80-96-list-digest Sunday, November 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 393



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Question on Rear-End
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on Rear-End
Re: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re:FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear
Re: FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE: New Admin Policy.re:Amsoil
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE,was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end
FTE 80-96 - Front Driveshaft Problem
FTE 80-96 - Insurance claims - a link
FTE 80-96 - Stereo removal help
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Stereo removal help
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE,was K&N
RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy
Re: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:42:44 -0600
From: "Harold Day"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question on Rear-End

How do I tell what size rear-end I have. I have an 84 F150 with a 3:73
ratio, according to the tag on the housing. I would like to change the
ratio, and have looked at several but the prices are for 8.8, 10.25 and 9.
I'm pretty sure I don't have a 9, as the look of it is very different. I
think it's a 8.8, but I just want to make sure.

Thanks
Harold


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:23:31 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on Rear-End

Harold Day wrote:

> How do I tell what size rear-end I have. I have an 84 F150 with a 3:73
> ratio, according to the tag on the housing. I would like to change the
> ratio, and have looked at several but the prices are for 8.8, 10.25 and 9.
> I'm pretty sure I don't have a 9, as the look of it is very different. I
> think it's a 8.8, but I just want to make sure.

Harold,
Go behind your truck, get down and look at the rear
differential. If you can see the 10 bolt pattern of the
diff cover then you have the 8.8".

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:44:58 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here

I never said that the synthetic oil did not help in cold temps, that is why
I use it in my diffs. (it gets might cold during late hunting seasons). My
only comment was that you should not buy synthetic oil if you think you are
going to get some sort of quantitative HP or mileage improvement.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lamar Zabielski
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com ;
80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 6:37 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here


>No offense, but my truck is starting on first crank, with snow on it (and
>not plugged in), with synth. That starter screams! That's an easy 10-30
>seconds improvement! And it starts like gas, within a half second or two,
no
>wait for the 'wait to start light' to go out, for the rest of the
day/night.
>
>zya in the 21st century,
>zeb
>'88 F250 7.3 rebuilt 9k ago
>
>At 06:25 PM 11/19/98 -0000, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>>No offense but most truck owners (aside from those blessed with a
Lightning)
>>are not going to be drag racing their trucks any time soon. Four tenths
of
>>a mile is not a bad improvement for a full throttle drag racing
situation,
>>but if you translate that down into everyday driving or towing the effect
of
>>the synthetic is virtually nil.
>>
>>Rade
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bikerdan
>>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 1:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>>,but it does NOT improve performance.
>>>
>>>Sorry, I disagree. When I changed to systethic oil in a motorcycle[no
other
>>>changes were made]
>>>I cut 4 tenths off my quarter mile e.t.
>>>
>>>Some say due to a lower frictional coeficeint
>>>Dan Fischer
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:06:20 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

Yup, just knew I was going to p*ss people off with that Lightning remark,
darn it.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Randa
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N


>
>I'd also refrain from washing your truck as well since it probably not
>going to see any shows like a Lightning would. Geez!
>
>
>Steve Randa
>
>
>Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>
>> No offense but most truck owners (aside from those blessed with a
>> Lightning)
>> are not going to be drag racing their trucks any time soon. Four
>> tenths of
>> a mile is not a bad improvement for a full throttle drag racing
>> situation,
>> but if you translate that down into everyday driving or towing the
>> effect of
>> the synthetic is virtually nil.
>>
>> Rade
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bikerdan
>> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 1:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >----------
>> >>,but it does NOT improve performance.
>> >
>> >Sorry, I disagree. When I changed to systethic oil in a motorcycle[no
>> other
>> >changes were made]
>> >I cut 4 tenths off my quarter mile e.t.
>> >
>> >Some say due to a lower frictional coeficeint
>> >Dan Fischer
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:56:31 -0500
From: Larry Wiandt
Subject: Re:FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear

