80-96-list-digest Sunday, April 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 108



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Great Gas Out
FTE 80-96 - ladder racks
FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering
FTE 80-96 - stake bed
RE: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?
Re: FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering
FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off
Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out]
Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out
Re: FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering
Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out]
Re: FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off
Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sorry I was so late on the wheel hop thing...been SICK!
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
FTE 80-96 - 300-6 water flow
Re: FTE 80-96 - mass-air
Re: FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300-6 water flow
FTE 80-96 - SQEALING NOISE OUT BACK

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 05:47:51 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Great Gas Out

enough.
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:47:35 PDT
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ladder racks

Hi,
Would like to build father and grandfather ladder racks for their
trucks. They both need and will need them badly. Father has a 93
F-150 XL. And grandfather does not have anything yet but will most
likely getting a F-150 4x4. I am currently mainly concentraiting on
my fathers truck.
It has a 8 foot bed, and a bedliner. For now we are going to make it
out of would till we get the tools to make a nice steel one. I took
some measurements, please tell me what you think about them! If I am
correct, from the floor of the bed to about 2 inches above the cab is
4 feet. The bed is just about 6 feet wide. And from the back of the
truck to the front is 12 feet long.
If those measurements are correct I believe I will need the following
lumber for sure.
4 - four footers (for the "legs", will be going up and down in the
corners of the bed.
4 - six footers (for the top of the rack to go left to right, to put
the equipment on)
2 - twelve footers for the two sides (will attach to the 4 legs, and
will attach the 6 footers to them.)

I am still looking for better designs, and better ideas of how to make
it. If anybody has any good webpages for this kind of stuff, please
let me know ASAP!
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:49:52 -0400
From: Philip Thomason
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering

Hello. My 1995 F-150 has recently begun having difficulty steering. In
the past three days I've noticed that after a sharp turn (street corners)
the truck will begin to pull rather strongly to the left or right. I
expect the direction of pull is related to the direction of the turn but I
hadn't noted it. I then have to apply a higher than usual force to the
steering wheel to keep the truck going straight.
If I jerk the wheel briefly and sharply in the other direction, it will
return to it's original sort-of right-hand pull.
The truck's performance doesn't seem to be affected by this, and I haven't
noticed any unusual noises during the turns. I had been hearing clunks and
pops earlier that I'd attributed to loose rivets.

And a note to anyone interested...

checked my transfer case fluid level for the first time since I got the
truck (about 3 months ago). When I removed the fill plug the fluid
starting flying out of the hole! It was like the transfer case was full to
the top with fluid. I double and triple read the description of the proper
fluid level, assuming I'd missed something, but no. I called a Ford
dealership and was told that the input shaft seal on the transfer case can
fail, and is known to, allowing transmission fluid to leak slowly into the
transfer case. There is a replacement seal available for the input shaft
from Ford.

Thanks,
Phil
'95 F-150 XL 4x4 (sorta, front hubs are disabled)
302, 4R70W


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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 06:48:00 PDT
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - stake bed

Hi,
It has been a while since I posted so I am going to refresh you on
who I am. I am the person who asked all those questions on
snowplowing, and a farm truck! Now I will update you. My grandfather
who owns the 12 acre farm, has his car on the market for about $14000,
and is going to buy a truck when he sells his car! He is planning on
spending know more than $12500. My dad who was interested in snow
plowing, still is, but is not quite in the position to buy a truck,
but we are still keeping our eyes open for one. Now for who needs
what. My grandfather needs a good farm truck, it has to be 4x4 and
with low miles, and most likely a 150. My dad wants a 250 4x4, under
$5000.
Questions:
- How are the F350 stake beds for plowing? I am talking
about the ones with 6 wheels. Do they have such a one that is 6 wheel
drive? On the 4 wheel drive trucks, do the 4 rear tires spin, or is
it 2 in the front and 2 in the back? Basically I would like to know
the different kinds (2whl. drive, 4whl. drive etc.) and which ones can
do plowing. My dad is kind of looking at those for the bed space on
them, he will adventually be pulling trailers, and hauling steel. He
also wants to do a little plowing.
- What are your thoughts on lift kits? My dad hauls alot
of steel, will a lift kit help when hauling heavy loads? Or does it
just make it higher for the looks? Basically what effect does it have
on the suspension?
- What is the bed size for a 86-96 truck with an extended
cab? Grandfather might be onterested in one!

