80-96-list-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 419



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
RE: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ??
FTE 80-96 - v-8 in rangers
Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses
RE: FTE 80-96 - work horses
FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
FTE 80-96 - gear reduced starters
FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?
Re: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex?
Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses
FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?
RE: FTE 80-96 - work horses
FTE 80-96 - Cruise control
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses
Re: FTE 80-96 - Cruise control
FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Filter Assemblies
FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion
Re: FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?
FTE 80-96 - Snow in time for Christmas
Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion
FTE 80-96 - dealers
FTE 80-96 - dealer(dumb??)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion
Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles
FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it ??
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Switch on '92 F 250
FTE 80-96 - haven't yet heard anything...fuel switch...
Re: FTE 80-96 - haven't yet heard anything...fuel switch...
Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses
Re: FTE 80-96 - dealers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:57:18 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses

Well, I'll say this. I go to different race tracks, both circle and drag, and
even if they drive Garbage Merchandise cars, they still pull it with a Ford.
Maybe its cause they want to make sure their truck can pull the trailer?
Hmmmm...the humility of having to arrive at a GM event pulling your car with a
Ford. I guess we'll never know that feeling huh guys?
Wayne Foy
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:17:47 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal

Andre Roy wrote:

> Get a knitting needle or something of about that size and strength, like

What is this ? Homemeck ?

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:31:52 -0500
From: Pete Serrino
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

I can second Dave's experience. I replaced the plug wires on my '85 302 4x4
with some Pep Boys stuff.
The truck would barely start (crank for 15 seconds) and run extremely
rough. I checked the resistence and the replacements were about 10K cold.
The old Ford wires were reading ~5K. I put the old wires back on and it
started and ran fine except when wet (the reason for changing in the first
place).
I suspect "cheap" wires would be OK if they checked out below 5k when cold.

Pete Serrino

At 07:28 PM 12/16/98 -0600, David Cole wrote:
>I switched the plug wires, making sure to keep them as far as possible from
>the tps. The problem was instantly cured! It had never occured to me that
>the plug wires might be bad. They only had about 4-5K miles on them and
>had a lifetime warranty.
>
>The moral: STAY AWAY from cheap chain store (Auto Zone ) plug wires.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:43:43 -0700
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ??

I've heard that you can, but it's a bit more expensive since they have to
pick out all the rocks. :) (Seriously)

Brian

> i have no idea..
> >
> > Shy,
> >
> > Can you sipe tires after they have been on your truck for a year?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: shy anne [SMTP:jme_shy yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:59 PM
> > > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ??
> > >
> > > they cut thin slices in your tires for better traction on wet
> roads.
> > > there are more channels for the water to go through..instead of
> > > getting between the tire and the road. You can't tell that your
> tires
> > > have been siped by looking unless you look really close. Discount
> > > Tire siped my tires and I've noticed that I seem to have better
> > > traction on wet roads. This is how I understand siping anyway.
> > > Shy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---Lamar Zabielski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What is siping? It sounds like making grooves for tire chains to
> fit
> > > in. How
> > > > old can a tire be? Does it work for cable?
> > > >
> > > > PS No way am I gonna change wheels to get my chains on.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > At 04:31 PM 12/9/98 -0700, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
> > > > >Discount tire here in Colorado wanted to sipe my tires last July.
> > > > >
> > > > >> I'm curious
> > > > >> what tire chain is offering the siping?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tom in Phoenix
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:13:02 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - v-8 in rangers

Anyone have a 351 in their ranger? What problems did you have? Also
anyone know of a place or person who can put a 4.6 cobra in my 90
ranger4x4? I've seen swaps for earlier mustangs but no trucks yet.
Thanks

Bryan

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:29:47 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses

I've been to a couple of horse auctions and noticed the exact same
thing. It's rare that I feel that my truck isn't quite big enough, but when
I see that I'm the only F-150 in the lot, it makes me really long for that
F-350 Dually. :)
And those new F-450's are awfully impressive!

I just felt the need to chime in...

