80-96-list-digest Saturday, April 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 100



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - a question about peeling paint
RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
FTE 80-96 - Hard starting
RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
FTE 80-96 - Warn hub coming loose
FTE 80-96 - There are still a few good people out there :)
Re: FTE 80-96 - There are still a few good people out there :)
FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Oil Pump Pressure
FTE 80-96 - Power Steering Pressure Switch Help
RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
FTE 80-96 - Where's the POWER?
Re: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:07:49 -0400
From: Steve Means
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - a question about peeling paint

I currently own an '87 Bronco which I had bought used. A local Ford dealer
in Pennsylvania, where I was living at the time, re-painted, without
charge, the portions which were peeling in the winter of 1993. Good luck
in your attempts!
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>
>Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:17:05 EDT
>From: ROlson1039 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - a question about peeling paint
>
>Ok all you guys who are on this list who talked about getting their local
>Ford dealers to repaint areas or the truck in its entirety because the paint
>faded or peeled or spiderwebbed.. did you all buy the trucks new? Mine was
>purchased used ( ok very used) and the p[aint is doing the same thing. I was
>told by the service manager that being as i bought the truck used i wouldnt
>be able to get Ford to paint the truck, nor would they paint any vehicle (
>even in part) that was over five years old.. i get the feeling they just
>dont want to do this but i figure if i go back ( or to another dealer) with
>the stories of you all i might push the issue enough to get mine done
>Thanks
>Bob
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Steve Means
Naval Research Laboratory
4555 Overlook Avenue SW
Code 7121
Washington, DC 20375
Email: means wave.nrl.navy.mil
Voice: 202-404-4653
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:01:16 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?

Hey Dave, The question about getting more power out of the 4.9L seems to
come up a lot on here. I replaced my original cast iron manifold on my 86
with a Headman Header because it cracked. The header has two collectors so I
have 2 cats, mufflers & talpipes. I also have an Offenhauser Manifold and a
Holley 390cfm 4bbl carb on the truck. It does not have a hole for the O2
sensor so it is just dangling under the hood along with a couple other plugs
that went to the old carb. The truck runs great and has tons of power. I did
this almost 3 years & about 50,000 miles ago (now has 203,000 miles on it)
and the truck is still going strong with no ill effects from the sensors
being unplugged or from any other of the changes. I get on average 15 or 16
miles to the gallon. The last 4 tank fulls have been in the mid 16's (mostly
freeway miles). I think you can get headers with the O2 sensor hole in it or
have someone put one in. The only thing I don't like about my Headman Header
is the fact that you can't remove the starter without removing the header.
If you or anyone else have any other questions about doing something like
this to a 4.9L just ask. I have learned an incredible amount by doing this
to my truck. You can see my truck on the FTE pictorial page.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/pictorial/big/1986_f150_4.html

Mike

> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:31:58 -0400
> From: Dave
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
>
> >I have an 86 F150 with the 300 I6 and have true duel with 2
> 1/4" pipes and
> >dynomax mufflers. It sounds and runs great.
> >Mike
> >
> Mike :
>
> What exhaust manifold did you use ? Dose it have the 02
> sensor still hooked
> up ? I have thougt about using a exhaust manifold from a FI
> 4.9 since it
> looks like a header and has the hole for an O2. The manifold
> on my 86 ,
> 4.9L is the old cast iron style.
>
> Dave
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:30:44 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting

Daniel writes: >> Does any of this behaviour seem related to onboard
sensor/modules misconfiguring / adjusting ignition performance.

Carburator problems IMHO.

Get a rebuild kit and some carb cleaner and give it a thourough cleaning and
rebuild.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:06:05 CDT
From: "GREG PATTON"
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?

I heard that headman makes headers for my straight 6, 300 cid, and was
wandering how I could get a hold of hedman to ask about ordering a
pair or seeing a picture of them. I have a 89 F-150 with the fuel
injected 6 cylinder and want to improve the engine so I can run with
the V-8's.

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:00:03 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Warn hub coming loose

My son had warn manual hubs put on his 95 F-150 last fall. They replaced a
set of worn out Super Winch hubs that were on the truck when I bought it.
One of the hubs is coming loose. The hub can be wiggled around with your
hand and grease came squirting out when the looseness started. The outer
cover screws are tight. I've never been into one of these hubs and am
curious what may have loosened or broken. What style hub wrench is needed?

Thanks for any help

Larry
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - There are still a few good people out there :)

I have been having problems with that dang EEC III again. I can't
afford to have it worked on. (Even if I could, no one, not even the
Ford Dealer, will warrant work on the EEC III, it is *YOUR* problem
when you pull out the service yard). The good news, I Mikes Chevron.
This guy not only listened to my problem, told me everything he know
about the EEC III system, printed out about 25 pages of the computer
diagnostics prog they use, and *this is the kicker* gave me *for free*
a used Duraspark Ignition Kicker for my truck. Which for the time
being, the truck idles, (havn't got a new booster yet though and starts
when I turn the key. Bad news is this is the third kicker I have put
in...

I also went to the I/M station to find out what qualifies as smog legal
(at least in the NORTHSTAR borough) The ONLY thing on my truck that I
can change is the carb, and the ONLY carb I can put on it is the Holley
model 2300 2 barrel (replaces the crummy Moto 7200 VV). So, even
though I would be more than happy to put on a new manifold and carb and
let the engine run a little better and possibly cleaner, but they won't
allow it.... Its a two way street and they arn't budging so I not
going to bother and register here.

Sorry for the long post, but I was pretty impresses with the guy at the
chevron station, and very mad at the regs that go along with
emissions....

