80-96-list-digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 125



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Sagging door
FTE 80-96 - bushings in the hinges
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Smog Pump
Re: FTE 80-96 - bushings in the hinges
FTE 80-96 - FORD: Recycling? or some other agenda?
FTE 80-96 - ABS Idiot Light
FTE 80-96 - Recall information and Technical Service Bullitens
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"
FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
FTE 80-96 - Tach probs
FTE 80-96 - 5.0L
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:10:38 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Sagging door

>From: Geoffrey Schrag
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Sagging door
>
> -Looks like I need to replace the upper
>door hinge on the drivers side on my
>Bronco. It makes a popping noise when
>you open the door then the door sags
>and has to be lifted back up into position
>to shut it right. Do you think I can work
>with this hinge or should I just replace it??

Yo Geof:

I had a similar problem a few years back w/ the upper hinges on both sides of my
1980 F250. On mine, it was not only sagging, but the wire spring that holds the
door open was broken as well. Ford uses the same hinge on F trucks and FS
Broncos from 1980 through 96/97, so it's easy to get the part.

I looked in the junkyards, but most of the hinges I saw there looked as worn out
as mine. I finally replaced mine w/ a new piece from the Ford dealer. It was
kinda pricey at about $60. The hinge design is revised, though, so it's
actually beefier and stronger than the original 1980 design and it now uses a
roller/flat spring to hold open the door, which will probably hold up better
than the original wire spring design.

One trick to mounting the new hinge is that you should pull loose the back few
bolts on the bottom of the front fender panel to get easier access to the bolts
that hold the hinge to the body. You can get to them w/ a long extension and a
u-joint when the door's open, but when you're trying to re-align everything,
it's a lot easier if you can work on those bolts w/ the door closed.

Good luck w/ your Bronco.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:45:12 -0500
From: Andy Norris
Subject: FTE 80-96 - bushings in the hinges

I've got a problem of the bushing inside the driver's side door being worn
down enough that it won't hold the door in position, and I have to
constantly be holding onto the door when I open it so I don't smash the
BMWs and whatnot I park next to.

Are these bushings easy to find/replace? I haven't looked too closely at it
yet.

Thanks,

Andy
89 F250
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:46:30 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Smog Pump

>From: "Mark Behling"
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Smog Pump
>
>Thanks for the response, but it was my impression
>that these pumps take away 5HP. The 49state
>4.9 I6 produces 150hp 3400 rpm, where the
>California model only has 145hp 3400 rpm.

Yo Mark:

I would bet that the smog pump used on CA models and 49-state models is the same
part. I would expect there are a lot of other changes to the CA configuration,
probably ignition timing and fuel delivery calibrations at the top of the list,
maybe the camshaft (though that seems unlikely).

I have to concur w/ Jim that the smog pump uses minimal power (probably less
that 0.25 hp, maybe 0.5 hp by the time you add up all the friction losses in the
belts, etc.). In the grand scheme of things, it is insignificant.

>From: Douglas Heckert
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: smog pump
>
>I was a Ford mechanic and have seen the
>results of removing the smog pump belt,
>exhaust heat will burn up the check valves and
>then it will burn up the pump.

This is all true. Exhaust pressure working against the check valve will
eventually burn through, although I would expect this to take quite a long time,
as that is exactly what the check valve is designed to do (i.e., prevent exhaust
back pressure from blowing back upstream and getting to the diverter valve or
the smog pump).

>I also think that the computer will know that
>there is a failure in that part of the emissions
>system. You will also shorten the catalytic
>converter's life. The smog pump puts out
>I believe about 2 lbs.positive pressure and
>while its a pain in the butt IT IS a part of
>the emissions system and as such is
>monitored by the computer thruogh the O2
>senser.

The EEC uses the O2 sensor to determine the correct air/fuel mixture (i.e.,
lean/rich) and injecting fresh air w/ O2 from the smog pump before the O2 sensor
would trick the computer into thinking the engine was always running leaner than
it really was. The O2 sensor is always placed upstream in the exhaust gas flow
from the point at which air is injected from the smog pump, specifically to
prevent interference from the smog pump. Therefore, the computer does not
monitor smog pump function w/ the O2 sensor. The only way the computer could
monitor smog pump function would be w/ some kind of pressure sensor on the smog
pump output.

