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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ford F-150
FTE 80-96 - RE:
FTE 80-96 - RE: PSD Mileage
FTE 80-96 - 1st Year EFI 4.9L Reply
FTE 80-96 - Breaking in a Diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - rear disc conversion for 9" diff in F-100
FTE 80-96 - Clutch Hydraulics & Cold Weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Hydraulics & Cold Weather
Re: FTE 80-96 - What's first year for EFI on 4.9 engine?
FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4
FTE 80-96 - 85 F250 diesel, cranking but not starting
Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 F250 diesel, cranking but not starting
FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited
FTE 80-96 - Hub squeak
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4
Re: FTE 80-96 - What's first year for EFI on 4.9 engine?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited
Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited
Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4
Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:18:10 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 94 Ford F-150

SpyderLv81 writes: I need to know how much hp and torque the 302 in this model
year puts out. I
need to know how much potential hp and torque it has also.
Well, directly from Ford Factory Machining and Tool Division the figures are
as follows
Peak HP 5500 rpm =185 hp
Peak Torque 3200 rpm = 245 ft/lbs
I know that the venerable 5.0 has so many different options for power build
up, that its not even funny. I personally have added many bolt on and other
performance parts to see huge gains. My last add ons were GT40 iron heads and
an E303 bumpstick, and Flowtech (coated) headers. My previous additions were a
Superchip, MAC Underdrive pulleys, stock replacement KnN filter (soon to be
replaced by FIPK unit) a high flow BBK y-pipe, cat back exhaust, shift kit,
and advanced timing. I have also done small tweaks and adjustments to bring it
to the power it has now. I have yet to put it on the dyno but I have been told
by my friend at Ford that hew ran my combo through his handy dandy Horse Power
program and I should be putting out in the area of 330-350 HP at around
4500/4800 RPM. Not too shabby an increase for just under $2k. I have yet to
run it with the new chip program but I can tell you that on motor alone with
the new add ons I ran a new best of 10.42 in the 1/8 mile with a 6050 LB
Flareside Supercab. That's down from a stock first run of 12.57. Hmmmm 2.1
seconds...that works out to just around a grand a sec....not too bad at all.
Just make sure that that truck you are looking at has the mass air setup like
the Mustangs or your first task will be shelling out around a grand just to
get it ready to build up, on the conversion kit. If you do get one without
massair, make sure it has either the AOD or the E40D transmission as they
actually make a direct conversion kit available through SVO. If you want more
info on parts and prices that I have used Email me off list and I'll give you
all I have so that you can get bitten by the power bug as I have.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:20:07 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Smeins, Larry
> Sent:Wednesday, December 30, 1998 8:30 AM
> To:'80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:RE: 80-96-list-digest V2 #431
>
> The cold weather could be a factor as could winter fuel if you are in an
> area that has such. If in your driving around town at these temps never
> gets the oil temp near normal the exhaust restrictor may never fully open.
> If you aren't familiar with the restrictor it is a device that Navistar
> uses to warm up the engine "rapidly". It senses ambient air temp, oil
> temp and other parameters to control the amount of restriction. When it
> is restricting power will be down and fuel consumption up.
>
> On the other hand you may have a problem that doesn't show up on the
> computer diagnostics. I have a 95 that got 16 mpg with a big camper and
> had more power than I needed (is that possible). It now gets 12 mpg and
> I'd be embarrased to compete with a D**ge. It is not temperature
> dependent. The dealers cannot identify what is wrong but I'm convinced it
> is computer program related.
>
> Wait until the weather warms up and see if your problem persists. If it
> does keep pressing. There are items that can produce what you are seeing.
> Two are the MAP sensor and the baro (or air flow) sensor.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> [SMTP:owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, December 30, 1998 4:10 AM
> To:80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject:80-96-list-digest V2 #431
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:30:39 -0800
> From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - PowerStroke Fuel Efficiency?
>
> Hi.
>
> I've got a '97 F350 4x4 CC w/ PS and 4.10 gears, and am wondering what
> sort
> of milage others with similar beasts are getting.
> For the most part, we just drive around town, and don't tow much - not
> enough to affect milage. The truck is usually somewhat empty; I believe
> that the dry empty weight is right around 6,000#, so my guess is wet and
> with normal load it's still under 7,000#. I run normal fuel (Texaco or
> Shell diesel), don't idle for hours on end, etc - but lately we've gotten
> a
> paltry 12MPG! Yuck. Up until a couple of months ago, we got a regular 16
> to 17MPG (uncorrected for the 33" tires, which are not that much bigger
> than
> the stock). My driving style has not changed much - I still floor it a
> lot.
> 30+K miles in case that matters. I've heard that the PS "gets better"
> with
> age up to about 30k, but mine hasn't changed much.
>
> I just had it into the local dealer, and he claims that others are getting
> about the same "because of the cold" (this is when it was about 15-20F
> high,
> not really outstanding) which I'm having a bit of trouble believing. They
> ran their tests and found nothing being reported as malfunctioning, but
> then
> again, something could be busted and just not saying that it's busted and
> not come up on the tests... it also seems a bit gutless...
>
> Anyone getting a lot better? I realize that the 4.10 are getting less
> milage than 3.73 gears, but 12 unloaded! I got 12 with a big camper _and_
> pulling a cargo trailer up and down mountain passes last year!
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:25:49 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: PSD Mileage