- -Mike

- -----Original Message-----
From: shy anne
To: ford maillist
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:11 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - work horses


this is in response to the posts about ford trucks being used for
work. i go to rodeos and horse shows a lot. while standing at the
top of the bleachers and looking out into the parking lot i noticed
something.
while there were a few non-Fords hitched to the smaller trailers,
nearly all of the larger had a Ford attatched to it. I thought, "well
maybe it's just a coincidence." So, at the next show, in a different
town, I looked out on the parking lot again. Same thing. Now, every
show or rodeo I go to, I check out the parking lot. So far, the
results have all been the same...




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:59:32 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - work horses

Since we are on the subject I will share this story and it was one of the
main reasons I purchased a Ford truck.

My friend who sat beside me at work was shopping for a truck and was looking
at all makes and models. He had decided to purchase a GM truck because of
it's shorter length with an extended cab, it would fit in his garage. He was
talking to the GM salesman and told him he wanted the truck to pull a large
trailer. He asked the salesman if the 350 vortec has enough power to pull a
large trailer over the mountain passes here in Colorado and the salesman
took him aside and told him that if he was planning to pull anything that
large in the mountains that he should go buy a Ford because the GM truck
could not handle it. I'm not sure why the GM salesman told him that, maybe
it was because he was good friends with my buddy. I was convinced that if a
salesman who gets paid on commission would tell my friend to buy a Ford,
then it had to be true, and I soon found out it was true. My friend also
found out later his Ford truck fit in his garage. I guess my father was
right all those years of buying Ford trucks.

Scott

Shy Ann Wrote:
> this is in response to the posts about ford trucks being used for
> work. i go to rodeos and horse shows a lot. while standing at the
> top of the bleachers and looking out into the parking lot i noticed
> something.
> while there were a few non-Fords hitched to the smaller trailers,
> nearly all of the larger had a Ford attatched to it. I thought, "well
> maybe it's just a coincidence." So, at the next show, in a different
> town, I looked out on the parking lot again. Same thing. Now, every
> show or rodeo I go to, I check out the parking lot. So far, the
> results have all been the same...
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:17:16 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

I would be willing to bet that the problem was the fact the wires were too
close to the TPS rather than being bad. The electrical interference from
ignition wires is phenomenal and the TPS is a sensitive control. The
difference between 3k and 10k will have little effect on the electrical
interference emitted and 10k will probably be less. How the ignition lights
the fire may be another issue and I have no problem with the better wires
for this. Your persistent pursuit may have identified a subtle problem
that others are experiencing and, maybe, putting up with. I would suggest
moving the wires first. Get them as far away from other wiring as possible.

Larry




>Original Post

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:28:21 -0600
From: David Cole >
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

Hello all,

I couple of weeks ago I posted a rather long post about a light throttle
stumble on my 92 F-150 w 5.0/AOD. It had a stumble when under light
throttle/increasing load conditions, such as giving just enough gas to
maintain cruising speed while going up hill. If I gave it more throttle,
enough to make it downshift, the problem instantly went away.

>Extensive troubleshooting clipped.

The shop operator was able to find an obscure record of a similar problem
in his diagnostic computer system (Mitchell?). It said that bad plug wires
that are crossed close to the tps (within 3" on my truck) were creating
enough interference that it was confusing the tps at a certain angle. When
the tps got confused, the computer switched to closed loop operation and
ran a pre-set fuel/spark setting just like when the truck was operated
cold. (Problem was not present until truck was warmed up). The stumble was
caused by the rapid switching back and forth from open to closed loop
operation.

I switched the plug wires, making sure to keep them as far as possible from
the tps. The problem was instantly cured! It had never occured to me that
the plug wires might be bad. They only had about 4-5K miles on them and
had a lifetime warranty.

The moral: STAY AWAY from cheap chain store (Auto Zone ) plug wires. I
ended up spending over $250 tracking down a problem caused by their $30
plug wires! When I checked them with an ohm meter, prior to returning
them, they checked at over 10K ohms cold. No telling what the resistance
went to when they got hot. The new wires (Belden, from NAPA, $50) checked
at
when hot are trash. They might run ok on points/carb applications, but on
efi they cause problems.

