80-96-list-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 401



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan Gasket
FTE 80-96 - rust-proofing
FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts
FTE 80-96 - f250 tensioner pulley
FTE 80-96 - Ford 460's
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle
FTE 80-96 - Dirty 302 and 351
FTE 80-96 - Manual Locking Hubs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?
FTE 80-96 - cruise control
Fw: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dirty 302 and 351
Re: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle
FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?
FTE 80-96 - White smoke/antifreeze odor
FTE 80-96 - light throttle stumble
Re: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts
Re: FTE 80-96 - light throttle stumble
FTE 80-96 - 302 Stroker?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 07:26:37 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan Gasket

My '92 F150 302 oil pan gasket is giving way to the elements and
is leaking pretty good. What it the easiest way to change this
gasket?

Chuck
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:37:02 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - rust-proofing

If applied too thick, the "rustproofing" or undercoating just provides a
great
place for more rust to form. If it is applied thin it's OK, but you can
just use a hard,
chip-resistant poly paint on the frame, too.

Alot of guys like Eastwood Products for frame paint and rust converting
primer.
Here's their website:



Also, I bought some Rass-O-Nil rust converting primer (after picking
other's brains)
and found it to do what it claimed. There are other similar products out
there, too.
I just used a wire wheel to remove most of the rust and applied the stuff,
then applied the topcoat. A friend has even used it on a barn roof!

Here's the website with info:



Good luck, I'm not advertising these products, providing info!

Mike

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:40:51 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts

A body guy I know spot welds the bolt heads to the beds first.
Then he can get the nuts off.

The last bed I removed was headed to the scrap heap,
so I just used the air chisel, or cut them off with a cut-off wheel.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:54:27 EST
From: GoEIB1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - f250 tensioner pulley

I had a problem with my 92 F250 PSD. The tensioner pulley came out of the
engine block, fell down and beat up the fan blade. Anybody heard of this
before? Im thinking of writing a nasty letter to Ford.

Pete Gatchell
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:26:39 -0500
From: "Kerry Struble"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford 460's

I'm replacing the "after-market" 460 in my '80 f-250 4x4 with another 460.
The first engine had a mickey-moused p/s bracket. does anyone know what
years Ford Motor Co. offered factory 460's on f-series trucks? This will
give me something to go on when I go to a junkyard for the proper 460 p/s
bracket set-up.

KerryS

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:15:31 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?

Christopher Maher wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, you have just discovered why the small block Chevy is
> considered to be the best V8 ever made. (or at least one of them).
> I love my Ford (351) and it goes like a raped ape, but my cousin's Chevy 305
> will still dust me, and get 16 MPG to boot, compared to my 10 MPG. I don't
> know why, but the Chevy's always idle smoother and have more power than the
> comparable Ford engine.
> I hope I haven't blasphemed to badly.
>
> Christopher T. Maher
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kroger ucla.edu
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: November 28, 1998 8:18 PM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150
> 302?
>
> >Hi, just wonder if anybody has thoughts on this. I have an 88 F-150 4x4
> >302 4-speed auto overdrive. It has new slightly oversize tires (265/75x15,
> >instead of stock 235/75x15). That's 45mm (~1.75") oversize. Generally,
> >I can not break my back tires loose.
> >
> >I spent a week with my brother, who has a 94 (I think) GMC Sierra 1500 2x4
> >w/ 350 and 4-speed auto w/ overdrive. His truck is WAY quicker than
> >mine, more than the extra cubic inches should account for. Moreover, it
> >has throttle-body injection vs. the multi-port in my F-150. I can
> >break his tires loose at will, in fact, it's almost too easy. And
> >punching it into passing gear, the GMC has WAY more acceleration
> >than my Ford.
> >
> >Both trucks have about 70K miles and are in excellent shape (at least
> >I thought mine was).
> >
> >I know I'm probably a little heavier with the 4x4, but his has extended
> >cab and a fiberglass camper shell. His tires are stock.
> >
> >Is my motor that much weaker than his, or might this have to do with
> >my final drive ratio? I know the tires don't help. If anybody knows
> >what the gear and axle ratios on either of these trucks are that would
> >help.
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >PS - I posted about a wierd problem where my truck would start only
> >when jumping two posts on the solenoid then letting go. The problem
> >turned out to be a bad module in the distributor and stator. Works
> >fine now.