Casey Vandor

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/CaseyV/
83 F-250 $ (yes them are dollar signs...)
75 W-200
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:53:27 -0400
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - There are still a few good people out there :)

Casey, where are you located? I am in Long Island, NY and we just started
using I/M testing but anything older than 1984 still uses the old idle test.
And anything older than 25 years is exempt from emissions testing
altogether.

Christopher T. Maher
- -----Original Message-----
From: Casey Vandor
To: Ford Truck List
Date: April 9, 1999 5:55 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - There are still a few good people out there :)


>I have been having problems with that dang EEC III again. I can't
>afford to have it worked on. (Even if I could, no one, not even the
>Ford Dealer, will warrant work on the EEC III, it is *YOUR* problem
>when you pull out the service yard). The good news, I Mikes Chevron.
>This guy not only listened to my problem, told me everything he know
>about the EEC III system, printed out about 25 pages of the computer
>diagnostics prog they use, and *this is the kicker* gave me *for free*
>a used Duraspark Ignition Kicker for my truck. Which for the time
>being, the truck idles, (havn't got a new booster yet though and starts
>when I turn the key. Bad news is this is the third kicker I have put
>in...
>
>I also went to the I/M station to find out what qualifies as smog legal
>(at least in the NORTHSTAR borough) The ONLY thing on my truck that I
>can change is the carb, and the ONLY carb I can put on it is the Holley
>model 2300 2 barrel (replaces the crummy Moto 7200 VV). So, even
>though I would be more than happy to put on a new manifold and carb and
>let the engine run a little better and possibly cleaner, but they won't
>allow it.... Its a two way street and they arn't budging so I not
>going to bother and register here.
>
>Sorry for the long post, but I was pretty impresses with the guy at the
>chevron station, and very mad at the regs that go along with
>emissions....
>
>Casey Vandor
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/CaseyV/
>83 F-250 $ (yes them are dollar signs...)
>75 W-200
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
> >
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:16:14 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - what is wheel hop?

hey all,

what is wheel hop? and what causes it. I put coil spring adjusters on to
lift the front end 1 1/2 inches. if i didnt, the truck looked like it was
always going downhill. started out i was replacing the worn shocks with
gabriels (the best ride ive ever had!). i noticed a slight hop before, but
now its more pronounced, and the tire is showing wear on the inside tread
(toe in?). the ball joints are worn, but not THAT bad. ill take it in for
an alignment, but before i do, what do you guys say my problem might be?

later
mike baker

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:27:43 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Oil Pump Pressure

The specs are:

300 cid I-6 40-60 psi hot 2,000 RPM
302 cid V-8 40-60 psi hot 2,000 RPM
351W cid V-8 40-65 psi hot 2,000 RPM
351M cid V-8 50-75 psi hot 2,000 RPM
400 cid V-8 50-75 psi hot 2,000 RPM
460 cid V-8 40-65 psi hot 2,000 RPM

I was wrong about the RPM. (That's what I get for answering from memory
instead of going and looking it up.) My shop manual says nothing about at
idle, but I think you need at least 5 psi. That is usually the point at
which an idiot light goes out. It's not much.

At 23:51 08/04/99 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Jim Cannon wrote:
>> You are hearing bearings knock. The engine will not last long with that.
>> Best to have a true mechanical pressure guage attached when engine is hot
>> and read real psi at idle and at 3000 rpm. If not up to spec, you have
>
>So, what's the spec???
>
>--
>Ken Woods
>kwoods kens.com

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:55:16 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Steering Pressure Switch Help

Forwarded for: Roger Lane

Okay, here's my situation. I have a '89 F250, 5.0L, 5 speed. While
checking the oil yesterday morning, I found a loose wire connection. The
Haynes manual says it is for the Power Steering Pressure Switch, but it
doesn't tell me where it is suppose to connect to. If someone out there has
any experience with this, please e-mail me (offline, I s*bscribe to the
digest).

Thanks In Advance

Roger Lane
Test/Support Analyst
IBP, Inc.
Roger.Lane ibpinc.com


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:22:31 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?

Have you tried to find if Hedman had a webpage?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:GREG PATTON [SMTP:budman802 hotmail.com]
> Sent:Friday, April 09, 1999 12:06 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
>
>
> I heard that headman makes headers for my straight 6, 300 cid, and was
> wandering how I could get a hold of hedman to ask about ordering a
> pair or seeing a picture of them. I have a 89 F-150 with the fuel
> injected 6 cylinder and want to improve the engine so I can run with
> the V-8's.
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:01:26 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Where's the POWER?

I have an 84 F-150 with the 5.8 liter V-8. My dad bought it used. I thought
the 5.8 was more powerful than this! It has a 2 barrel carb and high gears,
not sure what the gears are exactly. Are there any tricks or secrets that
will make my truck faster It runs great! Just really slow. The worst part
is my friend that has a '69 Ch*vy with a 6.2 liter diesel beats when we drag.
Please help me! My testosterone is suffering.

David
Utah
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:11:16 -0700
From: Lesli Phillips
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?

greg

if you call JC Whitney at 312-431-6102 and tell them there is a set of headers
in catalog #604-1d from October 31, 1997 page #195 that has a set of headers
for a ford 300-6cylinder or you can call Summit racing equiptment at
800-230-3030
good luck!!

Harris, Scott wrote:

> Have you tried to find if Hedman had a webpage?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GREG PATTON [SMTP:budman802 hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 12:06 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Duel on 4.9 ?
> >
> >
> > I heard that headman makes headers for my straight 6, 300 cid, and was
> > wandering how I could get a hold of hedman to ask about ordering a
> > pair or seeing a picture of them. I have a 89 F-150 with the fuel
> > injected 6 cylinder and want to improve the engine so I can run with
> > the V-8's.
> >
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