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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK
Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK
Re: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front Driveshaft Problem
FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
FTE 80-96 - 460 Misc. Parts Needed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK
Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
RE: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Front End Popping
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 inline six
Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

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Date: 23 Nov 98 08:22:26 EST
From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK

When taking off from a stop, I get a scary clunk out of the rear of my 96
F150 4x4.
I was thinking u-joints on the driveshaft, rear end falling apart, or
transmission.
Any diagnostic tips before I tear into this?
TIA,
Chuck

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:09:12 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Problems

Vogt Family wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help on pulling the codes, can't remember the numbers now
> but basically what it boils down to is I've got faults in the EGR
> sensor, the Fuel Pump relay circuit, and the MAP sensor.



>
> Now the update, I was poking around to find the MAP sensor and I came to
> this thing with a medium-small black hard vacuum line from the manifold
> (plenum) to it that is under the hood, above the battery. It has a
> 3-position electrical connector on it which looks OK inside. When I
> pull this electrical connector the van runs incredibly rich and still
> won't run. But when I pull the vacuum line off, it idles and revs just
> fine. Is this the MAP sensor? If so, how can it run without a signal?
>
I'm not all that familliar with Ford engine management systems, but I'd
hazard that that is the MAP sensor, what with bot an electrical and
vacuum line to it. As for why it runs when the vacuum is disconnected:
It's in fail-safe mode. The computer now detects that the vacuum is way
off from what it should be, figures there's a major malfunction in one
of the primary sensors and goes into fail-safe mode. It's a "get you
home, never mind the emmissions" mode.

On the brand that I'm more familliar with, the Factory Service Manual
expressly says that the stored computer codes do _not_ point to the bad
item (eg: if the Exaust O2 sensor consistantly reads rich, it isn't
neccessarily the sensor that's bad, but that's the symptom).

So it's time to look at a scenario that could cause all these
malfunctions. One thing I'd check first off is the wiring, these seem to
be rather unrelated, but some of the same wiring to assorted sensors and
relays could be running through the same 'bunch' of wires. I had a weird
problem on my non-Ford car, it wound up frying an actuator and fooled
one mechanic enough that the computer was replaced. It all came down to
the insulation being chafed through on a bunch of wires. Wrapped them in
tape and problem solved.

Just some thoughts, there.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:36:43 -0600
From: "Jachim, Jeff"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK

Chuck,
My 95 F150 E.B. 4x4 does the same thing. My brother-in-law is a
Ford wrench, and said the noise is coming from the slip yoke. He dropped
the
drive shaft and used a teflon grease on the splines and the noise went
away.
This only seems to be a temp fix, because the noise is coming back a
little after
about 3k miles. I think he said Ford makes a nickel plated(?) slip yoke
as a
replacement. I haven't tried this, yet!
Hope this helps,

Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com [SMTP:CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 7:22 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK
>
> When taking off from a stop, I get a scary clunk out of the rear of my
> 96
> F150 4x4.
> I was thinking u-joints on the driveshaft, rear end falling apart, or
> transmission.
> Any diagnostic tips before I tear into this?
> TIA,
> Chuck
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:11:29 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front Driveshaft Problem

Larry Shertzer wrote:

> > I'm sorry to inform the group that I'm still working on getting my
> >clutch replaced! I'm afraid the truck project got put on the back
> >burner
> >during hunting season!
> > I'm having trouble getting the front driveshaft to come down. I've
> >tried prying at both the flange on the X-fer case and at the front
> >differential. It looks like there is no play in the shaft where the two
> >pieces join. I tried greasing at the fitting at this point to no avail.


Geof,
I really don't understand how it can be hanging up. It should
fall out of there like your rear one did. What you can try is to
compress the slip-joint some to get one end away from the yoke.
After that it is katie-bar-dee-doe. :-)
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:38:45 -0800
From: Ken Rains
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

I have a '92 F-150 4x4 5.0L automatic that is currently running like crap.
When the engine is cold, it runs fine, but when fully warm (about 10-15
minutes) it starts surging. I know that description is fairly vague, but I
don't know how to better describe it. It just runs really rough. It also
only seems to happen when trying to hold speed, especially on a slight
incline. When accelerating, it never misses a beat.