Send him my way and I will send him home thinking just like you are!
That 350 is junk. As is the 305...had a friend with the anniversary
camaro get dusted by a prelude with a women driver!

The extra cubes help, plus being two wheel drive. The gear ratios are
probably different that makes a difference and since tire size effects
gear ratios that hurts you also! On top of that the GMs usually have
transmissions with a lower first gear than the fords! As far as spinning
tires, GMs philosophy is to set the motor as far forward as
possible...thus giving less weight on the rear wheels!!!!
Anyway send that 350 my way
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:50:52 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?

Let me just start off by saying that I have always been a diehard Ford man,
but over the years of being a mechanic and working on pretty much everything
out there, I have made a few observations.
One is that Ford tends to play it too conservatively when it comes to
building cars, compared to GM. Look at how much a new Camaro is compared to
a Mustang. You also have to spend a lot more for a special model
(Lightning, Cobra Mustang, etc.) to do what a cheaper, more basic model
Chevy will do. I wish Ford would go out on a limb more like GM does, but
they are selling vehicles like crazy, so why bother, right?
The other thing I've noticed, is that while the small block Ford is a very
good engine, they tend to be very dirty motors. Take the valve covers off a
350 and take them off a 351 and you will see tons of sludge and crap in the
Ford motor that you don't see in a Chevy. And that's with regular oil
changes, not a neglected motor.
Also any Ford I've ever owned puked oil back into the air cleaner, through
the PCV breather, even with EFI. I have never understood this. My 77
Granada 302 did it, my 68 Mustang does it, and my 89 F150 351 does it,
(rebuilt engine now, we'll see soon enough).
And lastly, Ford has a terrible customer service policy, at least from my
experience. They act like they just don't care. All they are interested in
is selling new vehicles and God help you if you need warranty work.
These are just some observations I've made. Some of you may agree, and some
may not.
I still do love my F150, the interior is far more comfortable than any
Chevy, and as far as I'm concerned it still looks like a truck. And it still
goes like all hell, alas it does gulp the gasoline.

Christopher Maher
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From: Garr&Pam
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: November 29, 1998 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my
F-150 302?


>Christopher Maher wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, you have just discovered why the small block Chevy is
>> considered to be the best V8 ever made. (or at least one of them).
>> I love my Ford (351) and it goes like a raped ape, but my cousin's Chevy
305
>> will still dust me, and get 16 MPG to boot, compared to my 10 MPG. I
don't
>> know why, but the Chevy's always idle smoother and have more power than
the
>> comparable Ford engine.
>> I hope I haven't blasphemed to badly.
>>
>> Christopher T. Maher
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kroger ucla.edu
>> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: November 28, 1998 8:18 PM
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150
>> 302?
>>
>> >Hi, just wonder if anybody has thoughts on this. I have an 88 F-150 4x4
>> >302 4-speed auto overdrive. It has new slightly oversize tires
(265/75x15,
>> >instead of stock 235/75x15). That's 45mm (~1.75") oversize. Generally,
>> >I can not break my back tires loose.
>> >
>> >I spent a week with my brother, who has a 94 (I think) GMC Sierra 1500
2x4
>> >w/ 350 and 4-speed auto w/ overdrive. His truck is WAY quicker than
>> >mine, more than the extra cubic inches should account for. Moreover, it
>> >has throttle-body injection vs. the multi-port in my F-150. I can
>> >break his tires loose at will, in fact, it's almost too easy. And
>> >punching it into passing gear, the GMC has WAY more acceleration
>> >than my Ford.
>> >
>> >Both trucks have about 70K miles and are in excellent shape (at least
>> >I thought mine was).
>> >
>> >I know I'm probably a little heavier with the 4x4, but his has extended
>> >cab and a fiberglass camper shell. His tires are stock.
>> >
>> >Is my motor that much weaker than his, or might this have to do with
>> >my final drive ratio? I know the tires don't help. If anybody knows
>> >what the gear and axle ratios on either of these trucks are that would
>> >help.
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance for any help.
>> >
>> >Jim
>> >
>> >
>> >PS - I posted about a wierd problem where my truck would start only
>> >when jumping two posts on the solenoid then letting go. The problem
>> >turned out to be a bad module in the distributor and stator. Works
>> >fine now.
>
>Send him my way and I will send him home thinking just like you are!
>That 350 is junk. As is the 305...had a friend with the anniversary
>camaro get dusted by a prelude with a women driver!
>
>The extra cubes help, plus being two wheel drive. The gear ratios are
>probably different that makes a difference and since tire size effects
>gear ratios that hurts you also! On top of that the GMs usually have
>transmissions with a lower first gear than the fords! As far as spinning
>tires, GMs philosophy is to set the motor as far forward as
>possible...thus giving less weight on the rear wheels!!!!
>Anyway send that 350 my way
>Chris
>94 Lightning
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:16:29 EST
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle

Hi everyone,
The exhaust system in my truck('92 F-150 xlt 4x4 302) makes a strange rattle
at anything above idle. At first it sounded like bad lifters but i have since
heard this on many late model ford trucks. Is this a common problem with ford
trucks? how can i remedy this? It's kinda annoying. BTW-It seems to be coming
from the catalytic converter area.

Thanks,
Tom
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:31:56 EST
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?

In a message dated 11/29/98 7:57:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
lichris villagenet.com writes:


good engine, they tend to be very dirty motors. Take the valve covers off a
350 and take them off a 351 and you will see tons of sludge and crap in the
Ford motor that you don't see in a Chevy. And that's with regular oil
changes, not a neglected motor.
Also any Ford I've ever owned puked oil back into the air cleaner, through
the PCV breather, even with EFI. >>

I agree that Ford small blocks are great engines!
My first car was an '85 Crown Vic police package 351v-8. The motor in this
beast was extremely dirty( I should mention that it had 160,000 miles on it).
The oil would be as black as coal at every oil change!
That thing also constantly had oil in the air cleaner. It was this car though
that led me to stick with Ford when i wanted a truck.
Sorry for my rambling on about a car, but i just miss having a car to beat on.


Tom
'92 F-150XLT 4x4
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:55:56 -0600
From: "Bruce Morgan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle

I had a 1990 F-150 that did the same thing. On mine it was the heat shield
on the catalytic converter loose. It is held on by 4 spot welds and one of
them came off. I took it to a friend that had a wire fed welder and in
minutes no more rattles. I hope this is your problem to, since it is an
easy fix.

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From: TMac79 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 3:32 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle


>Hi everyone,
> The exhaust system in my truck('92 F-150 xlt 4x4 302) makes a strange
rattle
>at anything above idle. At first it sounded like bad lifters but i have
since
>heard this on many late model ford trucks. Is this a common problem with
ford
>trucks? how can i remedy this? It's kinda annoying. BTW-It seems to be
coming
>from the catalytic converter area.
>
>Thanks,
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:06:49 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dirty 302 and 351

Boy I guessed I missed out here ;
Just had valve covers and oil pans off
of a 302 and a 351W with well over 100K on them.
They were real clean,
must have been lucky!

Mike

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:56:55 -0500
From: "Eric"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Manual Locking Hubs

I recently replaced the auto locking hubs w/ manuals on my '94 Ranger.

Will I cause any damage (aside from decreased gas mileage) if I leave the
hubs locked for an extended period of time without the t-case/4WD being
engaged?

With the hubs locked (or unlocked/free for that matter), can I use the
pushbutton to activate and deactivate the 4WD/t-case while the truck is
moving? Is there any concern with speeds here?

Thanks,

Eric S. - '94 Ranger Splash SuperCab 4x4 - Titusville, PA




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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:09:47 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?

