80-96-list-digest Sunday, December 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 414



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L
FTE 80-96 - Owner's manual needed - F350
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L
Re: FTE 80-96 - GT-40
Re: FTE 80-96 - GT-40
FTE 80-96 - re: starting problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - AOD help?
FTE 80-96 - Getting rid of the ford
RE: FTE 80-96 - Getting rid of the ford
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Chat addition
FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
FTE 80-96 - Chat room/AOL users/Ken Payne
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L
FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????
FTE 80-96 - Re:Start Problems/Gear-reduced Starters

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:47:09 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L

I installed a DynoMax cat back system along with equal legnth shorty headers
on my '95 302. It runs better, but I think 20 H.P. might be a bit of a
stretch. As for the oil pan, they do rust out, especially if you live in an
area where they tend to use salt. After a few trips down gravel roads the
paint on the pan wil get get a few rock chips, the next winter is gets salt
water in there, gets heated up by the oil and now you have a perfect recipe
for rust. Come to think of it, it's amazing they last as long as they do.
You can replace the pan without the engine or tranny coming out. You will
have to disconnect the motor mounts and raise the engine to gain clearence
to slide the pan out between the engine and the cross member.

Matt


- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mahaffey
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 10:38 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L


>It's that time again for me to replace the exhaust on my 92 Flareside.
>It has the 4.9L with stock exhaust. I've been thinking about going with
>a cat-back system either 3" single or duals from the muffler back. I've
>read the ads that claim up to 20 more HP but I don't know what to expect
>with the 4.9. Any ideas? Any other ideas on how to improve the
>performance? I'm not looking to make a fast truck out of it but I pull
>a boat with it and some of the hills really make it work hard.
>
>Also, I've found I need to replace the oil pan because it's rusting out.
>Is this a common occurance? Is it possible to replace it without
>pulling the tranny (4spd manual)? I had never heard of the oil pan
>rusting out, but just about 2 months ago my dad had to replace the one
>in his truck (88 F150, 5.0L )
>
>Thanks
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:05:31 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Owner's manual needed - F350

I am new to the list, so forgive me if this has already been dealt with
previously. I just purchased a 1987 F-350 Super Duty with the diesel
engine. There is an owner's manual in the glove box for the truck, but it
seems that there was a supplement for the diesel engine which is not there.
Is there an Internet source of such manuals that I can go to?

If I may bear on your patience a little longer, I have a couple of other
questions: 1) the windshield wiper motor doesn't work. I am guessing that
somebody tried to use the wipers when the blades were frozen to the glass.
Is there any trick to removing the motor? 2) the rear ABS light stays on
all the time. I am not crazy about ABS, especially on a dump truck, is this
something I should be concerned about and fix immediately, or can I just
remove the bulb and ignore it?

Everything else, including the cab, body, drive train, etc. is in great
shape, considering it has 97K miles. I will post an image of it when I get
it prettied up some (it was hauling top soil and towing a 5-ton tag-a-long
for a landscaper until a couple of days ago).

Thanks for your patience with a "newbie". (Not new to Ford trucks - I also
have an '83 F-250 pickup that is pretty rough but still does the job).

Mike


Mike Sloane, Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:58:38 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302

On 2 Dec 98, at 19:38, CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote:

>I have a couple of questions:
>
>1) I am looking at an '81 F-150 (LONG-BED) and the guy told me that it had
>a 351W in it. Weren't the only 351's in a TRUCK were the 351C & 351M?
>
>2) In my look for truck, i've found many diff. trucks(ALL FORD!) that I
>would like, most had the 302, so which has more HP, the 302 or the 351?
>
>3) What are the advantages of each, the 302, the 351 (C, W, and M), and
>what are the disadvatages?

I think you would have more pulling power with the 351. Might have
faster acceleration, but the 302 works perfectly in my '84. :)

You might be a redneck if... Your idea of a great Christmas present
is a gift certificate to the local bail bondsman - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:58:39 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302

On 2 Dec 98, at 23:07, Lord_Xaenon wrote:

>The 302 is a tad on the small side for a large truck. It has lots of
>support from the aftermarket, and even a simple bolt-on hop up like
>manifold, headers, 4-bbl, and a mild cam can get one of these things
>running great. It has been in production practically since Moses and is a
>reliable, fairly efficient little engine.

