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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Merry Christmas!!
FTE 80-96 - RE: Multimeter
FTE 80-96 - MERRY X-MAS TO ALL
FTE 80-96 - Easy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade
FTE 80-96 - Re: multimeter
FTE 80-96 - Re: starting problems
FTE 80-96 - Re: 82 F250/Duraspark 3 problems
FTE 80-96 - Sparks jumping
FTE 80-96 - Re: light throttle stumble
FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
FTE 80-96 - Re: is ALLDATA any good?
FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
FTE 80-96 - Holidays
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sparks jumping
Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie
RE: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie
FTE 80-96 - 8.8 rear-end gear
FTE 80-96 - F250 DURA SPARK 3 IGNITION PROBLEMS
Re: FTE 80-96 - F250 DURA SPARK 3 IGNITION PROBLEMS
FTE 80-96 - Volt gage fluctuation
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Digital Multitester
Re: FTE 80-96 - Easy
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80-86 bed
FTE 80-96 - Weight of an E40D, 4R100 or C6?
Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Digital Multitester
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Digital Multitester/Harbor Freight

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:48:39 -0500
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Merry Christmas!!

I just wanted to take the time to Wish Everyone a Happy Holiday, Marry
Christmas and a Happy New Year. This site is a great information source!!!!
Ken keep up the great work!!!!!





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NAME: Norman J. Maranda Jr.
TITLE: SENIOR STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:23:06 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Multimeter

I have an off brand copy of a Fluke, about 2 plus years now. Sure, it won't
show fast fluctuations...but for everything I do, it beat the crap out of
spending way over 100 bucks!!!!

Ditto to whoever said "leads" !!!! They ARE important!!!!

Dave H.
dharmier gte.net
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:35:18 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - MERRY X-MAS TO ALL

Gang,
With all this ice and probability it staying for a few days
I thought I would go ahead and wish everyone a
VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. Once I leave today and depending
on the road conditions tomorrow won't be back until Jan 4th
cause my company gives us next week off. Anyways hope
everyone has a safe holiday. I'll be raising a few millers
to you all. And everybody that lives here in Alabama,
and surrounding states( Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee)
we all need to take it easy on the roads for the next few days
until this ice/snow gets outta here.

Once again, Happy Holidays to EVERYONE.
I still need to do my x-mas shopping.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:59:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Easy

OK... quick question for any of you guys with a manual... I've got
'84 F-150 I6/4SP Manual with a simple towing ball mounted on bumper.
Does anyone know what Ford's recommended towing weight limit is? I've
got extra cooling, but no transmission cooler. Any advice would be
appreciated.

Merry Day-Before-Christmas Eve!

Alex





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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:43:01 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade

I don't 100 percent understand why it happens, but it does. Someone here did
an excellent post on the physics of the effect. Some back pressure is
necessary. I thought the same as you until I did the mod and had the cat and
everything back removed ND replaced with 2"+ pipes and flowmasters. The
engine breathes real easy and where I used to have no problem taking off in
2nd, I can see now having to use a bit more gas to get it going. It used to
do about 1900 rpm 60 mph, now I do 70-75 about 1700-1800. Also now when
towing my boat I can't put it in Overdrive unless I am down hill or have a
good tailwind. When I move back to Oregon (I am in ND) I am putting the cat
back on. but as long as I have to drive through Montana {no speed limit ;) }
I'll keep is at is
Steve
>>I don't recall the original post. But I don't remember anyone posting an
>>exhaust upgrade that would have caused a loss of low end torque I >>have
>>seen this comment several times in other news groups, it just doesn't
>>happen. It would probably be impossible to reduce low end torque with
>>an
>>aftermarket exhaust system. Even with long tube headers, they would
>>need to
>>be very large in diameter to reduce exhaust velocity enough that they
>>were
>>worse than the original manifolds. After the collectors, anything that
>>reduces backpressure helps

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:47:55 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade

Sounds to me like you have some other problem with your truck. Possibly you
have a speed/density system that is just too far off at the low end, or your
truck is carburated and you didn't re-jet to account for the exhaust system.
Either way, the relatively conservative exhaust systems we install on our
street driven trucks will never hurt the low end. I have lost track of how
many people I have helped with headers and exhausts, and then had to fight
with them about re-jetting. Quite often the idle is obvious, and easy to
adjust, but jets, tubes and power valves take a little more work. I have
had people come back with all the exhaust valves burn and seized, all I
could do was tell them " told you so ".

