80-96-list-digest Saturday, April 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 115



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Brief hiatus for me......Las Vegas or Bust !!!
RE: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - C-6 Transmission
FTE 80-96 - intermittent stalling
FTE 80-96 - Defective 302 in '93 f150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer Recalibration
FTE 80-96 - Vacuum Peculiarities
FTE 80-96 - '86 302 Valve Cover Gasket Replacement
FTE 80-96 - Kingpins
FTE 80-96 - Power Steering
Re: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer Recalibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Steering
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-150, Where's the power?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-150, Where's the power?
FTE 80-96 - Over/Under Aux Tranny

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:08:23 -0400
From: EJ
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Brief hiatus for me......Las Vegas or Bust !!!

Greetings guys and gals.

Late tomorrow mornin'(Sat) I'll be signing off of all my lists
temporarily. Sunday morning we'll be on plane to Vegas.

Should be back by lurking on the sidelines by late next Friday(30th).

And with any luck..... with a thicker wallet to be able to add to the
fleet ;).

Still too much on my "wish list", which I probably should'nt get into
;).

However, it *is* my birthday on Sunday...*hint hint*.

Buicks and some more Oldsmobiles take first preference. Cutlass/442 and
Skylark/GS convertables most appreciated as well as a dual-quad 64
Riviera, and a 71-72 Toronado, and a 79-81 Toronado XSC.....hmmm...
always liked the 71-72 Centurian Convertable, and the 69-72 Grand Prix,
67-70 Eldorado.........SORRY

"Dream mode" off !!!!

EJ
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1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:25:10 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem

sounds like you might have air in the hydraulic clutch line, or you have an
out of adjustment clutch cable.

Kevin Reed



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Max W. Cottrell
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:27 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem
>
>
> Just bought a '89 150 (my favorite year) from a friend who
> just bought it.
>
> 140K on the vehicle.
>
> 5.0L, 4 spd/OD, 2WD. Supposed to have a new clutch.
> Got a lot of "new clutch" hop, so I guess this is true.
>
> Tonight, I attempted to accelerate from a light on a
> hill.
>
> The rear wheels spun on the white stripes for the intersection,
> I got a little wheel hop, and the truck stopped with a great
> grinding sound.
>
> When I let in the clutch, the trans begins to engage and
> it sounds like the shifter isn't totally in gear (you know,
> like when you miss reverse and the gears grind), except
> it's louder.
>
> The clutch works okay when the engine is off, the trans engages
> when the engine is off.
>
> Any thoughts from anyone on this? Should I look at the clutch or
> the trans?
>
>
> Max W. Cottrell
> Ypsilanti, MI
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:49:30 EDT
From: SCha775396 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem

Please take me off of the mailing list.
Thank You
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:14:29 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - C-6 Transmission

I took out my C-6 from my '82 Ford F150 with 110K miles on it. I replaced
my 300 I6 with a 351W and mounted a TCI C-6 behind it, so I have a C-6
available. When I took it out, it did not slip nor leak, however, the fluid
was burnt when I drained it. Still had a reddish tinge but was a lot of
brown color also. I also have the stock torque converter if your
interested.

Steve
slikness hotmail.com

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From: Josh
To: Ford List
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - C-6 Transmission


> A friend of mine at work has a 1984 F250 S/C 4x4 351W. He asked me to look
> for a used C-6 for him. I/we are interested in a good used tranny in
> Washington State.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Josh
> berelson gte.net
> Edmonds, WA
>
> Microsoft announced today that they are having problems with the
development
> of Windows 2000. The release date has been moved up to January 1st, 1901
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:02:33 -0400
From: Douglas Heckert
Subject: FTE 80-96 - intermittent stalling