You've got that right. The 302 hasn't let me down yet. I have
absolutely no complaints. The thing I have the biggest complaint
about is the automatic overdrive on this thing. You have to press
on the gas pretty hard after slowing down to say, under 45 MPH to
try and pick up speed again to keep other people from ramming
you off of the road. I don't know if it's something with my particular
truck or what.

You might be a redneck if... You proposed in a Denny's.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:36:38 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L

I would say that you should go with the Gibson or Flowmaster cat back system.
I also have a Flareside but mine is a 5.0L. The exhaust added a lot on the top
end but not a whole lot on the low end. The only problem I had is having the
dual tanks I couldn't use the dual outlet kit. Just my 2 cents.
Wayne Foy
FLR150 aol.com
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:00:00 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - GT-40

T.C. Stoppelbein wrote:
>
> Well hello All ,
> A brief intro : My name is Chris Stoppelbein and I live in Central Florida
> and have driven almost every type of truck there is and have had good and
> bad in all . I'm the proud owner of an '88 F150 4X4 Lariat , 5.0 EFI , 4"
> body lifts , AOD, 35x12.50x15 , 187,000 hard miles and still looks good .
>
> My question for the group is a repeat since I received no reply the first
> time ; I'm trying to find a more efficient and attractive intake for my F150
> and am leaning toward the GT-40 intake or the Cobra intake and would
> appreciate any help available . Would these intakes work on my engine ? What
> other mods would be necessary for a mildly hot street and off-road engine ?
> Would I need a new throttle body , if so how big ? Would I need new
> injectors , if so how big ? Would the expense of mass air be advisable ?
> Thanks in advance ..
>
> Chris

The GT40 intake and Cobra intakes are the same...unless your are
thinking of the CobraR are which would be overkill on a 5.0! All the
things you asked about will help. Mass air is a opionionable(SP) debate,
after I have seen what a good chip tuner can do with speed density I
don't really think its necessary. I larger throttle body would help, I
ahve heard that just honing the 5.0L stock intake and it will flow just
as well as a GT40!
A good cam roller rockers would also be nice and maybe GT40 heads or
polished and port your stock ones maybe 24lb injectors...not just for
more fuel but a better spray pattern...this is what I have heard anyway!
Of course none of this is hoing to help a whole lot with a computer chip
because speed density is not going to able sense the improvements. I
would also check into a K&N filter kit...not just the replacement get
the cone filter, and a performance exhaust system!

Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:20:41 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - GT-40

The only problem with the Mustang style intake is the fact of the mounting
spots for the coil and other components is different on the %.0L truck motor.
The coil and other emission crap is all mounted to the side of the intake due
to the longer runners on the truck style intake. When you put on the GT40 you
also have to take into consideration the different location of the throttle
body and the location and length of your throttle cable/kickdown cable
connections. They would have to be lengthened and all the other stuff would
have to be moved and remounted to the firewall or elsewhere. I have been
through what you are going through, trying to decide what to do to make it go!
Chris was right by saying to port out the manifold but only the lower should
be done. And mostly on the exhaust side. The truck still need its low end
torque so you don't want to open up the upper too much if at all. I have kept
the stock upper on my '94 but had the lower port matched to my GT40 iron
heads. Big difference, and with the 3.55 gears... I can smoke them with little
effort.
Hope this helps,
Wayne Foy
FLR150 aol.com
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:46:29 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: starting problems

Well thanks for the replies, still no luck, but I am leaving for break
so I will have to put the truck off until January. When I get back I
will start putzing with it again.

Thanks,
Casey

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:30:56 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - AOD help?

Guys,

A stab at #3:

I had a Ranger that had this vibration on acceleration and vibration that
turned into a loud droning noise at between 65 and 70 MPH. Turned out to be
stiff U joints. Was a short wheelbase 4X4, so the prop-shaft angles were
really amplifying the effect--accelerating hard from a stop felt like
someone was kicking up on the rear end of the truck from underneath. New
U-joints, problem solved!

