80-96-list-digest Tuesday, April 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 103



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In this issue:

: Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea
RE: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Good Idea
Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
FTE 80-96 - 4.9L 300 Inline 6 Fuel Rich problem
Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electrical Connections Near Battery
FTE 80-96 - wheel hop?

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:27:53 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

Wayne,

I did replace the shocks with a good set from Gabriel, guess I'll go with
new springs. right now I've got to get my 67 triumph motorcycle out of it's
winter storage, and ready for the summer. which gives me alot of freedom
to do the springs at my leisure.

On a related note:
I drive the same freeway/expressway every day, and this is when the wheel
hop is most noticeable. Well yesterday I went to the lake on a different
route, and no wheel hop at all. I'm thinking the road is shot! and my
springs are just "tired". (I'll get new ones anyway)

whatta think Wayne?
road condition as well?

later
mike baker

In a message dated 4/11/99 7:06:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Pmbaker your-net.com writes:


the belief, that the coil springs are shot, and till I get new ones this was
the best I could do.

need more info if ya got some

Mike baker
1985 F-150 4x4 351 4bbl
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Mike,
Well go with the instincts. I would say if it is hopping at the
front..change
both the springs and the shocks. If the springs are wore then the shocks
have
been bearing most of the load and the valving is probably wore out. Better
safe than sorry, both can cause some serious navigation problems.
Later,
Wayne Foy

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:51:42 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

The sign on the gas pump says the gas is oxygenated from November to Febuary
but I would not be surprised if they get lazy and do it all year. I also
thought it was only in the Denver metro area but I would not be again
surprised if they increased the coverage area to include all of Colorado. I
tried once to drive a little out of the area to get un-oxygenated fuel but
had no luck. I can tell the drop in performance when they use it. I think a
cat-back exhaust system would do more than sound good. I can tell a little
performance increase with mine as well as a lower running temperature.

Scott

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Philipp [mailto:chrisp webaccess.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 1:35 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle


Jim,
My mechanic told me all gas(here in Colorado), is oxygenated, and
basically sucks! I had inquired about upgrading my exhaust, and was
told with all of the emssions, it is dificult to gain anything more than
a "cool sound".
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:05:27 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea

It sounds nice but it won't make a hill of beans difference unless people
don't drive that day at all.

I only fill up every two weeks with my dual tanks and 3 mile drive to work.
People will still be driving and buying the gas the day before. If you want
to make them feel it stop buying pop and snacks in the station. I think they
make more money from that than they do the gas anyway.

Scott

- -----Original Message-----
From: 2insane excite.com [mailto:2insane excite.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 3:09 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Good Idea


Was a forward, shortened it. sorry for the wasted bandwidth but it'd be cool
if it worked.
GAS OUT
THE GREAT "GAS OUT"
It's time we did something about the price
of gasoline in America! We are all sick and
tired of high prices when there are literally
millions of gallons in storage.
Know what I found out? If there was just
ONE day when no one purchased any
gasoline, prices would drop drastically.
The so-called oil cartel has decided to
slow production by some 2 million barrels
per day to drive up the price. I have decided
to see how many Americans we can get
to NOT BUY ANY GASOLINE on one
particular day!
Let's have a GAS OUT! Do not buy any
gasoline on APRIL 30, 1999!!!!!
Buy on Thursday before, or Saturday after.
Do not buy any gasoline on FRIDAY,
APRIL 30, 1999.
Wanna help? Send this message to
everyone you know. Ask them to do the same.
All we need is a few million to participate in
order to make a difference.
Let me know how many you will send out.
We CAN make a difference.
> Thanks.




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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:37:26 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

Mike,

I'm not Wayne (which is probably a huge relief to him), but I've been
following this thread. I'm wondering if what you have is an unballanced
tire. Maybe you threw a ballance weight or something. Surely a wheel out
of ballance with cause the wheel to "hop", but that is not what is usually
meant by "wheel hop".

What Wayne has a problem with is getting all that horsepower he has down to
the ground to launch his truck. Unfortunately, when the tire bites, it
causes the suspension components to "wind up", and then once the tire breaks
free, the stored energy in the suspension components unload, sometimes
causing the wheel to "hop". Once the vehicle is moving, and wheelspin
stops, "wheel hop" no longer occurs. So if you have a wheel bouncing up and
down at highway speeds, you probably have a different problem. Try rotating
you tires and see if the condition follows the tire location.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

> -----Original Message-----
> From: PmctBaker [mailto:Pmbaker your-net.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 8:28 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
>
> On a related note:
> I drive the same freeway/expressway every day, and this is
> when the wheel hop is most noticeable. Well yesterday I went to the lake
on
> a different route, and no wheel hop at all. I'm thinking the road is
> shot! and my springs are just "tired". (I'll get new ones anyway)
>
> whatta think Wayne?
> road condition as well?
>
> later
> mike baker
>
> In a message dated 4/11/99 7:06:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Pmbaker your-net.com writes:
>
>
> the belief, that the coil springs are shot, and till I get
> new ones this was
> the best I could do.
>
> need more info if ya got some
>
> Mike baker
> 1985 F-150 4x4 351 4bbl
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:10:18 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Good Idea

