80-96-list-digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 431



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup
FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK
FTE 80-96 - Polished exhaust?
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 new engine start-up
FTE 80-96 - Re: '92 F150 Heater Core Removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup
FTE 80-96 - RE: 95 P.S.D. Fuel Injection Pump Problem ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK
Re: FTE 80-96 - Polished exhaust?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!
FTE 80-96 - PowerStroke Fuel Efficiency?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Heter Core
FTE 80-96 - '92 F150 Heater Core Removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - My POS J**p
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Straight six buildup

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 06:48:45 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup

There is nothing better than pre-priming your motor before startup. This
allows all the top end areas of the motor that are dry to be coated and
protected ESPECIALLY after a rebuild like you've done. I just did an upper
half rebuild myself and my Mechanic friends primed the pump not once but 2x to
make sure the valves and rings on the motor had plenty of oil to run on until
the oil pressure came up.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:46:44 -0800
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK


Here's the history - I currently have a '93 Bronco XLT with the 302 engine
and E4OD.
The first thing I did when I purchased it earlier this year was install the
requisite (at least in MY vehicles) K&N panel filter replacement. I'm now
considering putting in the full cone filter kit that replaces the airbox,
but was wondering if the extremely cold Midwest air (I'm in the Chicago
area) might cause more harm than good. I'm not worried about the summer
months - it'll certainly help there - just slightly concerned about the
below-zero winter periods.

Any thoughts?

- --Chris
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:18:45 -0600
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Polished exhaust?

I'm looking to replace the exhaust on my '93 Bronco, and I'm looking for a
polished tailpipe but haven't been able to locate any so far. Any
recommendations?

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:37:39 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 new engine start-up

Dennis, BY ALL MEANS prime the oil pump prior to starting it up for the
first time.I will take it a step further: Prime the pump before
installing the valve covers to confirm that EVERY lifter is oiling
correctly.When I did this on my 460 I did it before dropping the
distributor in to place with an electric drill motor with a slotted rod
attached to it,and it took several minutes to get oil up to each one.It
is MUCH easier to deal with a potential problem if it is sittin on a
stand rather than in the truck all buttoned up.Might save you a camshaft
in the process as well. Best of luck to ya.

Randy Goolsby,LaCenter,WA.94 Bronco EB 85 F-250 4X4"the Second
Amendment guarantees all the others"
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:59:02 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: '92 F150 Heater Core Removal

Sprung a leak in my heater. How do I remove the heater core?

Go under the hood and remove the heater hoses from the core. This is the
hard part because of the black sealant around the hoses and on the clamps.
In the passenger side cab, flex the glove box door and remove it. See a
black plastic plenum box behind the glove box. Remove the all 7 or 8 screws
around the perimeter and pull off the cover. Pull out the heater core. If
the new core does not have the foam sealing material across the top, you
will have to cut the stuff off the old and glue it to the new one. Clean up
any spilled coolant and reassemble. Overall, not a real difficult job.

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:28:58 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup

Dennis:
I'm pasting in (obvious trick, I know) a post by Sleddog from the 61-79
list.
Hope it helps. I like saving posts in a folder just in case I need them
later.
Another obvious trick :>}
Hope this helps,

Mike

Sleddog on 3-11-98 writes:

you'll know it's primed when it shoots oil at you if you use an electric
drill and an old pump shaft to do it.

the best thing to do is to take the old pump shaft and weld a longer piece
to it and use it to prime the motor after it is together by removing the
destributer and turning the pupm from there.

but you don't "have to" do it that way. if the pump is primed before
installation it is ok. some people disassemble the pump and fill it with
vasoline as a way to primer it.

when i primed my engine last time after ass'y, i needed to use a 1/2" drill

because my makita cordless didn't have the power to turn it!

just remember, use a new pump shaft. it is cheap insurance unless you
really can't afford the $20.

sleddog

> From: Dennis R. Fischer
> Since I have the old oil pump
> shaft, it would be a simple matter to lengthen it and then use it to
prime
> the oiling system.
>
> I'm interested in hearing your views on the pros and cons of priming the
> system.
>
> Dennis

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:52:48 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 95 P.S.D. Fuel Injection Pump Problem ?