>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:47:24 -0700
>From: Fred Moreno
>Subject: >
>Hey ya'll,
>
> Had a wonderful morning/commute to work today.
>
> The clutch might of felt a little spongy when I went to start to the truck
>this morning, did not think much about it. But driving out of the driveway
>and a mile or two later towards the "Big Road", when I went to shift, the
>pedal went to the floor and stayed there.
>
> Pulled over, shut the engine off and I could shift fine with the engine in
>the OFF mode (Thank God), but with the engine running, no way was it going
>to come out or in of a gear. Checked the fluid level in the clutch cylinder
>and, yep it was low. Topped the fluid level off to the proper fill line,
>took about 2 fluid ounces at the most. Started the engine and still no dice.
>We have no clutch action. Noticed a small wet spot on the front of the bell
>housing of the Mazda 5-speed.
> Interesting drive back to the house, in first all the way, although once I
>manage to gorilla the gears into third (without any grinding!). Had to use
>the other old faithful - 1982 Subaru - to get to work.
>
> I could use some help and suggestions on this one, we have never had a
>problem with this 1995 F-150 4X4 EB with 302 and 124K miles. It is our daily
>driver, our farm truck, etc... You know the feeling.
> When I get home tonight, I will dive into "the Book" and read. But with the
>recent promotion at work and part time University student trying to finish a
>degree, time is sooo precious. I would greatly appreciate some input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Moreno
> Autotronic Controls Corp. - Alternate Fuels div
> El Paso TX (Employed) - La Union, New Mexico (Resident)
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You will need to bleed the system just like you bleed brakes. You probably
have either a bad master or slave cylendar or it wouldn't have been down
that much. For the cost of new one and the ease of replacement, at 124k
miles I would replace both.

Good luck,
Larry
'93 F350 4x4 CrewCab Diesel (of course)
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:14:15 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end

Christopher Maher wrote:
>
> I just investigated the source of a horrible clunk in my rear end and guess
> what I found? Spider gear pieces everywhere and a split carrier housing.


Chris, I would recommend NOT eating any more spider
gears....ROFLBO!!!!!!

Later,
Brew :)
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:23:22 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE: New Admin Policy.re:Amsoil

THANK YOU KEN!!!! This was getting ridiculous....

Randy Goolsby,LaCenter,WA.94 Bronco EB 85 F-250 4X4"the Second
Amendment guarantees all the others"
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:01:24 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE,was K&N

Steve wrote: then you might wanna refrain from washing your
truck,etc,etc,. Steve, what kinda lame comparison is that? Rade
had a good point: That the driving you do in your FORD TRUCK after
changing over to synthetics may or may not show an appreciable increase
in mileage OR (especially) performance. Don't get me wrong here;I use
synthetics in my 94 Bronco,but useit because it keeps the engine cleaner
than petrol-based lubes,will take more extreme temps better and I
believe add longevity to the best rig I've ever owned.Isaw absolutely NO
increase in performance when I changed it over.None.Nada.Fuel mileage
MIGHT have increased 1/2 mile per gallon.If it is performance you
want,change the heads,but don't look for miracles that come in a can or
bottle(excluding nitrous) because it aint gonna happen.A 3" exhaust
system w/ a Walker superturbo OTOH worked me on the top end.Nothing
drastic though.No miracles there either.

Randy Goolsby,LaCenter,WA.94 Bronco EB 85 F-250 4X4"the Second
Amendment guarantees all the others"
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end

- ---Randy wrote:
>
> Christopher Maher wrote:
> >
> > I just investigated the source of a horrible clunk in my rear end
and guess
> > what I found? Spider gear pieces everywhere and a split carrier
housing.
>
>
> Chris, I would recommend NOT eating any more spider
> gears....ROFLBO!!!!!!
>
> Later,
> Brew :)
Brew,
I just had to respond to that one..that was too funny.
hehehehe
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_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:27:39 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front Driveshaft Problem

I'm sorry to inform the group that I'm still working on getting my
clutch replaced! I'm afraid the truck project got put on the back burner
during hunting season!
I'm having trouble getting the front driveshaft to come down. I've
tried prying at both the flange on the X-fer case and at the front
differential. It looks like there is no play in the shaft where the two
pieces join. I tried greasing at the fitting at this point to no avail. I
dont think this thing should require a lot of force to pry off? Rear one
came down real easy.
Maybe I should try heating it up, (its' 28F outside) or spray some kind
of spray lubricant to get the two pieces to slide together?

Thanks again,

Geof Schrag
1980 Ford Bronco
351M, 4sp
gschrag bitstream.net
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:27:03 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Insurance claims - a link

The funny (Shy anne and I thought, anyway) comment I made about Chris'
'rear-end' trouble reminded me about a list I'd read YEARS ago in "The
Book of Lists" about actual insurance claims that were funny (although
originally not meant to be). A few minutes w/a search engine and I
found it on the 'net, but dont' want to take up bandwidth so instead
of posting it I'll just put up a link. That way any NOT interested
w/it aren't bothered, but it is worth checking out.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fuzzdoy.com/mscinsurance.htm

Later,
Brew
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:27:34 -0500
From: Bryant Smith
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Stereo removal help

Can somebody please tell me the secret to removing a stock AM/FM/cass
stereo ? I tried to insert a piece of #8 solid wire (shaped in a "U" so
I could do the top and bottom) into each side to release it but it
didn't seem to work. I need to get it out but I didn't want to break it
either ! Any secrets would be greatly appreciated.