Could it be the TPS or other sensor?

Any clues would be greatly appreciated.

Ken Rains
ken tally.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:38:53 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

Ken Rains wrote:
>
> I have a '92 F-150 4x4 5.0L automatic that is currently running like crap.
> When the engine is cold, it runs fine, but when fully warm (about 10-15
> minutes) it starts surging. I know that description is fairly vague, but I
> don't know how to better describe it. It just runs really rough. It also
> only seems to happen when trying to hold speed, especially on a slight
> incline. When accelerating, it never misses a beat.
>
> Could it be the TPS or other sensor?
>
Could be. But the first thing I would suspect is the oxygen sensor.
Especially if it hasn't been changed in a while.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:57:26 -0500
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 Misc. Parts Needed

Anybody out there have a tired-old 460 in need of a rebuild that I can
pirate parts from? OR do you just happen to have some 460 parts that were
suppose to go in your Rustang that never made it because you bought a
shiney new Mustang? ANYWAY, I need 460 parts.....everything....head bolts,
automatic flywheel, oil pan (truck style), aluminum intake, your 17 year
old sister....wait....no, some 429CJ heads would be nice.....anyway you get
the point. Let me know what you have.

Thanks,
Dale Frenz
frenz.6 osu.edu


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:16:33 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Things that go CLUNK

stupid question could your exhaust be loose or missing a rubber hanger?
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:15:50 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Problems

No it cant run for any time without a map sensor the comp automatically shuts
down.. Now i had a similar problem with an F250 with a 351.. I had a fuel
pressure sensor that was clogged so you may wanna check into that all you
need to do is remove it and clean it...
The fuel pump relay circut the relay under the hood was actually recalled by
Ford once i was told so when mine went i didnt have to pay for it so you may
wanna check into that but its only like a $28 piece in any autoparts store
And if you got a code 32 its suppousedly an EGR valve on the Fords
Get yourself a Haynes Manual fopr your truck theyre pretty good with these
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:19:32 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

Mine did it and it was the send=sor that regulates the flow to the injectors
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:47:57 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company or
does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
Just wondering, Thanks!
Sincerely,
Karen


Don't recall anyone answering this. Lincoln, Mercury and Ford are all part
of Ford Motor Company. Many people don't know it, but Jaguar is also owned
by Ford. They also have a finace company which will loan you money to buy a
car or house. Ford used to make tractors, but sold that business to
NewHolland. At the Rouge plant (in Dearborn, MI), there is a steel mill,
glass manufacturing plant and auto assembly plant. All were built by Ford,
but some (like the steel mill) have been sold to other companies.

Ford has been around almost 100 years, and has a vast history. Ford sold an
airplane, called the "Trimotor". Adm. Byrd used one in the polar
expeditions. Henry Ford was a personal friend of Thomas Edison, and Ford
created an electric rail system to transport raw materials to his assembly
plants.

In the years of the Model T, Ford needed a supply of lumber, so he sent a
guy (related by marriage, I believe) to northern Michigan to secure land for
a lumber source and to set up sawmills to process the lumber. After the
sawmills were setup, the place was quickly overcome by mountains of sawdust.
This guy found that he could compress the sawdust into "briquettes" and bake
them to make charcoal. Soon the sawdust was under control, and Ford was
making money selling this charcoal to customers. The guy who set this up
was named Kingsford.

There's an incredible amount of history at Ford--some of it very
interesting. I don't know of a source of all your Ford trivia, but the Henry
Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI, is a neat place to visit
if you're ever in the area.