Are you sure you got this post right? If you are having trouble passing
emissions with your Powerstroke it isn't due to an O2 sensor. At least as
far as I know diesels do not have O2 sensors. If you have an emissions
problem with a 95 Powerstroke go directly to the dealer and claim for
emissions warranty repairs. Emissions coverage is good for either 50,000 or
100,000 miles, I don't remember which. Diesel emissions tests generally
look. for black smoke with an opacity test. In Colorado these tests are run
on a dynamometer. A properly running Powerstroke has very low opacity. If
it is smoking something is wrong.

If your truck has been sitting for a long time and you tried the test with
old fuel put new fuel in it. Drive the tanks with fresh fuel till needing a
refill
And refill with fresh fuel. Then try the test again.

Larry


Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:27:51 -0500
From: Michael Royal >
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 95 P.S.D. Fuel Injection Pump Problem ?

Larry: thanks for responding so quickly -
The problem is in the exhaust system - the 02 Sensor, which governs the
burning of hydrocarbons - I have been away for a long time, and my truck
won't pass inspection (emissions control) here in Fla until I replace the O2
Sensor...can you help by sending instructions?
Smeins, Larry wrote:

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:23:32 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup

Every engine has to be cranked for the first time. If you did a good job;
don't worry about it. Just crank her up!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis R. Fischer
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 8:17 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New engine startup


>I'm just putting the finishing touchs on my 351W rebuild. Crane cam,
roller
>timing chain/gears, 40 over pistons (if I did my math correctly, its now a
>358W), cleaned up the journals, all new bearings, high-volume oil pump,
>reworked the heads and even went as far as rebuilding the water pump.
>
>I have a lot of time and money invested and my concern is the first startup
>when all the oil is sitting in the sump. Since I have the old oil pump
>shaft, it would be a simple matter to lengthen it and then use it to prime
>the oiling system.
>
>I'm interested in hearing your views on the pros and cons of priming the
>system.
>
>Dennis
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:26:45 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK

You should not worry about the cold. Cold is better than hot. More fuel
gets in without evaporating when it is cool. The heat will cause the fuel
to evaporate.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ferino, Chris
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:47 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK


>
>Here's the history - I currently have a '93 Bronco XLT with the 302 engine
>and E4OD.
>The first thing I did when I purchased it earlier this year was install the
>requisite (at least in MY vehicles) K&N panel filter replacement. I'm now
>considering putting in the full cone filter kit that replaces the airbox,
>but was wondering if the extremely cold Midwest air (I'm in the Chicago
>area) might cause more harm than good. I'm not worried about the summer
>months - it'll certainly help there - just slightly concerned about the
>below-zero winter periods.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>--Chris
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:15:26 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about FIPK

I don't think that the cold air will do any harm to your truck. As a matter of
fact the colder the air, the denser the fuel mixture. It should run much
better under those conditions. I know that it gets really, really cold there
but it shouldn't make that big of a difference.
Just my . 02,
Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:18:42 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Polished exhaust?

Any good parts store like PepBoys or Auto Zone has the slide on tailpipes and
often have the weld on styles in many different variations.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:19:19 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!

Once again, Ford Truck Enthusiasts has won a Carlounge award!
This is the third quarterly award we've won from them. We
won the #2 automotive site, behind (yuck) the official
Chevy site. Not bad that little ol' FTE placed right behind
big Chevrolet!

I want to thank everyone who nominated us!

Ken Payne

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:30:39 -0800
From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
Subject: FTE 80-96 - PowerStroke Fuel Efficiency?

Hi.

I've got a '97 F350 4x4 CC w/ PS and 4.10 gears, and am wondering what sort
of milage others with similar beasts are getting.
For the most part, we just drive around town, and don't tow much - not
enough to affect milage. The truck is usually somewhat empty; I believe
that the dry empty weight is right around 6,000#, so my guess is wet and
with normal load it's still under 7,000#. I run normal fuel (Texaco or
Shell diesel), don't idle for hours on end, etc - but lately we've gotten a
paltry 12MPG! Yuck. Up until a couple of months ago, we got a regular 16
to 17MPG (uncorrected for the 33" tires, which are not that much bigger than
the stock). My driving style has not changed much - I still floor it a lot.
30+K miles in case that matters. I've heard that the PS "gets better" with
age up to about 30k, but mine hasn't changed much.

I just had it into the local dealer, and he claims that others are getting
about the same "because of the cold" (this is when it was about 15-20F high,
not really outstanding) which I'm having a bit of trouble believing. They
ran their tests and found nothing being reported as malfunctioning, but then
again, something could be busted and just not saying that it's busted and
not come up on the tests... it also seems a bit gutless...