Otherwise, Doug's assertion is true that disabling the smog pump will reduce the
life of the catalytic converter.

>These pumps have been on most engines
>for the last thirty years, before computers
>were a part of the vehicles emissions system
>you could remove the smog pumps belt,
>adjust the timing and carb some and maybe
>improve your fuel economy a little.

Once again, based on the minute power the smog pump consumes, this is not true.
Any theoretical improvement you could achieve from disabling the smog pump is
insignificant.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:55:26 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - bushings in the hinges

Andy Norris wrote:
>
> I've got a problem of the bushing inside the driver's side door being worn
> down enough that it won't hold the door in position, and I have to
> constantly be holding onto the door when I open it so I don't smash the
> BMWs and whatnot I park next to.
>
Don't worry about it. Those BMWs and whatnots won't damage your truck
;-)

> Are these bushings easy to find/replace? I haven't looked too closely at it
> yet.
>
Should be easy. Try the Help! section.

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Andre
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:28:54 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FORD: Recycling? or some other agenda?

About the news on FORD and their recently aquired Junk-yard in Florida:
What we see in the computer industry today (especially with the larger
companies like IBM...) is that these companies try to buy back all of the
"used" main-frame and storage equipment they manufactured, as they can find
it, in order to keep it all off of the second-hand markets... This could be
a ligitimate concern...

Todd

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My only worry with this is that they'll do much like Volkswagon did in
Canada a few years ago. They'd buy every VW that came in the yards. It
was almost impossible to find VW parts used, you pretty much had to buy
new.

Now, if they don't do that, and offer a fair price and offer parts for
other cars, too (undermining their prices, maybe :), then I'm ok with
it.

Andre, Somewhere ...

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>
> Earlier this week, I heard about this on the news. I live near Tampa,
> Florida, and I heard Ford bought a Copher's U-Pull it Junkyard in Tampa to
> start their "Auto Recycling Program". It seems like a good idea to sell
used
> auto parts online, since people sell everything else online.
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:24:41 -0500
From: clsw worldnet.att.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Idiot Light

Please, you guys must have heard this question a thousand times before
(but I'm new here!), so I'd appreciate any info you had....I have a 94
E350 van that has one of the dreaded ABS systems that has a glowing dash
indicator/idiot light on allmost all the time. Sometimes truck runs for
an hour before light comes on, sometimes five minutes.

Never seemed to notice any difference in performance of brakes when
light is on, but now am not so sure.

Was there ever a mass recall for these systems? I've heard of dozens of
folks with the same intermittent problems. I think Ford says "it's
OK...", but is there a solution generally known like loose connectors,
module? Finally, is the control module a part of the engine computer, or
a seperate item somewhere? Is it an economicle replacement part
(generic?)

Thanks much
Scott
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:02:35 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Recall information and Technical Service Bullitens

Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alldata.com/consumer/TSB/yr.html
and look at the recalls for your vehicle by year and model...
You won't be able to see more than the "titles" of the recalls,
but you'll get an idea as to what recalls there were.
I purchased the CD with all the info for my vehicle,
and I'm glad I did - I've found a couple of things
that I will be correcting (at my own cost)
due to possible safety concerns.

You can also go to the National Health and Safety web page,
at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ for additional
information.

Todd

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From: clsw worldnet.att.net [mailto:clsw worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:25 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS Idiot Light


Please, you guys must have heard this question a thousand times before
(but I'm new here!), so I'd appreciate any info you had....I have a 94
E350 van that has one of the dreaded ABS systems that has a glowing dash
indicator/idiot light on allmost all the time. Sometimes truck runs for
an hour before light comes on, sometimes five minutes.

Never seemed to notice any difference in performance of brakes when
light is on, but now am not so sure.

Was there ever a mass recall for these systems? I've heard of dozens of
folks with the same intermittent problems. I think Ford says "it's
OK...", but is there a solution generally known like loose connectors,
module? Finally, is the control module a part of the engine computer, or
a seperate item somewhere? Is it an economicle replacement part
(generic?)

