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Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
FTE 80-96 - Flowmaster
FTE 80-96 - bah humbug
FTE 80-96 - Re: Houston Shop
FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250
Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250
FTE 80-96 - Looking For
FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing
Re: FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing
Re: FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking For
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250
Cobra, was Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking For

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:50:05 -0500
From: Ben Havens
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:04:50 -0800
>From: "Matt and Deidre"
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
>
>You get what you pay for!


But it certainly doesn't sound like he got what he *asked* for, does it?
(Assuming the scenario described took place.)
People are so quick to blame the purchaser sometimes for picking shoddy
parts, but the fact is a lot of these el-cheapo parts these days come with
lifetime warranties to compensate for the cheapness, leading the stores to
push them as "the best" when in fact they may not be (and prob'ly aren't).
While in general I agree w/ the above sentiment, deals can be had on good
equip't and one can get unknowingly gouged on cheap sh**, so there are
exceptions to that rule as with any other.

Ben
'94 Bronco w/ nifty blue Motorsport wires

>- -----Original Message-----
>From: David Cole
>Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 3:53 AM
>
>>At 05:08 AM 12/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>I worked at Pep Boys and we always had people coming in not wanting to
>spend
>>>money so they would opt for the cheap wires. Some came back complaining.
>>>They were given refunds. All I can say is if you are gonna be cheap;
>don't
>>>complain if they don't live up to your expectations. (You wouldn't buy a
>>>Neon and expect to out run a Z28)
>>
>>No, I wouldn't expect them to be perfect. I would expect them to at least
>>last a little while.
>>
>>Scenario:
>>
>>Due to work, it's a Sunday when you need to do a tune up. You go to Auto
>>Zone (or other chain). You tell them you need plug wire wires among other
>>things (everything for a complete tuneup). They ask if you want the 1 yr
>>warranty wires or the lifetime wires. You tell them to give you the best
>>wires they have, the lifetime warranty ones. You ask them if they are any
>>good, any customer complaints, etc. They say no, they are very good
wires.
>> You say ok, take home and install.
>>
>>>From the above scenario I expect this. While I don't believe for a
second
>>that these wires will last for a lifetime, I do expect that they will work
>>on the intended vehicle and that they will last longer than 4K miles!
>>
>>Later,
>>
>>David Cole



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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:15:07 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

Ben Havens wrote:
>
> >Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:04:50 -0800
> >From: "Matt and Deidre"
> >Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
> >
> >You get what you pay for!
>
> But it certainly doesn't sound like he got what he *asked* for, does it?
> (Assuming the scenario described took place.)
> People are so quick to blame the purchaser sometimes for picking shoddy
> parts, but the fact is a lot of these el-cheapo parts these days come with
> lifetime warranties to compensate for the cheapness, leading the stores to
> push them as "the best" when in fact they may not be (and prob'ly aren't).
> While in general I agree w/ the above sentiment, deals can be had on good
> equip't and one can get unknowingly gouged on cheap sh**, so there are
> exceptions to that rule as with any other.
>
> Ben
> '94 Bronco w/ nifty blue Motorsport wires


Thats funny, not trying to start a flame war or anything, but the guys
on the Lightning list have had nothing but trouble from the motorsports
wires, miss at idle and lots radio noise! I can't say personally cause i
did not purchase any as I have seen the number of complaints...I used
Taylor wires and i am very satisfied but I haved heard good things about
Magenor core also!
Do you notice any of the symptons with your Motorsport wires? Maybe its
just for the Lightning application that there is a problem but it exists
with most manufacturers, sometimes they work great and sometimes they
don't
Chris
94 Lightning#381
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:29:26 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

With that scenario; you should know if your truck needs a tune up way before
you get in and it wont start. (and you cant get to work) Think ; well it
has been 35,000 miles since I did my last tune up and I think I'll call
Summit or go to the nearest Hot Rod Shop and get some good wires that way it
never gets to the point of having to go to the nearest chain store and get
there wires. Summit does have free ground shipping! I hope nobody really
waits till it is time to go to work before they decide to do a complete
tune-up.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben Havens
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble


>
>>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:04:50 -0800
>>From: "Matt and Deidre"
>>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
>>
>>You get what you pay for!
>
>
>But it certainly doesn't sound like he got what he *asked* for, does it?
>(Assuming the scenario described took place.)
>People are so quick to blame the purchaser sometimes for picking shoddy
>parts, but the fact is a lot of these el-cheapo parts these days come with
>lifetime warranties to compensate for the cheapness, leading the stores to
>push them as "the best" when in fact they may not be (and prob'ly aren't).
>While in general I agree w/ the above sentiment, deals can be had on good
>equip't and one can get unknowingly gouged on cheap sh**, so there are
>exceptions to that rule as with any other.
>
>Ben
>'94 Bronco w/ nifty blue Motorsport wires
>
>>- -----Original Message-----
>>From: David Cole
>>Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 3:53 AM
>>
>>>At 05:08 AM 12/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>I worked at Pep Boys and we always had people coming in not wanting to
>>spend
>>>>money so they would opt for the cheap wires. Some came back
complaining.
>>>>They were given refunds. All I can say is if you are gonna be cheap;
>>don't
>>>>complain if they don't live up to your expectations. (You wouldn't buy
a
>>>>Neon and expect to out run a Z28)
>>>
>>>No, I wouldn't expect them to be perfect. I would expect them to at
least
>>>last a little while.
>>>
>>>Scenario:
>>>
>>>Due to work, it's a Sunday when you need to do a tune up. You go to Auto
>>>Zone (or other chain). You tell them you need plug wire wires among
other
>>>things (everything for a complete tuneup). They ask if you want the 1 yr
>>>warranty wires or the lifetime wires. You tell them to give you the best
>>>wires they have, the lifetime warranty ones. You ask them if they are
any
>>>good, any customer complaints, etc. They say no, they are very good
>wires.
>>> You say ok, take home and install.
>>>
>>>>From the above scenario I expect this. While I don't believe for a
>second
>>>that these wires will last for a lifetime, I do expect that they will
work
>>>on the intended vehicle and that they will last longer than 4K miles!
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>
>>>David Cole
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:13:47 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

At 10:29 AM 12/20/98 -0800, you wrote:
>With that scenario; you should know if your truck needs a tune up way before
>you get in and it wont start. (and you cant get to work)

I never said anything about waiting to the truck wouldn't run. I normally
install a new set of plugs about every 20K miles in my vehicles. They get
a complete tune-up, wires, etc every 40k. I keep my vehicles in better
mechanical shape than 99% of the public. Why do you think I spent all this
time and money tracking down a minor problem that was just an annoyance?
It was something that most people would just live with, but I couldn't. I
have always held to this schedule and it has worked up until now.
Think ; well it
>has been 35,000 miles since I did my last tune up and I think I'll call
>Summit or go to the nearest Hot Rod Shop and get some good wires that way it
>never gets to the point of having to go to the nearest chain store and get
>there wires. Summit does have free ground shipping!
Summit is a good company, bought many parts for my drag car from them.

I work on call 24 hrs a day, 7 days, so, I am always waiting to go to work.
I take any free time when I can get it.
I hope nobody really
>waits till it is time to go to work before they decide to do a complete
>tune-up.

I posted experience to let others know about the overlooked cure to a
problem many seemed to have. I did not post it to flame/be flamed about
either my parts selection or my maintainence schedule. If I wanted that
kind of crap I would just post to usenet in alt.rec.yourcarsux or most of
the auto/truck newsgroups. Just trying to pass on some information in
hopes of keeping someone from going through the same thing. Yes, I am
guilty of falling for the chain store sales pitch as many are, so sue me.
I never said don't buy from chain stores, I was simply giving a warning
about a particular chain store product. This product is advertised and
promoted as being high quality and it simply doesn't live up to it's billing.