Hello everyone,
I have had a problem with my 86 F150 5.0L EFI stalling at long duration
stop lites, this is a intermitent condition and I can not figure out
what causes it. I have lived with this for a couple years because it
does not stall often. The engine has been completely rebuilt and it did
this before the rebuild as well as after. The garage who did the rebuild
could not find as cause. It does not seem to be temperature related nor
limited to warm weather. The engine will be running smoothly then it
feels like it misfires and then stalls. Every time it starts right up
without grinding the starter and runs normally. I remember a prior
posting from someone who's 86 F150 was doing the same thing but never
saw any follow-ups on it. Since 86 was the first year for the EFI
version of the 5.0L engine, is this a common problem with these engines?
Any ideas.
Thanks in advance

Douglas Heckert
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:04:21 PDT
From: "jerry tribbey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Defective 302 in '93 f150

At 51,000 miles the thrust bearing failed ruining the crankshaft. The
dealer's service department recommended
putting in a Ford authorized rebuilt long block since the cause of the
failure could not be determined. I have not had any luck getting Ford to
pick up any of the cost. Their customer assistance center has said 'no
help' a couple of times. I've tried writing a letter to Jim O'Connor,
president of the truck division, only to have the customer assistance center
intercept and reply 'no help'. Has anyone else had this defect or had any
luck getting Ford to share in the cost of their quality outside the warranty
period?

frustrated but not giving up, yet.




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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:44:06 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer Recalibration

No need to clear out computer. Plugs are not something drastic enough to
need it.

The engineer who designed the PCV system on that engine was a
double-jointed dwarf who moonlighted as an escape artist at clubs in
Ypsilanti to earn money to attend night school at Eastern Michigan
University.

At 10:32 22/04/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello list dudes, I recently changed the original spark plugs in my truck.
>Man were those plug wires hard to remove! Anyway, I found it much easier
>to get at the drivers side plugs after removing the tire on that side and
>working through the wheel well. I have two questions. After changing the
>plugs do I need to disconnect the battery for a minute, reconnect and allow
>the truck to idle for a few minutes for the computer to reset or recognize
>the changes made or will the computer adjust the calibration elements
>automatically. My second question is WHO IN THE HECK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
>THE LOCATION OF THE PCV VALVE ON MY TRUCK! This simple tune up item is
>impossible to get at! Against the firewall, under the EFI runners, man
>this makes me mad! I will attempt to get my 3 year old son to make the
>swap, he is the only one I know with hands small enough to make this swap.
>Wish me luck! LOL.
>
>Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
>"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4, 351cid
>"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: 23 Apr 99 15:13:34 PDT
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vacuum Peculiarities

Here's one for the compulsive puzzle-solvers. After a top-end rebuild, f=
rom
the lifters up, I spent several hundred miles getting the vacuum connecti=
ons
back to their original configuration. At least I think they're right. M=
y new
vacuum gauge works as advertised:

idle--rock steady at 23 psi

acceleration--drops to bottom and climbs back up

coasting--whips right up into the 18-25 area

part throttle cruise--varies with throttle and load in the 10-20 area

and here's the puzzle: it 'ticks' about 1-2 psi in cruise mode.

The ticking is less when the engine is cold, and it doesn't do it in
acceleration or coasting mode, or at idle. =


I suspect the valves in the vacuum lines or possibly minute intake leaks =
in
the manifold gaskets, but those are just hunches. =


Oh, yeah, still working on the choke, so it's wired open.

Anybody got an idea?

Bill

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:02:16 -0500
From: "Brent McNabb"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 302 Valve Cover Gasket Replacement

I am about to attempt replacing the valve cover gaskets on my '86 F-150 with a 302, EFI. Looks like I'll have to take off the upper manifold to get to the passenger side cover,
is there anything else to watch out for, any tips,especially for the manifold? Any help would be appreciated.


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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:37:29 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Kingpins

The kingpins (yes....kingpins :-( ) on my '81 F-150 are groaning.
Again. They were complaining three weeks ago and I greased them up real
good. two weeks later they're moaning like a civil servant having to get
up from his desk.

