80-96-list-digest Saturday, November 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 399



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - update
FTE 80-96 - Bed size
Re: FTE 80-96 - Horsepower Rating for 302
FTE 80-96 - Re: Sunbeam Tiger
FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96: Install CD reciever in dash of 80-86 Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fans
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Classaction Suit Against FORD!
FTE 80-96 - re :Timing Question
FTE 80-96 - Re: HP and Torque rating
FTE 80-96 - 1990 ford f250 pickup noisy fuel pump
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Chat page
Re: FTE 80-96 - Install CD receiver in dash of 80-86 Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Install CD receiver in dash of 80-86 Bronco

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 05:23:03 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - update

Hi, last week I posted a message telling everybody that my grandparents
finally got their farm and I asked about a F-250. Well the good news is
that they still are getting the farm, the bad news is that some body
came along and said that a F-150 would be fine for plowing one driveway.
The problem is, is that I do not know if they are aware of what they
will be doing on the farm. Once again I want your wonderful advice once
again, and I want your thoughts. Here is what they want: a used truck
with low miles, 4x4, under $15,000, good condition, possibly with a
snowplow.
I keep telling them that Ford trucks last forever if well maintained. Is
it possible for them to get a F-250 with everything I told you they
wanted above?? Just in case you forgot they will be raising alpacka's,
baby doll sheep(i think that's what they are called), will be plowing
their driveway only, will be doing tons of work to the house(needs lots
of work), and they love doing yard work.
IF they get a F-150 what will happen to it when doing all of this work??
My dad has a F-150 I6, and he loves it, but he can't see it doing farm
work, especially what they are planning on doing. With your guys help I
think we can convince them in getting a F-250(hopefully).
Sorry for long message once again!!

Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 05:29:37 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bed size

Hi,
Was wondering what the size difference is with the following trucks.
This is saying they are between 87's and 96's.

- - Ranger Reg Cab
- - Ranger Ext. Cab
- - F-150 reg. cab
- - F-150 ext. cab
- - F-150 crew cab (is their suck a thing?)
- - F-150 reg cab longbed
- - F-150 ext. cab longbed
- - F-250 reg cab
- - F-250 reg cab longbed
- - F-250 ext. cab
- - F-250 ext. cab longbed
- - F-250 crew cab
- - F-250 crew cab longbed
and the F-350's

IF it is a 4x4 does it have an affect on bed size??


Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:44:10 -0800
From: "Matt and Deidre"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Horsepower Rating for 302

Yeah that is what I call horsepower. What do you call brains?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bowman, John A
To: Ford Truck Discussion Group
Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 10:55 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Horsepower Rating for 302


>I have an '83 F100 with a 302, 2bbl, 3 spd auto with 53K miles that is
>bone stock and runs like a top. What would be the horsepower rating?
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:25:24 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Sunbeam Tiger

The tiger was a nice, very fast little car. The Cad Allard was a pure barn
burner. You could go racing with it right out of the box and really kick a*#.

In the mid to late fifties a lot of us morons (teenagers) put Ford flatheads
into MG TCs (boy what sacrilege) and TDs. They were pretty good runners if
you didn't drop the clutch too suddenly. The driveline definitely was not up
to the flathead's torque. The fit was a little tight and the front of the
lower part of the hoods had to be removed to allow for clearance of the heads.
The cooling system was very marginal, especially in New Mexico.

They were quick little cars but required a lot of work to keep them on the
road.

Flatheads Forever!!

Butch Davis-
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:46:58 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96: Install CD reciever in dash of 80-86 Bronco

Dave, I am not sure on how to do this myself,but point your browser to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bigbroncos.com and ask one of the guys on the list.Great
group;lots of info on Broncos.If you can't get an answer there,it's
hopeless.

Randy Goolsby,LaCenter,WA.94 Bronco EB 85 F-250 4X4"the Second
Amendment guarantees all the others"
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:35:09 -0600
From: "bikerdan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch Fans

>
> Can anyone tell me how you determine whether or not a clutch fan is
working
> properly?