I'll have to dig up all my old calculations and tables ( moved and can't
find anything ). The are also a couple of header manufacturers web pages
that have the calculations for tube diameter, length and design.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen W. Hansen
To: 80-96-list
Date: December 23, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade


>I don't 100 percent understand why it happens, but it does. Someone here
did
>an excellent post on the physics of the effect. Some back pressure is
>necessary. I thought the same as you until I did the mod and had the cat
and
>everything back removed ND replaced with 2"+ pipes and flowmasters. The
>engine breathes real easy and where I used to have no problem taking off in
>2nd, I can see now having to use a bit more gas to get it going. It used to
>do about 1900 rpm 60 mph, now I do 70-75 about 1700-1800. Also now when
>towing my boat I can't put it in Overdrive unless I am down hill or have a
>good tailwind. When I move back to Oregon (I am in ND) I am putting the cat
>back on. but as long as I have to drive through Montana {no speed limit
;) }
>I'll keep is at is
>Steve


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:54:30 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: multimeter

I too own a Fluke 87, bought it in '90 and use it occasionally because a
testlamp is much more convenient. I have gone through five or six Snap-On
testlamps and have gone months without opening the case to my Fluke. DVOM
does come in very handy and can't imagine working without it.
Bart-AK

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:44:48 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: starting problems

Casey, don't forget that ambient temp. plays a big role with batt. output.
For example: Fairbanks, AK. at minus 15 a fully charged batt. is only 60%
effective compared to a batt. in Miami Beach, FL.

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:05:33 +0000
From: Rob & Laurie Osborn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 82 F250/Duraspark 3 problems

Anybody experienced w/D3 ignition. I've tried everything and haven't
solved the quitting problem. See posted letter. Thanks

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:05:08 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Sparks jumping

You write: >>I see a lot of traffic on the list about ignition wires. I
have a suggestion:
run the engine with the hood up at night with no lights (not easy to find
these days). With modern high energy ignition systems, you will see the
sparks jumping very easily.

Been using this since long before the 1st electronic ignitions, so the
current High energy systems just make it that much easier.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:07 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: light throttle stumble

I'm one those in on this "light throttle stumble" thing that's been much
discussed. I was going down a possible bad MAP sensor path. Since I could
not accurately check out the frequency varying type MAP I just decided to
unplug it to see what effect it had. Well the truck ran horrible. But the
good news is that the act testing the MAP the way I did seemed to reduce
stumble and off-idle hesitation some. I can't explain it except that maybe
in trying to compensate for no MAP the computer was forced to a new (and
better) set point.

Regarding proximity of plug wires to TPS wiring, on the I6 engine these
things are at least a foot apart. However, the TPS wires go into a 1" thick
harness that runs down between the 4 and 5 plugs then turns horizontal and
runs the length of the engine. I think I'll leave the Ford routing alone.
I did measure two of my "discount store" plug wires at ~4K ohms. Maybe they
need a closer look.

David Anderson
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:10:12 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

I'm one those in on this "light throttle stumble" thing that's been much
discussed. I was going down a possible bad MAP sensor path. Since I could
not accurately check out the frequency varying type MAP I just decided to
unplug it to see what effect it had. Well the truck ran horrible. But the
good news is that the act testing the MAP the way I did seemed to reduce
stumble and off-idle hesitation some. I can't explain it except that maybe
in trying to compensate for no MAP the computer was forced to a new (and
better) set point.

Regarding proximity of plug wires to TPS, on the I6 engine these things a at
least a foot apart. However, the TPS wires go into a 1" thick harness that
runs down
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:14:56 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: is ALLDATA any good?

I have ALLDATA and the $10 Haynes manual. If I had to chose just one it
would be the Haynes. The best part of Alldata are the TSB list and their
contents. The actual vehicle repair section of Alldata just seems shallow
and incomplete. It's just scanned in pages from some other manual.

David Anderson

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:24:21 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

Whoops, I sent the wrong message body under the same subject. I apologize.

