80-96-list-digest Friday, December 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 405



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: A note on language
FTE 80-96 - Oil Pressure Gauge
FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems
FTE 80-96 - TB pin
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gearing and blowby
Re: FTE 80-96 - FIPK???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and camber
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
FTE 80-96 - Front Disc Pads
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need opinions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID
Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302
Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
FTE 80-96 - OD Tranny's.
RE: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351
RE: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks
RE: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351
Re: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351
FTE 80-96 - hard starting
Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - hard starting
Re: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351
Re: FTE 80-96 - OD Tranny's.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure
FTE 80-96 - smoke
FTE 80-96 - Great Response on Classaction regarding E4OD Transmisions
Re: FTE 80-96 - smoke
FTE 80-96 - Inline-six
Re: FTE 80-96 - smoke

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:47:00 -0600
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

Joe -

If your gear select lever has a button to turn off the overdrive (and is
probably labeled OVERDRIVE with the OFF part illuminated when selected), you
most likely have an E4OD.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 06:53:19 -0600
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

"Now I would like to share my problem. I own a 87 Bronco with a 351. The
truck has 175,000 miles and runs great (The oil has been changed every 3000
miles religiously!. Recently the truck has developed a problem with the oil
pressure gauge indicating low pressure. When the condition first occurred,
the indicator of the gauge would swing completely to the left and the engine
light would illuminate. I replaced the sender unit and it seemed to solve
the problem for about a week. Now the condition occurs only after the truck
is warmed-up and after driven at highway speeds."

I had an '87 Bronco with a 302 that had 131,000 miles on it when I purchased
it - and after going through three sending units in a year, I decided that
enough was enough and put on a mechanical gauge. (I grounded the wire that
originally connected to the oil sending unit so that the dash gauge would
read full high so I wouldn't have to tape over the "Check Engine" light.
) After putting on the mechanical gauge, I found out that my oil
pressure was ~15psi hot, idling in Drive and ran around 30-40psi when
driving. (The factory spec is between 40-60psi 2000rpm hot, and I was
running 40-45.)

I wouldn't trust the factory gauges as far as I could throw 'em. My present
'93 Bronco swings up to the middle of the NORMAL range when the truck is
running, but doesn't move corresponding to the RPM of the engine when hot,
which it should. I'm not THAT worried about my '93 - I change my oil
religiously at 3000 miles and keep close tabs on the oil level (I check it
at EVERY fillup!). I imagine I'll put a mechanical gauge on there
eventually, though.

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:04:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: A note on language

This email is not targeted at any individual, rather it
is presented to all list members as a friendly reminder.

Over the past several days, there have been postings on
some of the groups containing inappropriate language.
While my language in my personal life isn't always as
clean as it should be, I maintain (and so does Keith Srb,
admin of several of the lists) a standard on the lists
so that they'll be appropriate for all audiences.

I want to remind everyone that we have people from all
walks of life and all age groups on our lists. Ford
Truck Enthusiasts does not censor content nor moderate
message activity. However, because we are a forum
available to the public, we do have filters in place to
reject emails containing certain words.

Getting around these filters with ***, --- and other
such characters defeats the purpose of the filters.
While saying "I made an *ss of myself" is appropriate,
using the "s" and "f" words is not. Although the TV
networks don't have the highest standards, they do
maintain some standards. So the rule of thumb is if
they don't say it on afternoon TV (ie, when the kids
are watching), then it doesn't belong on FTE.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 07:15:39 -0600
From: Zachary Colvin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pressure Gauge

It has been my experience that the factory oil pressure guages wear out
after a while. As for the gauge showing a loss in pressure after the
engine gets worn, that is usually an indication of main bearing wear. I
wouldn't worry about it though. My first truck's oil pressure guage
would show no oil pressure after it got warmed up. I just ignored the
guage because I couldn't afford to have it fixed. True, the engine
finally blew up after a couple of years, but that was because the intake
valve on the number four cylinder got bent, and pushed its way through
the piston and cylinder wall.

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:40:23 -0400
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems

I have a 1983 F100 with no a/c. I am having an intermitenetd problem
with the 3 spd blower motor. Some mornings the motor will not work on
any speed immediately after starting the vehicle. Some time after...
maybe 30 sec to 5 minutes it will just start by its self (if the blower
switch is on ). Any idea's?

