80-96-list-digest Wednesday, April 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 112



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
FTE 80-96 - TPS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford 10.25
FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test
Re: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test
RE: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test
RE: [FTE 80-96 - truck won't start conclusion]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
FTE 80-96 - 97 F250 Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS
Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS
RE: FTE 80-96 - 97 F250 Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 1986 351W with 4-barrel
FTE 80-96 - Re:Made a web site.....2
FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter
FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter
FTE 80-96 - 84 F-250 460 conversion
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Made a web site.....2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter
FTE 80-96 - Rear ratio
FTE 80-96 - Header Gasket Problems

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:47:19 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor

In a message dated 4/19/99 11:52:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SHarris dfwairport.com writes:


know what type of driving I would be doing so he wouldn't put the incorrect
one in. He said if it wasn't the correct one, the engine wouldn't idle
right, it would surge up and down as it searched for the right setting.
This is my best theory so far but I am looking for other solutions that are
easier to fix first. I had a Lunati cam performance put in mine. It will
get up and go but the idle sucks. >>

Scott,
No offense, but that's funny. I have a Ford Motorsport E303 in mine and all
it took was a timing/idle adjustment and mine quit surging, even though it
wasn't doing it that often before. Mine idles at 795 solid, in gear, 950 in
Park.
Just musing,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:18:02 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TPS

Wayne,
Sort of chuckle myself when it dies just as the light turns green!
Did you retard/advance the timing? Is there any other way to adjust the
idle than the idle stop on the throttle linkeage?
I was going to play with the timing but was waiting to see what ideas others
had.



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:30:44 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford 10.25

Casey Vandor wrote:
>
> I have a friend at a local chevron station. He has access to a Ford
> 10.25 (non abs, one wheel wonder..) It is off a later model 3/4 ton
> that got t-boned pretty good (if that would rack an axle to much I
> don't know). He wants $500 for the axle. I havn't been able to have
> it checked (i am guessing they pull the shafts and check, look at the
> bearings.. not exactly sure). Asuming no rebuild is required, is $500
> bucks worth it? I am tightly strapped for cash right now, but if its a
> good deal.... I havn't physically seen it yet, (probably early next
> week) anything important to look for offhand?
>
> Next question: I am currently runing a semi floating D60.
>
Uhmmm, what's wrong witht he Dana? That's one tough axle, available in a
wide variety of trucks and even some cars (back when).

It would be a _lot_ easier to put in another similar axle. For one, you
may have to get your driveshaft lengthened (or more likely, shortened)
and $500.00 seems, to me, anyway, like a lot of money. I could be way
off on the cost. Call some wrecking yards to get a ball park price on
these. Most yards will get a part if they don't have it.

Keep shopping.

How do the
> shock mounts compare for the D60 and For 10.25? Same, or am I going to
> have to pay someone to weld some new ones on. Is it possible to cut
> the old off the D60 and weld the clips to the axle? I am guessing the
> spring mounts are the same.
>
It's possible to cut mounts off one and weld them on the other. They
might be the same. You might have to get the driveshaft length chaged.

As that commercial for a Detroit area drive-through restaurant used to
say: "Ka-CHING!".

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:45:10 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test

I have to go in for an emissions test some time next week. Does anyone know
of any techniques to ENSURE that this beast will pass? I have an 86 F150
EFI 302 with new plugs,wires,cap&rotor and exhaust. Is it possible to
advance or retard the timing, or some how lean the mixture. Could you fool
the computer into thinking it's running too rich, and make the computer do
all the work. I'm going for a very temporary thing here.

Any Ideas?

Kevin Reed.



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:15:01 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test

Kevin Reed wrote:
>
> I have to go in for an emissions test some time next week.
>
Ah, DriveClean. We don't have it up here. Yet.

> Does anyone know
> of any techniques to ENSURE that this beast will pass?
>
ENSURE? No way, unless it's right. Make sure you pass the pre-test. No
oil leaks, no oil burning, alignment, brakes, tires are good, etc etc.

> I have an 86 F150
> EFI 302 with new plugs,wires,cap&rotor and exhaust.
>
Is there a cataclysmic perverter on it? I don't know about '86 trucks.
Otherwise, the stuff you've done will go a long way towards it passing.
As will new filters, PCV valve etc. In the Wheels section of the Toronto
Star, they mentioned that new oil might help a bit, too. That was two or
three weeks ago. maybe four.

