80-96-list-digest Monday, January 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 013



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - MY F150'S CHECK ENGINE LIGHT
Re: FTE 80-96 - AM-FM Stereo w/o cassette
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather
FTE 80-96 - Key Switch
FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips
Re: FTE 80-96 - MY F150'S CHECK ENGINE LIGHT
FTE 80-96 - K & N filtercharger
FTE 80-96 - Another C-6 Question
FTE 80-96 - Truck Manuals
FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings
FTE 80-96 - Bumper Dumper
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another C-6 Question
FTE 80-96 - RE: My F150's Check Engine Light Comes On
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another C-6 Question

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:47:38 -0500
From: jeffd
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather

I'm having a problem with my 89 F-250 7.3 liter Diesel starting in cold
weather. I have brand new batteries.....I checked the glow plugs....they all
seem to be working.....the glow plug system seems to operate like it always
has...haven't checked it out in depth. It cranks and cranks....have to turn
the key off and wait awhile....then crank and crank again. I do this whenever
the weather is cold and damp. I live in southeast NY. When it finally does
start, it is so loaded up with fuel that it revs way up for a second until it
burns off this fuel...then comes back to idle. The engine seems to have all
the power it ever had, so I'm kind of discounting compression. The engine has
a lot of miles on it....over 200,000. I'm wondering if it could be worn-out
injectors? I don't know....any ideas from anyone??

Also, I went to "Alldata.com" and got a tech service bulletin list. There is
possibly a related tech service bulletin #902611 titled "Hard Starting-Long
Cranking Time" for this vehicle. Does anyone know how to get the actual
bulletin?.....the whole thing?

Thanks for your help!

jeffd pioneeris.net



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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 07:55:49 -0500
From: Doug Tinsman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather

Your glow plugs are bad... without a doubt.

jeffd wrote:

> I'm having a problem with my 89 F-250 7.3 liter Diesel starting in cold
> weather. I have brand new batteries.....I checked the glow plugs....they all
> seem to be working.....the glow plug system seems to operate like it always
> has...haven't checked it out in depth. It cranks and cranks....have to turn
> the key off and wait awhile....then crank and crank again. I do this whenever
> the weather is cold and damp. I live in southeast NY. When it finally does
> start, it is so loaded up with fuel that it revs way up for a second until it
> burns off this fuel...then comes back to idle. The engine seems to have all
> the power it ever had, so I'm kind of discounting compression. The engine has
> a lot of miles on it....over 200,000. I'm wondering if it could be worn-out
> injectors? I don't know....any ideas from anyone??
>
> Also, I went to "Alldata.com" and got a tech service bulletin list. There is
> possibly a related tech service bulletin #902611 titled "Hard Starting-Long
> Cranking Time" for this vehicle. Does anyone know how to get the actual
> bulletin?.....the whole thing?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> jeffd pioneeris.net
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:52:24 EST
From: Husk77 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather

I have the same problem... sometimes. But I think mine is related to also
losing the prime. Use a little ether, plug in the block heater
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:03:14 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - MY F150'S CHECK ENGINE LIGHT

shane griffin wrote:
>
> HELLO
>
> i've got a 91 f150. sometimes the check engine light comes on but under
> no particular set of circumstances that i can tell. what systems does
> that light monitor? and i've also noticed when it comes on my gas milage
> drops. can anyone help me to understand this? i would appreciate any
> suggestions u might have. thanks in advance.
>
I can't really tell you what it monitores. Perhaps the owners manual has
some info on that. Anyway, the reason your milage is going to pot when
the light is on is that the computer has gone into what is called "fail
safe" mode. It'll run, but emmissions will be high as will be fuel
consumption. If you live in an area where there is emmissions testing,
you will have to get it fixed. Otherwise, I'd suggest putting the codes
and going from there. Since I don't have an FI Ford, I can't really help
you much on it, but a lot of stuff carries over from one FI system to
another.

As a WAG, Oxygen sensors tend to be unreliable compared to other FI
components, so that might be a place to start. usually, it's the
critical components that wind up lighting the check engine light. The
definition of critical varies year by year, model by model and according
to the phase of the moon ;-)

A while ago, somone posted the URL of a page that had the method of
obtaining the computer codes and a description of what they mean. Since
they didn't apply to me they hit my bit bucket.