So, I'm assuming they're foozled. But, before I do something drastic
like bring it to a garage, any wisdom, tips and just general
observations on kingpins in these trucks? I'd hate it to pay good money
only to find out its a two dollar part that takes ten minutes to fix.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:18:38 -0400
From: S Spaulding
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Steering

This is the big weekend when I am going to replace the power steering
pump, lines, and steering box in my '91 F-150 4x4. Hopefully this will
stop some of the puddles from forming under the truck, and make things
quieter as well. I paid about $195 (plus core) for the box at NAPA, but
I got the pump and lines for free from a sister company that just
happens to make them.

Has anyone changed theirs lately?

Any tips?

I haven't even looked at the manual yet.

TIA for any help...
Steve
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:48:51 -0400
From: "Max W. Cottrell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New list member & a tranny problem

When the problem started, the drive train made several loud bangs, then
locked up partially. After that, I only get a loud gear grinding sound
when I let in the clutch in any gear, 1-5 and reverse.

Also, it's a Mazda trans. Started undoing the cables and such
tonight for my big tranny removal adventure. :-/

Kevin Reed wrote:

> sounds like you might have air in the hydraulic clutch line, or you have an
> out of adjustment clutch cable.
>
> Kevin Reed



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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:54:18 -0400
From: "Max W. Cottrell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Computer Recalibration

Jim Cannon wrote:

> No need to clear out computer. Plugs are not something drastic enough to
> need it.
>
> The engineer who designed the PCV system on that engine was a
> double-jointed dwarf who moonlighted as an escape artist at clubs in
> Ypsilanti to earn money to attend night school at Eastern Michigan
> University.
>

He was the one who put the Christmas lights on the water tower, too. He used
his toes to
attach the star to the shingles while plugging it into the extension cord. Gave
him the idea for
the PCV system.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:50:21 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Steering

The pulley on the power steering pump is press fit (at least it was back in
'82) and requires a puller that cost about $100. I took it to my local
mechanic who pulled the pulley from the old pump and pressed it onto the new
pump for $30.

Steve, too

- ----- Original Message -----
From: S Spaulding
To:
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Steering


> This is the big weekend when I am going to replace the power steering
> pump, lines, and steering box in my '91 F-150 4x4. Hopefully this will
> stop some of the puddles from forming under the truck, and make things
> quieter as well. I paid about $195 (plus core) for the box at NAPA, but
> I got the pump and lines for free from a sister company that just
> happens to make them.
>
> Has anyone changed theirs lately?
>
> Any tips?
>
> I haven't even looked at the manual yet.
>
> TIA for any help...
> Steve
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:14:43 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-150, Where's the power?

My 84 F-150 5.8L is slower than I can stand. I thought the 5.8 was supposed
to be a lot more powerful than this! My brother says it's just high geared.
But wouldn't that make it fast on the top end? It's not. My sticker says my
rearend is a K16. What's that mean? It runs great, but lacks power. How
can I make it faster? Thanks for any help.

David
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Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:49:36 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-150, Where's the power?

I believe the K stands for a C-6 automatic and the 16 shows that it has a
3.50 axle. That's not a bad ratio, 3.89 to 4.10 would probably be better.
Does your 5.8 have a 2 bbl carb or is it fuel injected? Also, remember that
you're hauling around about 4500 lbs. empty. If you really want a boost,
run nitrous.

Steve

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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-150, Where's the power?


> My 84 F-150 5.8L is slower than I can stand. I thought the 5.8 was
supposed
> to be a lot more powerful than this! My brother says it's just high
geared.
> But wouldn't that make it fast on the top end? It's not. My sticker says
my
> rearend is a K16. What's that mean? It runs great, but lacks power. How
> can I make it faster? Thanks for any help.
>
> David
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:55:51 -0700
From: Ted Ladd
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Over/Under Aux Tranny

Would appreciate comments on performance on either Gear Vendor or
U.S.Gear units coupled to a 460 cu.in. with a C-6 automatic. Am towing a
8500 lb. fifth wheel with a mint 350 dually and considering adding an
auxilliary tranny to improve performance on the hills and lower the
rpm's when running empty on the highway. Appears costs are in the range
of $2200 to 2600 U.S. dollars and when you convert that to Can. dollars....


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