80-96-list-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 132



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - ball joint selection
RE: FTE 80-96 - intake snorkle
FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info
FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info
FTE 80-96 - Meeting Place
Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?
FTE 80-96 - - Axle Wrap
FTE 80-96 - weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?
FTE 80-96 - big block blues

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ball joint selection

Out of all of my Ford trucks,(3), it seems that there is always a bad front
end part come inspection time, currently I have the ball joint deal to do
on my 85 F250, not a big deal but does anyone have any comments on who makes
the best components (front end) on the market. I have tried Moog, Napa,
no name, etc, but still don't have good luck with longevity. I've been
replacing everything with greasable components but even with regular greasing
they don't seem to hold up. I'm considering Spicer replacement components
because (imho) they make the best u-joints and replacement parts for these
trucks, but these replacements DO NOT have grease fittings, any comments....

thanks,
Steve Thibodeau
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:09:32 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - intake snorkle

Beside the radiator

Eric
89 f150 I6

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Blake Malkamaki [SMTP:blake little-mountain.com]
> Sent:Friday, May 07, 1999 5:20 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - intake snorkle
>
> At 1:57 PM -0500 5/7/99, Delvis Teruel Jr Teruel wrote:
> >Yo Fellas, the airbox on the F-150/250 are the same. Only the intake
> >snorkle is different. I went and got mine from the dealer near me
> >(marysville wa). They had to order it, but it's alot cheaper than the
> >$170 K&N FIPK kit, even if it may not be as effective. I drive 90
> miles
> >a day to work and back so that's extra gas money for me. I hardly
> >off-road any more so ingesting water isn't a real issue for me.
> >
>
> Does anyone know if the 300 -6 uses the over the top air pickup, or
> the
> beside the radiator pickup?
>
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:37:54 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info

Hey list guys, My 1994 F-350 4x4, 351, crew cab has a stock tranny cooler
in front of the radiator. I have heard this stock cooler referred to as
"puny" or quite small for the job. I have a C6 trany. Before upgrading
this cooler I would like to know just how it is working as is. I am
considering purchasing and installing a trany oil temperature gauge. I am
a decent wrench, have experinece in engine building and assembling
performance mods of all types, suspension, engine etc, but I am quite
inadequate at electrical projects. Would this gauge install be quite
difficult? At what point in the oil line should I tap in the sensor?
Maybe there is a place for the gauge at the trany? That would be too easy
I am afraid. Should the sensor get the temp of oil coming from the trany
or going to? Any hints or suggestions are appreciated. Great forum
guys....

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:09:23 -0700
From: Mike Mueller
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?

Hey All-
Anyone know where I can get an inexpensive 3" suspension lift for my
F-150?
I need to replace my suspension bushings and have always wanted to lift
the truck as well.
TIA-
Mikey
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:52 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?

you can buy 3" inch lift blocks at pepboys and auto zone and etc. do them
yourself all it takes is a jack, wrench, and a socket. ...make sure you get
your i bolt into the leafs cause i didnt when i had my rearend lifted and
drive shaft bout ate my trany. front needs to be done by someone that knows
what they are doin.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:22 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info

Jerry,
Basically the stock cooler hooks in line after the radiator cooler, these
lines are hooked to the pump side lines of the tranny. When the tranny shop
put the new cooler on mine(4R70W/AODE), the new one was so large they
completely bypassed the stock in-rad cooler. To plumb in the temp gauge,
they tapped the sending unit fitting in right after the line exited the
tranny. Most of the trans. temp gauge sending units are a 3 or 4 wire deal.
Mine is an Art Carr unit. It has one line running from the sender up to the
gauge. The gauge itself has 4 terminals, one for power (hooked to a key
switch activated power source), one for ground (self explanatory), one for
the sender wire, and one to hook as a jumper to the power line or to a
separate light activated power source for the gauge light. I personally
hooked this light up direct to the power line so when I crank it up, the
light is on.
The aftermarket kits coolers work great. I have a built 302, putting out as
much or more ponies than a stock 351, and I have yet to have my tranny go
over 180 degrees. Again this is with it being plumbed in without the aid of
the in-rad cooler.
I hope this has helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
and Ford Page (Page 1)

PS I also mounted mine in an A pillar gauge holder, really cool looking, and
it makes people wonder. =)
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:17:32 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tranny Cooler Info

> ...Would this gauge install be quite difficult?

Jerry,

I have not installed one, so I can't answer this. If someone makes a "kit",
I can't imagine that the electrical aspects would be too tough. If you have
questions as you go along, I'm sure some people here could help as you come
up with more specific electrical questions.

> At what point in the oil line should I tap in the sensor?
> Maybe there is a place for the gauge at the trany? That would be too easy
> I am afraid. Should the sensor get the temp of oil coming
> from the trany or going to? Any hints or suggestions are appreciated.

