80-96-list-digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 421



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 80-86 bed
FTE 80-96 - hmm
Re: FTE 80-96 - hmm
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: Light Stumble
FTE 80-96 - Re:'95 4x4 frnt end
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: TPS & Plug Wires, was Cured: Light Stumble
FTE 80-96 - Dont compair Apples and oranges.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
FTE 80-96 - RE: Convex Mirror

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:06:22 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 80-86 bed

Hi y'all:

Just wanted to post the fact that I ran onto a bed for sale that fits an
'80-'86
Ford F series. They claim it's in good shape and not rusted
and want $700 to $750 for it. If anyone needs this info, I'll
dig out my trusty Penny Pincher shopper mag and send it to them.
Just e-mail me at

Mike
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 06:57:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - hmm

Just for my .02
I used to have a Saab 900 Turbo (before my ford)... Little sucker
put out better than 190HP from it's little 2L... VERY quick little
guy...

My big problem:
'84 F-150 I6, evry now and then again (like once a month) while
driving it feels like one or more cyclinders drop off line. I used to
work in a truck yard, and this feels very "jake brake-ish". You can
either accelerate or decelerate, there is no middle ground. Last time
it happened I just turned off the truck and restarted it and all was
fine again. This is a VERY strong braking effect. Could it possibly
be vacuum? Some little valve sticking somewhere that finally
opened/closed when I restarted? The other times I recall having to
let it sit overnight for the problem to stop. Haven't been able to
link with temp, moisture, hot/cold starts, or anything of that
nature... Help! Very scary!


Alex
'84 F150 I6





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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:24:05 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - hmm

Alex:
I have had the same "sensation" ...I6/5sp that occurs when the magic
"dual, but how much gas do we have" tanks are on the sucking air and gas
side...you hit the tank switch, pray, and then find somewhere to stop
switch the ignition off then restart. It has also happened when I
switched the batteries in one of them (I have a 88 and 89) and found
that I had a dead cell (that even sounded like a j-brake). Not
reassuring on those 185 mile one-way commutes!

GHester

Alex Wolfe wrote:
>
> Just for my .02
> I used to have a Saab 900 Turbo (before my ford)... Little sucker
> put out better than 190HP from it's little 2L... VERY quick little
> guy...
>
> My big problem:
> '84 F-150 I6, evry now and then again (like once a month) while
> driving it feels like one or more cyclinders drop off line. I used to
> work in a truck yard, and this feels very "jake brake-ish". You can
> either accelerate or decelerate, there is no middle ground. Last time
> it happened I just turned off the truck and restarted it and all was
> fine again. This is a VERY strong braking effect. Could it possibly
> be vacuum? Some little valve sticking somewhere that finally
> opened/closed when I restarted? The other times I recall having to
> let it sit overnight for the problem to stop. Haven't been able to
> link with temp, moisture, hot/cold starts, or anything of that
> nature... Help! Very scary!
>
> Alex
> '84 F150 I6
>
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> DO YOU YAHOO!?
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:13:14 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: Light Stumble

Neal Osburn wrote:
>
>
> I'm sorry you missed my original post. Maybe it would have saved you some
> frustration. Anyway, I'm not sure about the interference call. The one
> plug wire that I replaced was to the cylinder farthest from the throttle
> body (#8 I think). Anyway, I would bet it was just a bad wire. The common
> theme seems to be auto-zone wires. That's the kind I had. Besides, I
> think the TPS is just a variable resistor. If so, then they aren't usually
> very sensitive to interference.
>
THe TPS is a variable resistor. And there really shouldn't be much
interference at all. Certainly next to none in the TPS itself. Now, if
the wires running to the TPS run parrallel to one of the plug wires for
much distance, then you might get current introduced into the TPS
circuit. Not sure on Fords, but on some other cars, the TPS is fed with
a regulated voltage, then the return voltage is looked up in a table to
see what the position of the throttle is. Now, it would be possible to
feed any old voltage to the TPS, measure the return and do some math to
find out what the position is, but that's more compute intensive even
though it is more resistant to interference, since the actual voltage
doesn't matter, just the ratio of the voltages do.