> Is it possible to
> advance or retard the timing, or some how lean the mixture. Could you fool
> the computer into thinking it's running too rich, and make the computer do
> all the work. I'm going for a very temporary thing here.
>
Leaning it out will raise NOx levels, so will advancing it. Too rich
will raise CO and HC levels. It's all a matter of balance.

> Any Ideas?
>
Take it for a good long drive before the test. 50 km at highway speeds
ought to do it. Try not to let it cool down before you actually get in
the test rollers. But don't let it sit there and idle, since that can
load up the cat somewhat.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:20:43 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test

The best things I know of are to change the oil and replace the air filter
just before you go for testing.

Dale Ratcliff
Email : dratc Telxon.com




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From: Kevin Reed [mailto:kreed ICAN.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 9:45 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test


I have to go in for an emissions test some time next week. Does anyone know
of any techniques to ENSURE that this beast will pass? I have an 86 F150
EFI 302 with new plugs,wires,cap&rotor and exhaust. Is it possible to
advance or retard the timing, or some how lean the mixture. Could you fool
the computer into thinking it's running too rich, and make the computer do
all the work. I'm going for a very temporary thing here.

Any Ideas?

Kevin Reed.



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:33:39 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: [FTE 80-96 - truck won't start conclusion]

Hey Group,
First of all thank you for the info, it wound up being the TFI module.I
put the new one on the truck started right up. Now I have a question for
the group, Should I have replaced the magnetic pickup(stator) I didn't
want to bother taking the distributor out if I don't have to, because
the truck is running great. Once again thanks and thanks in advance.

Eric
89 F150 4.9L XLT Lariat 4X4 4sp
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:43:26 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor

my motor is stock, and yes you'll have that problem on high lift cams, i
recommend using a roller cam, idles better.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Harris, Scott
To:
Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:45 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor


> Hey John L.,
>
> Did you have a performance cam put in it? My mechanic said he needed to
> know what type of driving I would be doing so he wouldn't put the
incorrect
> one in. He said if it wasn't the correct one, the engine wouldn't idle
> right, it would surge up and down as it searched for the right setting.
> This is my best theory so far but I am looking for other solutions that
are
> easier to fix first. I had a Lunati cam performance put in mine. It will
> get up and go but the idle sucks.
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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:03:11 -0500
From: Jason DiSalvo
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 97 F250 Problem

Hi, I hope someone can help me. Can someone tell me if they know of an
alingment problem withe the f250. It's 4x4 and and automatic. The dealer
has had it 6+ times. They cant get it correct. It pulls to the right. They
do something then it pulls to the left. The stearing is very loose. I wanna
get new tires but I dont want to til this is fixed. What can I do. Anyone
have this problem?

Thanks in advance
- -Jason

**************************************************************************
Jason DiSalvo
disalvo tco.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:13:31 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS

In a message dated 4/20/99 7:20:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SHarris dfwairport.com writes:


Sort of chuckle myself when it dies just as the light turns green!
Did you retard/advance the timing? Is there any other way to adjust the
idle than the idle stop on the throttle linkage?
I was going to play with the timing but was waiting to see what ideas others
had. >>

Scott,
What lift and duration cam do you have? I had to retard the advance the
timing about 1.5 degrees and adjust my idle screw in on the throttle stop
linkage about 1-1.5 turns. I know they say don't adjust the screw on an EFI
motor, but in my case it worked. As far as the adjustments YOU need to
make...you'll have to play around with it a bit to find you sweet spot. As
each cam and motor have different characteristics, the adjustments will have
the same differences. Just make sure that you don't set your idle too high.
Check it at both neutral and in gear to make sure you find a happy medium.
Yeah I used to have the "feel really silly right now" grin too, but now I
just laugh to see their eyes grow smaller as I leave them at the light.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:27:10 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TPS

A correction to my earlier post..I saw that I had mad a mistake on the first
line of my reply...I had to advance the timing 1.5 degrees...
Wayne
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:29:41 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 97 F250 Problem

The problem can be warped belts in your tires. If you want to test this,
rotate the fronts and the backs. If that doesn't help, take it back to
Ford. They built it, they should be able to fix it. (or so you'd think!)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jason DiSalvo
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 12:03 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 97 F250 Problem
>
>
> Hi, I hope someone can help me. Can someone tell me if they know of an
> alingment problem withe the f250. It's 4x4 and and automatic. The dealer
> has had it 6+ times. They cant get it correct. It pulls to the right. They
> do something then it pulls to the left. The stearing is very
> loose. I wanna
> get new tires but I dont want to til this is fixed. What can I do. Anyone
> have this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance
> -Jason
>
> **************************************************************************
> Jason DiSalvo
> disalvo tco.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:48:13 -0700
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 1986 351W with 4-barrel

Casey

Can't really help you. I rebuilt the engine this winter, boring 20 over,
adding a modified cam, timing chain, and high-volume oil pump. Since I was
building for torque and high RPM was not an issue, I left the fuel &
ignition systems stock.