Now the question. I've heard that throttle bodies and air bypass valves can
get gummed up. My question is how to clean the throttle body on an I6
engine: on the engine or off. I planned to use spray carb cleaner and pull
it off the upper intake and use a new gasket to install. If there is as
easier, equally effective way, I'd like to hear about it. Another possible
reason for off the car cleaning is that some carb cleaner can hurt the O2
sensor.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:43:15 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Holidays

I will be off the lists for the Holiday season. I will get back on the
list after that time, but I don't want a jillion messages to catch up on
while I am off work, so I'm signing off......

To all of you: Keep safe and a Very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Be back 01/04/99.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:39:40 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sparks jumping

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> run the engine with the hood up at night with no lights (not easy to find
> these days). With modern high energy ignition systems, you will see the
> sparks jumping very easily.

Yep, Azie!
A number of years ago, when I was stationed in Spain, a friend of mine
had an old VW Beetle that was running real rough. I had him start it up
with the engine cover open at night. Looked like the Fourth of July in
there. A new set of plug wires and it ran like a champ.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:42:35 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

"David Anderson (EUS)" wrote:
>
> Whoops, I sent the wrong message body under the same subject. I apologize.
>
Stuff happens.

:)

> Now the question. I've heard that throttle bodies and air bypass valves can
> get gummed up. My question is how to clean the throttle body on an I6
> engine: on the engine or off. I planned to use spray carb cleaner and pull
> it off the upper intake and use a new gasket to install. If there is as
> easier, equally effective way, I'd like to hear about it. Another possible
> reason for off the car cleaning is that some carb cleaner can hurt the O2
> sensor.
>
I'd tend to leave it on and not use carb cleaner. Use stuff labeled
"fuel injection" or "throttle body" cleaner. That's what it's for. A
shop will charge you $50-$75 for one of thse pressure cleanings, which
do seem to work reasonable well. Also add some FI cleaner to the gas for
a few tanks. Sort of soften the suff up :)

Then get busy spraying and spritzing. But if it does make you feel
better, by all means go ahead and remove it.

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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:52:04 -0800
From: "Mike"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie

I know that number 2 diesel is supposed to be used when the temp is above 20
F and number 1 when below that. We've had a few nights in the mid teens
lately - I have not been driving the truck (85 F250 6.9 turbo). My question
is, if the fuel does gel when it gets below 20F, will it "un-gel" once the
temp warms back up and be useable or do I need to add something to it before
I drive the truck (assuming the temp is back into the 30's) ?
I switched tanks the other day when it was about 24F outside and the truck
ran like crap for the next mile or so. I am assuming that the fuel in the
tank was "getting thick". Any attempt to give it much throttle caused it to
run very rough.

thanks,
mike
mailto:mikemilr ix.netcom.com


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:49:17 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

David,

I saw a 3M Injector Cleaning Kit on a car maintenance show on cable TV that
looks like it will work very well. it comes with three different cans of
cleaner.

One can cleans the throttle body. Just like the old carb cleaning cans. The
second you screw into the fuel line inlet and run the motor while it sucks
the fuel out of the can from a collapsible bladder inside the can. It will
run the motor for about 15 seconds and cleans the injectors. The third
bottle you pour into the gas tank and it cleans the valves and plugs.

The downside to this is you will need to purchase a hose adapter kit for
your model of vehicle separately and it is a little pricey. I think it is
geared to be purchased buy car tune up shops. But if you do your own
maintenance and plan to have the vehicle awhile I think it is worth it.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Anderson (EUS) [SMTP:EUSDRAN am1.ericsson.se]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:24 AM
> To: '80 Ford Truck'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body
>
> Whoops, I sent the wrong message body under the same subject. I
> apologize.
>
> Now the question. I've heard that throttle bodies and air bypass valves
> can
> get gummed up. My question is how to clean the throttle body on an I6
> engine: on the engine or off. I planned to use spray carb cleaner and
> pull
> it off the upper intake and use a new gasket to install. If there is as
> easier, equally effective way, I'd like to hear about it. Another
> possible
> reason for off the car cleaning is that some carb cleaner can hurt the O2
> sensor.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:53:43 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

>Whoops, I sent the wrong message body under the same subject. I apologize.
>
>Now the question. I've heard that throttle bodies and air bypass valves can
>get gummed up. My question is how to clean the throttle body on an I6
>engine: on the engine or off. I planned to use spray carb cleaner and pull
>it off the upper intake and use a new gasket to install. If there is as
>easier, equally effective way, I'd like to hear about it. Another possible
>reason for off the car cleaning is that some carb cleaner can hurt the O2
>sensor.