Anyway, several people on the list had this problem, so maybe this might be
a solution to yours.

Any comments are welcome.

Later,

David Cole

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:06:13 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gear reduced starters

I called our local Auto Electric rebuild shop (Delco) and got some info:
for a '94 F150 4x4 5.0L Bosch starter p/n SR7571X $149.53 w/$60 core.
Delco starter p/n 373508 $241.49 w/$50 core.
The guy said less returns on Delco (sales pitch? can't say) but it wouldn't
suprise me. the neat thing about a shop like this is they do all the work
"in-house". I you have a problem with something you buy there warranty is
easy, you can talk face to face with guys that "know" auto electrical
components.
Does this help anyone? feedback please.
Bart-AK

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:27:40 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?

doing some x-mas shopping.

does ALDATA software get technical? or is it like the multi vehical
books, that covers a decade or more, and the info is mostly general tech
info?

ho ho ho

seacruiser mike

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:34:24 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex?

>From: Jim Cannon
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex?
>
>I have been wanting to replace this original flat mirror
>with a curved one like they put on later models. I plan
>to just replace the entire mirror unit (bracket, mirror
>head, etc.) What year did this convex mirror first come
>out? '84? '85?

Yo Jim:

I assume you're referring to the "bright low mount swing-away mirrors" as
Ford refers to them (the ones w/ the triangular bent flat metal brackets
that mount below the windows on the doors) and not the later, more car-like
mirror design w/ remote control adjustments.

The original "low mount" mirrors used on '80-'81 trucks are the same style
introduced in '77 or '78. The convex mirrors came out in 1982, when they
changed the other trim details (fender badges, etc.) on F trucks and
Broncos. That mirror design continued through '96 on F150s and through the
'97 model year on F250HDs and F350s.

To get the convex glass, all you need to change is the mirror head unit
itself; the brackets, mounts, etc. are the same. If you change the pass.
side, you'll also need to change the driver's side if you want them to
match. The later style mirror heads are a different shape and size, more
rounded and a little smaller than the older style.

BTW: The cheap aftermarket pieces are approximations of the shape of the
OEM Ford mirrors. The original Ford mirror head bodies are actually
different symmetric shapes for right and left sides.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:26:14 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses

I have an F-150 too. I agree, that F-350 dually/diesel/4-door would
be nice...




- ---"Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." wrote:
>
> I've been to a couple of horse auctions and noticed the exact same
> thing. It's rare that I feel that my truck isn't quite big enough,
but when
> I see that I'm the only F-150 in the lot, it makes me really long
for that
> F-350 Dually. :)
> And those new F-450's are awfully impressive!
>
> I just felt the need to chime in...
>
> -Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shy anne
> To: ford maillist
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:11 AM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - work horses
>
>
> this is in response to the posts about ford trucks being used for
> work. i go to rodeos and horse shows a lot. while standing at the
> top of the bleachers and looking out into the parking lot i noticed
> something.
> while there were a few non-Fords hitched to the smaller trailers,
> nearly all of the larger had a Ford attatched to it. I thought, "well
> maybe it's just a coincidence." So, at the next show, in a different
> town, I looked out on the parking lot again. Same thing. Now, every
> show or rodeo I go to, I check out the parking lot. So far, the
> results have all been the same...
>
>
>
>
> ==
> -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses."
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:34:38 -0500
From: Ben Havens
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

Long story, but appreciate the info. I have not had this sort of problem on
my truck, but there was some good advice in there for everyone.

Ben



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:55:26 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?

>From my experience with ALLDATA, they have a basic breakdown of all the
component systems. It takes some mechanical knowledge of parts and schematics
breakdown, but all in all the software is very good and thorough.
Hope this helps,
Wayne Foy
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:57:07 -0600
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - work horses

Until you have to park it :-)

I have an F-250 ext. cab longbed and it can be a real pain to park.
Adding another foot or so onto it and making it wider would mean a lot
more walking in from remote areas of the parking lot...