I hope these are not to many questions, but you guys are wonderful and
I appreciate all the info you give me!

Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:05:31 +0000
From: Ken Justice
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?

Hello,

I checked out Mike's page also and it looks good. (Trucks, motorcycles
and hunting is quite a combination!)

For you hunters out there, the following may be of interest to you.

My nephew wrote several humorous hunting tales a while back for a local
publication. I'm in the process of putting some of these tales on line.

There is one about his truck that is quite hilarious and I'll put it on
line real soon. (I'm behind by a month or so on this project.) You can
access these stories directly
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.workingmat.com/hunting.html

Regards,
Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
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Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?

Now thats my idea of a web page, Trucks, Motorcycles, and hunting!

Good job, except when I click on the "Bronco I" I see your '85 F-150.
When I
click on your "Bronco II" I see your '78 Bronco I.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PmctBaker [mailto:Pmbaker your-net.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 5:48 PM
> To: FORD F-150 LIST
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I went and did it. I made a web page. Take a look and let
> me know how I
> can make it better. Have something to add? Let me know.
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker

later
mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:13:10 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering

Philip Thomason wrote:
>
> Hello. My 1995 F-150 has recently begun having difficulty steering. In
> the past three days I've noticed that after a sharp turn (street corners)
> the truck will begin to pull rather strongly to the left or right. I
> expect the direction of pull is related to the direction of the turn but I
> hadn't noted it. I then have to apply a higher than usual force to the
> steering wheel to keep the truck going straight.
> If I jerk the wheel briefly and sharply in the other direction, it will
> return to it's original sort-of right-hand pull.
> The truck's performance doesn't seem to be affected by this, and I haven't
> noticed any unusual noises during the turns. I had been hearing clunks and
> pops earlier that I'd attributed to loose rivets.
>
Sounds just like my '81. In my case it was (is) the kingpins. Grease the
bewillickers out of them. You have to jack up both front wheels, grease,
run the steering wheel lock to lock several times, repeat. Grease at
straight ahear and full lock in each direction.

That did it for me. It's still no sportscar, but it doesn't groan and
pull (as much)
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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 10:53:39 -0400
From: "Jeff Fairbairn"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off

Sometimes when I first startup my '96 F-150 4x4, 302 it reeves up to normal
and drops down below normal once or twice. Then when driving in stop and go
traffic the check engine light will come on. I have changed the plugs,
wires, cap.r otor, fuel filter and PCV value Has anyone seen this before?

Thanks,
Jeff


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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:11:47 -0400
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

On 12 Apr 99, at 9:27, PmctBaker wrote:

>On a related note:
>I drive the same freeway/expressway every day, and this is when the wheel
>hop is most noticeable. Well yesterday I went to the lake on a different
>route, and no wheel hop at all. I'm thinking the road is shot! and my
>springs are just "tired". (I'll get new ones anyway)

I had the same problem with my truck. When I would hit speeds of
around 70/75 MPh the truck would shake REAL bad. The dash
was vibrating bad enough to the point that the stereo would stop
working momentarily. I went ahead and put a new gearbox in, new
shocks, had the wheels balanced and aligned and it's no longer
shaking. I pushed it up to 80 last night coming back home and the
truck ran smoothly.

You might be a redneck if... You have a refrigerator just for beer.
- Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:53:24 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

craig, buy the Hanes book, i used to use chilton's til i picked up the
hanes book. believe it's 15 times better.