That's why I use fuel injector cleaner instead of carb cleaner on my 2.3
throttle body (different vehicle, but still a Ford). From what I hear, it
is O2 sensor safe.

I would be interested in hearing what other people do.

- -Dave Slotter
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:11:54 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade

I'll back up the re-jetting thing 'til I'm blue in the face, although my
experiences were with a motorcycle. I bought the Harley used and the guy
who had it before me put a high-flow exhaust on it without re-jetting the
carb, although I didn't know about him not completing the job. When the
bike would heat up the engine would chatter like all get-out. One place
said they didn't know what the problem was. Another said I needed to have
the engine opened up. The third place said it was just the carb and that
the bike was running too lean.
I liked that answer, and since it was cheap, I gave it a shot. All my
problems were cured, and the performance went through the roof.

- -Mike

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Fitzsimmons
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade


Sounds to me like you have some other problem with your truck. Possibly you
have a speed/density system that is just too far off at the low end, or your
truck is carburated and you didn't re-jet to account for the exhaust system.
Either way, the relatively conservative exhaust systems we install on our
street driven trucks will never hurt the low end. I have lost track of how
many people I have helped with headers and exhausts, and then had to fight
with them about re-jetting. Quite often the idle is obvious, and easy to
adjust, but jets, tubes and power valves take a little more work. I have
had people come back with all the exhaust valves burn and seized, all I
could do was tell them " told you so ".

I'll have to dig up all my old calculations and tables ( moved and can't
find anything ). The are also a couple of header manufacturers web pages
that have the calculations for tube diameter, length and design.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen W. Hansen
To: 80-96-list
Date: December 23, 1998 11:15 AM
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE- Exhaust Upgrade


>I don't 100 percent understand why it happens, but it does. Someone here
did
>an excellent post on the physics of the effect. Some back pressure is
>necessary. I thought the same as you until I did the mod and had the cat
and
>everything back removed ND replaced with 2"+ pipes and flowmasters. The
>engine breathes real easy and where I used to have no problem taking off in
>2nd, I can see now having to use a bit more gas to get it going. It used to
>do about 1900 rpm 60 mph, now I do 70-75 about 1700-1800. Also now when
>towing my boat I can't put it in Overdrive unless I am down hill or have a
>good tailwind. When I move back to Oregon (I am in ND) I am putting the cat
>back on. but as long as I have to drive through Montana {no speed limit
;) }
>I'll keep is at is
>Steve


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:28:14 -0800
From: Rick Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie

Mike,

When I was working my way through college I was a refueler at the airport.
Standard practice was the addition of spray (called 'PRIST' if I recall that far
back) whene refueling jet aircraft. PRIST prevented freezing of the fuel while
the aircraft was at high altitude during the winter months. This additive or
something like it should still be available from the local airport (provided
they handle jet traffic), as 'JET A' and Diesel are (or were at that time)
virtually the same thing.

BTW, I was told back then that the 'contract' fuel (the economical stuff coming
in on the pipeline) needed PRIST, but that name brand fuels already had an
anti-icing additive...

Don't run a diesel myself so I haven't looked or noticed, but I would think fuel
stops (especially truck stops) and/or parts houses might offer a similar
additive.

But then again my data is 20+ years old and may not be relevant any more...

As for when the fuel has already 'gelled,' I don't know the answer to that one.
I do know that fuel that cold does cause some condensation in the tank, which we
used to have to remove by 'sumping' all the trucks and tanks after the units had
been sitting overnight.

Good luck & Merry Christmas!

Rick
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:43:38 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Newbie

Rick - your comments can open up a can of worms that could consume many, many
messages. As I understand it, most diesel fuel contains appropriate amounts of
conditioners to prevent gel formation, but extremes of temperature can make adding
some other "stuff" advisable. There are many different "diesel fuel conditioners" on
the market, and I suspect that most of them use alcohol to pull water out of the
fuel. Of, course, in addition to buying fuel from a dealer that truckers use, it
also helps to keep condensation down by keeping the tank full as much as possible.