- -----Original Message-----
From: shy anne [mailto:jme_shy yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 1:26 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses


I have an F-150 too. I agree, that F-350 dually/diesel/4-door would
be nice...




- ---"Michael J. Pasznik, Jr." wrote:
>
> I've been to a couple of horse auctions and noticed the exact same
> thing. It's rare that I feel that my truck isn't quite big enough,
but when
> I see that I'm the only F-150 in the lot, it makes me really long
for that
> F-350 Dually. :)
> And those new F-450's are awfully impressive!
>
> I just felt the need to chime in...
>
> -Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shy anne
> To: ford maillist
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 3:11 AM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - work horses
>
>
> this is in response to the posts about ford trucks being used for
> work. i go to rodeos and horse shows a lot. while standing at the
> top of the bleachers and looking out into the parking lot i noticed
> something.
> while there were a few non-Fords hitched to the smaller trailers,
> nearly all of the larger had a Ford attatched to it. I thought, "well
> maybe it's just a coincidence." So, at the next show, in a different
> town, I looked out on the parking lot again. Same thing. Now, every
> show or rodeo I go to, I check out the parking lot. So far, the
> results have all been the same...
>
>
>
>
> ==
> -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses."
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:27:29 -0800
From: Dana Bartholomew
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cruise control

OK guys, another quick question. F350 crew cab, 460ci, auto, my cruise
control is not working. I removed the horn pad from the steering wheel
and believe I've found the problem. There are five wires coming from
the horn pad into a 3-pin plug going into the steering column. One of
these wires has pulled loose. As I mentioned there are five wires but
only three pins. There are two black wires which are tied together on
a single pin, and two blue w/ black stripes, one of which is the loose
one. It appears that these too are tied together on one pin but I'd
like verification on this before I go through the trouble of splicing
it together. If anyone knows or if someone can look I'd really
appreciate it. I've already called the local dealerships but no one
has a horn pad in stock to look at.

Oh yeah, one more thing, I need a cargo lamp, the previous owner had a
camper shell on it and removed the light. The dealer wants $57 for
one. Anyone know of a cheaper source?

Thanks,

Dana B
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:30:26 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble

I think that the electrical interference is the problem also. The high
resistance is just proof of cheap wire. I mean, if the resistance is on the
high said it shows that they are more than likely cheap/defective enough to
emit more interence than normal.

I tried moving them, but in my application they were already within 3" of
the tps and the wires were only long enough (cyls 1&2) to be moved up to 5"
away. Moving them only an additional 2" didn't help.

I'm just glad the thing is fixed and you can be sure that I will stay away
from chain store brand parts in the future.

Later,

David Cole


>I would be willing to bet that the problem was the fact the wires were too
>close to the TPS rather than being bad. The electrical interference from
>ignition wires is phenomenal and the TPS is a sensitive control. The
>difference between 3k and 10k will have little effect on the electrical
>interference emitted and 10k will probably be less. How the ignition lights
>the fire may be another issue and I have no problem with the better wires
>for this. Your persistent pursuit may have identified a subtle problem
>that others are experiencing and, maybe, putting up with. I would suggest
>moving the wires first. Get them as far away from other wiring as possible.
>
>Larry


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:24:42 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses

well all you gotta do is look around in NYC rush hour traffic
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:39:44 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cruise control

yeah a cheaper source is a local junkyard those go for about ten bucks
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:04:03 -0700
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Filter Assemblies

Okay guys,

i posted something a couple of days ago about an alternative to the K&N
system. Here is the information I came up with regarding Vortox Co.
They are located in Claremont California (909) 621-3843.
Now I do not know if they will sell to end-users but it won't hurt to try,
and yes they do have after-market air filter housings/assemblies for Ford
Trucks and probably even for carburated ones too.
I also have a reliable source who is one of our own Warehouse Distributors
and he stocks most of the Vortox line. I am not here to profit from any of
this so no accusations please. My friend's name is Joe Anderson of Tom
Gorman Co (800) 222-8408 in Tulsa OK, just tell him you got his name from me
and we are on the FTE list. He has been warned. As anyone who calls him will
learn Joe is "good people", his word is as good as gold. His price should be
competitive, but that I cannot guarantee.