- --
*************************************
J.A. Bowman
'83 F100, "Big Red"
email: jbowman MTT.CA
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:29:34 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?

Chris,

They just referenced the motors, not the model, if it is a 5.0 or 5.8 with
the same filter then it should work. I am not up on Lightnings but even with
mass air there is one you can put on it.

I keep meaning to look in my manuals when I get home and see all the
different kinds of fuel delivery systems and keep forgetting, Are the
lightning's air intake different from the standard EFI?

Scott

> > BTW, the K&N p/n for the FPIK with out mass air is 57-2503 for both the
> 5.0
> > and the 5.8, with mass air the number is 57-2510 for the 5.0 L only,
> there
> > is no listing of the 5.8 L in '95 having mass air.
>
> Din't see a listing for the Lightning did you?
> Chris
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:05:46 -0600
From: Zachary Colvin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems

Sounds to me like the starter windings on the fan motor have worn out, or
the bearings are going bad. I believe that if you replace the motor, your
problems will end.

"Bowman, John A" wrote:

> I have a 1983 F100 with no a/c. I am having an intermitenetd problem
> with the 3 spd blower motor. Some mornings the motor will not work on
> any speed immediately after starting the vehicle. Some time after...
> maybe 30 sec to 5 minutes it will just start by its self (if the blower
> switch is on ). Any idea's?
>
> --
> *************************************
> J.A. Bowman
> '83 F100, "Big Red"
> email: jbowman MTT.CA
> ************************************
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:15:42 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TB pin

Dave Slotter writes: >>Since the pin fell out while driving, I don't have
the exact dimensions, but it is about 6-8 mm in diameter and about 2 inches
long and has a flange on the end that keeps the linkage from sliding off.

Until you can find a new hardened pin of the correct proportions, why not
take a common builders nail and cut it to length and drill a hole in it for
the cotter/hitch pin and use that. If you are close to a GOOD farm supply
store they carry many sizes of pins for various farm implements. Might try
them!!! Also try the wrecking yards!!!

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:40:31 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

In a message dated 98-12-02 17:37:31 EST, you write:


you could go to the autoparts store with a pic of the shape of the pan and
the
number of bolts in the pan ( automatics anyway )and that should tell you by
the shape of the pan and the number of bolts >>
Thanks... I will do that. It seems that my trans is inconsistently slipping
in first. It has been rebuilt already and only has 45K on the rebuild, 82K
overall. I can't make it slip, and it only seems to do it on a cold startup,
and only once, then it's fine. Anybody know if there are any vacumn
connections to the trans?

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in Jersey
92 F-150 NITE
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:58:47 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gearing and blowby

a 460 will only get you about 8mpg. Don't go there!!! As for gearing, I
would recommend going down to a 4.10 ratio or so for the taller tire. you
might wind up right where you're at.

good luck!

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:59:57 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FIPK???

In a message dated 98-12-03 02:08:32 EST, you write:


>>
Keep in mind when you use that kit that you are sucking up turbulent, hot air.
This may not be a concern at thhis time of the year, but come summer time, you
will notice a diffrence in performance.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:04:56 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

In a message dated 98-12-03 07:54:41 EST, you write:


Joe -

If your gear select lever has a button to turn off the overdrive (and is
probably labeled OVERDRIVE with the OFF part illuminated when selected), you
most likely have an E4OD.
>>
I do not have that. Does that mean that I have an AOD?

Joe
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:10:35 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

> Thanks... I will do that. It seems that my trans is inconsistently slipping
> in first. It has been rebuilt already and only has 45K on the rebuild, 82K
> overall. I can't make it slip, and it only seems to do it on a cold startup,
> and only once, then it's fine. Anybody know if there are any vacumn
> connections to the trans?
>
After a cold start up, try shifting to neutral and letting it idle for a
few (10-20) seconds, then see if it slips. If it dowsn't, I'd say it's
just ATF draining out of the converter.
- --
Andre
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:25:05 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wide tires and camber