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> From: craig n eggerman
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:53 PM
>
> Any body know a source or have posted wiring diagrams. Just got my 61-88
> Chiltons for vans from barnes and noble and was a little disappointed at
> the content. I may send it back.
> Craig Eggerman juno.com
> Casper,Wyoming
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:03:09 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor

scott, ive got a 86 with 167,000 rebuilt at 120,000 or so, runs like a
dream, except i got the same idle problem as you. it goes away if i rev it
up alittle though, i've replaced all the sensors and still got the same
problem, let me know what you find out. thanx john

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> From: Harris, Scott
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 1999 9:30 PM
>
> I'm looking for an idling problem cure. I stop at one red light and my
'85
> 302 idles fine. Stop at the next one and the idle goes up and down until
it
> gets so low it dies. Doesn't matter if a/c is on or not. Starts right
up
> with no problem.
>
> Wanted to know if a bad throttle position sensor would completely go out
or
> could it possibly act like I described? It's got 192,000 miles on it and
it
> is still the original.
>
> If it is, I know I need a gasket for the throttle body when I remove it,
but
> can I leave all the linkeages connected and move it enough to get to the
> sensor screw? Anything else need attention while I'm in that area?
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott Harris
> 1985 F150 S/C 302FE
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:12:22 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out]

u still got the old 352 around?

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> From: LHopk99567 aol.com
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out]
> Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:48 PM
>
> A few years ago I had an F250 with the 352 engine. That engine was a
power
> house but it was a 10 Mpg engine. Even pulling a 25ft travel trailer with
an
> 11ft Roll-a-long camper and 4 adult's and 3 kids it got 10Mpg. That truck

> would pull your sick grandmother off her toilet seat. I bought a new 73
F250
> with the 390 and it wouldn't pull grandma off.
> I put some plugs called "Fire Ring's" in the old 352 truck and they
lasted a
> very long time, but I didn't notice any change in the Milage or starting
it
> on Cold days.
> Later on I did some 'Road Racing' with a very good 250CC single and tried
a
> multiple electrode plug in it. The result's were not good. The plug
seemed to
> work OK till you got on the Straight-away where they started to fade a
little
> on the 2nd or 3rd trip around. This isn't a very scientific report, I
> realize, but suffice to say.... I haven't spent any money on them since
the
> 60's and early 70's.
> There may be a good solid engineering reason for multiple electrode
plugs. I
> would have to see the independent test lab's report before I'd try them
> again.
> I just sold my 78 F150 4X4. It has a 300 six. I liked that truck. In fact
I
> may repossess it.
> It always started (Alaska) and got 13 Mpg. Curiously though, it was hard
on
> plug's but I never tried the M. E. plugs in it though.
> If Your's ever gives you a hint of engine trouble, change the Cap, wires
and
> plugs, and I think you will have another 20,000 trouble free miles.
> We had the California emissions testing up there, and I had to replace
two
> exhaust manifold's. They kept cracking just below the Carburator base. I
had
> to replace a carb too.
> We bought that truck with over 200,000 miles (documented) and I put
another
> 125,000 on it, hauling and pulling heavy load's, and I was sorry to have
to
> sell it.
> It had the 4 speed Granny xmission, which was the only thing I didn't
like
> about it.
> Thank's for answering. I want some information on overloads but when I
tried
> to input the querie it came back with "unknown Host".
> We are leaving for a long vacation this tueaday so It will have to go on
hold
> for awhile.
> Dick
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:13:44 -0700
From: "john labriola"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out

yeah thats what i think too

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> From: Matthew Banevich
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out
> Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 12:00 AM
>
> As has been said before, If your opinion doesn't match others, keep it
> to yourself, and by the way the link mentioned is opinoinated
> severely... please keep the opionionated mail to a minimum, because we
> all joined these mailing lists to solve our problems with our Ford
> Trucks........ I don't go around saying that Chevy's the best then
> comes Ford, but that's my opinion, and that Dodge totally sucks....
> please stop with the great gas out,
>
> If you want to take part in it, DO SO, if you don't, DON'T !!!
>
> Just my 6 cents
>
>
>
>
>
> Giddens, Scott wrote:
> >
> > shy anne wrote:
> >
> > > for what it's worth, it is not just an email scam. the local news and
> > > radio stations have been reporting about it also.
> >
> > Because you saw it on TV that makes it not a waste time?
> >
> > I would check out this site before you follow that advice.
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blhoax.htm?pid=2733&cob=home
> >
> > This was started in California because they lost a couple of refineries
due
> > to fires. Naturaly the price of gas went up there and they are upset.
This
> > is just a knee jerk reaction to the problem and not a cure. Instead of
> > cutting back or selecting an alternate means of transportation, they
start
> > this silly protest. Even replying to these comments is a waste of
bandwidth.
> >
> > But I will tell you what, I will go farther than that, I won't even
drive
> > that day. If everyone did it would at least make the oil industry
notice. If
> > you believe in this protest at least do the same. Otherwise you are
kidding
> > yourself.
> >
> > IMHO, Just because you buy gas on Thursday, and don't buy gas on
Friday, is
> > not going to show anything but make you feel good about it, like you
> > actually did something. How nice it is to feel warm and fuzzy about
> > something without having to give up anything. That is after all the
> > California way to do things, as long as they talk about fixing
something,
> > and stomp their foot, that is enough, who cares if the problem is still
> > around afterwords.
> >
> > Scott
> >
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:26:34 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '95 F-150 steering