Sorry I can't be more help.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:00:46 -0500
From: "Todd Rensel"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AM-FM Stereo w/o cassette

Steve,

I've got what you want, I think. I replaced my AM/Fm no cass in my 92'
last year. And its collecting dust! The OEM connector is still on there
because I bought a "kit" for my new one. As far as fitting in an 84' I
dunno, do some research and let me know if it will work for you. Reply to
F150crazy geocities.com for a faster response and we can chat about
arrangements on how to get it to you if you can use it. I don't want any
money for it, but don't want to pay for shipping. I live north of Pittsburgh
PA. Hope I can help.
Todd
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From: Steve Randa
To: FTE 80-96
Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 6:36 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AM-FM Stereo w/o cassette


>Any of you upgrade to a newer stereo and have the older one just
>collecting dust. I'm looking for a stereo in good condition w/o
>cassette (preset buttons MUST work) that will work in an '84 F150. I've
>got the dual knob style dash plate. Not to be picky and all but
>hopefully with the OEM connector still intact.
>
>Steve Randa
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:06:58 EST
From: WoodStck45 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-250 7.3 Diesel Hard Starting in Cold Weather

Jeff,

We have a truck just like yours, only its a 94 and had the same problem. I
can almost bet its your glow plugs. You shouldn't have to plug your block
heater in unless it gets below freezing. I have a couple of tests to see if
tis your glow plugs without testing the plugs themselves. 1.) Turn on your
key and wait for your wait to start light to go out, then turn your key off
and turn it back on and let it run the cycle again (maybe two or three times).
If the truck starts, your glow plugs are not shot, but are very weak. 2.)
Before starting your truck, take off your air breather and blow warm air down
inside the manifold with a hair dryer for 2-4 minutes. Then put the breather
back on, turn on your key and wait for the plugs to heat up (they probably
won't make a difference) and try starting it. If your truck starts it is
definatly the glow plugs, if it doesn't start then we are talking about
injector problems.
With 200,000 miles it is most likely the glow plugs (especially if you
haven't changed them before). I'll give you a tip though when you take the
glow plugout on the cylinder against the firewall (i don't remeber which side
its on) you'll need a u-joint on your rachet to reach. Its a nuckle buster.

P.S. whatever you do don't ever use ether to start that, cause the glow plugs
will pre-ignite that ether and it'll blow the head off that truck
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:08:53 -0900
From: "Casey R. Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Key Switch

Don't bother replacing the switch or the box at the end of the
rod....The problem still persists in the cold. It is kind of a pain in
the a$$ but I am not sure what would get rid of the problem. Some one
mentioned graphite, but I don't recall where they put it (either in teh
key swith or on the rod that goes into the little box on the column
itself)

Thanks,
Casey
83 F-250
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just like to make a comment to the guys with the heater and turn
signals not working in the cold... I discovered the same thing... My
84 F-150 will not allow any electricals to operate unless I turn the
key back ever so slightly in extreme cold. I thought I was the only
one ! Also noticed that right hand turn indicator in cab will not
blink, although the light is blinking and I can hear the relay a'
clickin'. This only occuirs in cold... when it warms up all is fine.
Just kinda stinks when you're making the ignition adjustment in
traffic and you turn off the engine!

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:46:40 -0500
From: Tom Gunby
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips

The passenger side power window in my 86 F150 slips when raising or
lowering the window. We removed the door trim but find the window drive
motor is riveted to the inside of the door. How do you remove the drive
motor and is it repairable?
Thanks for the help.
Tom Gunby

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:37:44 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips

Tom,
The motor is not repairable as far as I know. They are under a $100 from
the dealer, so it is not to cost effective to repair them, unless you can
find brushes for it. To get it out you just have to drill out the rivets,
hold the window up, and slide the bottom guide out of the window track. It
is pretty easy, just a bit awkward (sp??). You can rivet the motor back in,
but I would recommend bolting it in, in case you have to pull it again one
day.
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Chris B
'85 XLT
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Tom Gunby wrote:

> The passenger side power window in my 86 F150 slips when raising or
> lowering the window. We removed the door trim but find the window drive
> motor is riveted to the inside of the door. How do you remove the drive
> motor and is it repairable?
> Thanks for the help.
> Tom Gunby
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:59:15 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips

Hey,
I just had alot of problems with a power window on my 92 gran marquis.I
replaced the motor 8 months before. and the window was slipping also. I was
not going to buy another motor, because the motor was good. The part that went
bad was inside the motor housing. not the motor itself but ford power window
motors have an metal gear that drives the window. inside where the gear slips
into the housing there are 3 plastic spacers that ride inside the metal gear
housing. you can replace them at an auto parts store. (the plastic spacers
break apart causing the window to skip) .

I could not find spacers for mine. so I cut my own spacers out of a threaded
steel rod. Its lasted about a year now , and I am happy with my repair. saved
some $$$$$.

You will have to cut the rivets out and just replace them with bolts & lock
nuts.

BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU TIGHTEN DOWN THE BOLTS ON THE REGULATOR THAT BOLTS TO THE
GLASS OR YOU WILL BREAK THE WINDOW.