This past spring I bought a 95 F-150 4x4 for my son on his college
graduation. The truck came with 32 x 11.50 tires on the optional chrome
rims. Tread was a little shy of 50% and showed no unusual wear. Being
aware of Ford's camber problems I checked carefully before finalizing the
deal. Recently we replaced the tires with BFG Trail T/As in 30 x 9.50.
With about 2,000 miles on them they are showing pretty pronounced wear on
the outer edges. My questions: is camber affected by tire width or do wide
tires require a different camber adjustment? We suspect the camber was set
with the wider tires installed. Another possibility is that we had to
replace the front spindle on one side and wonder if that could have affected
the camber. The shop that did the spindle did not mention need for
re-alignment after installing it.

Larry
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:25:36 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

In a message dated 98-12-03 13:19:55 EST, you write:


few (10-20) seconds, then see if it slips. If it dowsn't, I'd say it's
just ATF draining out of the converter.
--
Andre >>
Andre,
Should ATF be draining out of the converter? I've put over 45K on this truck
and really haven't had too many problems. This problem started happening 3
days ago. if its ATF draining, where does it go? shouldn't I be showing an
overfill on the dipstick?

Thanks again..

Joe
Lost in jersey
92 NITE
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:23:11 -0500
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front Disc Pads

Gotta run thanks agian!!!!!





NOM



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NAME: Norman J. Maranda Jr.
TITLE: SENIOR STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
E-MAIL ADDRESS: nmaranda gdeb.com
WORK #: (860) 433-1652
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:34:33 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

Have to ID the tranny first.


ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-12-02 17:37:31 EST, you write:
>
>
> you could go to the autoparts store with a pic of the shape of the pan and
> the
> number of bolts in the pan ( automatics anyway )and that should tell you by
> the shape of the pan and the number of bolts >>
> Thanks... I will do that. It seems that my trans is inconsistently slipping
> in first. It has been rebuilt already and only has 45K on the rebuild, 82K
> overall. I can't make it slip, and it only seems to do it on a cold startup,
> and only once, then it's fine. Anybody know if there are any vacumn
> connections to the trans?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> Lost in Jersey
> 92 F-150 NITE
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:36:22 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

Possibly, or maybe the AODE. What does the sticker on the door post tell you for
a tranny code?


ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-12-03 07:54:41 EST, you write:
>
>
> Joe -
>
> If your gear select lever has a button to turn off the overdrive (and is
> probably labeled OVERDRIVE with the OFF part illuminated when selected), you
> most likely have an E4OD.
> >>
> I do not have that. Does that mean that I have an AOD?
>
> Joe
> Lost in Jersey
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:34:40 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

Hey everybody,

After figuring out that I really only need bigger tires and not an entire
suspension system, I have decided on a body lift. Anybody have any
suggestions on brands, what not to do, what to lookout for, installing tips?

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in Jersey
92 F-150 NITE
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:07:07 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need opinions

Tell him to go get bent.

Rade
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From: FLR150 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 12:17 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Need opinions


>I have a quick question for all of you to reply on. I have recently been in
>contact with a gentleman (term used loosely at this point) with whom I have
>been setting up terms with to buy a set of used GT40 Iron heads from. At
our
>last conversation, I told him my address and that I had the check in hand
and
>to go ahead and send them. He stated that he would send them out Monday
>morning. I received an Email from him last night stating that he had a
better
>offer SATURDAY night and wants to start a bidding war on these heads.
Needless
>to say I am slightly at the boiling point here and feel rather slighted.
>Now where I come from, once the deal has been agreed on a man is not any
>better than his word. Do all of you think I have a right to be pi**ed off
here
>or am I just throwing a tantrum. Let me know.
>Wayne Foy
>'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:45:25 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

ACMERCG aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-12-03 13:19:55 EST, you write:
>
>
> few (10-20) seconds, then see if it slips. If it dowsn't, I'd say it's
> just ATF draining out of the converter.
> --
> Andre >>
> Andre,
> Should ATF be draining out of the converter? I've put over 45K on this truck
> and really haven't had too many problems. This problem started happening 3
> days ago. if its ATF draining, where does it go? shouldn't I be showing an
> overfill on the dipstick?
>
Some transmissions, and the ones I'm thinking of aren't Fords, have an
anti-drainback plug to keep the ATF in the converter. Thse things wear
out with time, but it doesn't affect the transmission much, except for
that 'no go' situation on start up.

