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80-96-list-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 418 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 80-96 - Converter stall speed Re: FTE 80-96 - Like a rock (ha!) FTE 80-96 - Plastic Adhesive FTE 80-96 - Snowplowing (was Re: - Thank You Re: FTE 80-96 - Converter stall speed Re: FTE 80-96 - Like a rock (ha!) FTE 80-96 - No More Fords FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? FTE 80-96 - Heater Control Needed Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control Needed FTE 80-96 - Finding Heater Controls FTE 80-96 - marine carb Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade FTE 80-96 - Heater Controls FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab RE: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Cleaners FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more... RE: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex? Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? FTE 80-96 - Re: Won't Start FTE 80-96 - Marine starters Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - Stupid Question Time... FTE 80-96 - Re: What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex? Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab FTE 80-96 - Fuel Switch on '92 F 250 FTE 80-96 - gas tanks Re: FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Cleaners FTE 80-96 - work horses RE: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ?? Re: FTE 80-96 - work horses ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:09:20 EST From: FLR150 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Converter stall speed I believe that the stock stall is around 1500 if I remember correctly. I have yet to put it on the dyno (ON SATURDAY Dave=P) so that should give me a little more info to work with. I have been dumfounded by the way most shops are telling me to figure out what stall I need. I have been told all the way up to 3500. I told the guy he was outta his tree and needed to go back to ASE school. I don't have near enough ponies YET to push a 3500 stall convertor. But in the mean time I will continue my search. Thanks for help, Wayne Foy '94 F150 Flareside Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:19:46 EST From: FLR150 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Like a rock (ha!) Here's a good little story for ya One day I was coming home from work and this little punk in a Garbage Merchandise full size LOWRIDER decides he's gonna try to pick a race with me. LMAO, I told him to go on the green. Well, needless to say I ripped him off the line and he was playing catchup the whole way. A car pulled into his lane and he had to come in behind me. Well, on the roads here in ATLANTA they put these HUGE metal plates on the road if they have done any road work where they need to leave a hole but have to open the road. These metal plates can stick up off the surface anywhere for 1" to 5" depending on where they put it. Well, to make a long story short, he was on my backside pretty close. When I jerked the wheel to miss this plate, he didn't have enough time to see it. I'll provide you with the mental pic, Picture the movie American Graffiti and the cop car scene when they chained his rearend to the pole. That guy hit that plate so hard it snatched the rear diff completely out from under his truck. The only reason it didn't flip him is because he hit the gas when he saw me swerve thinking he was going to be able to pass me. Moral of the story is: You can't beat a Ford....something ALWAYS gets in your way! Wayne Foy '94 F150 Flareside Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:54 -0500 From: Pete Serrino Subject: FTE 80-96 - Plastic Adhesive At 09:17 AM 12/15/98 -0500, AeroPics aol.com wrote: >>a 2 part adhesive at >>NAPA that will bond the plastic fitting. Prior to this I had never >>successfully bonded these thermoplastics (Delrin??) >Pete, > >Could you share the name of this adhesive with the rest of the list? > >Ron Slabach The adhesive is labeled: NAPA/VersaChem Plastic Welding System. Part # 765-2420. No heat involved but it emits a strong odor and probably best used outdoors. Pete Serino == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:30:44 -0500 From: Mike Sloane Subject: FTE 80-96 - Snowplowing (was Re: - Thank You I have been plowing snow on parking lots, public roads and my own 2 mile private road for the last 35 years and have never damaged the plowing vehicle. I have used little Jeeps, 4WD trucks and farm tractors. The problem with snowplow damage is almost never the equipment, but the operator. Check out the Western page at for some excellent tips. The main points I would emphasize are: Know the area you are working in. Hitting obstructions like curbs can not only damage equipment but injure the occupants of the vehicle. Plan your attack; don't just go blasting away at the white stuff. Don't go too fast. Use high range 1st or 2nd gear. "Haste makes waste" is very true for snow removal. You may save 5 minutes of plowing by using 3rd gear, but waste a day getting a clutch replaced or the frame welded. Don't ride the clutch when the the vehicle starts to bog down and easy on the gears when changing directions. If the truck starts to stall, either depress the clutch or let it stall, back off, and start again. Check out your rig and the plow completely BEFORE the storm to make sure everything is in perfect condition - if anything is marginal, the stress of plowing will finish it off at the worst possible time and in the worst place. Place containers of hydraulic fluid and engine oil in the cab (to keep it warm) so that you can top fluid levels off. I usually keep a couple of gallons of fuel in the bed in case I get low, but that may be illegal in some areas. (Don't forget to bring your wallet and gas card - refuel the vehicle before you are done for the day/night). Take a coffee/snack and bio break every 4 hours or so, even if it is only 15 minutes. And don't stay on the job for more than 8-10 hours; plowing requires your constant attention and can wear you out before you know it. Even an hour's nap can help recharge your body's batteries, especially if you are working at night or in a storm. The hour you