Good luck to all, and happy holidays

Fred Moreno
El Paso TX
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:46:01 EST
From: Genlee97 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion

What were those websites for all the newest for info? I accidentally erased
them Thank You
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:48:30 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - is ALDATA any good?

PmctBaker wrote:
>
> doing some x-mas shopping.
>
> does ALDATA software get technical? or is it like the multi vehical
> books, that covers a decade or more, and the info is mostly general tech
> info?
>
The one I've seen (For a Pontiyuck Sunsomething) I pretty much like a
factory service manual. All sorts of information, and you get it for the
year you specify. Actually, for that pontietc, it covers, I believe, all
of the generals' J-Cars, lice a service manual.

One thing we did notice, the print cations on some of the drawingas are
pretty hard/impossible to read. I happen to be on a mailing list with
someone from alldata, and I had him decipher what it said on that
particular image (It was actually a torque spec, and we couldn't figure
out if it was 30, 80 infinity times ten or b0 ft-lbs) He says they
appear very nice on a Sun workstationwith a 29" screen. On our Compaqs
at work, well, we couldn't read them.

> ho ho ho
>
Gotta get started on my Chrismas shopping Real Soon Now. At least now
there's snow on the ground, only a couple of centimeters, but still
snow.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:17:11 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Snow in time for Christmas

>> ho ho ho
>>
>Gotta get started on my Chrismas shopping Real Soon Now. At least now
>there's snow on the ground, only a couple of centimeters, but still
>snow.
>
>--
>Andre, Somewhere ...



Gosh .... look at that .... 1 week to go
Does Santa start his trip up there ( North Bay ) or is that where he
finishes up. That might get you a few extra minutes :o)

We just got a dusting of snow, but it reminds me to get that extension cord
out for the block heater.
I shoulda put a remote starter on my Christmas list .....

Matt

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:28:32 -0600
From: "Christopher Ferino"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles

> Nice try Scott. I tried to go to that site via AOL and no go. I have the
> Internet Explorer 3.0 also and no go. Can you tell us any other way to get
> there?
> Wayne Foy
> '94 F150 aol.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm

Wayne -

I was able to get there, but you have to string the URL together and include
all three lines' worth.

'course, now that I've been there, I bookmarked the site so I don't have to
type it all in again. :)

- --Chris

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:38:03 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion

Maybe not the newest.... but...

for a picture.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thecarconnection.com/Cc_spy18.htm

for some information on it's SuperDuty heritage.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.blueovalnews.com/index.html/ford_excursion.htm

For some spy stuff from way back when... (page 3)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motortrend.com/june97/tt/tt_f.html


Genlee97 aol.com wrote:

> What were those websites for all the newest for info? I accidentally erased
> them Thank You
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:08 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - dealers

Hi, I think my grandfather has made his final decision on a F-150.
New news thow!! My dad was reading the classafieds this morning, the
ad is something like this:
Ford F-150 89
4x4 Charcoal,V8,4spd,p/s,p/b,a/c,am/fm
ster/cass,creeper geared for plowing,
extra clean. $4,995
- --------------------------------
Well my dad passed it on the way to work and from that minute on he
said"I have to get that" He called the dealership three times from
work!! He found out that it had 102 miles, and it was a good truck.
When he got home we went and took it for a drive, it was amazing!! My
dad is used to his truck (150,4x2,nedds clutch), when he drove this he
said, "i have to fix my clutch" it was toldly different then his, it was
so clean and in excellant condition. Only problem with it was that we
could smell anti-freeze. We went back to the dealer and we told him how
nice it was and everything, and then he asked the evil question, "how
many miles are on your truck Mr. Schmidt?"
The bad part is that it has 133,000 miles, and needs a clutch. Of
coarse he used the clutch problem big time on us. He said he would have
to sell it whole sale and could only give us $1,600!! The book value is
atleast $3,500 (Kelly's price anyway). After the guy trying to convince
him to get it we decided it was time for us to go. Not a good time to
get a new truck.
My dad keeps coming back into my room saying how nice the truck is,
and all the possibilities. He will and up getting that truck some how
or another. Have to get his truck fixed up and sell it in the
newspaper. Am i crazy or is the dealer asking a way to low price for my
father's truck????
Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:26 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - dealer(dumb??)

