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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!
FTE 80-96 - trass. id
Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!
Re: FTE 80-96 - trass. id
FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!
Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Back on topic
FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light
FTE 80-96 - Computer problems
FTE 80-96 - 5.0L
FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...
FTE 80-96 - old truck
FTE 80-96 - mixed info
Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...
Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...
Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info
Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info
FTE 80-96 - Pulling to one side
FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4
Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info
Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4
Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck
FTE 80-96 - RE: Ping
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light
FTE 80-96 - Pulsating vacuum gauge

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:35:21 -0300
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!

Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I
tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key...
no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD,
302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An
idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch?

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*********************************
J.A.Bowman
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
email: mooster canada.ca
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:41:03 -0500
From: "Waddell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - trass. id

Hi all. my name is Larry, I'am new to the list and so glad I found it. I
just aquired an 81 f-100 ,its my 1st full size ford trk, I had rangers in
the past. anyway its an inline 300 auto. What I like to find out is how can
I id what type auto. trans. it has? Thanks for any input.
Larry

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:51:49 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!

Is it in Neutral? Silly question, but needs to be asked - I saved a lot of
road calls by asking that question back when I was in the service station
business.. If the lights and horn work, the next place to check is the
neutral safety switch, then the solenoid. If none of them are the problem,
then you have your work cut out for you.

Mike

"Bowman, John A" wrote:

> Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I
> tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key...
> no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD,
> 302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An
> idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch?
>
> --
> *********************************
> J.A.Bowman
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
> Canada
> email: mooster canada.ca
> *********************************

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Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)

'83 F-250 straight 6
'87 F-350 diesel


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:58:15 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - trass. id

Waddell wrote:
>
> Hi all. my name is Larry, I'am new to the list and so glad I found it. I
> just aquired an 81 f-100 ,its my 1st full size ford trk, I had rangers in
> the past. anyway its an inline 300 auto. What I like to find out is how can
> I id what type auto. trans. it has? Thanks for any input.
>
Well, my '81 F-150 with the 300 CID and automatic has a C6 (I think).
There is an ID plate on the door opening, diver's side. There's an entry
for transmission and a code. Somewhere, sometime, I read what the codes
mean.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:13:27 -0500
From: Roger Lane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer

I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I
smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4.

Original Message:
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

Real cowboys ride horses, rope cows, and have George Strait playin on
the radio in their fords..

- - --- CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote:
> No, real cowboys Chew Copenhagen, Drink Coors, and
> Drive Fords
>


Roger Lane
Test/Support Analyst
IBP, Inc.
Roger.Lane ibpinc.com

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:30:30 +0000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer

Roger Lane wrote:

> I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I
> smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4.

And I must be the coyote that nobody wants around the other sheep.

I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Beer tastes like agricultural
effluent to me and I never understood the attraction. Go to church
twice a week and listen to Scandinavian traditional music. And my Ford
isn't even a 4x4 though a quick inspection of my bed will leave no doubt
that it is a working truck.

Now if only I could find a nice Bronco in this area that isn't tons of
$$$.

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That our lads can make blood flow --
That the Hedemarkers hale
Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:11:24 -0700
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!

Neutral safety switch, is a good guess. You might try putting your foot on
the brake and while holding the key to the start position, move the gear
shift slowly threw the gears. If that don't work. Put the truck in park, set
the parking brake! Standing beside the truck (NOT IN FRONT OF)!! Short the
small terminal on the starter solenoid to the battery side big terminal. If
it turns over then. The problem is from that point, back to the key
switch.(wiring, NS switch, key switch).


If it does not turn over the problem is from the battery to the starter.
( battery, cables, solenoid, starter)

A three or four dollar, 12v test light. Is very useful in these type of
problems and well worth the money. ........Mike


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From: Mike Sloane
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Help! Dead Truck!