- --
Regards,
Dave Baldwin
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:53:53 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions

Hi,
It has been along time since I have posted a message so sorry for
this long one :-))
I am the guy who sent all of those messages about snow plowing(with
a 150), and what kind of farm truck to get.
Well my father still has not purchased a truck for snow plowing nor
has he gotten a snow plow. My grandparents did not purchase any of
those farms I told you about, they were held up buying because their
sewer work did not start till this morning(it's about time) :-))
They have finally purchased a farm just about(couple more papers
to fill out), and their closing date is exactly one week before
Christmas.
!!!!!!!!Overall what this all means is that they need a truck!!!!!!!!!
Before for the previous farms they were looking at I think you
said a F-250 would be pretty good. This farm is 12.5 acres and it has a
good size driveway(they want to be able to plow it themselves), in a
couple of years they will be raising alpackas, and in the mean time will
raise these smaller animals that are like miniature sheep(something like
that, not sure of name), they enjoy gardning and that kind of stuff, and
will be doing alot of work to it(redoing, adding rooms).
Would the following be a good truck for them???
- F-250 4x4
- automatic
- gas engine
What should be added to this list?? What should be taken
away?? Sorry for the long message!! Any info would be highly
appreciated!!

Thanks,
Scottie and family

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:28:59 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

"Baldwin, Dave" wrote:
>
> Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company or
> does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
> Just wondering, Thanks!
> Sincerely,
> Karen
>
>
> Don't recall anyone answering this. Lincoln, Mercury and Ford are all part
> of Ford Motor Company. Many people don't know it, but Jaguar is also owned
> by Ford.
>
Ford also owns Aston-Martin-Lagonda.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:36:28 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

I've been lurking on this list a while, and wish I could give a decent
introduction well before I ask about a problem I'm having, but my current
situation doesn't permit me this luxury.

Here's our Bronco's introduction...

My wife's vehicle is a 1986 Ford Bronco II. It is gray with a gray interior
and has 117 K miles. It has a 2.9 liter V6 and an EEC-IV for its computer.
It has a five speed (overdrive) manual transmission. It has been well
maintained initially by her father and more recently by both her father and
myself. He has been a mechanic professionally for 30 years. I'm an amateur,
although I have some experience with electrical systems, digital circuits
and computers.

We have three Fords in our family - the other two are Mercury Merkur
XR4Tis. I won't discuss these disowned children of Ford to keep this brief.

Here's my problem with the Bronco...

I'm trying to adjust the base timing on this vehicle and can't locate the
SPOUT connector to disconnect it. Where is this and what does it look like?
Common sense dictates that it should be in the vicinity of the distributor,
but can't seem to locate it. The documentation I have read says it is a
single wire - possibly black or another color: white?

I confirmed that the sticker under the hood agrees with both the Haynes
manual and other documentation that I have and it tells me I want to set
the timing to 10 degrees BTDC and I got myself a nice brand-new
induction-style timing light which works well with our setup, but it's just
a nice piece of junk if I can't use it to set timing properly. The sticker
confirms that I have to remove the SPOUT but doesn't give details on
locating it. The Haynes and Chilton manuals are useless on telling me where
to find it. I lack a Ford shop manual for this vehicle.

Can anyone help a newcomer to the list to locate the SPOUT connector? Even
a list archive that I can search would help...

Thanks!

- -Dave Slotter
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mailto:dave slotter.org
ICQ# 4830064 AOL/AIM ID: "Mac XR"
1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 117K
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:36:35 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

I just replaced the engine (5.8) in my 89 F150.......I got a '92 version so
I would get the later camshaft for a smooth idle. Anyway, mine is surging
at idle now also......seems to be worst after I put it in park after being
in drive. It just hunts up and down and will eventually stall if I let it.
Anyone have any ideas? I have a new TPS and the O2 sensor is working
properly.

Christopher T. Maher
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From: Andre Roy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: November 23, 1998 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150


>Ken Rains wrote:
>>
>> I have a '92 F-150 4x4 5.0L automatic that is currently running like
crap.
>> When the engine is cold, it runs fine, but when fully warm (about 10-15
>> minutes) it starts surging. I know that description is fairly vague, but
I
>> don't know how to better describe it. It just runs really rough. It
also
>> only seems to happen when trying to hold speed, especially on a slight
>> incline. When accelerating, it never misses a beat.
>>
>> Could it be the TPS or other sensor?
>>
>Could be. But the first thing I would suspect is the oxygen sensor.
>Especially if it hasn't been changed in a while.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:34:42 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions

Scottie Schmidt wrote:
>
> Hi,
> It has been along time since I have posted a message so sorry for
> this long one :-))
>
[Gramps and Grams get a farm for Christmas]

> Would the following be a good truck for them???
> - F-250 4x4
> - automatic
> - gas engine
> What should be added to this list?? What should be taken
> away?? Sorry for the long message!! Any info would be highly
> appreciated!!
>
If they're buying new, there should be some sort of snow-plowing package
available. If they're buying used, stay the heck away from any truck
that's been used to plow! Usually those trucks are just battered into
the snow (you plow 100 driveways after a storm... you just might be in a
hurry too ;-)

Engine choice is up to them, gasoline is easier to find, diesels usually
are more durable. Gas engines can be converted to propane or dual fuel
which burns a lot cleaner.

Jack it up so that you can pass over those miniature sheep rather than
bopping them in the head ! ;-)

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:39:27 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

One more thing I noticed, my lights pulsate, like a bad regulator. Could
this make the IAC motor fluctuate the idle speed?
Christopher T. Maher
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Roy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: November 23, 1998 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150


>Ken Rains wrote:
>>
>> I have a '92 F-150 4x4 5.0L automatic that is currently running like
crap.
>> When the engine is cold, it runs fine, but when fully warm (about 10-15
>> minutes) it starts surging. I know that description is fairly vague, but
I
>> don't know how to better describe it. It just runs really rough. It
also
>> only seems to happen when trying to hold speed, especially on a slight
>> incline. When accelerating, it never misses a beat.
>>
>> Could it be the TPS or other sensor?
>>
>Could be. But the first thing I would suspect is the oxygen sensor.
>Especially if it hasn't been changed in a while.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:02:46 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surging F-150

Christopher Maher wrote:
>
> I just replaced the engine (5.8) in my 89 F150.......I got a '92 version so
> I would get the later camshaft for a smooth idle. Anyway, mine is surging
> at idle now also......seems to be worst after I put it in park after being
> in drive. It just hunts up and down and will eventually stall if I let it.
> Anyone have any ideas? I have a new TPS and the O2 sensor is working
> properly.
>
There should be an idle speed controller on the throttle body. Its'
function is to allow more or less air through the nearly closed throttle
plate to adjust idle speed as loads kick in and out (A/C, shifting to
drive, etc). On another brand of car they're called the AIS (Automatic
Idle Speed) controller or Motor. Not sure what it's called on a Ford, my
Ford has a Carb.

But this device has essentially no effect at anything much over idle. In
my case, the shorted wires did fry the AIS motor.

ACK! I just re-read your message! "I put it in park after being in
drive" Speed sensor! Check your speed sensor. Also, some vehicles let
the computer know what range the transmission is in (not just
park/neutral). May be worth a shot.

You have done all the basics, right? (not trying to be ignorant here,
sometimes, with all that computer stuff, spark plugs don't get changed,
been there, done that).
The basics like compression, vacuum leaks, etc.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:24:07 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

The SPOUT wire is one of the wires coming off the TFI module plugged into
the base of the distributor housing. Most of my schematics show it is being
the second wire from the top of the connector. Trace this wire back and
there should be a connector in it that will allow you to disconnect just the
SPOUT.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Slotter
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 12:42 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?