There are many parts out there where you are buying a name and not
necessarily the product. In many cases the store brand products are just
as good and may be/are manufactured by the brand name maker for the chain.
That is not the case here, with the wires.

Time for this thread to end. Enough said.

Later,

David Cole

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Havens
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 7:55 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
>
>
>>
>>>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:04:50 -0800
>>>From: "Matt and Deidre"
>>>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
>>>
>>>You get what you pay for!
>>
>>
>>But it certainly doesn't sound like he got what he *asked* for, does it?
>>(Assuming the scenario described took place.)
>>People are so quick to blame the purchaser sometimes for picking shoddy
>>parts, but the fact is a lot of these el-cheapo parts these days come with
>>lifetime warranties to compensate for the cheapness, leading the stores to
>>push them as "the best" when in fact they may not be (and prob'ly aren't).
>>While in general I agree w/ the above sentiment, deals can be had on good
>>equip't and one can get unknowingly gouged on cheap sh**, so there are
>>exceptions to that rule as with any other.
>>
>>Ben
>>'94 Bronco w/ nifty blue Motorsport wires
>>
>>>- -----Original Message-----
>>>From: David Cole
>>>Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 3:53 AM
>>>
>>>>At 05:08 AM 12/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>>I worked at Pep Boys and we always had people coming in not wanting to
>>>spend
>>>>>money so they would opt for the cheap wires. Some came back
>complaining.
>>>>>They were given refunds. All I can say is if you are gonna be cheap;
>>>don't
>>>>>complain if they don't live up to your expectations. (You wouldn't buy
>a
>>>>>Neon and expect to out run a Z28)
>>>>
>>>>No, I wouldn't expect them to be perfect. I would expect them to at
>least
>>>>last a little while.
>>>>
>>>>Scenario:
>>>>
>>>>Due to work, it's a Sunday when you need to do a tune up. You go to Auto
>>>>Zone (or other chain). You tell them you need plug wire wires among
>other
>>>>things (everything for a complete tuneup). They ask if you want the 1 yr
>>>>warranty wires or the lifetime wires. You tell them to give you the best
>>>>wires they have, the lifetime warranty ones. You ask them if they are
>any
>>>>good, any customer complaints, etc. They say no, they are very good
>>wires.
>>>> You say ok, take home and install.
>>>>
>>>>>From the above scenario I expect this. While I don't believe for a
>>second
>>>>that these wires will last for a lifetime, I do expect that they will
>work
>>>>on the intended vehicle and that they will last longer than 4K miles!
>>>>
>>>>Later,
>>>>
>>>>David Cole
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:37:27 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flowmaster

Has anyone tried a flowmaster on there truck and did you see any gains?

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:52:06 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - bah humbug

Happy Hollidays to all my friends on FTE list!
Bart-AK

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:13:29 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Houston Shop

While I don't feel mechanical enough to do injectors, heads, cam, etc.....I
do feel I can use a multimeter well, and givin ways to use it, I feel I
could spot a bad sensor or something.

To James, I've heard good and bad about almost every dealer, seems more
good than bad about McRee!!!

This Truck may well be with me until death, because the thought of spending
30k plus just makes me ill !!!!

Anyone ever put more motor in their 150??? (mine registered in San Jac
county, no pollution test!)

Dave Harmier dharmier gte.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:19:34 -0800
From: "Craig Rubin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250

We are looking at purchasing a used 98 Explorer Ltd v8 which is loaded and
selling/trading our F250 for it.

The Explorer has 17k on it and the asking price is 23K. We would like your
feedback and comments including price on the Explorer.

The F250 is a s.c. with diesel, auto, a.c., tilt, cruise, speed control,
tow and cooling pkg with 119k on it. It is in very good to excellent
mechanical shape. The interior needs bench seat redone and new headliner.
The exterior is in fair to good shape with several rust spots but no rust
through. We would like your input on the value of the truck.