As far as Jet A, I think it is closer to kerosene than diesel (but neither the
diesel engine or jet engines are all that picky about what they burn - under normal
conditions). A lot of local people add a gallon or so of kerosene to a tank of
diesel fuel to help keep the gel from forming. While "sumping" a 5000 tanker is not
that big a deal, trying to get the stuff out of a truck system can be a real pain.

Rick Hunt wrote:

> Mike,
>
> When I was working my way through college I was a refueler at the airport.
> Standard practice was the addition of spray (called 'PRIST' if I recall that far
> back) whene refueling jet aircraft. PRIST prevented freezing of the fuel while
> the aircraft was at high altitude during the winter months. This additive or
> something like it should still be available from the local airport (provided
> they handle jet traffic), as 'JET A' and Diesel are (or were at that time)
> virtually the same thing.
>
> BTW, I was told back then that the 'contract' fuel (the economical stuff coming
> in on the pipeline) needed PRIST, but that name brand fuels already had an
> anti-icing additive...
>
> Don't run a diesel myself so I haven't looked or noticed, but I would think fuel
> stops (especially truck stops) and/or parts houses might offer a similar
> additive.
>
> But then again my data is 20+ years old and may not be relevant any more...
>
> As for when the fuel has already 'gelled,' I don't know the answer to that one.
> I do know that fuel that cold does cause some condensation in the tank, which we
> used to have to remove by 'sumping' all the trucks and tanks after the units had
> been sitting overnight.
>
> Good luck & Merry Christmas!
>
> Rick
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Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)



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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:12:29 EST
From: JJust4505 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 8.8 rear-end gear

does any the torque spec. on the ring gear to the diff.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:32:32 +0000
From: Rob & Laurie Osborn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F250 DURA SPARK 3 IGNITION PROBLEMS

>I'm unable to solve a problem with my 82 F250 Duraspark 3 ignition
>system. Any ideas would be appreciated. I've replaced all the
electrical
>components w/high quality parts except the brain. It still quits after
>10 or so miles of opereation and then starts back up. Just replaced the

>ignition switch and the resistor in the wire harness from there. Any
>ideas?

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:46:22 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F250 DURA SPARK 3 IGNITION PROBLEMS

Sounds like heat getting to the brain.

Bob


Rob & Laurie Osborn wrote:

> >I'm unable to solve a problem with my 82 F250 Duraspark 3 ignition
> >system. Any ideas would be appreciated. I've replaced all the
> electrical
> >components w/high quality parts except the brain. It still quits after
> >10 or so miles of opereation and then starts back up. Just replaced the
>
> >ignition switch and the resistor in the wire harness from there. Any
> >ideas?
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:32:42 -0600
From: "dtra2"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Volt gage fluctuation

What would cause my volts gage to be very low when at an idle and
just above normal when driving?

Chuck


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:32:36 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Digital Multitester

if you got a PArts USA or Pep Boys near you they got the same exact one Sears
sells for $100 for $40 so i would try those stores first
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:42:15 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Easy

i wouldnt tow more than a couple of hundred pounds like that get a cooler
theyre cheap enough
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:51:19 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 80-86 bed

COUNT ME IN IM INTERESTED
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:49:03 -0800
From: johny
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Weight of an E40D, 4R100 or C6?

Anyone know the ball park "dry" weight of an E40D, 4R100 or C6
transmission is? I was looking at some allison transmission
data, and the "little ones" weigh in at 535 lbs.

I'd believe it's less, but was curious, by how much.

thanks,
- -john



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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:22:03 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body

Not to sound overly cautious but I would buy a cleaner that is listed as
being safe for EFI systems. Your best bet might be to go to the Ford dealer
and buy what they sell for that purpose.

Rade
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From: David Anderson (EUS)
To: '80 Ford Truck'
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 6:27 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to clean throttle body


>Whoops, I sent the wrong message body under the same subject. I apologize.
>
>Now the question. I've heard that throttle bodies and air bypass valves
can
>get gummed up. My question is how to clean the throttle body on an I6
>engine: on the engine or off. I planned to use spray carb cleaner and pull
>it off the upper intake and use a new gasket to install. If there is as
>easier, equally effective way, I'd like to hear about it. Another possible
>reason for off the car cleaning is that some carb cleaner can hurt the O2
>sensor.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:13:13 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Digital Multitester

The Harbor Freight catalog listed 2 a cheap(?) one for $9 and the spendy(?) one
for $29.

Bob


ROlson1039 ....


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