>Is it in Neutral? Silly question, but needs to be asked - I saved a lot of
>road calls by asking that question back when I was in the service station
>business.. If the lights and horn work, the next place to check is the
>neutral safety switch, then the solenoid. If none of them are the problem,
>then you have your work cut out for you.
>
>Mike
>
>"Bowman, John A" wrote:
>
>> Big Red is dead! I went to the local coner store last night and when I
>> tried to start Big Red he was dead! Not a sound when I turned the key...
>> no click, nothing, nada! Oh by the way, Big Red is an '83 F100, 2WD,
>> 302, auto. The batery is strong (i.e. lights are bright, etc.). An
>> idea's? Starter, soleniod? ignition switch?
>>
>> --
>> *********************************
>> J.A.Bowman
>> Halifax, Nova Scotia
>> Canada
>> email: mooster canada.ca
>> *********************************
>
>--
>
>------------
>Mike Sloane
>Allamuchy NJ
>(msloane att.net)
>
>'83 F-250 straight 6
>'87 F-350 diesel
>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:31:57 -0700
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer



Must not have owned Fords that long. ..............Just jokin...Mike


- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hedemark
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: Beer


>Roger Lane wrote:
>
>> I must be the black sheep. I don't rope, I don't ride, I drink Vodka, I
>> smoke, and listen to Black Sabbath. But I do love my '89 F250 4x4.
>
>And I must be the coyote that nobody wants around the other sheep.
>
>I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Beer tastes like agricultural
>effluent to me and I never understood the attraction. Go to church
>twice a week and listen to Scandinavian traditional music. And my Ford
>isn't even a 4x4 though a quick inspection of my bed will leave no doubt
>that it is a working truck.
>
>Now if only I could find a nice Bronco in this area that isn't tons of
>$$$.
>
>--
>
>Chris Hedemark
>Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher
>Personal: Yonder Way http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
> "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know
> That our lads can make blood flow --
> That the Hedemarkers hale
> Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:54:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Back on topic

Okay gang, lets get back on topic. The beer thread needs to die.

Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:02:59 -0500
From: "Wes_Davenport"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light

The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It
seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on.
All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after
a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on?



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:09:36 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Computer problems

I doubt if this information will be of much use, other than to point out
that a vehicle's 'computer' can cause some really strange behavior...

I had a really weird problem once where I slowly lost the functionality of
my instrument cluster... It started out as intermittently losing only
odometer functionality - which I didn't care about (resale value, ya know?).
Then I lost the Speedometer too, which was a pain, but I still took no
action. When I lost my fuel gauge I started checking voltages and
connections - it was then that I noticed that if I was driving, and I used
the windshield wipers and washed the windshield with the sprayer for a
'long' time (20 to 30 seconds), the instrument cluster regained
functionality completely, and would continue to function for a minute or
two. It ended up being a problem with the 'computer', and the use of the
sprayer completed some circuit which allowed the instruments to work.
Pretty weird, huh?

Todd

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From: Wes_Davenport [mailto:Wes_Davenport email.msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:03 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light


The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It
seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on.
All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after
a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on?



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: docster webtv.net (Delvis Teruel Jr Teruel)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L

Hey sam, I've got a '96 F150 5.0, 5sp 4x4. I put a 3" cat back exhaust
with a 2 chamber Flowmaster muffler, K&N filter, MAC underdrive
pulleys,, Bosch platinum plugs, 8mm spark plug wires, and I swapped out
the airbox intake snorkle with one from a efi 460 3/4 ton (which I
trimmed the opening to open it up some more)and I find myself with a
lighter throttle. I live in western WA. and with all the traffic that
the Seattle area is infamous for, I'm still averaging 17.5 mpg per tank.
I also find that I can cruise up some of the taller hills, and passes
without down shifting into a lower gear. I sound like a mustang going
down the road, but I don't hot rod the truck. She just runs better, and
smoother.

Lotsa love Da docster

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:49 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...

How do I set the ignition timing on my 92 F-150, and what is the setting?
What do I unplug? The little sticker is missing from under my hood that says
"this vehicle complies..." It's a 5.0, AOD, 4x4. Can anyone help me? My
Chilton's manual is getting more and more useless....

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in Jersey
1992 F-150 Nite
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:30:28 PDT
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - old truck

Hi,
Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our
current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for
$3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices.
According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He
says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this
will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it.
It is old, but low miles.
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:34:26 PDT
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - mixed info

Hi,
I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a
1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have
heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is.
Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what
is the biggest F series truck.
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:42:46 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...