Let me just start off by saying that I have always been a diehard Ford
man, but over the years of being a mechanic and working on pretty much
everything out there, I have made a few observations.
One is that Ford tends to play it too conservatively when it comes to
building cars, compared to GM. Look at how much a new Camaro is
compared to a Mustang. You also have to spend a lot more for a special
model (Lightning, Cobra Mustang, etc.) to do what a cheaper, more basic
model Chevy will do. I wish Ford would go out on a limb more like GM
does, but they are selling vehicles like crazy, so why bother, right?
The other thing I've noticed, is that while the small block Ford is a
very good engine, they tend to be very dirty motors. Take the valve
covers off a 350 and take them off a 351 and you will see tons of sludge
and crap in the Ford motor that you don't see in a Chevy. And that's
with regular oil changes, not a neglected motor.

Lightnings will do more than match what the Chevrolets do...even thier
special editions(350SS and 454SS)! As faar as Cobras costing more...sure
but you get more than better performance...drive a camaro brand new off
the lot and it rattles ride is horrible compared to the mustang! How
many Chevy owners use thier trucks for work compared to Ford owners.
I had a guy tell me at a tire shop that taurus was rated the number tire
eater....I guess so when its the number 1 sold car so it was probably
driven the most too!

Also any Ford I've ever owned puked oil back into the air cleaner,
through the PCV breather, even with EFI. I have never understood this.
My 77 Granada 302 did it, my 68 Mustang does it, and my 89 F150 351 does
it, (rebuilt engine now, we'll see soon enough).
And lastly, Ford has a terrible customer service policy, at least from
my experience. They act like they just don't care. All they are
interested in is selling new vehicles and God help you if you need
warranty work. These are just some observations I've made. Some of you
may agree, and some may not.

Mine doesn't do that. I agree Ford is behind in the horsepower war...but
I let you in on another secret...Chevy puts more of a percentage of
thier power to the ground...they don't loose as much in the
drivetrain...wish I know how?

> I still do love my F150, the interior is far more comfortable than any
> Chevy, and as far as I'm concerned it still looks like a truck. And it still
> goes like all hell, alas it does gulp the gasoline.

Amen to the gaas hog!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:10:29 -0600
From: Debra & Gary Rosema
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

I'm the proud owner of a cherry 1984 F250 w/460 V8, 4sp manual, a/c and
cruise. With only 125K, the truck runs well but recently developed an
irritating problem with the cruise control. When push the set button to
set the cruise speed, the truck accelerates right past the desired speed
and keeps going. Everything else works - brake switch interrupts,
on/off button etc.

My Haynes manual offers no info on cruise control. I found the circuit
in the wiring diagram but it fails to show the individual commands by
wire.

Any ideas?
Gary Rosema, WI

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:35:00 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Fw: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my F-150 302?

a friend of mine bought the new camaro with the 200 hp 6 cylinder. He is
always talking about smokin the mustangs with the 6. He want to get a hold
on the mustang gt. He thinks he can take it or at least make the guy feel
sorry he paid $5000 more for a mustang when a base model camaro keeps up
with it.
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From: Christopher Maher
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why is my brother's GMC 350 way faster than my
F-150 302?


>One is that Ford tends to play it too conservatively when it comes to
>building cars, compared to GM. Look at how much a new Camaro is compared
to
>a Mustang. You also have to spend a lot more for a special model
>(Lightning, Cobra Mustang, etc.) to do what a cheaper, more basic model
>Chevy will do. I wish Ford would go out on a limb more like GM does, but
>they are selling vehicles like crazy, so why bother, right?


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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:54:41 -0800
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dirty 302 and 351

130K on my 351 and theyre still clean.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Redden
To: 80-96-List
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 3:15 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dirty 302 and 351


>Boy I guessed I missed out here ;
>Just had valve covers and oil pans off
>of a 302 and a 351W with well over 100K on them.
>They were real clean,
>must have been lucky!
>
>Mike
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:07:36 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts

Mike,
Not a bad idea. I have to replace those six bolts now. The problem
is, the square for the should is now rounded and won't hold-fast the
new bolts. I was considering using Ch*vy bolts (mmmm
sacrilicious...it's a Simpsons thing), because they have the Torx head
and I could keep them from turning while torquing the nuts down. I
think I'll go w/the Ford bolts and the tack weld idea, I like it,
thanks.