I apologize for the double post. Finger slipped when entering the
subject on the last one.


> The cold weather could be a factor as could winter fuel if you are in an
> area that has such. If in your driving around town at these temps never
> gets the oil temp near normal the exhaust restrictor may never fully open.
> If you aren't familiar with the restrictor it is a device that Navistar
> uses to warm up the engine "rapidly". It senses ambient air temp, oil
> temp and other parameters to control the amount of restriction. When it
> is restricting power will be down and fuel consumption up.
>
> On the other hand you may have a problem that doesn't show up on the
> computer diagnostics. I have a 95 that got 16 mpg with a big camper and
> had more power than I needed (is that possible). It now gets 12 mpg and
> I'd be embarrased to compete with a D**ge. It is not temperature
> dependent. The dealers cannot identify what is wrong but I'm convinced it
> is computer program related.
>
> Wait until the weather warms up and see if your problem persists. If it
> does, keep pressing. There are items that can produce what you are
> seeing. Two are the MAP sensor and the baro (or air flow) sensor.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> [SMTP:owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, December 30, 1998 4:10 AM
> To:80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject:80-96-list-digest V2 #431
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:30:39 -0800
> From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - PowerStroke Fuel Efficiency?
>
> Hi.
>
> I've got a '97 F350 4x4 CC w/ PS and 4.10 gears, and am wondering
> what sort
> of milage others with similar beasts are getting.
> For the most part, we just drive around town, and don't tow much -
> not
> enough to affect milage. The truck is usually somewhat empty; I
> believe
> that the dry empty weight is right around 6,000#, so my guess is wet
> and
> with normal load it's still under 7,000#. I run normal fuel (Texaco
> or
> Shell diesel), don't idle for hours on end, etc - but lately we've
> gotten a
> paltry 12MPG! Yuck. Up until a couple of months ago, we got a
> regular 16
> to 17MPG (uncorrected for the 33" tires, which are not that much
> bigger than
> the stock). My driving style has not changed much - I still floor
> it a lot.
> 30+K miles in case that matters. I've heard that the PS "gets
> better" with
> age up to about 30k, but mine hasn't changed much.
>
> I just had it into the local dealer, and he claims that others are
> getting
> about the same "because of the cold" (this is when it was about
> 15-20F high,
> not really outstanding) which I'm having a bit of trouble believing.
> They
> ran their tests and found nothing being reported as malfunctioning,
> but then
> again, something could be busted and just not saying that it's
> busted and
> not come up on the tests... it also seems a bit gutless...
>
> Anyone getting a lot better? I realize that the 4.10 are getting
> less
> milage than 3.73 gears, but 12 unloaded! I got 12 with a big camper
> _and_
> pulling a cargo trailer up and down mountain passes last year!
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:55:25 -0700
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1st Year EFI 4.9L Reply

Jim wrote:

Subject: FTE 80-96 - What's first year for EFI on 4.9 engine?