Joe,
If yours is the EFI, then the, "little plug" or the spout plug,should be on
the inside of the driver's fender, right near your diagnostic plug, it is a
little gray plug on a 2 wire connection. Pull the plug and set you base
timing to 10 degrees BTDC. Before you start though, you might want to bump
the motor around until you can see the timing marks on the harmonic
balancer...find the 10 degree mark to the right side of the 0 or TDC spot and
mark it with a white grease pencil or whiteout works good too. Then hook up
your timing light and set the timing. Just remember to plug that plug back in
and don't lose it. It would be like driving and older car with a busted
vacuum advance line...no power and blowing all kinds of rich smoke out the
back.
Hope I've helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:47:42 +0000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck

Scottie Schmidt wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our
> current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for
> $3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices.
> According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He
> says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this
> will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it.
> It is old, but low miles.

Well if it is any indication, I have a 1987 F250 that has racked up
close to a quarter million miles on the original engine. The previous
owners did not do any of the regular maintenance and you would be
surprised how many original Ford parts I've replaced on it so far. I
have only recently started seriously considering an engine rebuild.
FWIW the engine is a 5.0L V8.

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Chris Hedemark
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"Earl Svein! thou now wilt know
That our lads can make blood flow --
That the Hedemarkers hale
Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:50:27 +0000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speaking of 5.0 performance...

ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

> How do I set the ignition timing on my 92 F-150, and what is the setting?
> What do I unplug? The little sticker is missing from under my hood that says
> "this vehicle complies..." It's a 5.0, AOD, 4x4. Can anyone help me? My
> Chilton's manual is getting more and more useless....

Joe I am sure you will get several technical answers that will exceed
anything I can tell you. However, I would recommend picking up a Haynes
manual instead. Thin, yes, but they have helped me more with the
practical shadetree repairs that I am more likely to do myself such as
this.

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Chris Hedemark
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"Earl Svein! thou now wilt know
That our lads can make blood flow --
That the Hedemarkers hale
Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:49:59 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info

Not quite right -

I think that F-150 is half ton, 250 is 3/4 ton, and 350 is one ton. But those
numbers are really only arbitrary and refer to approximate loads in the bed. The
actual numbers for maximum Gross Vehicle Weight are all over the place and
depend on the tires, axle, brakes, and suspension that are on the vehicle, as
well as a number of other factors. Generally speaking, with a little bit of
care, you can go quite heavier and still be safe. You need to "read the Owners
Manual" to determine what load you can put in your truck.

Mike

Scottie Stemmed wrote:

> Hi,
> I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a
> 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have
> heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is.
> Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what
> is the biggest F series truck.
> Thanks,
> Scottie Schmidt JR.
>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:53:22 -0700
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck

Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com/indexv.html . This will also answer some of
your questions on Ford truck models ....Mike


- -----Original Message-----
From: Scottie Schmidt
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - old truck


>Hi,
> Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our
>current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for
>$3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices.
>According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance. He
>says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think this
>will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts on it.
>It is old, but low miles.
>Thanks,
> Scottie Schmidt JR.
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:58:52 +0000
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info

Scottie Schmidt wrote:

> I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a
> 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have
> heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is.
> Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what
> is the biggest F series truck.

This doesn't work. In a recent issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords
they did a review of the new SVT Lightening. The Lightening is is
based off of an F150, and is said to have a reduced payload of only 800
pounds. Well a 1/4 ton is 500 pounds. Sounds like the F150 can
probably handle at least a half ton.

The common thinking is more like this:

F150 - half ton
F250 - 3/4 ton
F350 - one ton

I really think that the *real* capacity of these trucks is greater. On
the F150 maybe not too much greater because of the softer suspension and
lower capacity tires. But I think the F250 and F350 may be capable of
much greater capacities than commonly thought. In my own F250 I will
commonly throw a little over a ton of crushed stone in the bed without
any bad effects. The tires hold up well, and the bed does not sag. Oh
yes, my truck is 12 years old too.