Good Luck. Joe Flashwax.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:06:37 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - MY F150'S CHECK ENGINE LIGHT

In a message dated 1/17/99 2:06:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
andre dns3.unipissing.ca writes:


>> Hey check out these sites and bookmark them for future reference :
EEC IV Self Test - Ford
Fuel Injection and EE...
Two-Digit EEC Codes
Three-Digit EEC Codes
Good Luck. Joe
ww
w.flashwax.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:47:08 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K & N filtercharger

For those who have been enquiring into the K & N filtercharger for their
Bronco's, I have put a picture of mine on my registry. I got the intake
hose (tbi to filter) and the washer/rad overflow bottle off of a 87+
Bronco. I also ran a cold air intake hose from the factory spot beside
the radiator to run underneath the filtercharger. The only problem with
the filtercharger is that you can really hear the whistle coming from
the TBI (2000-2500 rpm). Haven't quite figured out a solution to this
yet..........the stereo seems to cover it up most of the time. Has
anybody had this problem, and ahve they figured out how to stop the
whistling.

ps there is a side view of the Grant wheel also

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Chris B
'85 XLT
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:57:38 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another C-6 Question

Has anyone found a sure-fire way to seal up the accumulator spring cover?
Thanx
Bart-AK

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:15:10 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Truck Manuals

I appreciate the info on manuals for my new to me 91 Bronco; I called
Helm and ordered the shop manual (for 90 bucks!). I have found over the
years that these are the best investment.
I have found that the Haynes, and a few others, focus a lot on
rebuilding engines, and also that most the other info is very generic,
due to the fact one book covers about 40 years of models.

For example, I bought a Haynes book trying to decipher the build codes
for this Bronco...they told me where the codes were located on the
doorjamb sticker, but did not list the codes! Huh?

I have a set of shop manuals for a 79 bronc (all light trucks in same)
and have used this set for my bronc, my 78 van, my 76 pickup (mostly),
and was invaluable when I merged my 78 van with my 55 panel.

The only thing I have noticed is that the Ford factory shop manuals (the
2 I have anyway) dont include a wiring diagram...a little wierd if you
ask me.
The best manuals are Chryslers, with detailed drawings of everything
which are easier to see than, say, a picture of the dash wiring. They
also use a lot of color.
Sorry for the rambling.

Paul G.
53 pickup
54 panel
55 pickup
76 pickup
89 mustang conv
91 bronco
86 S10 blazer (nobodys perfect)
PS: The only problem is that I can't get the odd parts I need in the
junk yard! Not old enough.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:52:32 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: FTE 80-96 - horsepower ratings

If anyone would like and Ken doesn't mind I will post horsepower and
torque numbers for the 4.9, 5.0, 5.8(both of them), 7.3diesel(both of
them), and the 7.5 from 87 to 96!
Let me know
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:40:32 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bumper Dumper

Has anybody tried one these????? hehehe
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/bumperdmpr/bumper.htm

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:45:52 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Window Slips

At 01:46 PM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>The passenger side power window in my 86 F150 slips when raising or
>lowering the window. We removed the door trim but find the window drive
>motor is riveted to the inside of the door. How do you remove the drive
>motor and is it repairable?
>Thanks for the help.
>Tom Gunby

Hi Tom,

The power window motor has a nylon gear that raises and lowers the window.
The teeth on the gear will be partially stripped. I repair kit is
available. I have bought them for several different Ford vehicles at Auto
Zone for around $25. I'm sure other parts stores can get them also.

As for the rivets. Either drill them out or quick touch with an angle
grinder will knock the heads off. After you replace the gear just use some
1/4 X 1/4" long bolts in their place to attach the motor back to the door.

Later,

David Cole

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:54:18 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another C-6 Question

At 12:57 PM 1/17/99 -0900, you wrote:
>Has anyone found a sure-fire way to seal up the accumulator spring cover?
>Thanx
>Bart-AK

Accumulator spring cover? Is it the servo that you are talking about? If
it is, a normal gasket with no sealant should seal it. It it doesn't ,
check the alumimum for pitting. It there are minor pits first remove any
corrosion and then use JB Weld. Wipe some over the pitted area. Then wipe
off ALL excess. The stuff will stay in the holes. Just make sure that you
are careful and don't get any of the stuff down in the bore.

Later.

David Cole

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:30:16 -0700
From: L/G Byrtus
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: My F150's Check Engine Light Comes On

I have an '88 F250. After I had a propane conversion, the check engine
light came on semi-regularly, always at about 40. Apparently, the
exhaust gas sensor doesn't like the propane exhaust gas composition at
that speed, and triggers the check engine light. It only comes on
occasionally, and all I do is check the gauges, and ignore it. The
light resets after the ignition is turned off. I don't notice any
difference in mileage (but with a 460, who can tell!).

Gary
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. Events guide updated
2. Many new links added
3. Pictorial updated and redesigned. Navigation should be much quicker.
4. Awards page updated. We're received 3 new awards in the last 2
weeks.
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