lose will be paid back in alertness and efficiency. If you are working in public areas, watch out for kids sledding and people shoveling or digging out stuck cars. Mike Evan & Teresa wrote: > IMHO putting a snow plow on an f-150 is crazy i have seen what a plow did to > an f-superduty/f-450 and it was not a pretty site > evan > -----Original Message----- > From: Scottie Schmidt > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 1:54 PM > Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thank You > - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:16:00 -0500 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Converter stall speed FLR150 aol.com wrote: > > I believe that the stock stall is around 1500 if I remember correctly. I have > yet to put it on the dyno (ON SATURDAY Dave=P) so that should give me a little > more info to work with. I have been dumfounded by the way most shops are > telling me to figure out what stall I need. I have been told all the way up to > 3500. I told the guy he was outta his tree and needed to go back to ASE > school. I don't have near enough ponies YET to push a 3500 stall convertor. > But in the mean time I will continue my search. > Thanks for help, > Wayne Foy > '94 F150 Flareside Supercab > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html I think the Lightnings are 1900 or something real close to that! It really needs to be about 2300 but I guess for the sake of around town driving the sset it a lower speed. Thought this may give a starting point...I would think yours would be around 1500rpms or so! Chris 94 lightning #381 NLOC#238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:13:07 -0600 (EST) From: Robert Fox Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Like a rock (ha!) Hahahahahahahahaha! Good one. :) Robert Fox fox ford ranger.  com www.ford ranger. com On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Andre Roy wrote: > > It went though the hood. It went through the carb. It went through the > cam and finally settled in the now very bent crankshaft. The truck got > towed back to the shop. Shop forman took one look at it. "!^&*^%#$ > chevvies, just can't take it." > -- > Andre == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:46:13 -0600 From: "Harold Day" Subject: FTE 80-96 - No More Fords Reading those "Like a rock" Post's reminded of a friends story about his Ford trucks. He lives in a high crime area and has been a Ford truck faithful for as most of his life. He went out one morning to find his 4x4 F150 stolen... replaced it with another 4x4 F150, and around a year later it too was swiped. Thinking it was the 4x4 option, the next one was a 4x2 F150. 6 months later it was gone as well. Next he tried an Explorer, it too was stolen. During this time he had added a home security system, motion lights, the club, an auto alarm, a large wrought iron fence, and just about everything else he could think of. His final solution to the truck theft problem, he replaced the Ford's with a Dodge. He's had the current truck for over 2 years. His dad had borrowed the truck and left it in front of the house, with the keys in it, and it didn't get stolen. Still got it. Moral, If he want's to keep a truck, no more Fords, or a new place to live! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:54:25 -0600 From: Joe Subject: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? I have a 95 F-150 Extra Cab Short bed, V-8 302 I noticed that in the gap between the back of the cab and the front of the bed,, there is what appears to be a steel plate bolted to the back of the cab ,, It looks to be abut 5 inches tall maybe a foot wide ,, its a pretty thick piece of whatever it is ,, Its held on with 4 bolts, anyone know what this is or what its for ? ,, == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:07:53 -0500 From: Paul Schmidt Subject: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control Needed I need a heater control unit for a 1980 F150 with A/C but without Aux Fuel. I have been told that this unit was used in 1980-1982 Trucks and Broncos. If anyone is parting out one of these vehicles or knows where I can get the heater control unit, please e-mail me. Thanks, Paul Schmidt paul.schmidt ocas.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:34:50 -0600 From: "Rick Wojciechowski" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Heater Control Needed Paul Schmidt wrote: > I need a heater control unit for a 1980 F150 with A/C but without Aux > Fuel. I have been told that this unit > was used in 1980-1982 Trucks and Broncos. If anyone is parting out one > of these vehicles or knows where I can > get the heater control unit, please e-mail me. Paul, When I was at a boneyard get a few parts off a '85 pickup for my '83 Bronco, as I recall the units were the same. As for the auxillary fuel, broncos don't have extra tanks, we just have to make sure there is a gas pump within a reasonable radius. :-) So you should be able to find one off a bronco. IMHO. - -- Thanks, Rick Wojo '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains '92 Mstng 5.0L '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:54:21 -0600 From: "Rick Wojciechowski" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Finding Heater Controls Also ment to add that I also got the plastic part face off a lower 80's pickup. The part that covers over the radio, heater controls and screws in with a couple screws at the top and has the tabs at the bottom that go in just above the ashtray, and has the word " Custom " on it. That also leads me to believe you can get the heater controls from a bronco. - -- Thanks, Rick Wojo '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains '92 Mstng 5.0L '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:45:34 -0500 From: "PmctBaker" Subject: FTE 80-96 - marine carb i e-mailed the carb list number and VIN to the tech guys at Holley, and that is what he said. marine. Ford OEM 1985 351 C-6 marine carb. and believe me trying to find one of these is proving to be a bitch. and so far no one can say why. my personal guess is the EPA wanted lower emissions and Holley had a carb that would hook up to the canisters and pressurized fuel system, EGR, etc. so far ive learned that a marine carb is supposed to keep gas fumes from escaping into the engine compartment of boats. supposed to cut down on blowing yourself up. still stumped mike p. 1985 351 F-150 Seacruiser == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:45:12 -0500 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade Rick Wojciechowski wrote: > > Gang, > I was wondering from those of you that have an I-6, > how difficult it was to update your ignition system. > What brand did you upgrade too, what you all you > had to swap out out and what were all the costs. > As well, are you happy you did it. > So? What were the results? Since I doubt any of my ignition has been changed in the 10+ years my FIL owned my truck before me, I suspect mine just might be due for a change. - -- Andre, Somewhere ... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:22:30 -0600 From: "Rick Wojciechowski" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade Andre Roy wrote: > So? What were the results? Since I doubt any of my ignition has been > changed in the 10+ years my FIL owned my truck before me, I suspect mine > just might be due for a change. No responses means I have no answers. :-( - -- Thanks, Rick Wojo '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains '92 Mstng 5.0L '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:11:50 -0500 From: Paul Schmidt Subject: FTE 80-96 - Heater Controls Yes, I am sure that I can use the unit from a Bronco. The salvage yard I went to yesterday looked it up for me.Now I just need to find a salvage yard or person who is parting out a 1980-82 Ford Truck or Bronco. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:22:10 -0800 From: Dana Bartholomew Subject: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Hi everyone, I used to belong to the old ford list but I just picked up a '93 F350 crew cab 4x4 with 4" superlift and 37" tires and I have a problem I need help with. From idle there is a pronounced shutter from the rear end. I believe it to be either axle wrap or pinion angle. The former being more likely in my mind. It only does it right at take off, once moving, even slightly, you can hit it hard and it's nice and smooth. My questions are these, had anyone had experience with this, what was the cause and what is the solution? Does anyone make a torque arm kit for this truck? One other thing, when sitting at a stoplight with my foot on the brake the pedal will move toward the floor if I apply more pressure than needed to hold the truck stationary. It will continue until it bottoms out. The brakes do not feel mushy nor do they need to be pumped up like there was air in the lines. I do believe it has ABS. I've only had it an hour so I'm just getting to know it. I'm sure I'll have more later and any info you can provide is greatly appreciated. Dana Bartholomew == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:48:10 -0600 From: "Rick Wojciechowski" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Dana Bartholomew wrote: > Hi everyone, I used to belong to the old ford list but I just picked up > a '93 F350 crew cab 4x4 with 4" superlift and 37" tires and I have a > problem I need help with. From idle there is a pronounced shutter from > the rear end. I believe it to be either axle wrap or pinion angle. The > former being more likely in my mind. It only does it right at take off, > once moving, even slightly, you can hit it hard and it's nice and > smooth. One other thing that can cause the shutter or the slight churpybounce effect is a bad clutch. But seeing is you have a lift I would go with th axle wrap. - -- Thanks, Rick Wojo '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains '92 Mstng 5.0L '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:43:18 -0600 From: "Baldwin, Dave" Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Dana, I had a Ranger 4X4 that did this and more and it was the U-joints. The 4X4 sits higher and the prop-shaft angles are more severe. Mine felt like someone was bouncing the back of the truck on acceleration. Like you say, it was smoother when moving, but mine were really stiff, and I could feel it even when accelerating hard at low speed. Pinion angle could be wrong, too. The brake thing, I can't help on. Regards, Dave Baldwin Dallas, TX - -----Original Message----- From: Dana Bartholomew [mailto:danabart wizard.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:22 PM To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab ...From idle there is a pronounced shutter from the rear end. I believe it to be either axle wrap or pinion angle. The former being more likely in my mind. It only does it right at take off, once moving, even slightly, you can hit it hard and it's nice and smooth. My questions are these, had anyone had experience with this, what was the cause and what is the solution? Does anyone make a torque arm kit for this truck? ... Dana Bartholomew == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:44:49 -0700 From: Fred Moreno Subject: FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Cleaners Hey Doug, In regards to aftermarket aircleaners I noticed that a majority of the people believe that K&N is the way to go. Well you know the saying "...everybody has one..." and here is mine; Being in the Alternative Fuels business, I travel a lot to various fleets for training purposes, and I taking lots of tech calls involving LP and CNG conversions. I can honestly tell you that in this field no one hardly uses the K&N brand. The filter of choice by far is Vortox. I believe that Vortox manufactures the filter assemblies for the big rigs and locomotives. Do you need anything thougher? The Vortox air filter cannister assembly is a masterpiece because; 1 - it has more than twice the surface area of the OEM filter, 2 - it is a fully enclosed filter and takes in fresh air from outside the engine compartment and, 3 - it is designed to replace the factory air box, so it use the same hold-down bolts and uses the factory snorkel, 4 - the housing is made of aluminum (made in USA). And yes I do have one installed and yes my 302 breaths MUCH better. No I do not profit from Vortox sales, I just believe in their product. If you are interested, email the group or me directly and I will look into where these can be had. I guess one could do a search but who knows what they might charge you. There are plenty of sources I know of but I will see which one is the best and most reliable if you or anyone is interested. The cost (at least in this business) is less than the cost of the replacement OEM assembly. Tata-for now, I'll try and participate more in the future, Fred Moreno Autotronic Controls Corp - Alternate Fuels div. Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:36:30 -0500 From: Doug Tinsman Subject: FTE 80-96 - F350 gas...aftermarket options? Hi All, I have a stock 97 F350 Lariat, 4x4, 460, auto. I am considering adding a K&N air filter, the type that replaces the factory box. They are fairly expensive. Has anybody had any experience with these? I seem to remember someone cutting the factory air filter box to achieve the same results without spending the big bucks for the K&N filter. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:44:22 -0500 From: Mike Sloane Subject: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal It might be obvious to most of you, but it looks like I have to remove the wiper switch from under the dash of my '87 F-350, and I cannot figure out how to remove the knob so I can get the plastic cover off. Is there something in the back of the switch that I have to push/pull/smack? (I guess I have to remove the light switch knob also.) Mike - -- - ------------ Mike Sloane Allamuchy NJ (msloane att.net) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more... Hello fellow FTEs... I'm pleased to make a few announcements. Our products center on the web site now accepts Visa and Mastercard with secure and encrypted ordering. Amex will be accepted within a week. Due to this and the fact that we've recently taken on more web advertisers, we're increasing the scope of our free services to the list members and web site visitors. Classifieds - ----------- One of the items that list members have consistantly asked for is a new classifieds section. Yesterday we purchased a top of the line classifieds manager. This product has tons of features, including: 1. Auto ad expiration after 30, 45 or 60 days 2. Email notification that your ad is due to expire 7 days before it expires 3. Easy ad renewal 4. Advanced searching 5. Hide your email address! Ads have a reply feature which hides your address yet still lets people respond. (Goodbye spammers!) 6. Multiple ad sections. 7. Edit or delete your ad at a later date 8. Anti-ad spammer feature. Will **not** accept duplicate submission. 9. Taboo word filtering. 10. Auto limit on number of words entered for ad 11. Auto rejection from known abusers I have a huge list of featues, but this gives you an idea of its features. This new classifieds script should come on-line within a week. The old system will be maintained for 30 days after the launch of the new system. Chat - ---- As soon as sales picks up on the web site, we're purchasing a new chat engine. We're evaluating two packages right now. T-shirts - -------- Some of you may remember the t-shirt contest we had 3 months ago. Since the vote had some cheating I discontinued it. 4 weeks ago I gave an outline to my brother-in-law who is an artist and he was supposed to give me t-shirt artwork within 2 weeks. Well, I once again learned that you shouldn't do business with family. I'm taking the artwork to an artist next week who will have it back in 1-2 days. If you entered a design in our contest, we really appreciate it and we are going to prove it by giving a prize pack to ***all*** the people who entered a design. Full details on this when the t-shirts are ready. Club - ---- FTE is going to start a Ford truck club. After the first of the year I'm presenting a plan to our core group and we should be able to hammer out the details and hopefully have a club by mid-January. If you've been looking for a way to have some "hands on" involvement, a club will be just the ticket. Adm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:21:42 -0700 From: "Giddens, Scott" Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? Joe, I have the same style and year but don't see anything like that. My advice is to look behind the seat and see what it is attached to on the inside if anything. It may be a doubler plate to attach something on the inside or to patch up a hole someone put in it to run something through the cab wall. I am curious what you see on the inside. Scott > I have a 95 F-150 Extra Cab Short bed, V-8 302 > I noticed that in the gap between the back of the cab and the front of > the bed,, there is what appears to be a steel plate bolted to the back > of the cab ,, > It looks to be abut 5 inches tall maybe a foot wide ,, its a pretty > thick piece of whatever it is ,, Its held on with 4 bolts, > anyone know what this is or what its for ? ,, == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:25:56 EST From: ACMERCG aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab In a message dated 12/16/98 4:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, danabart wizard.com writes: My questions are these, had anyone had experience with this, what was the cause and what is the solution? Does anyone make a torque arm kit for this truck? >> Check out the leaf spring bushings. if they were severly worn you could produce the axle movement you are speaking of. Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:22:03 EST From: FLR150 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Dana, Yes they do make a torque arm kit for us Ford people. I have to find the ad where I saw it advertised. Or maybe Chris with the Lightning would know. A major Lightning drag racer invented them to keep the wheel hop down on launches at the drags. Basically contains mounting brackets and 2 small shocks. I'll try to find that for ya! Later, Wayne Foy '94 F 150 Flareside Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:23:12 EST From: ROlson1039 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex? tell you what just go to WalMart they got replacement mirrors just like the ones Ford Makes and theyre like $20 So save yourself the trouble and get a new one == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:25:56 EST From: ROlson1039 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? thats to get the attention of someone and start their curiosity running rampant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:15:31 EST From: FLR150 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? Did you buy the truck used? It sounds like to me that some kid had it previously and had a cut out in the truck for a stereo speaker box. Then they had to replace the bed. Let me know! Later, Wayne Foy '94 F150 Flareside Supercab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/flr150/auto/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:45:45 -0600 From: "Stephen W. Hansen" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Won't Start missed your original post If you repost your problems i'll give it a good thinking over.. Just replaced a started on a friend's car, I'm getting used to them ... A Napa starter for a 90 Ford 351 was 125.00 for a one year, 195.00 for a three year. caught me off guard too. I wasn't sure that the starter was the problem so I took it to a local place that rebuilds starters and electric motors. He checked it out, no problems found, he reshimmed the bushings, stopped it from rattling... 10.00 cost. I cleaned up all contacts, found one bad one on the solenoid, even cleaned the places where the starter mates up with the block/trans to ensure a good ground. been great now. Remove the starter and take it to a reputable place and have them do a check on it, usually no fee. RE:From: "Casey Vandor" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Won't Start Well when I get back up there, I will look into getting a new starter. Will a NAPA starter be ok or do I need a Ford starter? Haven't priced a Ford starter, not sure if I want to. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:50:00 -0600 From: "Stephen W. Hansen" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Marine starters The primary difference between a marine Carb and the rest is that a marine starter floods itself down into the carb itself, not onto the manifold to Reduce the risk of explosions. the other difference is that the marine starter costs twice as much, and is why my boat doesn't have one on at this time > I've got a 1985 (built in 84) F-150, 4x4 with 351W, 2V carb, 4 sp. Manual. > I've never seen , nor heard of a marine carb on a land engine before. What > leads you to think it is a marine carb, I've seen many on boats before > (Holley and such) and couldn't see any obvious differences. If is a boat > carb, it wasn't installed by Ford as O.E. Walt == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:16:23 -0500 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Dana Bartholomew wrote: > [shudder--but I don't know] > > One other thing, when sitting at a stoplight with my foot on the brake > the pedal will move toward the floor if I apply more pressure than > needed to hold the truck stationary. It will continue until it bottoms > out. The brakes do not feel mushy nor do they need to be pumped up like > there was air in the lines. I do believe it has ABS. I've only had it > an hour so I'm just getting to know it. > That's usually a sign of the master cylinder going out. Hit the pedal hard, it may firm up. Had the truck been parked for an extended period before you bought it? Somtimes sitting around is the worst thing for a vehicle. As for the ABS, I don't know if that would make a difference. - -- Andre, Somewhere ... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:26:19 -0500 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal Mike Sloane wrote: > > It might be obvious to most of you, but it looks like I have to remove the > wiper switch from under the dash of my '87 F-350, and I cannot figure out > how to remove the knob so I can get the plastic cover off. Is there > something in the back of the switch that I have to push/pull/smack? (I guess > I have to remove the light switch knob also.) > Oh, it's really obvious once you get it off. So just remove it and you'll see ;-) Get a knitting needle or something of about that size and strength, like a small screwdrive. At the bottom of the knob nearest the dash face (farthest away from the part you see) there is a little hole, maybe 1/8 " square or so, maybe bigger. ----- shaft | | | ------- | V ------- | -----------/-- | | ----------/--- | | ------- | ------- | | | ----- See that little thing at an agle where the knob and the shaft joins? It's just a small piece of steel that goes around the shaft. At the top it's joined to the knob, at the bottom it jams against the shaft. It's a spring in of itself and the spring force mashes it into the shaft. With your knitting needle (or whatever) just pull back on the steel through the little hole in the bottom of the knob, and pull the knob off. That spring may actually go the other way, I can't quite remember. Just poke around till the knob comes off. - -- Andre, Somewhere ... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:40:54 -0500 From: Andre Roy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - I-6 Ignition upgrade Rick Wojciechowski wrote: > > Andre Roy wrote: > > > So? What were the results? Since I doubt any of my ignition has been > > changed in the 10+ years my FIL owned my truck before me, I suspect mine > > just might be due for a change. > > No responses means I have no answers. :-( > Well, I guess it's time to rattle some cages then! Maybe I'll find me a tin cup to bang against the bars. Anyway. I'm strictly using my truck as a daily driver, so performance isn't an issue. On my car I've been using Motomaster (Canadian Tire store brand) wires. These are rebadged Niehoff wires. I've never heard of that brand, but they do seem to be allright. They're actually a couple of dollard more expensive than Accell wires, go figure. They're spiral wound and the plug boots hold nicely. THe rotor and cap I used on my car are also Motomasters, but I think they're rebadged Wells. They don't seem any better or worse than the OEM stuff on that car. I'll probably go the same route for the truck, at least for the wires. I may get something else for the cap and rotor. Any opinions out there? We're not talking mountain motor or dragstrip warrior here, just a get-me-to-the-university-in-the-morning type of big six pickup. - -- Andre, Somewhere ... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:28:21 -0600 From: David Cole Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cured: light throttle stumble Hello all, I couple of weeks ago I posted a rather long post about a light throttle stumble on my 92 F-150 w 5.0/AOD. It had a stumble when under light throttle/increasing load conditions, such as giving just enough gas to maintain cruising speed while going up hill. If I gave it more throttle, enough to make it downshift, the problem instantly went away. It didn't set any computer codes, and all the sensors, including the tps checked out ok. It had a complete tune up with plugs/wires, etc a few k miles ago. I was thinking it was the fuel pressure regulator. It seemed that it was creating a lean condition under high vacum. I replaced the regulator. Problem was still there. Replaced the coil, no change, starting to get pissed. Finally took it to a local shop that specializes in efi troublshooting. They checked the computer, still no codes. The put another scanner on it a drove it around to reproduce the problem while the scanner was hooked up. The scanner said that at a certain throttle angle there was a glitch in the voltage. Even though the tps checked ok for volts and ohms when checked. So I replaced the tps. Got a Wells brand from Auto Zone for $28. Problem still there. Really pissed now. Took the truck back to the shop. He asked me where I got the tps. When I said Auto Zone he told me that the Auto Zone tps sensoprs were a one or two sizes fits all part. Ford dealers carry a specific calibration for each model and year vehicle. The same tps for a 92-F150 is not calibrated the same as for a 92 Mustang, Crown Vic etc. Auto Zone sells the same part # for all models for that year. Went to Ford dealer and bought a new tps ($62). They showed me how to read the calibration codes within the part # . The part # was something like E7T1989891CA12345. (example) The CA is the code calibration. The Auto Zone part had a E7T198989BB12345. It was expalined to me that for example a 35 deg throttle angle on an F-150 at crusing speed might equal 2.8 volts, it might be 3.0 or 2.5 on another model at the same angle. Put the Motorcraft tps on, returned the old one to Auto Zone. Problem still there. Boiling mad now. Returned to the shop. No charge from the shop this time. The shop operator was able to find an obscure record of a similar problem in his diagnostic computer system (Mitchell?). It said that bad plug wires that are crossed close to the tps (within 3" on my truck) were creating enough interference that it was confusing the tps at a certain angle. When the tps got confused, the computer switched to closed loop operation and ran a pre-set fuel/spark setting just like when the truck was operated cold. (Problem was not present until truck was warmed up). The stumble was caused by the rapid switching back and forth from open to closed loop operation. I switched the plug wires, making sure to keep them as far as possible from the tps. The problem was instantly cured! It had never occured to me that the plug wires might be bad. They only had about 4-5K miles on them and had a lifetime warranty. The moral: STAY AWAY from cheap chain store (Auto Zone ) plug wires. I ended up spending over $250 tracking down a problem caused by their $30 plug wires! When I checked them with an ohm meter, prior to returning them, they checked at over 10K ohms cold. No telling what the resistance went to when they got hot. The new wires (Belden, from NAPA, $50) checked at when hot are trash. They might run ok on points/carb applications, but on efi they cause problems. Anyway, several people on the list had this problem, so maybe this might be a solution to yours. Any comments are welcome. Later, David Cole == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:54:09 -0600 From: GTH Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Windshield Wiper switch removal Mike: knob should have a set screw (88 and 89 do)...been there. G Hester Mike Sloane wrote: > > It might be obvious to most of you, but it looks like I have to remove the > wiper switch from under the dash of my '87 F-350, and I cannot figure out > how to remove the knob so I can get the plastic cover off. Is there > something in the back of the switch that I have to push/pull/smack? (I guess > I have to remove the light switch knob also.) > > Mike > > -- > > ------------ > Mike Sloane > Allamuchy NJ > (msloane att.net) > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:57:09 -0500 From: "Matt Fitzsimmons" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? What you have there is a lump of steel attached to the back wall of the cab. While I was working at the truck plant in Ontario I used to see these coming down the line. They are on some trucks but not others. I asked around what they were for. The guy installing them had no idea, that was just his job. Anyhow .... it's a weight. It helps reduce vibrations in that relatively large flat panel. Hope that helps. Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Joe To: Ford-Trucks Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:47 PM Subject: FTE 80-96 - What the heck is it?? >I have a 95 F-150 Extra Cab Short bed, V-8 302 >I noticed that in the gap between the back of the cab and the front of >the bed,, there is what appears to be a steel plate bolted to the back >of the cab ,, >It looks to be abut 5 inches tall maybe a foot wide ,, its a pretty >thick piece of whatever it is ,, Its held on with 4 bolts, >anyone know what this is or what its for ? ,, > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:04:47 -0500 From: "Matt Fitzsimmons" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab My '95 F150 has the same shudder problem when pulling away from a stop with a heavy load (house trailer etc). I also concluded that it's axle wind up. I had been looking into a set of radius rods, but hadn't got any where, and now that the camping season is over (for me anyway) the pressure is off. The problem with the brakes sounds like a leaking master cylinder. Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Dana Bartholomew To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 3:24 PM Subject: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab >Hi everyone, I used to belong to the old ford list but I just picked up >a '93 F350 crew cab 4x4 with 4" superlift and 37" tires and I have a >problem I need help with. From idle there is a pronounced shutter from >the rear end. I believe it to be either axle wrap or pinion angle. The >former being more likely in my mind. It only does it right at take off, >once moving, even slightly, you can hit it hard and it's nice and >smooth. > >My questions are these, had anyone had experience with this, what was >the cause and what is the solution? Does anyone make a torque arm kit >for this truck? > >One other thing, when sitting at a stoplight with my foot on the brake >the pedal will move toward the floor if I apply more pressure than >needed to hold the truck stationary. It will continue until it bottoms >out. The brakes do not feel mushy nor do they need to be pumped up like >there was air in the lines. I do believe it has ABS. I've only had it >an hour so I'm just getting to know it. > >I'm sure I'll have more later and any info you can provide is greatly >appreciated. > >Dana Bartholomew >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:49:44 -0800 From: Randy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Dana, Axle wrap usually causes a 'hopping' effect in the rear end, the spring and axle torque fighting it out. If you have blocks in the rear which is a typical thing for most lifts, I'd go w/that. A 4" lift doesn't mean you have 4" blocks either. Some companies only use 2.5 or 3" blocks since the rear sits higher from the factory. U-joints could be another problem especially w/the steeper yoke angles. Those are cheap and easy to fix, so even if it's not the problem, it won't be the next time if you fix it now... I had a Camaro I built and man that thing would act like hop-along cassidy at a good launch. A set of traction bars cured that, but that's not what you'd use for a truck as you already know, just giving an example. If you suspect a steep pinion angle you could use shims to rotate the front of the axle up _slightly_. Later, Brew Dana Bartholomew wrote: > > Hi everyone, I used to belong to the old ford list but I just picked up > a '93 F350 crew cab 4x4 with 4" superlift and 37" tires and I have a > problem I need help with. From idle there is a pronounced shutter from > the rear end. I believe it to be either axle wrap or pinion angle. The > former being more likely in my mind. It only does it right at take off, > once moving, even slightly, you can hit it hard and it's nice and > smooth. > > My questions are these, had anyone had experience with this, what was > the cause and what is the solution? Does anyone make a torque arm kit > for this truck? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:59:01 -0800 From: Randy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stupid Question Time... Fred!! See below Fred Moreno wrote: > - ---snip--- > Stupid Question: the diaphragm puzzles me because if one tops off the fluid > "to the fill line", and then you place the diaphragm, put the cap on, you > get a mess due to the brake fluid overflowing. Is this correct or am I > missing the boat here? Are you suppose to fold the diaphram or something ( > Origami anyone? )? Service manual mentions nothing of the overflow situation > and origami possibility. > Feel free to comment, suggest, but be gentle, I just finished a Bunch of > finals, not much left of my brain. > Ok, is the resevoir diaphram rather flat with 1 or 2 small circular walls standing up _slightly_? Meaning an 1/8" or so? Or does it stand tall? If it does, that's caused by the resevoir getting low. The vacuum from the fluid being drawn down pulls the resevoir diaphram out. You must depress (fold) the diaphram back in. Since you are getting an overflow when only filling the resevoir to the full line, I'm betting this is the problem. The diaphram will sort of 'pop' back into shape. Later, Brew == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:16:13 -0800 From: Randy Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: What year did pass. mirror go from flat to convex? Jim, I DON'T recommend the ones from Wal-Mart! I too busted my passenger side mirror and thought I'd save a few bucks, not to mention time, by getting the $20 Wal-Mart one. It is flat (they have one mirror that fits both sides) and I hate it being flat on the passenger side (my '87 has the slight convex you're talking about). Not to mention that it vibrates really bad on the highway. I can't even tell the model of car next to me (if it's a truck it must be a Ch*vy since it's behind me..hehe). Last spring on the day I was gonna leave for a camping trip my drivers' side mirror (glass) fell off and broke. Having limited time and not wanting to pull my camper w/out both mirrors I ran to Wal-Mart, and regretted it...again. I mean it was nice to have any kind of a mirror since I was towing, and they work great...as long as you're sitting at a stop light or in the driveway. Just my experience. Later, Brew Jim Cannon wrote: > > Maybe someone can save me some time hunting in the junkyard this weekend. I > cracked my outside mirror on the passenger side of my 1980 F-150. I have > been wanting to replace this original flat mirror with a curved one like > they put on later models. I plan to just replace the entire mirror unit > (bracket, mirror head, etc.) What year did this convex mirror first come > out? '84? '85? > Thanks! > Jim Cannon > Houston, TX > '29 Ford Model A Phaeton > '63 Buick Riviera > '80 Ford F-150 > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:35:13 -0800 From: Dana Bartholomew Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab Randy wrote: > > Dana, > Axle wrap usually causes a 'hopping' effect in the rear end, the > spring and axle torque fighting it out. If you have blocks in the > rear which is a typical thing for most lifts, I'd go w/that. A 4" > lift doesn't mean you have 4" blocks either. Some companies only use > 2.5 or 3" blocks since the rear sits higher from the factory. > U-joints could be another problem especially w/the steeper yoke > angles. Those are cheap and easy to fix, so even if it's