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That our lads can make blood flow --
That the Hedemarkers hale
Can do more than tap good ale." - Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:02:34 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pulling to one side

Tom Higgins writes: >>I changed the front brak pads on my 96 F150 302 auto 5
days
ago (actually I ended up having it done since I got sick). Anyway,
I now have a pretty significant intermittent pull to the drivers side
when braking. I assume that the drivers side brakes (front or rear)
are binding more tightly than the other side. How do I determine
where the problem is so I can fix it?

The piston in the caliper on the opposite side might be "dragging" or sticking
slightly before it gets out of the bore far enough to cause the brake pad to
grip the rotor!!!
Just an idea...

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:11:52 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4

Hi,

I have a 91 F250 4x4 with a 5.0 EFI. I believe the oil pan has rusted
enough to become porous, I can't see any other leaks, and the bottom of the
pan is covered in oil, but not the sides or any other part of the engine.

I have the haynes manual for the truck and have read the procedure, any
tricks which might save me some time?

The truck has a 3" body lift so I think I should be able to get away without
removing the upper intake.

Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:01:01 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info

I was always taught that the load rating of any truck was dictated by the rating
of the axle(s). So that while you can probably manage to get a ton of stone on a
1/2 ton pickup once in a while without coming to grief, doing so regularly will
eventually cause premature axle failure. You also stand a good chance of a tire
blowing out if get the truck moving fast or for a long ride. To protect the
investment in your Ford (or any other truck), it is a good idea to pay attention
to those stickers the manufacturer puts on the door post below the latch. If in
doubt, stop at the scales on the way out of the quarry. The life you save could be
yours.

Mike

Chris Hedemark wrote:

> Scottie Schmidt wrote:
>
> > I have heard different info on the types of trucks. I thought a f150 is a
> > 1/4 ton truck, f250 a 1/2 ton truck, and a f350 a 3/4 ton truck. But I have
> > heard different info. If someone could please tell me what each one is.
> > Additionally I would like to know what the Ranger, and F100's are. And what
> > is the biggest F series truck.
>
> This doesn't work. In a recent issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords
> they did a review of the new SVT Lightening. The Lightening is is
> based off of an F150, and is said to have a reduced payload of only 800
> pounds. Well a 1/4 ton is 500 pounds. Sounds like the F150 can
> probably handle at least a half ton.
>
> The common thinking is more like this:
>
> F150 - half ton
> F250 - 3/4 ton
> F350 - one ton
>
> I really think that the *real* capacity of these trucks is greater. On
> the F150 maybe not too much greater because of the softer suspension and
> lower capacity tires. But I think the F250 and F350 may be capable of
> much greater capacities than commonly thought. In my own F250 I will
> commonly throw a little over a ton of crushed stone in the bed without
> any bad effects. The tires hold up well, and the bed does not sag. Oh
> yes, my truck is 12 years old too.
>
> --
>
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:32:34 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mixed info

Mike Sloane wrote:
>
> I was always taught that the load rating of any truck was dictated by the rating
> of the axle(s).
>
The final load rating is dicatated by the weakest link. Axle, tire,
frame, floor, whatever. Bicycle tires on a semi won't hold much ;-)

> So that while you can probably manage to get a ton of stone on a
> 1/2 ton pickup once in a while without coming to grief, doing so regularly will
> eventually cause premature axle failure.
>
Axle, or whatever the weakest link is. Yes.

> You also stand a good chance of a tire
> blowing out if get the truck moving fast or for a long ride.
>
In which case it was the tire that was the weakest link.

> To protect the
> investment in your Ford (or any other truck), it is a good idea to pay attention
> to those stickers the manufacturer puts on the door post below the latch.
>
Right. The manufacturers didn't put those stickers there for the fun or
to lower costs. In many cases it will also be illegal to overload the
vehicle.

> If in
> doubt, stop at the scales on the way out of the quarry. The life you save could be
> yours.
>
In which case the weakest link is your body. Yes. be careful. Make two
trips.
- --
Andre
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:24:32 CDT
From: "GREG PATTON"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

yeah well down here we all drink up Bud Light's with George on the radio and
in the rodeos and at night getten some after finishing the Bud Light

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:09:38 -0400
From: S Spaulding
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L Oil Pan replacement - 91 F250 4x4

Been there, '91 F150, 4x4, M5OD, but without the body lift.