But good plug wires do go a long way towards fixing all sorts of oddball
problems. Not only that, but if it's been a while since you changed
them, you might be surprised at how much more lively your truck is.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:01:40 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:'95 4x4 frnt end

Randy wrote:

Should both side's radius bushings have been replaced at the same time
even though the left side had very little wear? Or... any other ideas?
_

It is a very good possibility that the left side is softer now than the
right and is effecting steering geometry, but this is only theory. I always
replace things like that in pairs, balljoints (all 4), brake pads,shocks,
etc. and they usually are sold in sets and is good insurance and peace of
mind.

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:19:31 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: TPS & Plug Wires, was Cured: Light Stumble

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Roy [mailto:andre dns3.unipissing.ca]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 1998 10:13 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: Light Stumble

>... Not sure on Fords, but on some other cars, the TPS is fed with
>a regulated voltage...

Yes, you're correct. The regulated voltage used within the controller is
also the reference for converting the analog (voltage) signal to a digital
equivalent. The problem is that if your harness gets shorted out somewhere,
you don't want to take down the computer. For this reason, they use a
buffer regulator to supply the sensors. Unless a fault occurs, the supply
to the sensors is the same as the control system reference, so the resulting
converted signal is just ratiometric, i.e., a percentage of full scale (in
this case, WOT).

>But good plug wires do go a long way towards fixing all sorts of oddball
>problems. Not only that, but if it's been a while since you changed
>them, you might be surprised at how much more lively your truck is.

Now that's the truth! How many times have I gone through the carb and
ignition, just to find that it was the stupid wires! Probably the most
overlooked part in the system.

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:08:12 -0500 (EST)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dont compair Apples and oranges.

I like to talk about stock vehicles . People are modifying Briggs and
Strattons now lol. Puttin nitrious oxide on them. All that
struff in my drag days was considered modified production. The cranks,
heads
and such dont hold up long. I take pride in a stocker. All the
varibles need to be taken in consideration in a drag. For it to
be fair weight is a main factor. Have seen
VWs do 123mph in one eight mile, but not
practical for street. The rice burner dont
weigh as much as my Ford Fl50. It brings
me pleasure to have the power I need towing my horses. It can light the
tires up
with little effert. Not bad for a stocker 5.0and an old C6. Dont wake
the Giant.
Remember the 427 Shelby Cobra. Put modern electronics to the muscle and
you
are cooking rice burners.




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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:42:47 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

True, very true. I have the article and the mag with the neon that
super street redone. I said you cant go buy a neon and expect it to outrun
a new z28. Sure go and modify it and it might come close to a stock Z28. I
wont say it will or not. Do you have a Neon or an Eclipse? I have a Neon
and I've put numerous mods on it. I've done all but break into the engine.
I still get smoked by the new Z28's. I have not been beat by another neon
yet. I can smoke the Eclipse's with the dohc four cylinder. The 140 hp
one. I havent raced the 210 hp yet and I doubt I can beat it if I ever get
the chance. Like I said "Don't go buy a Neon and expect it to out run a
Z28". If you can send me an article of a stock neon beating a Z28, go
ahead!!! You wont find it. You wont find a Neon with bolt on parts beating
a Z28 either. (except nitrous) I dont even know why I'm argueing this
point with you considering I dont like chevy's! One thing you do have
right is the gas milage. On highways I get about 38 mpg.
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From: FLR150 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble


>OK. Matt I'll make you a deal. If I can find the mag I'll even buy you a
copy
>and mail it to you. It was Super Street magazine, cant remember what issue.
>But anyway, the article was concerning the Mitsubishi/ Dodge 4 cylinders
and
>the drag races they had (Diamond Star Nationals). The part I was concerned
>with was the sidebar article comparing a modified Z28 to a modified Eclipse
>and Neon. The guy with the Camaro spent almost 9k to get his car running
>consistent 11's. The two 4 bangers didn't even have that much in their cars
>together and were running that. My only point was to say that though I love
>American muscle, a professionally tuned 4 cylinder with ANY kind of power
>adder can smoke the boots of a V8 any day and still get 24-32 mpg. I will
try
>to find that article and mail you a copy of it. I go to the street races
every
>Friday and Saturday night. If you ever get to Atlanta, look me up. I'll
take
>you down there so you can see what the little NOPI cars do to the BIG BAD
>V8's.
>I didn't mean to start a war..just trying to make a point.
>Wayne Foy
>'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/auto/index.htm
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:59:25 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Convex Mirror

Started 1986 or 87. My 1985 does NOT have the convex mirror.


Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:34:24 -0700
From: "Dave Resch" >
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to
convex?
>From: Jim Cannon >
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat....


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