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80-96-list-digest Wednesday, May 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 126 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! FTE 80-96 - trass. id Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! Re: FTE 80-96 - trass. id FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Back on topic FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light FTE 80-96 - Computer problems FTE 80-96 - 5.0L FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... FTE 80-96 - old truck FTE 80-96 - mixed info Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info FTE 80-96 - Pulling to one side FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4 Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4 Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck FTE 80-96 - RE: Ping Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light FTE 80-96 - Pulsating vacuum gauge ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:35:21 -0300 From: "Bowman, John A" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key... no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD, 302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch? - -- ********************************* J.A.Bowman Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada email: mooster canada.ca ********************************* == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:41:03 -0500 From: "Waddell" Subject: FTE 80-96 - trass. id Hi all. my name is Larry, I'am new to the list and so glad I found it. I just aquired an 81 f-100 ,its my 1st full size ford trk, I had rangers in the past. anyway its an inline 300 auto. What I like to find out is how can I id what type auto. trans. it has? Thanks for any input. Larry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:51:49 -0400 From: Mike Sloane Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! Is it in Neutral? Silly question, but needs to be asked - I saved a lot of road calls by asking that question back when I was in the service station business.. If the lights and horn work, the next place to check is the neutral safety switch, then the solenoid. If none of them are the problem, then you have your work cut out for you. Mike "Bowman, John A" wrote: > Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I > tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key... > no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD, > 302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An > idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch? > > -- > ********************************* > J.A.Bowman > Halifax, Nova Scotia > Canada > email: mooster canada.ca > ********************************* - -- - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) '83 F-250 straight 6 '87 F-350 diesel == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:58:15 -0400 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - trass. id Waddell wrote: > > Hi all. my name is Larry, I'am new to the list and so glad I found it. I > just aquired an 81 f-100 ,its my 1st full size ford trk, I had rangers in > the past. anyway its an inline 300 auto. What I like to find out is how can > I id what type auto. trans. it has? Thanks for any input. > Well, my '81 F-150 with the 300 CID and automatic has a C6 (I think). There is an ID plate on the door opening, diver's side. There's an entry for transmission and a code. Somewhere, sometime, I read what the codes mean. - -- Andre == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:13:27 -0500 From: Roger Lane Subject: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4. Original Message: Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: shy anne Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer Real cowboys ride horses, rope cows, and have George Strait playin on the radio in their fords.. - - --- CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote: > No, real cowboys Chew Copenhagen, Drink Coors, and > Drive Fords > Roger Lane Test/Support Analyst IBP, Inc. Roger.Lane ibpinc.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:30:30 +0000 From: Chris Hedemark Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer Roger Lane wrote: > I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I > smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4. And I must be the coyote that nobody wants around the other sheep. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Beer tastes like agricultural effluent to me and I never understood the attraction. Go to church twice a week and listen to Scandinavian traditional music. And my Ford isn't even a 4x4 though a quick inspection of my bed will leave no doubt that it is a working truck. Now if only I could find a nice Bronco in this area that isn't tons of $$$. - -- Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow -- That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:11:24 -0700 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! Neutral safety switch, is a good guess. You might try putting your foot on the brake and while holding the key to the start position, move the gear shift slowly threw the gears. If that don't work. Put the truck in park, set the parking brake! Standing beside the truck (NOT IN FRONT OF)!! Short the small terminal on the starter solenoid to the battery side big terminal. If it turns over then. The problem is from that point, back to the key switch.(wiring, NS switch, key switch). If it does not turn over the problem is from the battery to the starter. ( battery, cables, solenoid, starter) A three or four dollar, 12v test light. Is very useful in these type of problems and well worth the money. ........Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sloane To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:54 AM Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck! >Is it in Neutral? Silly question, but needs to be asked - I saved a lot of >road calls by asking that question back when I was in the service station >business.. If the lights and horn work, the next place to check is the >neutral safety switch, then the solenoid. If none of them are the problem, >then you have your work cut out for you. > >Mike > >"Bowman, John A" wrote: > >> Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I >> tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key... >> no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD, >> 302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An >> idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch? >> >> -- >> ********************************* >> J.A.Bowman >> Halifax, Nova Scotia >> Canada >> email: mooster canada.ca >> ********************************* > >-- > >------------ >Mike Sloane >Allamuchy NJ >(msloane att.net) > >'83 F-250 straight 6 >'87 F-350 diesel > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:31:57 -0700 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer Must not have owned Fords that long. ..............Just jokin...Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hedemark To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 6:33 AM Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer >Roger Lane wrote: > >> I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I >> smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4. > >And I must be the coyote that nobody wants around the other sheep. > >I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Beer tastes like agricultural >effluent to me and I never understood the attraction. Go to church >twice a week and listen to Scandinavian traditional music. And my Ford >isn't even a 4x4 though a quick inspection of my bed will leave no doubt >that it is a working truck. > >Now if only I could find a nice Bronco in this area that isn't tons of >$$$. > >-- > >Chris Hedemark >Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher >Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com > "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know > That our lads can make blood flow -- > That the Hedemarkers hale > Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:54:19 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Back on topic Okay gang, lets get back on topic. The beer thread needs to die. Ken Payne == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:02:59 -0500 From: "Wes_Davenport" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on. All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:09:36 -0700 From: "McMahon, Todd R." Subject: FTE 80-96 - Computer problems I doubt if this information will be of much use, other than to point out that a vehicle's 'computer' can cause some really strange behavior... I had a really weird problem once where I slowly lost the functionality of my instrument cluster... It started out as intermittently losing only odometer functionality - which I didn't care about (resale value, ya know?). Then I lost the Speedometer too, which was a pain, but I still took no action. When I lost my fuel gauge I started checking voltages and connections - it was then that I noticed that if I was driving, and I used the windshield wipers and washed the windshield with the sprayer for a 'long' time (20 to 30 seconds), the instrument cluster regained functionality completely, and would continue to function for a minute or two. It ended up being a problem with the 'computer', and the use of the sprayer completed some circuit which allowed the instruments to work. Pretty weird, huh? Todd - -----Original Message----- From: Wes_Davenport [mailto:Wes_Davenport email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:03 AM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on. All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: docster webtv.net (Delvis Teruel Jr Teruel) Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Hey sam, I've got a '96 F150 5.0, 5sp 4x4. I put a 3" cat back exhaust with a 2 chamber Flowmaster muffler, K&N filter, MAC underdrive pulleys,, Bosch platinum plugs, 8mm spark plug wires, and I swapped out the airbox intake snorkle with one from a efi 460 3/4 ton (which I trimmed the opening to open it up some more)and I find myself with a lighter throttle. I live in western WA. and with all the traffic that the Seattle area is infamous for, I'm still averaging 17.5 mpg per tank. I also find that I can cruise up some of the taller hills, and passes without down shifting into a lower gear. I sound like a mustang going down the road, but I don't hot rod the truck. She just runs better, and smoother. Lotsa love Da docster == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:49 EDT From: ACMERCG aol.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... How do I set the ignition timing on my 92 F-150, and what is the setting? What do I unplug? The little sticker is missing from under my hood that says "this vehicle complies..." It's a 5.0, AOD, 4x4. Can anyone help me? My Chilton's manual is getting more and more useless.... Thanks, Joe Lost in Jersey 1992 F-150 Nite == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:30:28 PDT From: "Scottie Schmidt" Subject: FTE 80-96 - old truck Hi, Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for $3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices. According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it. It is old, but low miles. Thanks, Scottie Schmidt JR. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:34:26 PDT From: "Scottie Schmidt" Subject: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Hi, I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is. Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what is the biggest F series truck. Thanks, Scottie Schmidt JR. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:42:46 EDT From: FLR150 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... Joe, If yours is the EFI, then the, "little plug" or the spout plug,should be on the inside of the driver's fender, right near your diagnostic plug, it is a little gray plug on a 2 wire connection. Pull the plug and set you base timing to 10 degrees BTDC. Before you start though, you might want to bump the motor around until you can see the timing marks on the harmonic balancer...find the 10 degree mark to the right side of the 0 or TDC spot and mark it with a white grease pencil or whiteout works good too. Then hook up your timing light and set the timing. Just remember to plug that plug back in and don't lose it. It would be like driving and older car with a busted vacuum advance line...no power and blowing all kinds of rich smoke out the back. Hope I've helped, Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC "Hazardous Material" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:47:42 +0000 From: Chris Hedemark Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck Scottie Schmidt wrote: > > Hi, > Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our > current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for > $3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices. > According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He > says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this > will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it. > It is old, but low miles. Well if it is any indication, I have a 1987 F250 that has racked up close to a quarter million miles on the original engine. The previous owners did not do any of the regular maintenance and you would be surprised how many original Ford parts I've replaced on it so far. I have only recently started seriously considering an engine rebuild. FWIW the engine is a 5.0L V8. - -- Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow -- That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:50:27 +0000 From: Chris Hedemark Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance... ACMERCG aol.com wrote: > How do I set the ignition timing on my 92 F-150, and what is the setting? > What do I unplug? The little sticker is missing from under my hood that says > "this vehicle complies..." It's a 5.0, AOD, 4x4. Can anyone help me? My > Chilton's manual is getting more and more useless.... Joe I am sure you will get several technical answers that will exceed anything I can tell you. However, I would recommend picking up a Haynes manual instead. Thin, yes, but they have helped me more with the practical shadetree repairs that I am more likely to do myself such as this. - -- Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow -- That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:49:59 -0400 From: Mike Sloane Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Not quite right - I think that F-150 is half ton, 250 is 3/4 ton, and 350 is one ton. But those numbers are really only arbitrary and refer to approximate loads in the bed. The actual numbers for maximum Gross Vehicle Weight are all over the place and depend on the tires, axle, brakes, and suspension that are on the vehicle, as well as a number of other factors. Generally speaking, with a little bit of care, you can go quite heavier and still be safe. You need to "read the Owners Manual" to determine what load you can put in your truck. Mike Scottie Stemmed wrote: > Hi, > I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a > 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have > heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is. > Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what > is the biggest F series truck. > Thanks, > Scottie Schmidt JR. > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:53:22 -0700 From: "Mike" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com/indexv.html . This will also answer some of your questions on Ford truck models ....Mike - -----Original Message----- From: Scottie Schmidt To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: FTE 80-96 - old truck >Hi, > Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our >current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for >$3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices. >According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He >says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this >will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it. >It is old, but low miles. >Thanks, > Scottie Schmidt JR. > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:58:52 +0000 From: Chris Hedemark Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Scottie Schmidt wrote: > I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a > 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have > heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is. > Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what > is the biggest F series truck. This doesn't work. In a recent issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords they did a review of the new SVT Lightening. The Lightening is is based off of an F150, and is said to have a reduced payload of only 800 pounds. Well a 1/4 ton is 500 pounds. Sounds like the F150 can probably handle at least a half ton. The common thinking is more like this: F150 - half ton F250 - 3/4 ton F350 - one ton I really think that the *real* capacity of these trucks is greater. On the F150 maybe not too much greater because of the softer suspension and lower capacity tires. But I think the F250 and F350 may be capable of much greater capacities than commonly thought. In my own F250 I will commonly throw a little over a ton of crushed stone in the bed without any bad effects. The tires hold up well, and the bed does not sag. Oh yes, my truck is 12 years old too. - -- Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow -- That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:02:34 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pulling to one side Tom Higgins writes: >>I changed the front brak pads on my 96 F150 302 auto 5 days ago (actually I ended up having it done since I got sick). Anyway, I now have a pretty significant intermittent pull to the drivers side when braking. I assume that the drivers side brakes (front or rear) are binding more tightly than the other side. How do I determine where the problem is so I can fix it? The piston in the caliper on the opposite side might be "dragging" or sticking slightly before it gets out of the bore far enough to cause the brake pad to grip the rotor!!! Just an idea... Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:11:52 -0400 From: Greg Carter Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4 Hi, I have a 91 F250 4x4 with a 5.0 EFI. I believe the oil pan has rusted enough to become porous, I can't see any other leaks, and the bottom of the pan is covered in oil, but not the sides or any other part of the engine. I have the haynes manual for the truck and have read the procedure, any tricks which might save me some time? The truck has a 3" body lift so I think I should be able to get away without removing the upper intake. Thanks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:01:01 -0400 From: Mike Sloane Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info I was always taught that the load rating of any truck was dictated by the rating of the axle(s). So that while you can probably manage to get a ton of stone on a 1/2 ton pickup once in a while without coming to grief, doing so regularly will eventually cause premature axle failure. You also stand a good chance of a tire blowing out if get the truck moving fast or for a long ride. To protect the investment in your Ford (or any other truck), it is a good idea to pay attention to those stickers the manufacturer puts on the door post below the latch. If in doubt, stop at the scales on the way out of the quarry. The life you save could be yours. Mike Chris Hedemark wrote: > Scottie Schmidt wrote: > > > I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a > > 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have > > heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is. > > Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what > > is the biggest F series truck. > > This doesn't work. In a recent issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords > they did a review of the new SVT Lightening. The Lightening is is > based off of an F150, and is said to have a reduced payload of only 800 > pounds. Well a 1/4 ton is 500 pounds. Sounds like the F150 can > probably handle at least a half ton. > > The common thinking is more like this: > > F150 - half ton > F250 - 3/4 ton > F350 - one ton > > I really think that the *real* capacity of these trucks is greater. On > the F150 maybe not too much greater because of the softer suspension and > lower capacity tires. But I think the F250 and F350 may be capable of > much greater capacities than commonly thought. In my own F250 I will > commonly throw a little over a ton of crushed stone in the bed without > any bad effects. The tires hold up well, and the bed does not sag. Oh > yes, my truck is 12 years old too. > > -- > > Chris Hedemark > Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher > Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com > "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know > That our lads can make blood flow -- > That the Hedemarkers hale > Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:32:34 -0400 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info Mike Sloane wrote: > > I was always taught that the load rating of any truck was dictated by the rating > of the axle(s). > The final load rating is dicatated by the weakest link. Axle, tire, frame, floor, whatever. Bicycle tires on a semi won't hold much ;-) > So that while you can probably manage to get a ton of stone on a > 1/2 ton pickup once in a while without coming to grief, doing so regularly will > eventually cause premature axle failure. > Axle, or whatever the weakest link is. Yes. > You also stand a good chance of a tire > blowing out if get the truck moving fast or for a long ride. > In which case it was the tire that was the weakest link. > To protect the > investment in your Ford (or any other truck), it is a good idea to pay attention > to those stickers the manufacturer puts on the door post below the latch. > Right. The manufacturers didn't put those stickers there for the fun or to lower costs. In many cases it will also be illegal to overload the vehicle. > If in > doubt, stop at the scales on the way out of the quarry. The life you save could be > yours. > In which case the weakest link is your body. Yes. be careful. Make two trips. - -- Andre == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:24:32 CDT From: "GREG PATTON" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer yeah well down here we all drink up Bud Light's with George on the radio and in the rodeos and at night getten some after finishing the Bud Light >From: shy anne >Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com >To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer >Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com Mon May 03 23:12:25 1999 >Received: from [192.41.63.203] by hotmail.com (1.5) with SMTP id >MHotMailB8F7DAC80160D1017098C0293FCB11CF0; Mon May 03 23:12:25 1999 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id CAA20831; Tue, >4 May 1999 02:07:54 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (web123.