Can anyone tell me what the first year was for EFI on the 4.9 liter
straight-6 engine?

The first year that the 4.9L became EFI was in 1985, but NOT all them, Ford
dealerships still had to deplete some inventory...So the majority of these
'85 F-150's model year trucks were EFI.
If you are considering an '88, it will definetly be a Fuel Injected (
assuming it's an F-150 ), and it will have the TFI ignition module on the
distributor which was not the best idea Ford came out with. Not a big deal
to replace so if it still has the original module, keep that in mind if a
bizarre no start conditions ever crops up.
A good friend of ours is a horse trainer and used to have an '87 with a
manual tanny (5-speed). He used to haul a 4-horse trailer (only had 2 to 3
horses, but tons of horsey show gear) all over Texas, New Mexico, and
Oklahoma. Never broke any land speed records but always got there. The
question is what transmission did he have? I can not tell you because I
can't remember, even though I did a clutch job for him, shame on me. I have
slept a couple of times since, sorry short term memory is getting shorter
and shorter.
Good luck and happy hunting.

Fred Moreno
Autotronic Controls Corp. Alternative Fuels Div
El Paso TX. (employed), La Union NM (resident)
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:32:28 -0600
From: "Keith Kinerk"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Breaking in a Diesel

I have been an avid reader of this post for the last year and have learned
quite a lot! My wife's car is finally paid off, and now I am looking at
buying a new F350 Diesel Crew cab. I have plans for some heavy hauling in
the spring of '99. My question is, is there a "break-in" period for a new
diesel engine before you can start putting it to work? If so, how many
miles would it be?

Thanks!

Keith


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:16:13 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - rear disc conversion for 9" diff in F-100

Your best (and probably easiest) bet would be to purchase a Ford SVO rear
disc conversion. It will bolt right up to your 9" rear axle with a minimum
of fuss. I have heard about using Lincoln rear discs in the past, but as I
recall there would have been problems with the bolt pattern for the wheels.
In any case there are several Ford SVO dealers down there in Australia,

Rare Spares
Campbellfield, Victoria 3061
61-03-9305-4000

Southside Ford
Woolloongabba, Queensland 4102
61-7-391-0141

Hope this helps,

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Leah
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 8:55 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - rear disc conversion for 9" diff in F-100


>I have a 1981 2WD F-100, running a 9" LSD (posi-traction I think it is
>called in the US). The vehicle is actually a retired ambulance (so it is
>like a big van), which is used for towing and servicing a pro-rally car in
>Australia.
>
>I would like to install, reasonably cheaply, rear discs and possibly a
>proportioning valve if needed, to help in the stopping department,
>especially when towing.
>
>Getting parts from the US is not too much of a drama as I have
>car-orientated relatives there. I have been told that late 70's lincoln
>town cars had a 9" rear and swapping the discs and calipers off them is
>possible with a minimum of machine work.
>
>As F-100s are not that common here, getting info is not that easy, and
>doner vehicles for swaps are thin on the ground. I would greatly
>appreciate any info people may have.
>
>cheers,
>
>Ian
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:10:40 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Hydraulics & Cold Weather

I have a 1986 F150, 2WD, 5L with a 4-spd OD. Now that the weather is
finally getting cold (below 20F), I'm having a problem engaging gears.
Everything was fine when it was warmer, but now I'm going to have to
lengthen the rod on the clutch master cylinder, and I'll be able to shift
easily again. Same thing happened during the first cold snap last year.