Hi, I think my grandfather has made his final decision on a F-150.
New news thow!! My dad was reading the classafieds this morning, the
ad is something like this:
Ford F-150 89
4x4 Charcoal,V8,4spd,p/s,p/b,a/c,am/fm
ster/cass,creeper geared for plowing,
extra clean. $4,995
- --------------------------------
Well my dad passed it on the way to work and from that minute on he
said"I have to get that" He called the dealership three times from
work!! He found out that it had 102 miles, and it was a good truck.
When he got home we went and took it for a drive, it was amazing!! My
dad is used to his truck (150,4x2,nedds clutch), when he drove this he
said, "i have to fix my clutch" it was toldly different then his, it was
so clean and in excellant condition. Only problem with it was that we
could smell anti-freeze. We went back to the dealer and we told him how
nice it was and everything, and then he asked the evil question, "how
many miles are on your truck Mr. Schmidt?"
The bad part is that it has 133,000 miles, and needs a clutch. Of
coarse he used the clutch problem big time on us. He said he would have
to sell it whole sale and could only give us $1,600!! The book value is
atleast $3,500 (Kelly's price anyway). After the guy trying to convince
him to get it we decided it was time for us to go. Not a good time to
get a new truck.
My dad keeps coming back into my room saying how nice the truck is,
and all the possibilities. He will and up getting that truck some how
or another. Have to get his truck fixed up and sell it in the
newspaper. Am i crazy or is the dealer asking a way to low price for my
father's truck????
Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:17:07 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles

I was finally able to get there. I had to go into I.E. 3.0 and bypass AOHELL's
browser. Its a really cool site for all of you who haven't looked at it yet.
The whole address is: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.designtech-
intl.com:591/designtech/html/FMPro?-db=dti.FP3&-lay=Layout%20%231&-format=sear
ch.htm&-view
WHEW!!! That's a mouthful, or a hand full if you don't have point and speak.
Oh Chris, I have a question for ya...What is the stock Horsepower rating of
the BONESTOCK Lightning? Just trying to compare what I have done to Factory
Horsepower.
Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:28:48 EST
From: Genlee97 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford vs. Expedition and Excursion

thanks
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:56:19 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cab Wiring Information for all Vehicles

duh...I finally understood (and remember if you use AOL with IE it MUST
have the http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// to start...

here is the ENTIRE address:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.designtech-intl.com:591/designtech/html/FMPro?-db=dti.FP3&-lay=Layout%20%231&-format=search.htm&-view

G Hester

Christopher Ferino wrote:
>
> > Nice try Scott. I tried to go to that site via AOL and no go. I have the
> > Internet Explorer 3.0 also and no go. Can you tell us any other way to get
> > there?
> > Wayne Foy
> > '94 F150 aol.com
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm
>
> Wayne -
>
> I was able to get there, but you have to string the URL together and include
> all three lines' worth.
>
> 'course, now that I've been there, I bookmarked the site so I don't have to
> type it all in again. :)
>
> --Chris
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.designtech-intl.com:591/designtech/html/FMPro?-db=dti.FP3&-lay=L
> ayout%20%231&-format=search.htm&-view
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:25:22 -0600
From: Joe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it ??

im re-posting this because i lost all my e-mail for thursday which would
have included any responses to the original post ,, sorry ,,

I have a 95 F-150 Extra Cab Short bed, V-8 302
I noticed that in the gap between the back of the cab and the front of
the bed,, there is what appears to be a steel plate bolted to the back
of the cab ,,
It looks to be about 5 inches tall maybe a foot wide ,, its a pretty
thick piece of whatever it is ,, Its held on with 4 bolts,
anyone know what this is or what its for ? ,,