Anyone getting a lot better? I realize that the 4.10 are getting less
milage than 3.73 gears, but 12 unloaded! I got 12 with a big camper _and_
pulling a cargo trailer up and down mountain passes last year!
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:14:36 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Heter Core

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:37:23 EST
From: JohnFandR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '92 F150 Heater Core Removal

Sprung a leak in my heater. How do I remove the heater core?

Thanks,
J. Hill
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It was a snap on my 88 F-150, a bit tougher on my 92! It is accessed via a
removable panel under the dash behind the glove box. Box must be removed
to facilitate doing the deed. Swivels and extensions are nice to have.
And it will help to hold your tongue JUST RIGHT!!!!

Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C 5.0L E4OD
81 GS1000G Suzuki
86 FJ1200 Yamaha
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:05:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '92 F150 Heater Core Removal

J.Hill,

I just had the honor of replacing the heater core in my '84 F-150
about a month ago. I'm assuming your '92 is similar. After detaching
the heater hoses under the hood almost all the rest is done inside. I
had to remove glovebox, then pull back insulation on firewall to
uncover three nuts on bolts that come through. They are in weird
positions (like above and behind the ducts) and you'll need either a
deep socket or box wrench to get them. The final nut is a PAIN. You
have to take off the hood cowling, then pull a rubber plug under it to
reach down into the fresh-air-intake-place to remove the final nut. I
used a pair of vice grips with string tied around the handles to
retrieve them after they got dropped many times. My hands with vice
grips barely fit into the hole, and had to go down to the elbow.
After all nuts were removed, the box pulls out under the hood pretty
easy. You then have to unscrew a retaining section around the opening
of the box, you can then remove the core *fairly* easily. You should
really get a replacement gasket as most replacement cores don't come
with them and your old one will be pretty well shot. Be sure you get
the whole unit bolted down securely upon re-assembly or else you'll be
getting nasty underhood fumes in the interior... whew... Hope that
helps...

Just got some snow tires the other day after nearly fouling my
trousers trying to drive (sideways as it was) during the last whiteout
here in Buffalo. Hope they work better than no-tread "slicks".

Alex
'84 F-150




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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:15:25 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My POS J**p

Rad,
seems to me Summit and Jegs both sell the 4150, but could be wrong. I know,
you'd think I worked for these guys as much as I mention them, but nope.

Later,
Brew

Radoje Spasojevic wrote:

> Well after spending a couple of days working on my POS J**p I have
> discovered that the previous owner or his mechanic should be shot. The list
> of screwed up things I will have to redo or replace is too long and
> uninteresting to repeat here. How ever I do have a Ford related
> question...the intake manifold is designed for a spead bore carb (the SPO
> had a SQUARE bore 4 to 2 barrel adapter plate and 2bbl Holley carb atop it).
> Anyway the manual says that it was originally equipped with a Motorcraft
> (Ford) 4150 4bbl carb. Where could I get one of these carbs? Is it any
> good or is there a better replacement spread bore carb I can put on my 401?
> I like the idea of have as much Ford parts as possible on this
> thing..hopefully the quality will be absorbed by the J**p parts.
>
> Rade
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:05:21 PST
From: "Brandon Montz"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 Straight six buildup

Dear Bryan,

Do you know of it is possible to supercharge my I-6?
I want to put a whipple supercharger on it, but I have the slightest
clue how I would go about it. Your input will be appreciated.

Sincerely, Brandon.


>From: "Bryan Snyder"
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300 Straight six buildup
>Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:02:19 PST
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>
>Dear Brandon,
>
>There are several companies that offer HIPO pieces for the 300/6.
>Clifford Performance is THE source for straight 4 and 6s, they have
>headers, cams, manifolds pistons etc, HOWEVER most is for the carbed
>300. Some may be able to be modified for the FI model. Offenhauser, a
>intake manifold company, makes a manifold for the carbed 300 which you
>may be able to modify, they claim an extra 100HP with their manifold,
>good headers, and a new cam, I guess the 300/6 is pretty choked off
>compared to most. All of the big cam companies will custom grind you a
>cam at your request and help you select a good profile for it. Many
>custom piston places will do the same also and since you only need six
>instead of eight it may be worth it. Get a K+N filter and a really good
>set of plug wires and coil, stay away from that Jacob's crap, I had one
>and wish I never spent the $350!! I've heard the same from many others
>too. If you have a auto consider a tranny valve body kit and a tranny....


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