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.191]) >by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id CAA20804; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:07:48 -0400 >(EDT) >Message-ID: >Received: from [206.66.213.25] by web123.yahoomail.com; Mon, 03 May 1999 >23:08:28 PDT >Sender: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk > >Real cowboys ride horses, rope cows, and have George Strait playin on >the radio in their fords.. > >--- CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote: > > No, real cowboys Chew Copenhagen, Drink Coors, and > > Drive Fords > > > > Just my opinion > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > >=== >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/5898 >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:09:38 -0400 From: S Spaulding Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4 Been there, '91 F150, 4x4, M5OD, but without the body lift. I would still pull the upper intake manifold off, because it probably swallowed parts of its gasket a long time ago. Don't forget to remove the cooling shroud from the radiator, and, of course, drain the pan... I left the transmission and engine together, removed the transmission mount, but left the crossmember in place. Once the engine mounts were unbolted, I jacked it all up as high as it would go, allowing the tailhousing to drop. I think I put wooden blocks between the motor mounts and frame to support it. The rear of the engine ends up jammed against the firewall. Now, the fun begins. Drop the pan, reach into the gap and unbolt the oil pickup. Knowledge of Braille helps. I changed the oil pump while I was in there, but I don't remember if the pan would have gotten past it or not. Now slide the whole thing forward, and you should be able to snake it around sideways, parallel to the radiator, and get it outthrough the bottom. The suspension is a different, with the leaf springs vs. coils, but I think the space in that area is the same. This is where I made my two biggest mistakes. First, I looked up and noticed a little green trickle coming down inside the back of the block. Then I reached up an gave the timing chain a little nudge to feel the slack. Needless to say, I ended up with a lot more work than I had planned for. I replaced the pan with one from the dealer ($75 or so, net, plus the $20 Ford gasket). Three years later, it is starting to rust again. At the same time, I replaced the two broken manifolds with headers, replaced the broken cat with a new Ford one, installed a Dynomax cat-back exhaust, did the heads, etc. for a total of about $2000. Steve S. Greg Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a 91 F250 4x4 with a 5.0 EFI. I believe the oil pan has rusted > enough to become porous, I can't see any other leaks, and the bottom of the > pan is covered in oil, but not the sides or any other part of the engine. > > I have the haynes manual for the truck and have read the procedure, any > tricks which might save me some time? > > The truck has a 3" body lift so I think I should be able to get away without > removing the upper intake. > > Thanks. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:32:55 -0400 From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams) Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck On 4 May 99, at 10:30, Scottie Schmidt wrote: > Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our >current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for >$3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices. >According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. >He says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think >this will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts >on it. It is old, but low miles. Thanks, I have an '84 F-150 with only 91,700 miles on it at the present time. Anyway, it's equipped with a pretty nice 302, has the power I need, and the economy that I need as well. With the older trucks, you do have to do a little to them, replacing the gearbox soon if it hasn't been done (just went through that), check the shocks, brakes, and all that other good stuff. $3,500 for an '84 F-250? I'd take it, especially since I paid $3,600 for my F-150. You might be a redneck if... You clean out your truck with a leaf blower. - Jeff Foxworthy Troy Williams http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mfi.net/~troyw == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:32:33 -0500 From: "Dave Harmier" Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ping I second Wayne about those wires!!! One day several months ago, I pulled my 350 gallon trailer empty on my weekly trip 70 miles north. My 92 5.0 pinged on hills and such going up. On a whim I moved my old Autozone wires FAR apart! At nearly 3000 pounds coming back, NO PING! Even over BIG bridge over Ship Channel! However, a change to new Motorcraft wires didn't seem to change anything else. Get those wires apart!!! Dave H. Houston, TX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:55 EDT From: DJ250r aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer had to quit the cope == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:43:47 -0500 From: Jim Cannon Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light I do not know what all your computer monitors in those fancy new trucks, but at NIGHT with the LIGHTS and WIPERS on (and what about the DEFROSTER fan and compressor?) I'd say your volts are dropping kind of low. Battery may be weak, or alternator may be losing some of its output, or it may just be normal, considering the load you are pulling on the electrical system. My $0.02 At 10:02 04/05/99 -0500, you wrote: >The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It >seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on. >All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after >a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on?.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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