A better idea would be to write or email your elected Representatives
and/or newspapers and express your opinion concerning gas taxes. You
might mention that you don't mind paying for the right to use public
roads, but that gasoline should be taxed as a user fee (like buying
postage stamps) rather than a sin tax (like the taxes on tobacco and
booze). This means that all revenue collected from motor fuel taxes
should go directly to pay for road building and maintenance. It should
not be dumped into the General Fund to be budgeted according to political
expediency, and it should remain in your home State, not sent to
Washington DC to be seized by States with powerful Congresspeople.
Just my Libertarian two cents (about 1.3 cents after taxes...)
lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Alquist
Subject: Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

...my pop about hop:

...totally solved the same wheel hop as you described at the same
velocities as you described with a new set of 'smaller tread-block' (but
aggressive all-season's nonetheless) tires. My mud exposure didn't
justify my Mud-T______n's; local 'respected' tire shop claims their
notorious for hop'in along at highway speeds.

Good luck, AA

On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, PmctBaker wrote:

On a related note:
I drive the same freeway/expressway every day, and this is when the wheel
hop is most noticeable. Well yesterday I went to the lake on a different
route, and no wheel hop at all. I'm thinking the road is shot! and my
springs are just "tired". (I'll get new ones anyway)

whatta think Wayne?
road condition as well?

later
mike baker



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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:34:42 -0400
From: "Greg Saunders"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4.9L 300 Inline 6 Fuel Rich problem

Hello Folks,

I have a 93' Ford F150 4.9L Inline 6 and I am getting an engine light about
20% of the time I go out driving. The code associated with this light is
179. I think it means Adaptive fuel memory. Anyway, I never notice a problem
in driving other than the slightest of hesitation whan I slowly press on the
gas pedal from idle. I have had one service center do a complete tune up,
timing, replace Oxygen sensor, replace Throttle position sensor, fuel
filter, plugs, plug wires, air filter, pvc, and any other general tune up
stuff.

The tech said that he would run the Key on engine running quick test and get
a code 4 out of 5 times. I believe he said the code was 172 or 173. The code
was fuel rich. The way he explained it was I was getting a fuel rich problem
and then while drive the computer tries to correct and can't so end gives
the engine light with a code 179. The service tech finally gave up and said
he didn't know what was causing it without replacing expensive parts at my
expense whether it repairs it or not. He suggested that I take it to a Ford
dealer which is what did. Ford now has it and the technician had the
gumption to say this. "I saw the code in the computer and cleared it. I took
it for a drive and it drove fine. As far as I can tell nothing is wrong"

I was shocked at what I was hearing!!! I will be having a chat with the Ford
Shop/Service Manager to say the least. After practically arguing with the
technician he said he would next do a fuel pressure test (which the other
tech tested and couldn't get a failure). I realize the other tech could have
missed something so I told him to go ahead.

Does anyone have a clue what could be causing this.


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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:41:44 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: : Re: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

In a message dated 4/12/99 6:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
flag u.washington.edu writes:


road condition as well?
>>
Yeah, that is possible too. Just the point of advice, we can only make
suggestions by the info given. Although, I don't know where you live, there
are crappy roads everywhere.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:25:30 +0000
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electrical Connections Near Battery

List,

Thanks for the great replies! Not only did I get my questioned answered
(power lead from starter relay) but I got suggested routing and a possible
noise source to be aware of. I love this list!

I picked up all the wire I need to install the components, and will be giving
it a go the next "not-wet" day I get. I'll let y'all know how it goes.

Question: Can I ground to the cab bolts (The huge ones on the floor, at the
back of my standard cab) or should I go somewhere else for a good ground for
my amp? It's real tempting to go there, as it's a foot away from the amp
mounting spot.

Thanks again!

- - Erston ('90 F-150 XLT-L)



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:22:04 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 80-96 - wheel hop?

If my memory serves me, I believe a few other listmembers' problems of
wobble and hop was solved by changing front tires.
If your tires are old and have been put to "good use" their innards may
be shot, resulting in all sorts of peculiar stuff when hitting a bump.
Try swapping your rear and front tires and see if that solves your
problem...

(PS: I'm considering a 2WD -79 Ramcharger fullcab as a summer fun truck;
is that wrong? Broncos are darned hard to get in Norway, especially if
you want one that is not too screwed up - 2 Broncos advertised
nationwide today. At least it is not a Chevy!).

Later,
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Bjornar Huse
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bryggen.bgnett.no/~bjornar....


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