80-96-list-digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 133



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
FTE 80-96 - Guages
FTE 80-96 - Re: Tranny Cooler Info
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
FTE 80-96 - truck weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:59:48 -0400
From: Richard Anderson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Howdy All,

I have a 1992 F-150 and the brake rotors keep warping. From what I have
heard, this is a very common problem on these trucks. Has anyone found a
solution to this problem (I don't consider turning the rotors once a year
to be a solution). I thought about getting a high performance brake system
(Baer and such) but I would have to switch to a 16 inch wheel. That's not
out of the picture but I would like to keep the stock wheels. Any
information you have to offer would be appreciated.

Richard Anderson

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:32:27 -0500
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Richard,

I had this problem on my 90, and it got to the point where the rotors would
warp every 2000 miles. I suspect that as the rotors are turned, they are
more likely to warp, as they have less mass to disipate heat. I replaced
my rotors with ones from Auto Zone for $30 each, and so far it has solved
the problem. I guess time (mileage?) will tell.

Danny

At 08:59 AM 5/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Howdy All,
>
>I have a 1992 F-150 and the brake rotors keep warping. From what I have
>heard, this is a very common problem on these trucks. Has anyone found a
>solution to this problem (I don't consider turning the rotors once a year
>to be a solution). I thought about getting a high performance brake system
>(Baer and such) but I would have to switch to a 16 inch wheel. That's not
>out of the picture but I would like to keep the stock wheels. Any
>information you have to offer would be appreciated.
>
>Richard Anderson
>
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>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:18:05 -0700
From: "Tom Higgins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Guages

Hi all,

I know that we've talked about this before but I have a question.
Sometime in the next 6 weeks I will probably be putting in a larger
tranny cooler and a guage for all of the obvious reasons. I am
also going to try and set the guage up so that one guage will
monitor oil and possibly even coolant temperature. Here's my
question. Does anyone have a guage recommendation? I
have noted several possibilities in my new Summit catalog but
would like input from people who have had both good and
bad experiences with the different manufacturers. If this works,
(one guage multiple sending units) I'll let everyone know about
it.

Thanks

Tom in Phoenix

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:13:11 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Tranny Cooler Info

On Mon, 10 May 1999, "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
wrote:
>
> Hey list guys, My 1994 F-350 4x4, 351, crew cab has a stock tranny cooler
> in front of the radiator. I have heard this stock cooler referred to as
> "puny" or quite small for the job. I have a C6 trany. Before upgrading
> this cooler I would like to know just how it is working as is. I am
> considering purchasing and installing a trany oil temperature gauge. I am
> a decent wrench, have experinece in engine building and assembling
> performance mods of all types, suspension, engine etc, but I am quite
> inadequate at electrical projects. Would this gauge install be quite
> difficult? At what point in the oil line should I tap in the sensor?
> Maybe there is a place for the gauge at the trany? That would be too easy
> I am afraid. Should the sensor get the temp of oil coming from the trany
> or going to? Any hints or suggestions are appreciated. Great forum
> guys....

We just had a discussion about this in my automatic transmissions class
with the fellow who comes down from his shop to help. His opinion is
that neither line is a good place because the line going out just came
from the convertor (very hot) and the line coming back has been through
the cooler. Neither of these reflects actual transmission temperature.
The best way, he said, is to braze or epoxy a sender into the pan. I
was asking about a temporary way and he suggested I take the tranny for
a good hard run and point one of those heat sensor guns at the pan. (I
have the same "puny cooler" idea as you, but mine is aftermarket).

So anyway, that is my take on the situation.

Birken
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:15:05 -0700
From: "Mike Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

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From: Danny Metz
To:
Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors


> Richard,
>
> I had this problem on my 90, and it got to the point where the rotors
would
> warp every 2000 miles. I suspect that as the rotors are turned, they are
> more likely to warp, as they have less mass to disipate heat. I replaced
> my rotors with ones from Auto Zone for $30 each, and so far it has solved
> the problem. I guess time (mileage?) will tell.
>
> Danny
>
> At 08:59 AM 5/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Howdy All,
> >
Driving technique can help to prevent warped rotors also. One reason they
warp is uneven cooling - so when you pull off the freeway and come to that
stop light at the end of the on ramp, don't hold the brake pedal down so the
pads stay in the same place on the rotor - inching forward a little every
few seconds helps the heat dissipate a little more evenly.

mike




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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:27:17 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Turning rotors or drums DOES reduce thickness and mass and make them more
prone to warping. I do not routinly turn drums or rotors every time I
replace shoes or pads. I only turn them when they need it.

Sticking front brake caliper mechanism will also generate enough excess
heat to warp even new rotors. I do not mean sticking piston in the caliper.
I mean the whole floating caliper setup sticks (does not slide freely) on
the mounting brackets on the front spindles.

Perhaps when you installed the new rotors from Auto Zone, you also cleaned
this area up better than it was and freed the caliper up. That and new
rotors would be good news all around.

At 06:32 20/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>I had this problem on my 90, and it got to the point where the rotors would
>warp every 2000 miles. I suspect that as the rotors are turned, they are
>more likely to warp, as they have less mass to disipate heat. I replaced
>my rotors with ones from Auto Zone for $30 each, and so far it has solved
>the problem. I guess time (mileage?) will tell.
>
>At 08:59 AM 5/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>Howdy All,
>>
>>I have a 1992 F-150 and the brake rotors keep warping. From what I have
>>heard, this is a very common problem on these trucks. Has anyone found a
>>solution to this problem (I don't consider turning the rotors once a year
>>to be a solution). I thought about getting a high performance brake system
>>(Baer and such) but I would have to switch to a 16 inch wheel. That's not
>>out of the picture but I would like to keep the stock wheels. Any
>>information you have to offer would be appreciated.
>>
>>Richard Anderson
>>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - truck weight

Just to pitch in, I used to work at a scale house and my '84 F-150 I6
19Gal fuel with fiberglass cap and full size bed weighed in at about
4370 with full tank and almost no junk... Sure beats a T-600 with a 53'
refer unit at 34,000# empty!

Alex
84 F-150 I6 (very ill)

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:56:44 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:12:22 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Very true!

At 21:56 11/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:54:17 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

>Very true!
>
>At 21:56 11/05/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>dont over tighten the bolts on the lugs

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:32:06 -0500
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Warped Rotors

Richard Anderson wrote:
>
> Howdy All,
>
> I have a 1992 F-150 and the brake rotors keep warping. From what I have
> heard, this is a very common problem on these trucks. Has anyone found a
> solution to this problem (I don't consider turning the rotors once a year
> to be a solution). I thought about getting a high performance brake system
> (Baer and such) but I would have to switch to a 16 inch wheel. That's not
> out of the picture but I would like to keep the stock wheels. Any
> information you have to offer would be appreciated.
>
Maybe try torqueing the lugs to factory standards with a torque
wrench... I've heard that overtightening can cause that problem!....


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