Same thing happened to me in and old 41 Chevvy. The Kingpin siezed and I went
right into someone's berry Patch. Grease it good first, and if you notice
anything different than very smooth performance, get them fixed!! DIck
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:34:04 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - The Great Gas Out]

Nope, A curious thing happened though. When I took the head's in to have the
valves ground Etc Etc, I didn't get my head's back. They told me they were
picking up all those old head's and putting out new one's. It still ran good
but didn't have the power. I just thought the fault was mine, and found out
years later that those head's were valuable to some 'power mad' people.
What did you decide on the M.E. plugs? DIck
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:35:06 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off

Jeff Fairbairn wrote:
>
> Sometimes when I first startup my '96 F-150 4x4, 302 it reeves up to normal
> and drops down below normal once or twice. Then when driving in stop and go
> traffic the check engine light will come on. I have changed the plugs,
> wires, cap.r otor, fuel filter and PCV value Has anyone seen this before?
>
Check the computer codes first
( http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.c-edge.com/shotimes/references/eecarticle.TXT ). That will
often tell you something. As a guess, the O2 sensor, EGR valve or Idle
Speed Actuator. I would kind of suspect that it isn't the O2 sensor,
because you're having trouble at startup, it seems. The O2 sensor
doesn't work until it's hot. Now, if the idle drops to below normal
after 30 - 45 seconds or so, then I'd suspect it. The computer gets all
its fine-tuning information from the O2 sensor and if it's bad it won't
quite know what to do.

Oh, the vehicle speed/distance sensor could set off some of the
symptoms, too, though usually not at start up.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:38:20 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor

I have also got the same problem as you guys.....'86 302

I will let you know when i figure it out....if i ever do!!!!!
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:07:01 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sorry I was so late on the wheel hop thing...been SICK!

In a message dated 4/15/99 11:39:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dharmier gte.net writes:


that is Easily accomplished via the in dash wiring...I can not STAND
anything much louder than stock, just needs more power for Bass, and Highs!
>>
Dave,
Sorry I haven't made a reply ...the Fun Ford Weekend is here and I been
running....in the races that is,see the later post I'm going to make after I
reply to this one. The number one way to double your sound output is quiet
the road noise. Add Dynamat, Roadkill or just plain old undercoating under
the carpet and on all metal surfaces in the cab....-3 dB in noise will sound
like double the power of your stereo...try it and see.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"...to some trucks at Atlanta FFW!!!! =)
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:13:16 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

In a message dated 4/15/99 7:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Lwskywalk aol.com writes:


or comments for 1994 f150 302 >>
Email me off list as I am sure these guys are tired of hearing me spout off
about my 94 Flareside 5.0L.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:31:28 -0500
From: William Zellmann
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300-6 water flow

Got a really "dumb question"; I was sure I understood, but then I got to
thinking "what if It's wrong", etc. Like the centipede who drove himself
crazy when he tried to watch his feet!

What's the direction of flow of water in the 300-I6? Is it engine-water
pump-radiator-thermostat-engine, or the reverse????

I've really talked myself into a tizzy this time!

Thanks

Bill Zellmann
'82 F-100, 300 I6

"Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it!"
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:34:16 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mass-air

Sam,
Email me off list. I can let you in on all the info you need.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:38:51 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - engine reeving and falling off

Jeff,
Check your Mass Air meter, and the throttle position sensor.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:41:55 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300-6 water flow

no its engine the water flows through the bottom of the radiator through the
engine out to the thermostat through the upper hose into the radiator and....


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