Since the transmission has to come apart to fix it, people just live
with it. I don't know how much it would raise the dipstick, but you're
supposed to check it hot anyway, not cold, as the fluid expands quite a
bit.

- --
Andre
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:56:06 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351

Is there a firing order difference between any of the 351's and 302?


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:17:52 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

In a message dated 98-12-03 13:49:28 EST, you write:


you for
a tranny code?
>>
That area was replaced and repainted several years ago and hence, missing any
stickers of any sort.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:19:35 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trans ID

In a message dated 98-12-03 13:57:00 EST, you write:


anti-drainback plug to keep the ATF in the converter. Thse things wear
out with time, but it doesn't affect the transmission much, except for
that 'no go' situation on start up.

Since the transmission has to come apart to fix it, people just live
with it. I don't know how much it would raise the dipstick, but you're
supposed to check it hot anyway, not cold, as the fluid expands quite a
bit.
>>
ok, I see what happens when I go out later. Thanks again.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:33:33 EST
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

Joe you can also go with oversized coils it will cost a little more but you
won't see the ugly frame as you will with a body lift, they put larger coils
in and new alignment cams its under 250 if u do it your self
Dwayne
so.cal.dez.
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:58:58 -0500
From: Mark Heidotting
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W vs. 302

CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote:
>
> ALSO,
>
> Do you think that it would be worth the money, say $300-$400, to get a 4-bbl
> and put it on the 351, or will i just flood it out with too much gas?

Naw, if you stick with a reasonable-sized carb like a 600. Most
people like Holleys because they tend to make the most power, but
they are also the highest-maintenance carb I know of. Edelbrock
makes a good carb, one of their 600s with electric choke should
work just fine, particularly on one of their Performer intakes.
(Not the performer-rpm; you need a bit more cam for one of those).
A good set of headers and a low-restiction exhaust would round out
the hop-up. It should be fun and powerful, but it'll still idle
smoothly and operate your accessories correctly.

Good Luck on the hopup.

Mark.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:14:07 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

I really don't mind the frame, plus I'll probably detail most of it when I
take the bed off to put the lift on. There's a lot of dirt and mud in there
that really needs to be cleaned out and some rust that needs to be sanded and
repainted with a nice glossy black. Plus Summit sells a kit for $60. All I
need to do is make up the bumper brackets and I'm good to go.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:33:19 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Joe Virga writes: >>The indicator of the gauge swings to the extreme left
whenever I come to a stop and then swings back to the normal position
(indicator is between the N and O) when I accelerate.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I suspect you have worn bearings -
too much clearance. You could be experiencing a clogged filter in the
pickup tube, but I suspect it is the bearings. Mains probably, but rods
and Mains most likely.

They can be replaced without removing the engine, but it takes time and
patience and good or better mechanical abilities.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:40:07 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - OD Tranny's.

Does anyone know what 5 spd manual tranny's Ford has used?
I am pondering a manual tranny swap for mt Lightning.
I will need a strong tranny, but don't reall yneed a real low first gear.
Thanks,
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'78 Monarch
'65 F100


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:07:59 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351

Actually, yes and no: there are several 302/5.0L cams that have been in
production. Most have a different firing order than the 351, but the 5.0 HO
had the 351 firing order, and the roller in my '95 5.0 truck has the same as
well.

Why? Don't know.

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX


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From: L WALTERS [mailto:bart gci.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:56 PM
To: trucks ford
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351


Is there a firing order difference between any of the 351's and 302?


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:20:58 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

Joe,

I got a 2" lift kit from J.C.Whitney for about 145 bucks. it comes with coil
springs and the extension brackets and a new camber bushing to do it right.
I also got an add a leaf for the rear to match for about 50 bucks (the total
was about 220 bucks). I have not put it on yet but I think it will be easier
than a body lift because all I am basically doing is raising it to the same
height as a F250.