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX


- -----Original Message-----
From: Radoje Spasojevic [mailto:rspasoje gte.net]

- -snip-

3.No idea on this one but my AOD is making a vibration on acceleration and a
little during cruise. We're probably both in for a rebuild soon :^(

- -----Original Message-----
From: David Chowenhill Ladd

- -snip

>3. There is a noticable vibration when cruising in overdrive. It gets
>worse the harder the load, and is also rather bad on trailing throttle.
>Just cruising flat land with no load it is barely there. any thoughts?
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:59:33 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Getting rid of the ford

I didn't want to start a flame war, I was just going to go back to my
orignal truck (we bought it for 400 bucks as a POS gravel toting,
seaweed packing.... whatever truck.) I am not saying DOdge is better
than Ford, bu tthat particular one (400,000+ rblt 80,000 ago still
starts amd runs great) I am not selling my truck, I am going to drive
it back down to Rainier and parj it on my grandfathers farm and then
when I can afford to tinker with it (next to my superduty of course)
then I can go down and pick it up.



Didn't mean to upset anybody

Casey

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:55:06 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Getting rid of the ford

Casey,

I don't think anyone was really FLAMING you--just a warning from some of us
who have had recent trouble with Chrysler products. I had a Dodge years ago
that was a fine machine (71) and my dad had a Dodge pickup (57) with a 318
and 300K miles on it that ran on 4 quarts of SAE50 and two cans of STP--it
was very "loose"--but it just wouldn't die! I had a car, which, like yours,
kept breaking. It had been setting for a long time when I bought it. Every
morning I would go to start it, and it would either not start, not turn over
or there would be a HUGE puddle streaming out from under it. I replaced
everything in the braking and clutch hydraulic system, rebuilt the
transmission (ate the countershaft bearings), rear end (had IRS, and was
slinging lube out the axle-shaft seals), shocks, carbs, plug wires,
alternator, battery, battery cables, starter, distributor, U-joints. Ugh! I
felt like I rebuilt the entire vehicle over about a 9 month period, one
piece at a time. All of a sudden, it stopped (breaking that is), and it
never gave me any trouble after that. Of course, what else was there to
break?! I also was no longer a starving student by that time, so I could
afford to fix it. I probably would've had to sell it if I hadn't had the
funds to fix it.

My 95 F-150 has been quite reliable so far, the only plaguing item being the
turn signal stalk, that first wouldn't operate the intermittent wiper
properly, and now it causes my headlamps (maybe taillamps, too) to go out if
I use it at night. Gotta get that fixed sometime, if I can ever stop
reading the FTE postings long enough to do it!

At any rate, I'm sure that all of us wish you the best luck in the
future--with or without your truck. Maybe you should try an electric
vehicle :^)

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX


- -----Original Message-----
From: Casey Vandor [mailto:cvandor hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 12:00 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Getting rid of the ford


I didn't want to start a flame war, I was just going to go back to my
orignal truck (we bought it for 400 bucks as a POS gravel toting,
seaweed packing.... whatever truck.) I am not saying DOdge is better
than Ford, bu tthat particular one (400,000+ rblt 80,000 ago still
starts amd runs great) I am not selling my truck, I am going to drive
it back down to Rainier and parj it on my grandfathers farm and then
when I can afford to tinker with it (next to my superduty of course)
then I can go down and pick it up.



Didn't mean to upset anybody

Casey

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:59:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Chat addition

Telnet chatting has been added in addition to Java chat. It
works well. I don't know if it works with AOL because I
don't have AOL to test with. Let me know if you have AOL
and it doesn't work. The new chat server is pretty bullet
proof. It's been running for a week without a problem and
is still using only between 300-400k of memory and .002%
CPU resources. The Telnet chat link is on the chat page.
In addition to AOL users, anyone with older browsers,
browsers without Java and some Macintosh browsers should
now be able to chat via Telnet. For the curious, Telnet
is a terminal interface for the Internet (what we used before
browsers came along). Most computers have a Telnet client
on them, just click our Telnet link and it should launch.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:05:47 -0500
From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

I'm looking at an 86 F-250 Diesel...Can anybody fill me
in on these trucks????Is the diesel by International?????How are
they as dependable motors????The truck has 120,000 on it
Any feedback would be appreciated
Joe
68 4x4
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:17:19 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Chat room/AOL users/Ken Payne