Thanks in advance,

Craig Rubin
crubin foxinternet.net


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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:49:23 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250

yout truck is worth about $3000 in my area, however in my dealings with them
bunch known as auto dealers youll be lucky you get near $1500 for it
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:30:27 -0800
From: "Craig Rubin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250

Thanks for your note.

Craig Rubin


- -----Original Message-----
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250


>yout truck is worth about $3000 in my area, however in my dealings with
them
>bunch known as auto dealers youll be lucky you get near $1500 for it
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:06:56 -0500 (EST)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Looking For

What little rice burner can do the following? Pull my four horse
trailer.
Everything loaded will weigh 7000
LBS roughly. My F150 5.0 does it
with ease. What rice burner can
hold a 4X8 sheet plywood? How
do the little four bangers hold up
against a Dodge Viper lol? Enough
said about American Muscle. If
Ford brought the Shelby Cobra
back the little wannabees would
be humiliated even more so. Dont
wake up the Giants.




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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:27:47 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing

Hi,
If you remember from my last message titled "dealers (dumb)??"
i mentioned "creeper geared for plowing"
Was wondering rxactly what it is? I of coarse know it is for snow
plowing but if you could let me know some more.
Scottie

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:10:36 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing

I was reading my "new" ('87) Ford F-350 manual the other day (yeah, I know
that reading the manual is for nerds), and Ford recommends using regular
1st and 2nd for snow plowing, not the low range or the creeper first. I
have usually used low range 3rd and 4th in the past with my Dodge, but I
guess that isn't good for the transmission or transfer case. Does anyone
have any thoughts on this?

Mike

At 02:27 PM 12/20/98 PST, you wrote:
>Hi,
> If you remember from my last message titled "dealers (dumb)??"
>i mentioned "creeper geared for plowing"
>Was wondering rxactly what it is? I of coarse know it is for snow
>plowing but if you could let me know some more.
> Scottie
>
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Mike Sloane, Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:46:01 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - creeper geared for plowing

yeah Friends dont let friends drive Dodges.. so i wouldnt plow at all with
a Dodge
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:28:02 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking For

Jerome,
Funny that you and another guy mentioned the re-creation of the
Cobra. The BEST, by far, American muscle car ever built and it has
EVERYTHING to do with power-to-weight ratio (someone else mentioned
that before too). It just so happens that Carroll Shelby is doing
exactly that, God Bless him! Shelby North America I think is the name
of the company. They recently released in limited production a new
model car that's not a Cobra, but you can tell it came from the same
maker. And man my memory fails me again and I can't remember the name
of it. But at a cost of $108,000 u.s. I don't think anyone on here
will be testing one out anytime soon. But in case you are interested
it does include a weekend in Las Vegas on the racetrack learning how
to drive it! Anyone by chance know of a possible web address?

Later,
Brew

Jerome Kelly wrote:
>
> What little rice burner can do the following? Pull my four horse
> trailer.
> Everything loaded will weigh 7000
> LBS roughly. My F150 5.0 does it
> with ease. What rice burner can
> hold a 4X8 sheet plywood? How
> do the little four bangers hold up
> against a Dodge Viper lol? Enough
> said about American Muscle. If
> Ford brought the Shelby Cobra
> back the little wannabees would
> be humiliated even more so. Dont
> wake up the Giants.
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:46:08 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

In a message dated 12/20/98 12:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
racrcole earthlink.net writes:


>>
AMEN BROTHER.

Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:49:38 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 98 Explorer and 85 F250

Sorry,
Without actually seeing the truck and being able to drive it, I cant honestly
give a value to it. You might try edmunds.com and go through their process to
evaluate the price. Its free!
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:51:05 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Cobra, was Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking For

Gang
I found a site for the new Cobra info. Just got there and haven't hit....


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