80-96-list-digest Friday, April 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 106



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs
RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
FTE 80-96 - RE: Wheel Hop
FTE 80-96 - Sorry I was so late on the wheel hop thing...been SICK!
FTE 80-96 - Spongy Brake Pedal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Air-Fuel monitors
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
FTE 80-96 - Air filter
FTE 80-96 - vacuum system for 82 Clubwagon XL
FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
Re: FTE 80-96 - Spongy Brake Pedal
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
Re: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams
FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor
RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea and gas mileage
FTE 80-96 - FUEL GAUGE NOT ACCURATE

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:25:17 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs

Just my "two cents" but I put the new "Bosch four electrode" plugs in about 3
weeks ago and so far its been nothing but good news! I was averaging 9-10
miles/gallon and now I'm getting about 11-12 miles/gallon and I can really
tell a increase in the power from a stand still. By the way, my truck is a
'92 F250 with a 351 bored over .060 (now a 373).

Hope this helps!
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:15:05 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

Craig,

What-cha need? ive got diagrams for 1980 thru 1992, from the Haynes
manual. I'll scan and send.

mike baker
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:10:58 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs

Just my "two cents" but I put the new "Bosch four electrode" plugs in
about 3 weeks ago and so far its been nothing but good news! I was
averaging 9-10 miles/gallon and now I'm getting about 11-12 miles/gallon
and I can really tell a increase in the power from a stand still. By
the way, my truck is a '92 F250 with a 351 bored over .060 (now a 373).

The Bosch plugs seem to be good, but also seem to have a shorter life. I
used to use them, but i use just NGK plugs now! I have heard alot of
good things about the AC Delco Rapid Fires but have no persoanl
experience!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:36:29 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea

Here's some clues:

1. They know we are outraged.

2. They don't care.

3. You are still giving them your money.

4. They won't listen until they are impacted money wise.

5. This is an E-mail scam and you fell for it.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Banevich [mailto:batman mc.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 9:08 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
>
>
> These people are missing the point, it is to show how outraged we are
> with the current fuel products!!!!
>
> Catch a clue
>
>
>
> Dave Resch wrote:
> >
> > >From: 2insane excite.com
> > >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
> > >
> > >THE GREAT "GAS OUT"
> >
> > Yo Insane One:
> >
> > Do you believe in market economics? What would this do to
> prices on the
> > preceding Thursday and following Saturday? If you assume
> that prices react
> > instantly to the change in supply and demand (which they
> don't), then prices
> > would increase on Thursday and Saturday exactly by the
> amount they dropped on
> > Friday (which they won't), since everyone who would have
> bought gas on Friday
> > will simply re-schedule that purchase to Thursday or Saturday.
> >
> > If you really want to have an impact, just quit driving
> your truck and using
> > petroleum products altogether. Now, if we could get a few
> hundred million
> > people to go along with that, there'd be more gas (and
> cheaper) for the rest of
> > us!
> >
> > Dave R. (M-block devotee)
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:56:51 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Wheel Hop

Road condition, AH HA!!!

Here in Texas (Houston Area) we've got this great piece
of road called Eastex Fwy (I-59 N).

This road has broken my trailer twice, Caused no end of
anxious momemts, in other words You found your problem!

Dave H.
Houston, TX

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:23:23 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Sorry I was so late on the wheel hop thing...been SICK!

Apparently my connection timed out a couple days ago before I sent my
reply!

To the guy with spongy brakes...yep Master Cylinder!!!

To the 86 Fuel Filter guy...up near the exhaust in the frame rail was were
our 88 filter was...be glad you don't have a 92!!!

To the radio and ground people...I want to perhaps double my wattage, but
that is Easily accomplished via the in dash wiring...I can not STAND
anything much louder than stock, just needs more power for Bass, and Highs!

I think that covers MOST of the stuff.

Oh the Fan Question....when my A/C was repaired (and switched to 134a) they
put on a fan clutch that NEVER stopped howling....I've since replaced it
with a slightly more forgiving one, And I can SURE tell a difference!!!!
(It'll rev 1000 rpm higher!)

Dave H.
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:39:49 -0500
From: "Neff, Charles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Spongy Brake Pedal

I have a 87 F-150 SC with 167,000 miles on it that has the same problem. I
too first
suspected the master cylinder and replaced it only to have the same problem.
I am not so bad at bleeding brake lines so as to leave enough air in the
system
to sink the pedal to the floor... maybe a spongy pedal at worst.

Could this be a problem associated with the antilock control valve and
however
it works to control the pressure to the rear wheels?

If you find a solution, please let me know. Believe me, the problem will
not go away
by itself. Somehow I think the excessive pedal travel (day after day) may
have caused
the Brake booster to fail... and its replacement did not solve the problem
either.