Thanks much
Scott
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:23:50 CDT
From: "GREG PATTON"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

Ford people drink bud light, that's why I'm the "BUDMAN"


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:03:53 -0700
From: Matthew.G.Allen nww01.usace.army.mil
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"

My 95' F150 with a 302 started to ping when towing (3000lb boat package) at
55,000 miles. I changed plugs, wires, cap, and rotor and ping was gone. Am
now at 61,000 miles and ping is back, again only when towing. I don't tow
in overdrive, keeping at 60mph at around 2300 rpms. Ping doesn't seem to be
present at lower rpms. I also burn 89 octane gas, tried 92 octane and ping
still present. Any help greatly appreciated, thx in advance....

Matt Allen
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:14:36 -0700
From: Matthew.G.Allen nww01.usace.army.mil
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"

> My 95' F150 with a 302 started to ping when towing (3000lb boat package)
> at 55,000 miles. I changed plugs, wires, cap, and rotor and ping was
> gone. Am now at 61,000 miles and ping is back, again only when towing. I
> don't tow in overdrive, keeping at 60mph at around 2300 rpms. Ping
> doesn't seem to be present at lower rpms. I also burn 89 octane gas,
> tried 92 octane and ping still present. Any help greatly appreciated, thx
> in advance....
>
Matt Allen
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:45:15 -0700
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"

Found this in De Ja news. Take it for what its worth........ Mike

> Service Bulletin Number: BC1990930630

> Bulletin Sequence Number: 014
> Date of Bulletin: 9306
> NHTSA Item Number: SB033524
> Make: FORD TRUCK
> Model: EXPLORER
> Component: ENGINE:OTHER PARTS
> Summary: SPARK KNOCK OR APPARENT PISTON/BEARING NOISE ON THESE VEHICLES
MAY BE
> CAUSED BY CARBON DEPOSITS IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBERS. *TW
>
> Can't argue with my results. After retorquing the lower intake manifold
bolts,
> oil consumption has decreased from 1 quart in 1000 miles to 1 in 4,000
miles. And
> the pinging has been diminished 95% (almost undetectable). And others
have
> e-mailed me stating similar results. Need I say more??
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From: Matthew.G.Allen nww01.usace.army.mil

To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 2:16 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"


>
>> My 95' F150 with a 302 started to ping when towing (3000lb boat package)
>> at 55,000 miles. I changed plugs, wires, cap, and rotor and ping was
>> gone. Am now at 61,000 miles and ping is back, again only when towing.
I
>> don't tow in overdrive, keeping at 60mph at around 2300 rpms. Ping
>> doesn't seem to be present at lower rpms. I also burn 89 octane gas,
>> tried 92 octane and ping still present. Any help greatly appreciated,
thx
>> in advance....
>>
>Matt Allen
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:05:09 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

dude dont u know that all cowboy type guys drink coors!! and drive ford
trucks ????
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:31:09 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150, 5.0 Engine "Ping"

In a message dated 5/3/99 5:05:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Matthew.G.Allen nww01.usace.army.mil writes:


55,000 miles. I changed plugs, wires, cap, and rotor and ping was gone. Am
now at 61,000 miles and ping is back, again only when towing. I don't tow
in overdrive, keeping at 60mph at around 2300 rpms. Ping doesn't seem to be
present at lower rpms. I also burn 89 octane gas, tried 92 octane and ping
still present. Any help greatly appreciated, thx in advance....

Matt Allen >>


Matt,
Try making sure that the 1 & 2 wires and that the 5 & 6 wires are spread
apart in their looms. Mine was ticking and pinging like that. I moved apart
the wires, and made sure that my throttle body was really clean. You also may
want to check that all of your injectors are working. One of them clogged up
would cause a really lean condition, hence a ping or knock from detonation
would form.
I hope this helps,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC (5.0/4R70W)
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:48:56 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

Well, sorry guys....but I guess I am a sophisticated redneck because I drink
Michelob. And I am a diehard Ford fan.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:37:03 -0400
From: henry patino
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach probs

Hi All,

I've got a '93 Ranger/5-speed/3.0L and recently started to experience a
problem with the tach. It doesn't want to register any engine rpm above
2,200 in any gear. This happens all the time. Funny thing is that when
I run any gear hard, the tach will suddenly go from 2,200 rpms to 0 and
stay there till I stop accelerating hard. I've been doing some reading
in my Chilton book and seem to think that the problem may have something
to do with the ignition module but I'm not certain. Any personal
experiences, suggestions/comments from anybody would certainly help
point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance.