Short version:
with the engine OFF, if you can get the fan blade to spin while feeling a
noticeable resistance in the
fan clutch it's o.k.
I had to cut the big nut that holds the clutch on my diesel to get the
thing off...left hand threads don't forget
no fun was had on this one
good luck
Dan
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:44:03 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Classaction Suit Against FORD!

you know I dont know what tranny i have in my truck but it stinks its got a
20 blot pan what type is that???
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:10:57 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re :Timing Question

Chris, this is absolutely normal...........NOTHING is wrong with your truck.
As long as it's at 10 degrees btdc with the spout disconnected, it is set
correctly. When you connect the SPOUT back up, the computer is adjusting the
timing automatically as it's supposed to do. My truck is the same way. Don't
sweat it.
Walt


Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:13:15 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
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Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Idle Problem and timing question

Speaking of idle problems, my hunting idle problem turned out to be a bad
voltage regulator causing the BYP (IAC) valve to freak out. BTW, does
anyone know what the computer typically keeps the timing at when idling on a
5.8 EFI motor? I know the base timing is set at 10 BTDC, but when I plug
the spout back in it runs at about 25 BTDC and this seems a little advanced
to me. And if it is wrong, could a bad TFI module cause this?

Christopher T. Maher

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:00:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: HP and Torque rating

Should be 205 hp 4000 and 275 ft-lbs 3000.


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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:32:22 -0500
From: Marlene
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1990 ford f250 pickup noisy fuel pump

i have a 1990 ford f250 pickup that is making a vibration noise in the
area of the fuel tanks. when i switch from the rear tank to the front
tank the noise goes away.has anyone had this problem or have any ideas?


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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:46:27 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Chat page

To those who've wondered when the chat page is going to be
back up.... I've been testing out the chat engine we used
in the spring (the one that would hang up every 2-3 days).
On the new server, it doesn't seem to have the hanging
problems. 2-3 more days of testing and it will be online.
This chat server doesn't use web server resources at all,
unlike the one we've been using which hogs 1 web connection
per user (which causes web visitors to wait for a web
connection if they're all used up).

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:11:29 -0500
From: "Chris"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Install CD receiver in dash of 80-86 Bronco

Dave ,
There are kits for almost any stereo into almost any car , try Parts
Unlimited or J.C. Whitney Can't find the P.U. catalogue
but J.C. is 312-431-6102
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From: dhollingworth juno.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 2:55 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Install CD receiver in dash of 80-86 Bronco


>Does anyone have any advice on how to install a newer DIN-style CD
>receiver in the dash of an 80-86 Ford Bronco that was designed for the
>two knob shaft style-receivers?
>
>I have a 84 Bronco that I want to install a CD player in this weekend. I
>realize that I will have to cut holes in the faceplate of the dash for it
>to fit through, but I'm not sure exactly how to mount it. Are there any
>installation kits out there that would help in this installation?
>
>Thanks
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 00:13:14 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Install CD receiver in dash of 80-86 Bronco

Dave,
There are 3 different Din styles, I, E & J (not to mention Double Din,
GM and Chrysler). If I recall (and I rarely do) the J is the type
that has face-mount screws that are then hidden by the dash trim like
on most imports. That being correct (?) the I and E each have a
rectangular sleeve that locks in the head unit. These will come w/the
receiver. Hold that up to the dash and mark the perimeter noting that
the FRONT has a lip, DON'T use that, use the thinner metal. Cut that
out w/dremel, saw, razor knife, whatever you can use, but be patient,
you only get one shot at this. Better to be too small, that's
correctable. Once you cut the hole, the sleeve slides in and you bend
the appropriate tabs out to lock it into the dash. I also recommend
the $10-15 adapter wiring kits mentioned by another poster (Radio
Shack even has them), saves alot of cutting and splicing, not to
mention time. Make your connections and slide the receiver thru the
sleeve until it clicks and you're all set. My '87 wouldn't accept my
Sony CD w/changer controls, it was slightly too tall and slightly too
narrow. The narrow was easily fixed w/a little cutting. The too tall
had to be shimmed under the sleeve so as not to see it. You can,
though, see it if you look really close, but most ppl don't. Also, I
think the 80-86 has gobs of room depth wise so you should have no
problem there (my unit was about 1/8 inch too deep, but it fit even
w/the amp leads. If you do cut too large you'll have to by one of
those bulky, ugly adapter kits and it will look hokey so again, be
patient and enjoy your new system.

Later,
Brew

dhollingworth juno.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any advice on how to install a newer DIN-style CD
> receiver in the dash of an 80-86 Ford Bronco that was designed for the
> two knob shaft style-receivers?
>
> I have a 84 Bronco that I want to install a CD player in this weekend. I
> realize that I will have to cut holes in the faceplate of the dash for it
> to fit through, but I'm not sure exactly how to mount it. Are there any....


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