Ken,
After a few minutes of typing, I was able to sign on to the Ford Chat but,
there was no one else in the rooms (general) and I realized I was talking to
myself, so I signed off. I will try at another time to see how AOL will
interact with the other users. So I guess it does work with AOL and it wasn't
hard to sign on, but I did get a seemingly false error message, and it still
signed me on.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
Acmercg aol.com
92 F-150 NITE
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:02:00 EST
From: Genlee97 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust on 4.9L

many trucks in that year and even past the '92's have rusted out, I'm not sure
what the procedure is
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:35:52 -0600
From: "Dale J. Jensen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks

Hello everyone. I've been a member for about 6 months, and this will
be my 2nd post.
I have a 90, F150 XLT with an I 6, and 2WD. My problem is , that the
power door
lock on the passenger side quit working. The switches on both doors
seem to work, so
it must be the solenoid. My question is, what is the best way to take
the door panel off?
I pried on the panel and saw those plastic push in holders. Should I
just pull them out? Will I damage the panel ? Also I pried on the PDL
switch cover, and that didn't
want to come off either. Would like to fix this myself . Is the dealer
the best place to go
for this part? Thanks in advance for any help.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:42:35 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks

All I can say is be VEEERRYYY careful prying up those push pins, make sure
you have support on both sides of them when prying or you will break the
panel like I did :^(. The door lock switch does come off though this to is
a PITA, get a screwdriver under it at the side of the switch and press the
clip in and it should come out, of course if the switch is fine then there
is no need to pull it out. Good luck.

Rade
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From: Dale J. Jensen
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com Jensen
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 2:33 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks


> Hello everyone. I've been a member for about 6 months, and this will
>be my 2nd post.
>I have a 90, F150 XLT with an I 6, and 2WD. My problem is , that the
>power door
>lock on the passenger side quit working. The switches on both doors
>seem to work, so
>it must be the solenoid. My question is, what is the best way to take
>the door panel off?
> I pried on the panel and saw those plastic push in holders. Should I
>just pull them out? Will I damage the panel ? Also I pried on the PDL
>switch cover, and that didn't
>want to come off either. Would like to fix this myself . Is the dealer
>the best place to go
>for this part? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:10:32 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

Yes it's an IH engine.
They had some troubles with the block *at least my parents '84 did)
I believe it's caused by not using good enough antifreeze. I think pinhole
cracks showed up in the block.
It did have 400,000 and ran perfect up to that.
I also think they went through injectors.
This was in Alaska and it can be hard on vehicles. Overall it was a great
truck.
-srw

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'70 Mustang Grabber Sportsroof
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 FXD Super Glide
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 5:10 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????


>I'm looking at an 86 F-250 Diesel...Can anybody fill me
>in on these trucks????Is the diesel by International?????How are
>they as dependable motors????The truck has 120,000 on it
>Any feedback would be appreciated
>Joe
>68 4x4
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 18:45:34 -0800
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

that would be the international/navistar 6.9 litre my experience is with the
7.3 litre IMHO both are great motors far more reliable than the gas motors
easier on fuel and maintenance
evan
88 f-250 supercab 4X4 7.3 diesel
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From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 5:16 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????


>I'm looking at an 86 F-250 Diesel...Can anybody fill me
>in on these trucks????Is the diesel by International?????How are
>they as dependable motors????The truck has 120,000 on it
>Any feedback would be appreciated
>Joe
>68 4x4
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:56:59 -0600
From: "Brent McNabb"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

>Yes it's an IH engine.
>They had some troubles with the block *at least my parents '84 did)
>I believe it's caused by not using good enough antifreeze. I think pinhole
>cracks showed up in the block.
>It did have 400,000 and ran perfect up to that.
>I also think they went through injectors.
>This was in Alaska and it can be hard on vehicles. Overall it was a great
>truck.

The pinhole cracks in the cooling jackets of the IH block are caused by
cavitation, there is a additive called FW-15, I believe, that stops the
cavitation. Ford recently issued a TSB stating this, although I cannot
recall when Ford started using the FW-15 additive in their production
engines. I don't think they started until the mid to late nineties. You
might want to check the maintenance records of the truck, if none has been
added, you might be seeing problems as stated above. Ford might have a
different name for it, I believe FW-15 is IH's name.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:11:16 -0600
From: "Moses O. McKnight"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

Hi!