Henry Patino
'93 Ranger
'95 Explorer
'98 Mustang

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:30:26 -0500
From: "Sam Means"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L

My 1994 f150,club cab,with electronic OD and 5.0L engine makes very good
power when rpm is up to 3k and higher,but in the 1200 to 2300 range it is a
little shy on torque. Is there anything short of engine mods which will
improve low-end torque ?
I apparently have the mass-air setup which I understand is the more
desireable of the two offered. What about the K&N filter ? Does it actually
provide measureable improvement? What about adding duals? Do they provide
any significant low end torque improvement? I would appreciate hearing from
anybody who has first hand experience. Sam

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:08:14 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L

Sam,
The only way to really improve your low end torque is a cam or gearing
change. I have done many mods to my motor and trans. (running 14's in a
5050lb truck). With the mods I have done, I have lost a little low end
torque, but I am making much more power and the torque doesn't come in until
a little higher in the power band. I am personally going to change my rear
gear ratio to a 4.10 from the stock 3.55. This may take my highway speeds
down a bit, but I need to slow down on the highway anyway. Crane makes a
cam/lifter set that has a power band of 1500-4600 rpm. Since most people
drive in this range, this would be a great cam to give you some power and
torque down low and still retain most of your power up high.
Email me off list if you want more info or mods assistance.
Hope I have helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:18:50 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L

I put a K&N filtercharger in my '90 Bronco with the same engine and I
noticed a definite improvement. Exhaust mods usually will not give you much
of a power difference unless you replace thethe whole system, and even then
there is not too much power gain for a stock engine. In my opinion raising
the gear ratio is the best way to go if you have an OD tranny. You will
have much more low end power, but with the OD you will not loose too much
mileage on the highway.

Rade
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From: Sam Means
To: ford list
Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 7:39 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L


>My 1994 f150,club cab,with electronic OD and 5.0L engine makes very good
>power when rpm is up to 3k and higher,but in the 1200 to 2300 range it is a
>little shy on torque. Is there anything short of engine mods which will
>improve low-end torque ?
>I apparently have the mass-air setup which I understand is the more
>desireable of the two offered. What about the K&N filter ? Does it actually
>provide measureable improvement? What about adding duals? Do they provide
>any significant low end torque improvement? I would appreciate hearing from
>anybody who has first hand experience. Sam
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:09:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show

List member Stu Varner has asked that everyone who plans
to attend the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals send him
your name and how many people are in your group so he
can get a head count.

He can be reached at varners usit.net

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:21:56 -0500
From: vince a smith
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0L

I have a K&N filter in my 93. Put it in last week, I may have gotten an extra
mile per gallon on the highway.
Not real sure about the power on low end, maybe a slight amount.

If you are planning on keeping your truck for a while the K&N will save you
money in the long run on buying air filters. Mine cost 40.00 and the stock one
at NAPA is about 7-8 bucks so it will take a while to pay for itself but I
drive on allot of dusty roads, anyway My 2
Vince

Sam Means wrote:

> My 1994 f150,club cab,with electronic OD and 5.0L engine makes very good
> power when rpm is up to 3k and higher,but in the 1200 to 2300 range it is a
> little shy on torque. Is there anything short of engine mods which will
> improve low-end torque ?
> I apparently have the mass-air setup which I understand is the more
> desireable of the two offered. What about the K&N filter ? Does it actually
> provide measureable improvement? What about adding duals? Do they provide
> any significant low end torque improvement? I would appreciate hearing from
> anybody who has first hand experience. Sam
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:41:13 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

welll you all or yall no what i meen
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:45:09 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

DJ250r aol.com wrote:
>
> dude dont u know that all cowboy type guys drink coors!!

Nah, it's Lone Star!!!! I do agree about the Ford trucks though.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 01:41:21 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

No, real cowboys Chew Copenhagen, Drink Coors, and Drive Fords

Just my opinion
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 01:56:42 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

I'm not a cowboy. I don't chew , I don't drink, but I love FORD trucks!
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 02:04:36 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fw: Beer

GREAT OPINION COPE!! I AGREE W/ YOU TOTALLY!
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