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:17:48 -0800
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Switch on '92 F 250

believe it or not that plate just snaps on and off just pry off the panel
with a flathead screwdriver
evan
- -----Original Message-----
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 10:49 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Switch on '92 F 250


>Hey guys, I've got a problem..I have a '92 F 250 and it has dual tanks..my
>switch that you use to switch from front tank to rear tank (or vice versa)
is
>coming loose and is starting to fall behind the dash...its getting to be a
>real pain in the butt to switch tanks now...have y'all had any problems
with
>this? What is the easiest way to get the dash panel off? It seems like no
>biggie except for the head light switch is restricting it from coming
>off...how do you take off the headlight switch? Do you need a special
tool?
>
>Thanks in advance guys!
>C. Greene
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:05:34 EST
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - haven't yet heard anything...fuel switch...

Hey guys...here is my original message...I haven't heard anything..please help
me out guys! Thanks!

Hey guys, I've got a problem..I have a '92 F 250 and it has dual tanks..my
switch that you use to switch from front tank to rear tank (or vice versa) is
coming loose and is starting to fall behind the dash...its getting to be a
real pain in the butt to switch tanks now...have y'all had any problems with
this? What is the easiest way to get the dash panel off? It seems like no
biggie except for the head light switch is restricting it from coming
off...how do you take off the headlight switch? Do you need a special tool?

Thanks in advance guys!
C. Greene
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:43:07 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - haven't yet heard anything...fuel switch...

C.G.,
Sorry, missed your first post or would have responded. Look to see if
there is a small set screw on the bottom of the plastic part of the
knob holding it to the small bar. If so, find the allen key for it
and loosen it. If not, you'll have to get an answer from someone
else, cuz I don't know for sure.

Later,
Brew

CRGREENE1 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys...here is my original message...I haven't heard anything..please help
> me out guys! Thanks!
>
> Hey guys, I've got a problem..I have a '92 F 250 and it has dual tanks..my
> switch that you use to switch from front tank to rear tank (or vice versa) is
> coming loose and is starting to fall behind the dash...its getting to be a
> real pain in the butt to switch tanks now...have y'all had any problems with
> this? What is the easiest way to get the dash panel off? It seems like no
> biggie except for the head light switch is restricting it from coming
> off...how do you take off the headlight switch? Do you need a special tool?
>
> Thanks in advance guys!
> C. Greene
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:49:32 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses

Ron, (below)

Ron Madurski wrote:
>
> Until you have to park it :-)
>
> I have an F-250 ext. cab longbed and it can be a real pain to park.
> Adding another foot or so onto it and making it wider would mean a lot
> more walking in from remote areas of the parking lot...
>

Yeah, but parking in the remote area gives you all kinds of time to
admire it on the walk back...and gives all those GM guys something to
drool over as they drive by... :)

Later,
Brew

btw, having been to horse shows myself, I see the same thing Shy has
noticed.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:07:27 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - dealers

Scottie,
I have dealt with dealers who will tell you anything regarding your rig as a
trade-in. Heck, I even call a few of these guys friends. Please remember,
their job is to make the money, the lower the trade value on your dad's rig,
the more money in his pocket. It's it job to go that. I think you are
probably not going to get the Kelly Blue Book price, but figure out what you
think is fair and stand your ground. Once you know what you want for your
rig, figure out what you want to pay for the other one. I'm sure you'll only
end up a couple of hundred dollars off from the salesman's offer. If you are
not, it's time to play his game. Is the truck in 'perfect' condition? Go
over it well, anything you find wrong, bring it to the attention of the
salesman, put him in a position to bargain. The only reason they won't
usually is if the rig you're trying to get is consigned.

My .02,

Bob


Scottie Schmidt wrote:

> Am i crazy or is the dealer asking a way to low price for my
> father's truck????
> Scottie Schmidt
>
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