I have an 85 F-350 diesel and like it a lot. The motor is going to be a 6.9
liter made by international (unless someone put a 7.3 liter in later...and
that's still and international). The motors are *very* dependable as long as
they are kept up properly. I have a neighbor with around 450,000 miles on one
engine and no rebuilds and knew of a company that used diesel vans and usually
ran them for 400,000 miles or so before needing to work on them.

Here are some things I'd check on before buying:
1. Make sure the automatic glow plug system works. A number of people will
just put in a push button to activate the glow plugs instead of fixing the
system. If it has this I would pull a couple of glow plugs and check them to
make sure the ends are still on them. I had to rebuild my engine shortly after
buying it because the truck had a push button system installed and the dealer
held it in too long and burnt the ends off which then stuck on top of the
pistons and messed things up pretty bad. The glow plugs should never be on more
than 8 - 10 seconds at a time with a 20 - 30 second interval between times.
2. Make sure the oil has been changed pretty regularly at about 3000 - 5000
mile intervals, otherwise there could be more than normal wear.
3. Make sure the owner put additive in the coolant. Otherwise there's a
possibility of holes in the cylinder walls due to cavitation. With only 120,000
miles that's not too likely though even without additive. All diesels can have
this problem without the additive BTW.
Other than that and other general checks, if it sounds good and doesn't smoke
much it's probably good!

Moses

Joe&Jen DeLaurentis wrote:
>
> I'm looking at an 86 F-250 Diesel...Can anybody fill me
> in on these trucks????Is the diesel by International?????How are
> they as dependable motors????The truck has 120,000 on it
> Any feedback would be appreciated
> Joe
> 68 4x4
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:50:16 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

>1. Make sure the automatic glow plug system works. A number of people
will


Yes, it was glow plugs not injectors my dad had troubles with. He often had
to cycle them twice to start it when it was real cold.
That could easily have contributed to there eary deaths...
-srw

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:39:42 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power Door Locks

Dale,
You can find the pry tool used for those clips at the local auto parts
store. It had a 'V' or 'U' shaped tip to fit around the clip and
keeps the head of those clips from pulling the carboard retainer off
the back of the door panel. This makes if very easy. The clips have
what ya call a 'christmas tree' shaft on them (at least in the mold
design industry, which is what makes those pieces). Soft plastic that
just 'zips' into the hole in the door. They come out, but with a
little force. The top of the door panel fits into the window groove,
so pull out the bottom of the panel first and work your way up the
sides then you can just lift it out of the groove. I think there's
maybe two screws, one near the window pillar and one in the armrest
which may have a cover on it, just pry that out w/a screwdriver. Once
off you should have enough wire behind the control to pull the panel
out a couple of inches and be able to see the clip from underneath and
pop it off if you need to move the panel out of the way. Please don't
give away money to the dealer for such an easy task... But if you
insist on giving it away, send some over here. :)

Later,
Randy

Dale J. Jensen wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I've been a member for about 6 months, and this will
> be my 2nd post.
> I have a 90, F150 XLT with an I 6, and 2WD. My problem is , that the
> power door
> lock on the passenger side quit working. The switches on both doors
> seem to work, so
> it must be the solenoid. My question is, what is the best way to take
> the door panel off?
> I pried on the panel and saw those plastic push in holders. Should I
> just pull them out? Will I damage the panel ? Also I pried on the PDL
> switch cover, and that didn't
> want to come off either. Would like to fix this myself . Is the dealer
> the best place to go
> for this part? Thanks in advance for any help.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:47:06 -0600
From: "Moses O. McKnight"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-250 Diesel??????

Yeah, glow plugs will burn out after a while (naturally, without burning the
tips off), but if you get a good quality brand (like from ford or international)
they will last twice as long a cheap brand or so I've been told by a diesel
mechanic.

Moses

Sam Weatherby wrote:
>
> >1. Make sure the automatic glow plug system works. A number of people
> will
>
> Yes, it was glow plugs not injectors my dad had troubles with. He often had
> to cycle them twice to start it when it was real cold.
> That could easily have contributed to there eary deaths...
> -srw
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:25:09 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Start Problems/Gear-reduced Starters

Wayne asked:

Are those the starters like the ones the after-market is selling as a "high
torque mini." I have priced out the ones called "Mean Green" and they are
pretty expensive. If you have had good experience with these then maybe the
info on where to get them for cheaper than $400 would benefit all of us to....


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