>I've been lurking on this list a while, and wish I could give a decent
>introduction well before I ask about a problem I'm having, but my current
>situation doesn't permit me this luxury.
>
>Here's our Bronco's introduction...
>
>My wife's vehicle is a 1986 Ford Bronco II. It is gray with a gray interior
>and has 117 K miles. It has a 2.9 liter V6 and an EEC-IV for its computer.
>It has a five speed (overdrive) manual transmission. It has been well
>maintained initially by her father and more recently by both her father and
>myself. He has been a mechanic professionally for 30 years. I'm an amateur,
>although I have some experience with electrical systems, digital circuits
>and computers.
>
>We have three Fords in our family - the other two are Mercury Merkur
>XR4Tis. I won't discuss these disowned children of Ford to keep this brief.
>
>Here's my problem with the Bronco...
>
>I'm trying to adjust the base timing on this vehicle and can't locate the
>SPOUT connector to disconnect it. Where is this and what does it look like?
>Common sense dictates that it should be in the vicinity of the distributor,
>but can't seem to locate it. The documentation I have read says it is a
>single wire - possibly black or another color: white?
>
>I confirmed that the sticker under the hood agrees with both the Haynes
>manual and other documentation that I have and it tells me I want to set
>the timing to 10 degrees BTDC and I got myself a nice brand-new
>induction-style timing light which works well with our setup, but it's just
>a nice piece of junk if I can't use it to set timing properly. The sticker
>confirms that I have to remove the SPOUT but doesn't give details on
>locating it. The Haynes and Chilton manuals are useless on telling me where
>to find it. I lack a Ford shop manual for this vehicle.
>
>Can anyone help a newcomer to the list to locate the SPOUT connector? Even
>a list archive that I can search would help...
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Dave Slotter
>--
>mailto:dave slotter.org
> ICQ# 4830064 AOL/AIM ID: "Mac XR"
> 1986 Ford Bronco II Gray Manual 2.9 V6 117K
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:26:07 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

If you go to Ford's site, they now hold a large enough stake in
Mazda that it's included in the family.

- -Ken

At 07:28 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>"Baldwin, Dave" wrote:
>>
>> Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company or
>> does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
>> Just wondering, Thanks!
>> Sincerely,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> Don't recall anyone answering this. Lincoln, Mercury and Ford are all part
>> of Ford Motor Company. Many people don't know it, but Jaguar is also owned
>> by Ford.
>>
>Ford also owns Aston-Martin-Lagonda.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:45:22 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

>The SPOUT wire is one of the wires coming off the TFI module plugged into
>the base of the distributor housing. Most of my schematics show it is being
>the second wire from the top of the connector. Trace this wire back and
>there should be a connector in it that will allow you to disconnect just the
>SPOUT.
>
>Rade

Thank you. I will follow up on this.

- -Dave
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:14:07 -0600
From: "bikerdan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Front End Popping

> Has anyone had any experience with the front end of their '95 F-150
> supercab making a popping noise when turning or going over bumps? In
fact, I took it
> to the dealer about a year ago and they replaced some rivits with bolts,
> but here we are a year later with a similar problem.
>


I think that I read about a T.S.B. on that on the web site
check it out
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:42:34 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Ford is the parent company of Lincoln and Mercury theyre all basically the
same company
Bob
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:51:03 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

>>The SPOUT wire is one of the wires coming off the TFI module plugged into
>>the base of the distributor housing. Most of my schematics show it is being
>>the second wire from the top of the connector. Trace this wire back and
>>there should be a connector in it that will allow you to disconnect just the
>>SPOUT.
>>
>>Rade

On our Bronco II, it was just what you said. The second wire from the top
was yellow and I traced it back on the harness to a inline plug - kind of
looked like a stopper to tell you the truth. I thought it might be what I
was looking for before but wasn't sure and didn't want to be messing around
with stuff that I didn't understand.

Once I removed that jumper and ran a timing test again, base timing changed
from 10 degrees BTDC to about 2-4 degrees ATDC. That would explain our lack
of power and may explain it failing PA emissions recently.

Thanks for your help!

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:43:51 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Alot of Questions

how about overdrive, air conditioning and a radio???
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:12:57 EST
From: JJust4505 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 inline six


Does any one know how to install roller rocker arms on the 300 six?
And does any one know how the intake manifold an exhaust manifold works on
the 84 model 300 six cyl. like is the intake heated by exhaust or how hard
would
it be to install headers

AND REMEMBER. 6=8
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:53:23 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?

2-4 degrees ATDC? Yep, that'll cause some problems alright.

Rade
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From: Dave Slotter
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Where is SPOUT?


>>>The SPOUT wire is one of the wires coming off the TFI module plugged into
>>>the base of the distributor housing. Most of my schematics show it is
being
>>>the second wire from the top of the connector. Trace this wire back and
>>>there should be a connector in it that will allow you to disconnect just....

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