Bryant Smith
'93 F150 SC Mark III



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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:30:45 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

I have aa 99 f250 4 door, with the Powerstroke in it. I like it.

Brian

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:43:39 EST
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Stereo removal help

Bryant,

Try bending the ends alittle bit. That should help to release the tabs in
side. I had to do
that on my wifes car. But I used a coat hanger. Hope that works.

Brian
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:36:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

At 02:13 PM 10/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Ken Payne wrote:
>
>> Two new votes have been added to the web site voting
>> center.
>>
>> 1. Split the 61-79 list into two lists to reduce
>> traffic.
>> 2. Add pre48 list.
>>
>> Voting expires in 14 days.
>>
>> Here we grow again! If the new lists get approved, we
>> will ask for volunteers to administer them.
>>
>> Ken Payne
>> CoAdmin,
>> Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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>
>I will volunteer to admin one of the lists.
>
>
>
>Michael
>
>
>Michael D. Whities
>bigmike netdoor.com
>bigmike pager.netdoor.com
>mwhities netdoor.com
>mwhities pager.netdoor.com
>

Michael,

Thanks for your offer to admin one of the lists. However, the
pre48 list is a flop and will be discontinued and, as you know,
the 61-79 list split vote didn't win. I think its only a matter
of time before it does split.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:19:59 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

Yup, just knew I was going to p*ss people off with that Lightning
remark,darn it.

I don't mind the remark!
Chris
94 Lightning #381...all synthetics!!!!

I'd also refrain from washing your truck as well since it probably not
going to see any shows like a Lightning would. Geez!

No offense but most truck owners (aside from those blessed with a
Lightning)are not going to be drag racing their trucks any time soon.
Four tenths of a mile is not a bad improvement for a full throttle drag
racing situation,
but if you translate that down into everyday driving or towing the
effect of the synthetic is virtually nil.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:24:21 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here

I never said that the synthetic oil did not help in cold temps, that is
why I use it in my diffs. (it gets might cold during late hunting
seasons). My only comment was that you should not buy synthetic oil if
you think you are going to get some sort of quantitative HP or mileage
improvement.

Reduces friction helps prolong engine life...take your best oil and
compare it any of synthetics at a lab and you will see a difference in
friction. That alone is remarkable but the fact that you get a few extra
horses and better mpgs too! Not to mention some oil companies give
extended change intervals! Thats the pros

The cons...price
I think I am getting my moneys worth
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:31:53 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-FTE,was K&N

had a good point: That the driving you do in your FORD TRUCK after
changing over to synthetics may or may not show an appreciable increase
in mileage OR (especially) performance. Don't get me wrong here;I use
synthetics in my 94 Bronco,but useit because it keeps the engine cleaner
than petrol-based lubes,will take more extreme temps better and I
believe add longevity to the best rig I've ever owned.Isaw absolutely NO
increase in performance when I changed it over.None.Nada.Fuel mileage
MIGHT have increased 1/2 mile per gallon.If it is performance you
want,change the heads,but don't look for miracles that come in a can or
bottle(excluding nitrous) because it aint gonna happen.A 3" exhaust
system w/ a Walker superturbo OTOH worked me on the top end.Nothing
drastic though.No miracles there either.

I agree with most of what your are saying. I am sure you picked up a few
ponies but you can't feel them....you probably have to add on 15-20 hp
in a Bronco to feel it! Thats alot of truck to move! 5.0? Do you run
just synthetic oil, or do you run everything synthetic? if you would of
done a dyno run before and after you would have gained a couple
horsepower. Which is great when the reason for buying it is its
lubricating abilites..so technically any horsepower was free horsepower!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:59:59 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy

Ken Payne wrote:

"Amsoil discussion by those who are dealers or have a close
business relationship with dealers are no longer welcome on
Ford Truck Enthusiasts."


SUITS ME JUST FINE!


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX

"USA Today has come out with a new survey: Apparently three out of
four people make up 75 percent of the population." --David Letterman
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