If I am not mistaken don't you have to modify the steering box and all the
shift lever linkages to put on a body lift? Not to mention what else
interfaces to the body of the truck, hoses like the fuel line and the
electrical harnesses. Ummmm, IMHO sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

Scott

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>
> Joe you can also go with oversized coils it will cost a little more but
> you
> won't see the ugly frame as you will with a body lift, they put larger
> coils
> in and new alignment cams its under 250 if u do it your self
> Dwayne
> so.cal.dez.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:52 EST
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

i had one on a ranger.
it fit the tires but i just didn't like it so i took it off and put rancho 4x4
coils on the 2x4 ranger and eccentric cams for aligning it and it worked great
as opposed to the body lift. i could hit stuff twice as big and the front end
didn't bottom.
now i have a F 150 xcab bent beams the works.for me i learned my lesson by
doing it, had them both and I like the suspension better
Dwayne Jackson
so.cal.dez.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:13:46 EST
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Body lifts on F-Series trucks

Every thing else will work except steering and that comes in the kit. But yea
the suspension is a lot better
Dwayne Jackson
so.cal.dez.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:49:32 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351

At 04:07 PM 12/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Actually, yes and no: there are several 302/5.0L cams that have been in
>production. Most have a different firing order than the 351, but the 5.0 HO
>had the 351 firing order, and the roller in my '95 5.0 truck has the same as
>well.

All pre-modular V8 engine (exc. 302 [85-newer], 351, and 400):
1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

351, 400, 85-newer 302 engines:
1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

The different firing order was allegedly to relieve excessive bearing loads
(at least, that's what I was told by a fellow Ford devotee).

Oh, that 1985 date for 302's...it's an approximation. Ford phased the
new firing order in with certain models beginning 1985, then went global
on it in 1986. I think the first models with the revised firing order
were the Mustang GTs, Capri 5.0s, and Lincoln Marks.

You can use either firing order in any 302 or 351W, you just have to rearrange
the ignition wires to match the firing order. The camshafts are othewise
identical.









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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:31:09 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351

OK, now another question....i am gonna be 16 in about 3 months, i am wanting
to get a truck that i can drive, 4-wheel, etc. Do you think that:

1) i should raise it?

2) i should get a long bed, or short bed ( or does it really matter)?

3) what modifacations should i do that will make it better for 4-wheeling

THANKS for everyone's help

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:08:04 -0600
From: Joe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - hard starting

have owned a 95 f-150 v-8 302 efi for about a month now ,, ive been
starting it by just turning the key without pushing on the gas pedal,,
this has always worked fine ,, today i jumped in and it just cranked and
cranked ,, would not start , finally i pushed the gas pedal half way
down and it fired up and ran fine ,, ive owned fuel inj vehicles before
but this is my first ford ,, any ideas why it might do this suddenly ,,
thanks ,,


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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 05:46:33 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems

"Bowman, John A" wrote:
>
> I have a 1983 F100 with no a/c. I am having an intermitenetd problem
> with the 3 spd blower motor. Some mornings the motor will not work on
> any speed immediately after starting the vehicle. Some time after...
> maybe 30 sec to 5 minutes it will just start by its self (if the blower
> switch is on ). Any idea's?

You might check out the resistor assembly on the heater along with the
connections thereto.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:10:55 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - hard starting

Sounds like the Idle Air Bypass valve might be sticking. It is what allows
air around the closed throttl when starting.

Rade
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From: Joe
To: Ford-Trucks
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 1:05 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - hard starting


>have owned a 95 f-150 v-8 302 efi for about a month now ,, ive been
>starting it by just turning the key without pushing on the gas pedal,,
>this has always worked fine ,, today i jumped in and it just cranked and
>cranked ,, would not start , finally i pushed the gas pedal half way
>down and it fired up and ran fine ,, ive owned fuel inj vehicles before
>but this is my first ford ,, any ideas why it might do this suddenly ,,
>thanks ,,
>
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:37:59 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351

In answer to your questions.
1. Ifyou have the money you might consider it , but lifting a vehicle is
much more expensive than just the lift kit itself. You will also need
bigger tires, and probably regearing of the differentials. This is going to
cost you a considerable amount of money. My advice would be to stick with
the stock suspension for now. You will be amazed what you can do in stock
form with a little practice.