Later,
Brew

Michael Redden wrote:
>
> A body guy I know spot welds the bolt heads to the beds first.
> Then he can get the nuts off.
>
> The last bed I removed was headed to the scrap heap,
> so I just used the air chisel, or cut them off with a cut-off wheel.
>
> Mike
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:10:00 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle

Mac,
I agree w/Bruce, the heat shield has probably either broken loose or
rusted loose. Should be pretty easy to check, get under there and see
if you can move it, but please wait until it's cooled down.

Later,
Brew

TMac79 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> The exhaust system in my truck('92 F-150 xlt 4x4 302) makes a strange rattle
> at anything above idle. At first it sounded like bad lifters but i have since
> heard this on many late model ford trucks. Is this a common problem with ford
> trucks? how can i remedy this? It's kinda annoying. BTW-It seems to be coming
> from the catalytic converter area.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:25:18 EST
From: SpyderLv81 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?

I just bought a 95 F-150 with the 351 in it. I was just curious if any one
knows how much HP and Torque It puts out factory. This thing has what looks
like factory sway-bars also. Is this standard or are they aftermarket? Does
anyone have any ideas how I can get some more performance out of it without to
much money.

Spyder2
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:45:00 EST
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Anyone Know about 95 f-150?

Got one but its got a I6 in it. It also has sway bars they were on the truck
when I got it
d Jackson
so cal dezzz.
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:15:59 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - White smoke/antifreeze odor

Hello guys,
I have an 89 e-250 300 6cyl. with 181k on it.I replaced alot of parts on this
van. The whole cooling system. I get a antifreeze odor when I first start it
up, but no leaks at all.What could it be? I just noticed a little white smoke
puffing out the tailpipe, and my oil pressure drops when the oil gets hot.
(new oil press sender) I checked the oil and did not find any water in the
oil, a few bubbles on the stick. but no milky appearance in the oil. What
could this be? Head gasket??? Thanks.

Joe/ JSC721
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:00:22 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: FTE 80-96 - light throttle stumble

I have a 92 F-150 with a problem. Thanks in advance to anyone who might
have any ideas.

The truck has a 302/AOD combo with 154 K miles. I bought it new and have
been very pleased with it overall.

Now the problem. While in high gear it has a bad stumble/miss when under
light throttle/increasing load conditions. Example: Cruising at at 55 and
starting to go up a hill. It will stumble/miss if you just give it enough
gas to maintain your speed up the hill. If you give it enough throttle to
make it downshift the problem instantly goes away. It was especially bad
today while towing my racecar. It just started havig this problem recently.

My observations are: It does it while running on either tank and the gas
in each tank came from different places, so that rules out bad gas or a bad
fuel pump. Since it doesn't do it at higher rpms, I don't think it has a
clogged fuel filter (changed it 6 K miles ago). No codes are set in the
computer.

I think It might be a bad fuel pressure regulator. When the truck is
accelerating or downshifts the vacum is different than at cruise. I checked
the vacum line and it is okay. As I test I plugged the vacum line and
left the nipple on the regulator open. The problem was the same. It
seems to me that if my regulator was working correctly then it should have
had some effect when it was unhooked. I connected a vacum pump to the
regulator and it held good vacum. This shows the diaphram is good, but I
think the spring pressure may be wrong. It's not allowing enough fuel
through under high vacum (light throttle) conditions. When I applied vacum
to it with the engine running the idle speed increased. Could it have
been leaning out the fuel mixture to cause the idle increase?

