the brakelines ;-) so be prepared to replace them too.
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Andre
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:17:02 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?

>Hi,
>
>I have a cracked exhaust manifold and haven't had any luck finding a used
>one at the junk yards. A new one goes for $150 CND (100 US), so I was
>thinking of getting a set of headers. But I don't want to do a complete
>exhaust, so am wondering if there are shorty style headers available for
>5.0L F250 4x4.
>
>Thanks.
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I just ordered a set for my 88 F-150 from JBA at 800-830-3377
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jbaracing.com/headers/default.htm . I think they were the same
for the 250. They are supposed to bolt up to the original manifolds. Mine
are due to arrive here tomorrow.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
See my new site dedicated to preserving the Big Muskie,
the largest moving land machine on earth!
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:39:34 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

>>
>>At 21:56 11/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
>
>100 ft-lbs on half tons

Yo Gang:

The specs in my Ford manuals say 90 ft/lbs for the 1/2" lug studs and 100 ft/lbs
for the 5/8" studs. I think the 5/8" studs were used only on F250 HDs and
F350s. If you can find (reliable) specs for your truck, use those.

Also important is torqueing the bolts in a "cross" pattern so that you apply the
force evenly to the hub/rotor. Personally, I'd never let a shop use an impact
wrench to tighten the lug nuts up to the torque spec. I always insist that they
hand torque the lug nuts.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:54:10 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

You are dating yourself, Dave. Most shops around here use "torque sticks" - color
coded slightly flexible extension sockets that go on the impact wrench and do not
allow more than the specified torque to be applied, regardless of the setting on the
impact wrench. It is the old style impact wrenches with plain sockets that you have
to watch out for.

Mike

Dave Resch wrote:

> >>
> >>At 21:56 11/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
> >>>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
> >
> >100 ft-lbs on half tons
>
> Yo Gang:
>
> The specs in my Ford manuals say 90 ft/lbs for the 1/2" lug studs and 100 ft/lbs
> for the 5/8" studs. I think the 5/8" studs were used only on F250 HDs and
> F350s. If you can find (reliable) specs for your truck, use those.
>
> Also important is torqueing the bolts in a "cross" pattern so that you apply the
> force evenly to the hub/rotor. Personally, I'd never let a shop use an impact
> wrench to tighten the lug nuts up to the torque spec. I always insist that they
> hand torque the lug nuts.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:55:59 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Here is a good source for Headers and other performance upgrades

A good source for headers and other performance upgrades is:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckperformance.com/
they have a nice web site, and a catalog is also available.
Truck Performance Center
23052-D Alcalde Drive
Laguna Hills,
California 92653
Toll Free: (800)719-8100
Tel: (949) 598-8285 * FAX (949) 598-8294

Todd

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>Hi,
>
>I have a cracked exhaust manifold and haven't had any luck finding a used
>one at the junk yards. A new one goes for $150 CND (100 US), so I was
>thinking of getting a set of headers. But I don't want to do a complete
>exhaust, so am wondering if there are shorty style headers available for
>5.0L F250 4x4.
>
>Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:14:05 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

>First guess is a bad master cylinder. If you step gently, does it go
>down, but if you stopmp the pedal it doesn't? That would be a sign. Also
>try this: Step on the pedal firmly until it stops, hold your foot there
>applying the same pressure. If the pedal goes down, it's the master
>cylinder.
>
>You can rebuild an M/C, but for a couple of bucks more, you can gt one
>rebuilt alreadt at NAPA or Canadian Tire or some such place.
>

I have been through 4 rebuilt master cylinders for our F-250 diesel and the
pedal still drifts when held down. There are no leaks anywhere and
everything is is good. I have one more master cylinder here to try. The
parts store keeps exchanging them.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:22:09 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford "Owners" web site soon to support older vehicles.

Hi all,

I just recieved an e-mail from Ford that I thought I'd pass on to the group.

I was a bit miffed a few weeks ago, over the fact that older vehicles were
not supported in the Ford "Owners" web site, and fired off an e-mail to that
effect. I am pleased to report that older Ford vehicles will soon be
supported. Attached is that e-mail exchange.

Oh yea, the web site in question is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ownerconnection.com/

and for more info on this site, go here:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ownerconnection.com/aboutpublic.asp

Todd

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From: McMahon, Todd R. [mailto:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 1:50 PM
To: 'webmaster ford.com'
Subject: A question about the "Owners" site...