In August 1997 I replaced the clutch, the clutch master cylinder, and the
slave, so I'm confident the hydraulics are good. I thought that the fluid
would be thicker in the cold, so the hydraulics would work better. But the
opposite seems to be true. Does anybody else have to go through this each
winter?

Thanks!

Mark Salvetti
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:31:10 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Hydraulics & Cold Weather

I am not so good on truck transmissions, but on our tractors, the
transmission fluid gets pretty stiff when it is very cold and can cause
similar problems. It usually goes away when the fluid warms up some. Also,
we sometimes get water from condensation in the transmissions, and that can
be a real problem when the temperature goes down to the single digits.

Mike

At 02:10 PM 12/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1986 F150, 2WD, 5L with a 4-spd OD. Now that the weather is
>finally getting cold (below 20F), I'm having a problem engaging gears.
>Everything was fine when it was warmer, but now I'm going to have to
>lengthen the rod on the clutch master cylinder, and I'll be able to shift
>easily again. Same thing happened during the first cold snap last year.
>
>In August 1997 I replaced the clutch, the clutch master cylinder, and the
>slave, so I'm confident the hydraulics are good. I thought that the fluid
>would be thicker in the cold, so the hydraulics would work better. But the
>opposite seems to be true. Does anybody else have to go through this each
>winter?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mark Salvetti
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(msloane att.net)

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:37:24 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What's first year for EFI on 4.9 engine?

As far as I know Ford went to EFI on all of the trucks built after January
1985.
I have a non-EFI 351W built in December 1984. It is a "1985 model".

Mike
redden enter.net

> Can anyone tell me what the first year was for EFI on the 4.9 liter
> straight-6 engine?
> Thanks!
>
> Jim Cannon

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Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:37:23 -0500
From: Andrew Krein
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4

I'm new to this list and am in need of some information from those
with more experience with Ford Trucks than I have.

A small used car lot that mostly deals with pickups has a 1995 F150
for sale. It's a long bed, regular cab, 4x4 XL (I think it's an XL)
with a 351 v-8 and 4 speed automatic. It's a very stripped down
truck, not many frills and they're asking $9995 for it.. It has about
95k miles and looks to be in good condition. At least cosmetically.
Well kept interior and it started up quickly and idled smoothly, but I
haven't had time to take it for a test ride or crawl around it yet.
I'm looking for something to do some medium duty towing someday, the
wife would like horses. Right now it's main purpose would be for some
hauling and foul weather driving. I'd like to replace my '93 Firebird
Formula (please no non-Ford flames), which is of no use in winter
weather.

Are there any problem areas I should look out for? 95,000 miles seems
like a lot for such a young truck. How does this price sound? I'm
not looking to spend a lot of money and it seems that everything I
look at in my price range, $10-$13k, has well over 100,000 miles on
it.

After reading through some of the archives, I haven't seen much
written on 1995 F150s, but you all seem to be a very knowledgeable
group and I'd appreciate any information. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:43:47 -0800
From: "Craig Rubin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 85 F250 diesel, cranking but not starting

Hi all and Happy New Year,

My F250 gave me a New Year's eve present by not starting. It cranks over
just fine and will not run. The glow plug indicator stays on for about 8
seconds then cycles on and off for at least 2 minutes. Prior to today the
engine has idled and ran good.
With hindsight, the indicator light has stayed on a little longer lately
before it started.

The 8 glow plugs are just a couple of months old. The glow plug relay
checks out ok and the fuse links on the right inner fender are ok also.
Rain canceled out any more troubleshooting, at least for now but it rains
all the time here in the Seattle, WA area.

Should the next step be checking out the glow plug controller? and or what
next?