not the > problem, it won't be the next time if you fix it now... > I had a Camaro I built and man that thing would act like hop-along > cassidy at a good launch. A set of traction bars cured that, but > that's not what you'd use for a truck as you already know, just giving > an example. If you suspect a steep pinion angle you could use shims > to rotate the front of the axle up _slightly_. > > Later, > Brew > Thanks Brew and everyone else that has given me input on my "shudder", thanks Andre for the spell check, I didn't even think about it when I spelled it "shutter". I've talked to some local suspension and driveline shops here in town today and have got differing opinions on the cause of the problem. I'm bringing it in to a driveline shop that comes highly recommended by a few of the suspension and performance shops. He feels that he will be able to determine if it's pinion angle or axle wrap. He said that on lifted or lowered vehicles that shudder upon take-off 9 out of ten times it is pinion angle. He also mentioned that the carrier bearing could be worn and allowing the shaft to wobble. The truck does have 92k on it and I don't know of it's service record so it may well be a combination of things. I will let you know what the final outcome is and if anyone has more to add please keep it coming. As for the fading brake pedal I do suspect the master cylinder, is there any definitive way to check the master cylinder? I would like to say that I've been a member of a few different mailing lists and this is the first time that I've really needed help on something and I appreciate the quick and helpful advice. Thanks again for the help, Dana B == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:19:24 -0800 From: Bob Kennedy Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F350 Crew Cab > Air in the line could cause the fading. A bad MC wouildn't give you a > regualr good performance. A bad MC will usually leak, either down the > firewall or into the booster. Sometimes the diaphram in the lid will dry > rot (not likely) or leak. If this is happening, it will induce air into > the system and cause the pedal to give out. Does the fluid level stay > pretty constant? Hope any of this helps. Bob > > > > As for the fading brake pedal I do suspect the master cylinder, is there > any definitive way to check the master cylinder? > > I would like to say that I've been a member of a few different mailing > lists and this is the first time that I've really needed help on > something and I appreciate the quick and helpful advice. > > Thanks again for the help, > > Dana B > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:11:33 EST From: CRGREENE1 aol.com Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Switch on '92 F 250 Hey guys, I've got a problem..I have a '92 F 250 and it has dual tanks..my switch that you use to switch from front tank to rear tank (or vice versa) is coming loose and is starting to fall behind the dash...its getting to be a real pain in the butt to switch tanks now...have y'all had any problems with this? What is the easiest way to get the dash panel off? It seems like no biggie except for the head light switch is restricting it from coming off...how do you take off the headlight switch? Do you need a special tool? Thanks in advance guys! C. Greene == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:01:23 -0800 From: mccall Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas tanks There seems to be a problem filling the rear gas tank in my 1981 F150 2wheel drive truck.You have to squeeze the gas nozzle gently or you get the gas coming back at you. Any solution would be appreciated, someone mentioned venting, if that is the case. How do you vent? Thanks in advance Davie == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:32:25 -0500 From: Doug Tinsman Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Aftermarket Air Cleaners Thanks much..... Yes , if you can put me on to these filters, I will check them out. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:28:21 -0800 (PST) From: shy anne Subject: FTE 80-96 - work horses this is in response to the posts about ford trucks being used for work. i go to rodeos and horse shows a lot. while standing at the top of the bleachers and looking out into the parking lot i noticed something. while there were a few non-Fords hitched to the smaller trailers, nearly all of the larger had a Ford attatched to it. I thought, "well maybe it's just a coincidence." So, at the next show, in a different town, I looked out on the parking lot again. Same thing. Now, every show or rodeo I go to, I check out the parking lot. So far, the results have all been the same... == - -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:17:11 -0800 (PST) From: shy anne Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ?? i have no idea.. - ---"Giddens, Scott" wrote: > > Shy, > > Can you sipe tires after they have been on your truck for a year? > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: shy anne [SMTP:jme_shy yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:59 PM > > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com > > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What is Tire siping ?? > > > > they cut thin slices in your tires for better traction on wet roads. > > there are more channels for the water to go through..instead of > > getting between the tire and the road. You can't tell that your tires > > have been siped by looking unless you look really close. Discount > > Tire siped my tires and I've noticed that I seem to have better > > traction on wet roads. This is how I understand siping anyway. > > Shy > > > > > > > > > > ---Lamar Zabielski wrote: > > > > > > What is siping? It sounds like making grooves for tire chains to fit > > in. How > > > old can a tire be? Does it work for cable? > > > > > > PS No way am I gonna change wheels to get my chains on. > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > At 04:31 PM 12/9/98 -0700, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote: > > > >Discount tire here in Colorado wanted to sipe my tires last July..... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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