I hope I'm on the right track here. Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks,

David Cole

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:10:09 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts

The newer fords have the torx heads too. I think from 92 on, I don't
remember exactly. I took the box off my 87 when I put a body lift in and
taking them out was easy except one, I didn't want to use the torch to heat
it up since it was right next to the gas line, had to cut it off carefully.
The only problem I had was putting the front two back on, when I tightened
them down I pulled them right through the box. Oops. So be carefull not to
overtighten like I did.
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From: Randy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Frozen bed bolts


>Mike,
>Not a bad idea. I have to replace those six bolts now. The problem
>is, the square for the should is now rounded and won't hold-fast the
>new bolts. I was considering using Ch*vy bolts (mmmm
>sacrilicious...it's a Simpsons thing), because they have the Torx head
>and I could keep them from turning while torquing the nuts down. I
>think I'll go w/the Ford bolts and the tack weld idea, I like it,
>thanks.
>
>Later,
>Brew
>
>Michael Redden wrote:
>>
>> A body guy I know spot welds the bolt heads to the beds first.
>> Then he can get the nuts off.
>>
>> The last bed I removed was headed to the scrap heap,
>> so I just used the air chisel, or cut them off with a cut-off wheel.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> michael redden enter.net
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:39:58 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - light throttle stumble

Get a fuel pressure guare and plug it into the valve on the fuel rail. With
the fuel system pressurized and the engine off you should be at 35-45 psi,
with the engine running at idle you should be at 30-45 psi. Another thing
to check would be that perhap one of the injectors is not working or
clogged.

Rade
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From: David Cole
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 5:03 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - light throttle stumble


>I have a 92 F-150 with a problem. Thanks in advance to anyone who might
>have any ideas.
>
>The truck has a 302/AOD combo with 154 K miles. I bought it new and have
>been very pleased with it overall.
>
>Now the problem. While in high gear it has a bad stumble/miss when under
>light throttle/increasing load conditions. Example: Cruising at at 55 and
>starting to go up a hill. It will stumble/miss if you just give it enough
>gas to maintain your speed up the hill. If you give it enough throttle to
>make it downshift the problem instantly goes away. It was especially bad
>today while towing my racecar. It just started havig this problem
recently.
>
>My observations are: It does it while running on either tank and the gas
>in each tank came from different places, so that rules out bad gas or a bad
>fuel pump. Since it doesn't do it at higher rpms, I don't think it has a
>clogged fuel filter (changed it 6 K miles ago). No codes are set in the
>computer.
>
>I think It might be a bad fuel pressure regulator. When the truck is
>accelerating or downshifts the vacum is different than at cruise. I checked
>the vacum line and it is okay. As I test I plugged the vacum line and
>left the nipple on the regulator open. The problem was the same. It
>seems to me that if my regulator was working correctly then it should have
>had some effect when it was unhooked. I connected a vacum pump to the
>regulator and it held good vacum. This shows the diaphram is good, but I
>think the spring pressure may be wrong. It's not allowing enough fuel
>through under high vacum (light throttle) conditions. When I applied vacum
>to it with the engine running the idle speed increased. Could it have
>been leaning out the fuel mixture to cause the idle increase?
>
>I hope I'm on the right track here. Any ideas would be helpful.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David Cole
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:49:03 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 Stroker?

While reading through my SVO catalog during some "quality time" (on the
porcalin throne) last night I was thinking that it might be a better idea to
get a stroker 302 when the time comes to rebuild the 302 in my Bronco
instead of upgrading to a 351. So I wanted to throw the idea out and see
what people thought of it.
I know the 351 would be less hassle and the block itself is sturdier than a
302 block, but I think the stroked 302 has some definite advantages
- --More aftermarket parts for the 302 (especially those of us with EFI)
- --If I want a beefier block I can always get a Boss 302 block from SVO with
4 bolt mains
- --I could do it to my current 302, instead of shopping around for a 351.
I do not need massive amounts of HP to make me happy, so I think the little
extra I got from a stroked 302 would be enough for me. Any feed back would
be appreciated.

Rade
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:00:12 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust rattle

there are these little clamps that go around the front part of
the leaf springs. These things drove me nuts for about a month,
sounds like your are doing the same

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