Thanks,

Craig Rubin
crubin foxinternet.net





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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:16:56 EST
From: Husk77 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 85 F250 diesel, cranking but not starting

Make sure the pumps (injector and fuel) are working. Mine loses the prime and
it becomes a bear to start. You should be getting some kind of tell tale
"exhaust" out of the tailpipe when your cranking. If not, look for a fuel
problem.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:42:21 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited

Guys,
I have a heater control problem that I don't think was addressed in that
previous lengthy thread. I had posted earlier that my controls were
acting up. Well, apparently that was a warning sign. Now the selector
control isn't working at all. That would be ok, if it were stuck on
defrost. But it's stuck on vent, which means the windshield and side
windows get fogged (or icy) and stay that way. The only way to see the
road is continually wipe the windshield w/a cloth and that's just not
good enough. Like I said, I don't care if I can't make any other
selection (floor, vent, etc) as long as I have my defrost I'm happy.
Can someone tell me how to manually change it to defrost? I take it
it's under the dash, but I've never messed w/the heater stuff before.

Thanks,
Brew


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:57:20 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hub squeak

Guys,
Have another question for ya. In expectation of the amount of snow
today I locked in the front hubs before I left for work. Tonite when
heading out I then put the t-case into 4x4 and now I hear a squeak from
the front left hub. More like a consistant bird chirping
sound..chirp..chirp..chirp (faster w/road speed). There was no sign of
this when hubs were locked and case in two-wheel drive. I'm thinking I
simply need to add a little grease to the hub. It does it when
accelerating and a little when coasting, not at all when slowing down.
I have dismissed u-joint (axle) due to no squeaking when hub not locked,
but that doesn't mean I'm right. Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brew

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:06:52 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4

Andy,
If you plan to haul horses, even in the future, I'd consider an F-250. Price
is an issue here so you'd have to look at a truck a little older. My '87 has
84k miles on it so just because it's a little older doesn't mean it will have
lots of miles on it. You can haul w/an F-150 if that's what you already have
in you mind you want to do. It's just that an F-250 is already better suited
for such a task. I don't know what the book price is, you can check some sites
on the web. I can't remember the names, but I know others on the list will
recommend them to you. The F-250 will usually have bigger or better; tranny,
t-case (if 4x4), axles, springs, payload, driveline and brakes (although I
don't tow anything w/o my electric brakes). We've recommended to people who've
asked about towing w/a 150 to sell it and get a 250, so you're already ahead of
the game! :-)

Later,
Brew

Andrew Krein wrote:

> I'm new to this list and am in need of some information from those
> with more experience with Ford Trucks than I have.
>
> A small used car lot that mostly deals with pickups has a 1995 F150
> for sale. It's a long bed, regular cab, 4x4 XL (I think it's an XL)
> with a 351 v-8 and 4 speed automatic. It's a very stripped down
> truck, not many frills and they're asking $9995 for it.. It has about
> 95k miles and looks to be in good condition. At least cosmetically.
> Well kept interior and it started up quickly and idled smoothly, but I
> haven't had time to take it for a test ride or crawl around it yet.
> I'm looking for something to do some medium duty towing someday, the
> wife would like horses. Right now it's main purpose would be for some
> hauling and foul weather driving. I'd like to replace my '93 Firebird
> Formula (please no non-Ford flames), which is of no use in winter
> weather.

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:10:43 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What's first year for EFI on 4.9 engine?

Jim and Mike,
Ford phased the EFI into the trucks engines in phases. The 302 became EFI in
1985 I think. The 351 in 1988 for sure. Don't know about the 300 though,
sorry. "Jim! I'm a doctor, not an engine EFI specialist!"

Later,
Brew

Michael Redden wrote:

> As far as I know Ford went to EFI on all of the trucks built after January
> 1985.
> I have a non-EFI 351W built in December 1984. It is a "1985 model".
>
> Mike
> redden enter.net
>
> > Can anyone tell me what the first year was for EFI on the 4.9 liter
> > straight-6 engine?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jim Cannon
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:49:53 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited

I don't know what year your rig is, my 86 Bronco had the problem. I managed
to pull the cable shut that changes the flow path of the plenum. You'll have
to get down on the floor and 'find' it.