I would still pull the upper intake manifold off, because it probably
swallowed parts of its gasket a long time ago.

Don't forget to remove the cooling shroud from the radiator, and, of
course, drain the pan...

I left the transmission and engine together, removed the transmission
mount, but left the crossmember in place. Once the engine mounts were
unbolted, I jacked it all up as high as it would go, allowing the
tailhousing to drop. I think I put wooden blocks between the motor
mounts and frame to support it. The rear of the engine ends up jammed
against the firewall.

Now, the fun begins. Drop the pan, reach into the gap and unbolt the
oil pickup. Knowledge of Braille helps. I changed the oil pump while I
was in there, but I don't remember if the pan would have gotten past it
or not.

Now slide the whole thing forward, and you should be able to snake it
around sideways, parallel to the radiator, and get it outthrough the
bottom. The suspension is a different, with the leaf springs vs. coils,
but I think the space in that area is the same.

This is where I made my two biggest mistakes. First, I looked up and
noticed a little green trickle coming down inside the back of the
block. Then I reached up an gave the timing chain a little nudge to
feel the slack. Needless to say, I ended up with a lot more work than I
had planned for.

I replaced the pan with one from the dealer ($75 or so, net, plus the
$20 Ford gasket). Three years later, it is starting to rust again. At
the same time, I replaced the two broken manifolds with headers,
replaced the broken cat with a new Ford one, installed a Dynomax
cat-back exhaust, did the heads, etc. for a total of about $2000.

Steve S.

Greg Carter wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 91 F250 4x4 with a 5.0 EFI. I believe the oil pan has rusted
> enough to become porous, I can't see any other leaks, and the bottom of the
> pan is covered in oil, but not the sides or any other part of the engine.
>
> I have the haynes manual for the truck and have read the procedure, any
> tricks which might save me some time?
>
> The truck has a 3" body lift so I think I should be able to get away without
> removing the upper intake.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:32:55 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - old truck

On 4 May 99, at 10:30, Scottie Schmidt wrote:

> Family is looking at a 84 F250 Utility Bed. We are going to sell our
>current truck. A 93 F150 XL 138,000 miles. Thinking about selling it for
>$3,500. I would like to know your thoughts on these trucks and prices.
>According to the seller, the truck has been giving the reg maintenance.
>He says it has 80,000 miles. How many more years or miles do you think
>this will last? I nkow that is a hard question,but I have mixed thoughts
>on it. It is old, but low miles. Thanks,

I have an '84 F-150 with only 91,700 miles on it at the present time.
Anyway, it's equipped with a pretty nice 302, has the power I need,
and the economy that I need as well. With the older trucks, you
do have to do a little to them, replacing the gearbox soon if it hasn't
been done (just went through that), check the shocks, brakes, and
all that other good stuff. $3,500 for an '84 F-250? I'd take it,
especially since I paid $3,600 for my F-150.

You might be a redneck if... You clean out your truck with a leaf
blower. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:32:33 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Ping

I second Wayne about those wires!!!

One day several months ago, I pulled my 350 gallon trailer empty on my
weekly trip 70 miles north. My 92 5.0 pinged on hills and such going up.

On a whim I moved my old Autozone wires FAR apart!

At nearly 3000 pounds coming back, NO PING! Even over BIG bridge over Ship
Channel!

However, a change to new Motorcraft wires didn't seem to change anything
else.

Get those wires apart!!!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:01:55 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

had to quit the cope
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:43:47 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Check Engine Light

I do not know what all your computer monitors in those fancy new trucks,
but at NIGHT with the LIGHTS and WIPERS on (and what about the DEFROSTER
fan and compressor?) I'd say your volts are dropping kind of low. Battery
may be weak, or alternator may be losing some of its output, or it may just
be normal, considering the load you are pulling on the electrical system.
My $0.02

At 10:02 04/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>The Check Engine Light on my 1991 Ford F150 comes on intermittently. It
>seems to happen more often at night and when the windshield wipers are on.
>All other guages are showing everything to be OK. Usually it goes out after
>a little while. Anybody got any idea what is going on?....


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