Dennis

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From: Casey Vandor
To: Ford Truck List
Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 2:52 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 1986 351W with 4-barrel


>Can't help with your problem, sorry... I am curious as to what you are
>running for a manifold and ignition system. I am trying to figure out
>how to swap my EEC III out, but not sure where to begin. I have looked
>at the holly 4160 carb and the weiand stealth manifold (non egr) but
>then I am still looking at a new ignition system.
>
>Thanks as usual.......
>Casey Vandor
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/CaseyV/
>83 F-250 4X4
>75 W-200 4X2
>
>
>>>>>>
>Re: 1986 351W with 4-barrel
>My truck is equipped with a carb that has a built-in fuel filter. The
>problem is, the fuel filter nut refuses to remain tight, which causes
>agas
>leak. It loosens up by itself after being securely tightened. This
>loosening effect occurs about every 500-1000 miles.
>The gas line routes from the fuel pump, across the front of the
>block.It
>then travels across the top of the intake manifold and fastens to
>thecarb.
>Any solutions will be gratefully accepted.
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
> >
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:57:05 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Made a web site.....2

Hey all,

I redid the site thanks to all the feedback. take a look, let me know.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker


Mike Baker
1985 F-150 4x4

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:36:03 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter

This has happend to me three times in the last 6 months or so. I go to
start the engine and all I get is a loud clank sound as the starter
engages? but nothing else. If I return the key to the off position and try
again there is no sound and all my dash lights dim while the key is in the
crank position. Get out, open the hood, slam it closed and try again. It
starts!!

What gives? Is my starter kaput?


- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ponsford721-7397 or mponsfor uvic.ca


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:37:39 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter

This has happend to me three times in the last 6 months or so. I go to
start the engine and all I get is a loud clank sound as the starter
engages? but nothing else. If I return the key to the off position and try
again there is no sound and all my dash lights dim while the key is in the
crank position. Get out, open the hood, slam it closed and try again. It
starts!!

What gives? Is my starter kaput?

Opps. Sorry for second post but forgot to include => '88 F150 w/302


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:10:58 EDT
From: Jgearhead aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 F-250 460 conversion

Greetings,
I have an 84 F-250 with a well used 351W and granny 4sp. I also have a
rebuilt 73 460 that would look great in my truck. I have heard that 390
pickup motor mounts will work on this conversion, and I can use a 390
flywheel and 351M bell housing and keep my granny 4 speed? Has anyone done
this conversion and what can I expect?
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:49:25 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Made a web site.....2

mike
nice truck, i got a 86 s-cab long bed 4x4 looks a little like that, nice
truck too, nice articles as well.
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From: PmctBaker
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Made a web site.....2


> Hey all,
>
> I redid the site thanks to all the feedback. take a look, let me know.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker
>
>
> Mike Baker
> 1985 F-150 4x4
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:56:50 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Intermitent problem with starter

Mark Ponsford wrote:
>
> This has happend to me three times in the last 6 months or so. I go to
> start the engine and all I get is a loud clank sound as the starter
> engages? but nothing else. If I return the key to the off position and try
> again there is no sound and all my dash lights dim while the key is in the
> crank position. Get out, open the hood, slam it closed and try again. It
> starts!!
>
> What gives? Is my starter kaput?
>
My first guess is that the battery cable(s) is (are) not tight. Clean
them throughly with a baking soda/water mix. When you impart a vibration
to the connection, it makes enough to start the truck. Could be other
loose connections in the circuit, too.

Oh, and the starter relay (looks like a little can on the passenger side
fender with BFCables running to it). It's a relay. It may be sticky, and
a little vibration loosens it up.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:29:56 -0500
From: Tom Wiggins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rear ratio

Hi Guys! I have a 81 F250. Can someone tell which rear ratio I have. The
code is 42. Thanks, Tom

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