Hi there,

I was just at the "Owners" site, and tried to register - but was unable
to...

My VIN # is: 2FTJW35G7JCA45957

The vehicle is a 1988 Ford F350... is it too old to be included on this
"Owners" site? Or is it an error of some kind? The error message is
telling me that the VIN is not for a Ford vehicle - . It may have
been built in CANADA, but it is still a FORD.

If the problem is something else, shouldn't the error message at least be a
bit more accurate?

Thanks for your time...

Todd McMahon
tmcmahon anacomp.com

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Dear Mr. McMahon,

Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.

Please accept our apology for the circumstances you described regarding your
VIN number not being recognized by our System. Unfortunately, the VIN you
have specified belongs to a model line before 1990. We will be expanding our
database by July 1, 1999 to include all Ford, Mercury and Lincoln vehicles
manufactured since 1983.

In the interim, if you require additional assistance, please contact us
toll-free at 1-800-392-3673; one of our Customer Service Representatives
will be happy to assist you between the hours of 8:00AM to 5:00PM, Monday
through Friday.

Sincerely,

Ford Motor Company
Customer Assistance Center
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:17:00 -0500
From: "clay"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs

Hi all,
I recently installed a rancho lift on my 1980 f-150, the rear went
fine it raised the vehicle approximately 4 inches while the front was only
raised two, i believe this due to the fact that the coil springs are worn
out, yes the lift was used. my question is just how much do the coil
springs raise the vehicle, is this the only method of lift for the front
end or do the drop down brackets have something to do with this? Such as 2
inches from the coils and 2 from the brackets? Everything else went pretty
smooth besides i havent lowered the T-case yet but oh well another day
soon.




thanks in advance
clay in Fl


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:24:53 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Mike,

You are showing your inexperience. Torque limiters (torque sticks) are not
as accurate as a hand torque wrench. They only use them to speed things up
and reduce their liability if a wheel falls off. My guess is it allows them
to hire kids who don't know how to properly use a torque wrench. Torque
limiters also do not provide a readout of the actual torque applied. They
are only required to meet a wide range of torque values and are not
guaranteed to meet a specific torque value. I am sure Dave knows about them
just like the rest of us who understand the importance getting the correct
torque and being able to see it on the indicator dial. Don't get me wrong,
we use torque limiting devices all the time in the aerospace industry, but
we still use hand turned handles to operate them. Think about it for a
minute, putting a torque limiting device on the end of a hammering impact
wrench that induces shock loads should give you a clue as to it's
reliability. They must be calibrated on a regular basis and until they are
there is no way to know unless you check them with a metered hand torque
wrench. What happens to the guys who got their lugs tightened when the
torque limiter was not calibrated or was knocked out of calibration long
before the calibration date arrived?

I agree with Dave, I prefer to hand torque lugs because it is my life and
the life of my family that is riding on them. Not to mention the cost of the
repairs if the rotor gets warped or a stud breaks off. You can call me dated
too if you like but don't assume we are ignorant of shop equipment. You only
show your own naivet

Scott

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From:Mike Sloane [SMTP:msloane att.net]
Sent:Wednesday, May 12, 1999 9:54 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

You are dating yourself, Dave. Most shops around here use "torque sticks" -
color
coded slightly flexible extension sockets that go on the impact wrench and
do not
allow more than the specified torque to be applied, regardless of the
setting on the
impact wrench. It is the old style impact wrenches with plain sockets that
you have
to watch out for.

Mike

Dave Resch wrote:

> >>
> >>At 21:56 11/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
> >>>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
> >
> >100 ft-lbs on half tons
>
> Yo Gang:
>
> The specs in my Ford manuals say 90 ft/lbs for the 1/2" lug studs and 100
ft/lbs
> for the 5/8" studs. I think the 5/8" studs were used only on F250 HDs and
> F350s. If you can find (reliable) specs for your truck, use those.
>
> Also important is torqueing the bolts in a "cross" pattern so that you
apply the
> force evenly to the hub/rotor. Personally, I'd never let a shop use an
impact
> wrench to tighten the lug nuts up to the torque spec. I always insist
that they
> hand torque the lug nuts.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:11:28 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Suspension Systems