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I have a couple of questions regarding my 81 F100 Custom. My truck is in
> good shape with 60,000 miles on it, I've only owned it a year so I don't
> know the maintenance history.

> My first question is with the brakes. What generally causes a spongy
pedal?
> When I come to a stop at a light, I can feel the pedal travelling on down
> almost to the floor, just to keep the truck still. I've had the pads
> checked and they all have much wear left. There is plenty of fluid in the
> master cylinder, and it doesn't seem to be leaking.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:53:09 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Air-Fuel monitors

i run with a K&N airfilter and i like it alot increases performance and gas
mileage good filter
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:54:13 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

looking for ideas for increasing horsepower....i already have headers and
exhaust system....and jet chip.....and racing pullies..need some more ideas
or comments for 1994 f150 302
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:48:25 -0400
From: Ray Lillibridge
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Air filter

Over the course of this past weekend, the snow had finally melted and a
couple trails opened up. Of course, I went wheelin'. Everythin was fine
and dandy, made it through a bunch of nice holes too. Then the truck
started to lose rpm's like no other. After a quick inspection. I found
that the air filter was pretty much completely soaked(almost able to wring
it out). My question is: how can I remedy this situation in the future,
other than keeping an extra air filter and breather with me. I have a '94
F-250 with a 351...please help..I lost almost 1/2 hour waiting for it to
dry...thanks!



Ray - The DaZeD One
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:01:10 -0400
From: "Jim Gervais"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - vacuum system for 82 Clubwagon XL

I'm hoping someone out there can help me. I purchased an 82 Clubwagon XL
about two years ago. I striped it down, rebuilt the body, painted, new
brakes, the whole nine yards. It is not running right when cold or idleing.
The previous owner was using it as a farm vehicle and had torn out all the
emissions systems, including most of the vacuum lines. I have searched all
over for information on the vacuum system for my vehicle but with no luck. I
can find all kinds of information on American built motors but virtually
nothing for Canadian. I have all the popular books/CD's but they are all
U.S. based. Nothing in them seems remotely familiar. I need a diagram or
something to straighten out the hoses and put back the cold and slow idle
controls. I've changed all the vacuum hoses with new hose, so leaks are not
the problem.
It has a 302 engine.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:47:39 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?

Hey all,

I went and did it. I made a web page. Take a look and let me know how I
can make it better. Have something to add? Let me know.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker

later
mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com

1985 F-150 4x4



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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:16:53 -0500
From: Buck Shoff
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea

Matthew Banevich wrote:
>
> These people are missing the point, it is to show how outraged we are
> with the current fuel products!!!!
>
> Catch a clue

Personally, I am more outraged at fuel taxes than the fuel prices. Here
in Kansas, fuel tax is 36.4 cents a gallon. When I fill the F150, it is
not unusual to pay 6 or 8 bucks tax. Multiply that by all of the F150s
in Kansas, and it looks to me that our roads should be paved with gold.
If this is not enough, our Senate wants to up it another nickel. Just
my 36.4 cents worth, and what better day to complain about taxes than
today, April 15. Buck Shoff
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:11:54 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Spongy Brake Pedal

If you've got a computer module that controls the anti-lock brakes, that
could be the problem. The same thing happened on my '90 GMC Safari with
ABS. The module cost me over $500 bucks to replace with a unit from the
junkyard!! Same symptoms though and we went through the same steps, checked
the vacuum, tried a new master cylinder, and then finally tried the ABS. It
worked.

Steve


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Neff, Charles
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:39 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Spongy Brake Pedal


> I have a 87 F-150 SC with 167,000 miles on it that has the same problem. I
> too first
> suspected the master cylinder and replaced it only to have the same
problem.
> I am not so bad at bleeding brake lines so as to leave enough air in the
> system
> to sink the pedal to the floor... maybe a spongy pedal at worst.
>
> Could this be a problem associated with the antilock control valve and
> however
> it works to control the pressure to the rear wheels?
>
> If you find a solution, please let me know. Believe me, the problem will
> not go away
> by itself. Somehow I think the excessive pedal travel (day after day)
may
> have caused
> the Brake booster to fail... and its replacement did not solve the
problem
> either.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -
> > I have a couple of questions regarding my 81 F100 Custom. My truck is
in
> > good shape with 60,000 miles on it, I've only owned it a year so I don't
> > know the maintenance history.
>
> > My first question is with the brakes. What generally causes a spongy
> pedal?
> > When I come to a stop at a light, I can feel the pedal travelling on
down
> > almost to the floor, just to keep the truck still. I've had the pads
> > checked and they all have much wear left. There is plenty of fluid in
the
> > master cylinder, and it doesn't seem to be leaking.
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:15:57 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

Windage tray, crank scraper, electric fans, electric water pump, flow
through cat and muffler,
new intake, higher cfm carb, bigger heads, cam, lifters, timing gears
(instead of chain)

Steve

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams


> looking for ideas for increasing horsepower....i already have headers and
> exhaust system....and jet chip.....and racing pullies..need some more
ideas
> or comments for 1994 f150 302
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:27:52 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?