Bob


Randy wrote:

> Guys,
> I have a heater control problem that I don't think was addressed in that
> previous lengthy thread. I had posted earlier that my controls were
> acting up. Well, apparently that was a warning sign. Now the selector
> control isn't working at all. That would be ok, if it were stuck on
> defrost. But it's stuck on vent, which means the windshield and side
> windows get fogged (or icy) and stay that way. The only way to see the
> road is continually wipe the windshield w/a cloth and that's just not
> good enough. Like I said, I don't care if I can't make any other
> selection (floor, vent, etc) as long as I have my defrost I'm happy.
> Can someone tell me how to manually change it to defrost? I take it
> it's under the dash, but I've never messed w/the heater stuff before.
>
> Thanks,
> Brew
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:09:50 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited

Bob,
It is an '87 sorry. I think that will work. If the cable (?) is still attached
at that end, I thought I'd pull the over off the controls and see if I could
pull the cable. Can you give me an 'idea' of where to 'find' it?

Thanks,
Brew

Bob Kennedy wrote:

> I don't know what year your rig is, my 86 Bronco had the problem. I managed
> to pull the cable shut that changes the flow path of the plenum. You'll have
> to get down on the floor and 'find' it.
>
> Bob
>
> Randy wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> > I have a heater control problem that I don't think was addressed in that
> > previous lengthy thread. I had posted earlier that my controls were
> > acting up. Well, apparently that was a warning sign. Now the selector
> > control isn't working at all. That would be ok, if it were stuck on
> > defrost. But it's stuck on vent, which means the windshield and side
> > windows get fogged (or icy) and stay that way. The only way to see the
> > road is continually wipe the windshield w/a cloth and that's just not
> > good enough. Like I said, I don't care if I can't make any other
> > selection (floor, vent, etc) as long as I have my defrost I'm happy.
> > Can someone tell me how to manually change it to defrost? I take it
> > it's under the dash, but I've never messed w/the heater stuff before.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brew
> >
> > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:10:45 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited

Dave,
Yeah, I've heard of that too. My sister used to use something for her
eyeglasses so they wouldn't fog when entering the house from the cold. May have
to look into that.

Thanks,
Brew

Baldwin, Dave wrote:

>
> Brew,
>
> Don't know what's wrong with your controls, but isn't there some stuff you
> can buy that will keep your windshield from fogging up? This may help until
> you get things sorted out. I read that back in the bad old days (like 50
> years ago) they used something like dishwashing liquid (or something of that
> nature). Smearing it in a thin coating on the inside reduces the surface
> tension of the water when it condenses, and supposedly, it doesn't "bead
> up".
>
> I've never tried this--just salted it away for future reference in case I
> needed it. You might try it on a side window and see if it works before you
> go to the bother of wiping it all over. Read this in Chuck Yeager's
> book--for what it's worth. Can't remember the brand name they used.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: 12/31/98 8:42 PM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control - Revisited
>
> Guys,
> I have a heater control problem that I don't think was addressed in that
> previous lengthy thread. I had posted earlier that my controls were
> acting up. Well, apparently that was a warning sign. Now the selector
> control isn't working at all. That would be ok, if it were stuck on
> defrost. But it's stuck on vent, which means the windshield and side
> windows get fogged (or icy) and stay that way. The only way to see the
> road is continually wipe the windshield w/a cloth and that's just not
> good enough. Like I said, I don't care if I can't make any other
> selection (floor, vent, etc) as long as I have my defrost I'm happy.
> Can someone tell me how to manually change it to defrost? I take it
> it's under the dash, but I've never messed w/the heater stuff before.
>
> Thanks,
> Brew
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:29:17 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F150 4x4

Randy wrote:
> ......... You can haul w/an F-150 if that's what you already have
> in you mind you want to do. It's just that an F-250 is already better suited
> for such a task. I don't know what the book price is, you can check some sites
> on the web. I can't remember the names, but I know others on the list will
> recommend them to you. .....
>
see: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edmunds.com....


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