I am an avid off road racing fan, as many of you may know by now. Ford
rules off road racing by the way if you didn't already know. Ford trucks
are the easiest and cheapest vehicles to install improved suspension
systems. (trucks prior to 1997). All that needs to be done on these
trucks is to purchase longer coil springs and longer radius arms, longer
shocks, and then go to an alignment shop and have your beams aligned. This
works for 4x4 TTB both Ranger and Full size, as well as 2x4 of both sizes
as well. In the back usually an add-a-leaf or a block will do. By having
your beams "aligned" your front ent keeps its stock geometry, stock
mounting locations and no drop down brackets for your beams or for the
radius arms. Beam "alignment" is a procedure in which your TTB beams or
2wd beams are bent to allow for desired lift and results in added travel.
Drop down brackets provided for in many aftermarket lift kits reduce
stability, and do not exist on any serious off road racer or pre-runner
truck. Not many front end shops perform this procedure however. The only
ones I am aware of are in the El Cahon, CA area. (Off Road Capital of the
World) There are suspension companies however that will sell you beams
that have been aligned in return for your core. This type of suspension
upgrade retains the durability of your chassis while gaining lift, extended
travel, and a great ride for less than an aftermarket lift kit.

Just thought I would share my insight.

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:15:42 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Suspension Systems

Jerry:

Not to be picky, but it's "El Cajon, CA" (which is however pronounced like:
El Cahon)...!

;-)

Todd

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.... Not many front end shops perform this procedure however. The only
ones I am aware of are in the El Cahon, CA area. (Off Road Capital of the
World)
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:54:45 -0700
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?

Another option you might want to explore is welding the crack (depending on
where it is located).

Use nickel based rod. Drill a hole in each end of the crack. Bevel the
crack. Preheat the manifold. Weld short (1") sections at a time and peen the
snot out of the weld. After your done welding, keep the manifold out of
drafts and allow it to cool slowly.

Dennis

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From: Greg Carter
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 6:59 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?


>Hi,
>
>I have a cracked exhaust manifold and haven't had any luck finding a used
>one at the junk yards. A new one goes for $150 CND (100 US), so I was
>thinking of getting a set of headers. But I don't want to do a complete
>exhaust, so am wondering if there are shorty style headers available for
>5.0L F250 4x4.
>
>Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:32:09 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs

Clay,

Find this information and you might answer your own questions.

How high was the lift suppose to do? (what did you buy)
What type of lift is on the rear? Blocks or an add-a-leaf?
What did the lift come off of? (Could have been a lighter truck)
How old is the lift or what abuse/mileage have they seen?
Did you put longer shocks on the front? (longer springs => longer shocks)

Make sure it came off a truck the same size with the same size motor. No way
to tell if you have sagging springs without knowing the length of them
before you put them on.

Possible solution would be to remove the blocks from the rear. This may
shift the weight from the front and give you an over all lift of three
inches. Without knowing the above information all anyone could give you
would be a guess at best.

Scott




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From:clay [SMTP:kaeli dfsi.net]
Sent:Wednesday, May 12, 1999 11:17 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs

Hi all,
I recently installed a rancho lift on my 1980 f-150, the rear went
fine it raised the vehicle approximately 4 inches while the front was only
raised two, i believe this due to the fact that the coil springs are worn
out, yes the lift was used. my question is just how much do the coil
springs raise the vehicle, is this the only method of lift for the front
end or do the drop down brackets have something to do with this? Such as 2
inches from the coils and 2 from the brackets? Everything else went pretty
smooth besides i havent lowered the T-case yet but oh well another day
soon.




thanks in advance
clay in Fl


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:04:55 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

if it makes y'all feel any better.. the rotors on my F250 have warped too...
time to replace them!
Bob
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:56:13 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs

Hey Group,
Would I need to replace the rotors to replace a Broken(missing)lug stud
on the front end of a 1989 F150? Also are the studs on the rear attached
to the axle itself? if so how easy is it to replace the studs. I am
missing a stud on the front and the rear of my truck and this concerns
me deeply.

Thanks in advance

Eric
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:17:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals

Hi gang! Just wanted anyone who's attending the Supernationals
to know that we're at the Days Inn, room 208 (you'll see an
FTE window sticker on the hotel room window). Stop by for your
free door prize ticket and a window sticker for your truck (if
you brought it to the show).

Ken Payne
FTE Admin

PS - Keith and Deacon, wish you were here!!

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:59:40 -0400
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?