Visited your page and enjoyed it! Answered some good questions that I can
use on my truck!!

Steve

- ----- Original Message -----
From: PmctBaker
To: FORD F-150 LIST
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 8:47 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I made a page....wanna see?


> Hey all,
>
> I went and did it. I made a web page. Take a look and let me know how I
> can make it better. Have something to add? Let me know.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker
>
> later
> mike baker
> pmbaker your-net.com
>
> 1985 F-150 4x4
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:12:56 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plugs

Until I saw Bosch offered them, I thought multiple electrode plugs
(Splitfires) were just a fad (a marketing gimmick). I trust Bosch to sell
good stuff. I have had great luck with traditional Bosch platinum plugs.
They last forever. Never tried the multiple electrode ones, though.

At 23:18 14/04/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Anybody have any luck trying multiple-electrode spark plugs? I kept track of
>mileage for 3K miles each with Autolite and Splitfires, and got a 9% mpg
>improvement in my 82 F100 300/6. After a top-end rebuild (ALL the gaskets
>went south after 110K miles), I'm back with Autolite. Seems a couple of
>people had Splits separate and dump the whole nose of the plug into the
>chamber--really messes things up.
>
>Now Bosch has come out with a four electrode plug, and there are some other
>U-groove and V-groove plugs. Is it all merchandising, or is there something
>to the 'bigger spark' claim? I really don't want spark plug fragments
>bouncing around my nice new valves.
>
>Bill Berninghausen
>
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:28:18 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring diagrams

thanks man i sure do appreciate it

luke
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:30:44 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor

I'm looking for an idling problem cure. I stop at one red light and my '85
302 idles fine. Stop at the next one and the idle goes up and down until it
gets so low it dies. Doesn't matter if a/c is on or not. Starts right up
with no problem.

Wanted to know if a bad throttle position sensor would completely go out or
could it possibly act like I described? It's got 192,000 miles on it and it
is still the original.

If it is, I know I need a gasket for the throttle body when I remove it, but
can I leave all the linkeages connected and move it enough to get to the
sensor screw? Anything else need attention while I'm in that area?

Thanks

Scott Harris
1985 F150 S/C 302FE
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:13:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: shy anne
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea and gas mileage

for what it's worth, it is not just an email scam. the local news and
radio stations have been reporting about it also.
I have a question. My truck has been using a lot more gas then normal.
I haven't checked the gas mileage yet, but the needle is dropping a lot
faster then it normally does. any ideas on what would cause it to do
this? Thanks, Shy

- --- "Giddens, Scott" wrote:
> Here's some clues:
>
> 1. They know we are outraged.
>
> 2. They don't care.
>
> 3. You are still giving them your money.
>
> 4. They won't listen until they are impacted money
> wise.
>
> 5. This is an E-mail scam and you fell for it.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Banevich [mailto:batman mc.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 9:08 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
> >
> >
> > These people are missing the point, it is to show
> how outraged we are
> > with the current fuel products!!!!
> >
> > Catch a clue
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Resch wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: 2insane excite.com
> > > >Subject: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
> > > >
> > > >THE GREAT "GAS OUT"
> > >
> > > Yo Insane One:
> > >
> > > Do you believe in market economics? What would
> this do to
> > prices on the
> > > preceding Thursday and following Saturday? If
> you assume
> > that prices react
> > > instantly to the change in supply and demand
> (which they
> > don't), then prices
> > > would increase on Thursday and Saturday exactly
> by the
> > amount they dropped on
> > > Friday (which they won't), since everyone who
> would have
> > bought gas on Friday
> > > will simply re-schedule that purchase to
> Thursday or Saturday.
> > >
> > > If you really want to have an impact, just quit
> driving
> > your truck and using
> > > petroleum products altogether. Now, if we could
> get a few
> > hundred million
> > > people to go along with that, there'd be more
> gas (and
> > cheaper) for the rest of
> > > us!
> > >
> > > Dave R. (M-block devotee)
> > >
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:40:15 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FUEL GAUGE NOT ACCURATE

The fuel gauge needle is probably dropping faster because that brass float
that snaps in at the end of the fuel level arm is filling up with fuel and
giving you a false reading.
the solder seam on those floats open up after many years, and lose thier....


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