This is always a good question. I have a feeling (and it's just that), that
the temperature is different in different areas of the tranny, and the oil
will be yet another temperature. If you REALLY want to know how well your
cooler is working, put two sensors in your truck: one to monitor temperature
coming out of the tranny, and the other to measure the temp of the oil
coming out of the cooler. You could use one gauge and a switch to switch
the readout between two sensors. I think for the longevity of your tranny,
you're more interested in the temperature of the oil going out, if you
choose to monitor just one temperature. If it's running too hot, a larger
cooler should help. No matter how big you get, the temp coming out of the
cooler will never be lower than the ambient temperature. As you get closer
to ambient, getting incremental decreases in temp drives the size of the
cooler to be prohibitively large.

Getting both temperatures would give an idea of how much cooler you need.
For example, if temp coming out was 400F, and returning from the cooler
350F, this indicates that you could really use a lager cooler (one twice the
size would give you a drop of 100F--from 50F--to 300F). If, however, the
oil returning is at 150F, and it's 110F outside, you're not going to get too
much more heat out of it anyway, and a huge cooler isn't going to do too
much better than your "puny" one--and it isn't worth the money to put it in.


Hope this helps.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX.
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:24:14 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Meeting Place

List members,
I wanted to put this notice out one more time for the Atlanta, GA area
members who will be going up to Pigeon Forge. Ken and myself are going to be
meeting around 9:00 am on Wednesday for a good pre-trip breakfast and we
should be on the road no later than 10:00 am. I want to know if anyone is
also going from this area and would like to meet up with us and make the trip
as a group? If so please Email me off list, and I will fill you in on the
sketchy details.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
and Ford Page (Page 1)

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:45:29 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?

>you can buy 3" inch lift blocks at pepboys and auto zone and etc. do them
>yourself all it takes is a jack, wrench, and a socket. ...make sure you get
>your i bolt into the leafs cause i didnt when i had my rearend lifted and
>drive shaft bout ate my trany. front needs to be done by someone that knows
>what they are doin.

Try to stay away from the aluminum blocks as they work around and seem to
always get loose.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:44:44 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?

>Hey All-
>Anyone know where I can get an inexpensive 3" suspension lift for my
>F-150?
>I need to replace my suspension bushings and have always wanted to lift
>the truck as well.
>TIA-
>Mikey

I am thinking of putting a 4" in my 88 F-150. The regular kits, which come
with rear blocks, new front coils and drop brackets for the arms and axle
pivots cost around $430 for all the major brands. Usually this does not
include shocks, but sometimes does if they have a special.

You can also get more exotic kits with new rear leafs and longer radius
arms up front. They go for around $1200.

Usually I see 4" and 6" kits for these Fords. 3" may be hard to find and
more expensive than 4".


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://little-mountain.com/blake
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:20 EDT
From: craig n eggerman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - - Axle Wrap

on the cheap side
Full length adda leaf springs or halfs on both sides. remove the block.
this new stiff spring will give added lift, stiffer springs and no more
axle wrap.
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:34:32 -0500
From: "Sam Means"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - weight

I noticed recent comments regarding the F150 being a half ton,etc . These
comments reminded me of previous comments about the actual weight of
certain vehicles which , to me, seemed to be on the high side. My 1994 F150
XLT club cab,short bed,5.0L,automatic shows on the Texas title an empty
weight of 4100LB. It also shows a "carrying capacity" of 1000LB. It is
interesting to note that the total of both is in the ballpark of "total
weights" I have seen mentioned . Could it be the various states are
inconsistent in how weight is stated on titles? Do some states show a single
weight?
I remember my 1984 F150 std cab long bed 5.7L auto showed an empty weight of
3900LB. My 1985 Bronco 5.7L auto showed a title weight of 4500LB. I have
never had any of them weighed,so I can't argue the point.

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:15:15 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - weight

Sam,
Well on the weight issue, I had to weigh my truck in at the Atlanta Fun Ford
Weekend. The weight of my 94 F150 Flareside Supercab with a half tank of gas
in the rear tank, none in the front tank, 300lbs of stereo equipment, and an
empty tool box (except for 25lbs of full NOx bottle) was 4830lbs. With me it
was 5050 lb. (means its time to go on a diet). I was incorrect in my initial
post when this thread was started a while back by saying my truck was almost
6k lb.. I was still an inexperienced truck owner and I didn't fully
understand what the sticker on the door meant...=P.
Leaving Wednesday for Pigeon Forge and the F-series SuperNats. Any one else
going?
My .02,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
and Ford Page (Page 1)

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:20:26 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Lift Kit '89 F-150 ?

hey just go with a kit that works heres some sites =20
Camburg=A0 - Products=20
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:38:49 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - big block blues

Chris,
Had my '85 F150 S/C rebuilt at Stangs-N-Stuff in Carrollton, don't have the
number right this minute but they're in the book. Had it bored .030 over,
GT40 iron heads, roller chain and Lunati cam. I'm happy with the
performance, I told him what I wanted it to do and it does it. Unless you....


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