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From: Greg Carter
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?


>Hi,
>
>I have a cracked exhaust manifold and haven't had any luck finding a used
>one at the junk yards. A new one goes for $150 CND (100 US), so I was
>thinking of getting a set of headers. But I don't want to do a complete
>exhaust, so am wondering if there are shorty style headers available for
>5.0L F250 4x4.
>
>Thanks.


Yes. I installed MAC equal length shorties on my '95 F150 4X4 5.0.
Everything lined up without a problem, and everything has been fine for
about a year. I did have to dimple the drivers side collector about a half
an inch to clear the engine mount.

Matt

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:00:45 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs

no when a stud snaps you need to take a punch and beat the rest of it either
out of the rotor or out of the axel. You can get the replacement ones at any
auto parts store worth a lick. the easiest way to replace it is to put the
new stud into place and seat it using an airgun with the lug nut.. its a
really simple procedure.
if you got four out of five lugs its nothing to panic over the four will
hold until you get the chance to replace the bad one .. Ive driven from NY to
SC with a stud missing
good luck
Bob
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:03:07 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Correction: ADMIN: FTE at the Supernationals

Woops! I meant room 205! Not 208 (luckily, 208 is another
FTE's room).

Ken

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Hi gang! Just wanted anyone who's attending the Supernationals
> to know that we're at the Days Inn, room 208 (you'll see an
> FTE window sticker on the hotel room window). Stop by for your
> free door prize ticket and a window sticker for your truck (if
> you brought it to the show).
>
> Ken Payne
> FTE Admin
>
> PS - Keith and Deacon, wish you were here!!
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:13:19 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 lug nuts and studs

all you need to replace the studs is a hammer to get the old ones out, and a
impact wrench to put the new ones in. use a reg. nut to pull the studs into
place.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:42:42 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rancho coil springs

iv just put rancho 4x4 springs on a 2x4 truck its a play toy not only will i
wear out the front tires but i can jamm through the rough stuff alot better
but this is just a play toy my front stock springs were wasted so i through
these on to try them out and its a lot funner
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:42:11 -0500
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

Blake Malkamaki wrote:
>
> >First guess is a bad master cylinder. If you step gently, does it go
> >down, but if you stopmp the pedal it doesn't? That would be a sign. Also
> >try this: Step on the pedal firmly until it stops, hold your foot there
> >applying the same pressure. If the pedal goes down, it's the master
> >cylinder.
> >
> >You can rebuild an M/C, but for a couple of bucks more, you can gt one
> >rebuilt alreadt at NAPA or Canadian Tire or some such place.
> >
>
> I have been through 4 rebuilt master cylinders for our F-250 diesel and the
> pedal still drifts when held down. There are no leaks anywhere and
> everything is is good. I have one more master cylinder here to try. The
> parts store keeps exchanging them.
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
> Early Oil Well Historian
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AIR IN THE BRAKE LINES...... My old work truck did it once after a brake
job that included a new brake cylinder..... if the master cylinder is
mounted at an angle, you have to bleed that before any type on
installation... I had that problem with a '76 pontiac.
Just a thought!
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:13:29 -0700
From: Moe Gendron
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: big block blues

Hi,
I bought my 302HO crate motor for $2195, w/ duraspark 2, plugs
and wires, SS mustang headers, manual trans. flywheel, RPM Performer
manifold, Heck, it even had a oil filter!
You my have to look around cause the salesman told me that the
302's and all the "old style" motors were bieng discontinued. But
"salesman" always say stuff like that to reel you in.

See Ya'll
Moe
302HO 85 F-150

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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:30:05 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - No Brakes

>AIR IN THE BRAKE LINES...... My old work truck did it once after a brake
>job that included a new brake cylinder..... if the master cylinder is
>mounted at an angle, you have to bleed that before any type on
>installation... I had that problem with a '76 pontiac.
>Just a thought!
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I bled the master cylinder and have run over a quart of fluid through the
lines so the air should be out! I have been driving it this way for 4
months with no change to the drift.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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the largest moving land machine on earth!
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:32:04 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "Shorty" headers - 5.0L F250?

>Yes. I installed MAC equal length shorties on my '95 F150 4X4 5.0.
>Everything lined up without a problem, and everything has been fine for
>about a year. I did have to dimple the drivers side collector about a half
>an inch to clear the engine mount.....

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