2. Only get a long bed if you need the cargo room, otherwise a short bed or
a Bronco (what I have) will be easier to manuver both on and off road. Of
course if you want a 3/4 ton you will have to get a long bed (or extended
cab).

3. As far as four wheeling mods the first thing will be a good set of tires
and shocks. I have a '90 Bronco with 31x10.50 BFG All Terrains and Rancho
5000 shocks in front and Rancho 9000 shocks in back. So far this has served
me pretty well on the trail (see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~2big/ to see some
shots of my and other Broncos in action. My next upgrade will be a locker
in the rear end probably a Lock-Rite or Detroit. Locking rear ends make a
BIG difference off road.
Hope this helps.

Rade
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From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re:302 vs. 351


>OK, now another question....i am gonna be 16 in about 3 months, i am
wanting
>to get a truck that i can drive, 4-wheel, etc. Do you think that:
>
>1) i should raise it?
>
>2) i should get a long bed, or short bed ( or does it really matter)?
>
>3) what modifacations should i do that will make it better for 4-wheeling
>
>THANKS for everyone's help
>
>-BART-
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:37:19 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - OD Tranny's.

not very tough ones that is for sure (I have an 88/89 5 speed F series)

they are made by Borg-Warner (t18), Mazda(M50D R2) and ZF (S5-42). All I
believe (I have 2 ZF wonders) have completely enclosed linkages and
clutches (the trans has to come out to replace the clutch). and HEAVEN
HELP YOU if the shift linkage goes bad (been there too).

George Hester

sam weatherby wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what 5 spd manual tranny's Ford has used?
> I am pondering a manual tranny swap for mt Lightning.
> I will need a strong tranny, but don't reall yneed a real low first gear.
> Thanks,
> -srw
>
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> SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
> '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
> '93 F-150 XLT Lightning
> '98 HD FXD Super Glide
> '78 Monarch
> '65 F100
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:49:51 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Blower Motor Problems

Hey, check the connection to the blower motor under the hood. my 89 e-250 did
the same thing and the problem was in the motor. I had to change it out 45.00
for a rebulit was the cheapest price I found it for. or you can go to a
junkyard.move the wire around at the motor, you can tell if the problem lies
there. good luck.

Joe
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 19:09:07 -0800
From: bob chaytor
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Low oil pressure

Recently the truck has developed a problem with
the oil pressure gauge indicating low pressure.

It sounds like a electrical gremlin ......The first thing you should do
is hard plumb a 0 to 100psi gauge in where the sender unit is and keep a
eye on it .

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:20:14 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - smoke

my truck is suddenly blowing white smoke from the exhaust. Why would
it do this?
shyanne




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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:50:30 EST
From: DantzlerRC aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Great Response on Classaction regarding E4OD Transmisions

> If you or know anyone that has had problems with there 1989 thru 1997
> ford vehicles that have the E4OD automatic transmission forward my email
> address to them.

Here's the body of post I wrote last December:

I got started reading this message board (and the Ford board also) because my
1995 Ford F350, Powerstroke, E4OD had a catastrophic transmission failure in
August. Like you, I feel that excessive heat is the major cause of
transmission failure. This truck pulls a 12,000-14,000 lb. horse trailer, but
the wife did not have the trailer on the trip when the failure occurred. Ford
replaced under warranty, no problem, except an extra 6 days spent away from
home. The mechanic would only say "factory defect" so I don't know what
happened, really. He said the torque converter failed. and the metal
particles dispersed throughout the transmission. New torque converter,
rebuilt transmission. My goal is to do whatever I can to get good
performance, and above all else, minimize the risk of another transmission
failure.

To bring you up to date, the transmission failed again this spring, and had
another complete rebuild and torque converter replacement. I sure hope that
history does not repeat itself, because it is no longer under warranty!

Good luck with the Class Action Suit. I'll keep watching the message board
for progress reports. Seems to me that there would be a better chance if
there were a safety-related issue involved. Are there any?
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:08:38 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - smoke

Is it doing it all the time? Or just under certain conditions, let us know.

Rade
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From: shy anne
To: ford maillist
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:24 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - smoke


>my truck is suddenly blowing white smoke from the exhaust. Why would
>it do this?
>shyanne
>
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