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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
FTE 80-96 - Re: oil pressure indication
FTE 80-96 - Temperature Sensor
FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear
FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
FTE 80-96 - Fan switch FYI
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear
FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle
FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Durabak spray-ins, any good?
FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: oil pressure indication
Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Temperature Sensor
FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:41:07 -0600
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:29:17 -0500
> From: "Michael Redden"
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
>
> My main concern with synthetic oil is I've heard that if you run it in
older vehicles
> it can tend to leak out where there was no leakage before (like valve
cover gaskets).
> Not that it causes leaks. Since I have no new vehicles to try it in, I've
> been a little skittish about putting it old ones that have already been
leaking :

Actually, it's due to the higher detergent quality in synthetic oil, which
tends to clear up the "nooks and crannies" where oil collects. It also has
a thinner consistency, so it'll tend to work its way through minute areas
where conventional dino oil wouldn't. I've got a '93 full-size Bronco with
65k on the clock and a '90 Mustang with about 77k - and since I don't have
any leaks and change my oil religiously at 3000 miles, the small benefits
that synthetic would bring aren't worth the leaks I might have to chase.
And let's be realistic - whether you use conventional or synthetic, as long
as you change your oil regularly your engine should last many, many years -
I doubt that the use of synthetic would buy you THAT much extra of an engine
life.

To me, this is a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". If and/or when
I rebuild or replace either of the engines, I'll go with synthetic at that
point but for now it's 10w30/5w30 Castrol for my cars (if for no other
reason than I have a couple of cases stored up in the garage...)

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:33:32 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

Ferino, Chris wrote:

> Actually, it's due to the higher detergent quality in synthetic oil, which
> tends to clear up the "nooks and crannies" where oil collects. It also has
> a thinner consistency, so it'll tend to work its way through minute areas
> where conventional dino oil wouldn't.

How about this. Its kinda like a seasoned cast-iron skillet. Once
you get oil absorbed in the write places it is irreplaceable. But the
minute you buy a new clean skillet the food tastes bad. If a person uses
this stuff, then they really aught to use it from the beginning otherwise
its almost like mixing water and oil. Oh FYI, yes I do like to cook. :-)
Just my $0.02 on the subject.
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:46:45 PST
From: "David Goodwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: oil pressure indication

SNIP
>>> Hi all. My oil pressure seems to want to mess with my head.
SNIP

My 93 F150 4x4 351 did the same thing. Traced the wiring to a plug on
the drivers side. It probably interfaces with the on board computer
there. Pulled the plug, cleaned the contacts. No more flakey pressure
readings. Just don't scrape the contacts with anything that might
scratch them.
Hope your problem is as simple as mine was.

Dave


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:30:31 -0600
From: "Neff, Charles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Temperature Sensor

The temperature sensor on my 1987 F-150 with 302 is off scale on the low
side. Can someone tell me what the resistance of the sensor on the engine
should be when the engine is cold and also when is is at normal operating
temperature. Also, where is this sensor located. I suspect that it is the
sensor but if it's easy to test I will do that first.


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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:47:24 -0700
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear

Hey ya'll,

Had a wonderful morning/commute to work today.

The clutch might of felt a little spongy when I went to start to the truck
this morning, did not think much about it. But driving out of the driveway
and a mile or two later towards the "Big Road", when I went to shift, the
pedal went to the floor and stayed there.

Pulled over, shut the engine off and I could shift fine with the engine in
the OFF mode (Thank God), but with the engine running, no way was it going
to come out or in of a gear. Checked the fluid level in the clutch cylinder
and, yep it was low. Topped the fluid level off to the proper fill line,
took about 2 fluid ounces at the most. Started the engine and still no dice.
We have no clutch action. Noticed a small wet spot on the front of the bell
housing of the Mazda 5-speed.
Interesting drive back to the house, in first all the way, although once I
manage to gorilla the gears into third (without any grinding!). Had to use
the other old faithful - 1982 Subaru - to get to work.

I could use some help and suggestions on this one, we have never had a
problem with this 1995 F-150 4X4 EB with 302 and 124K miles. It is our daily
driver, our farm truck, etc... You know the feeling.
When I get home tonight, I will dive into "the Book" and read. But with the
recent promotion at work and part time University student trying to finish a
degree, time is sooo precious. I would greatly appreciate some input.

Thanks,

Fred Moreno
Autotronic Controls Corp. - Alternate Fuels div
El Paso TX (Employed) - La Union, New Mexico (Resident)
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:54:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Jeff Crowell T/208-396-6525
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic oil

> My main concern with synthetic oil is I've heard that if you run it in
> older vehicles
> it can tend to leak out where there was no leakage before (like valve cover
> gaskets).
> Not that it causes leaks. Since I have no new vehicles to try it in, I've
> been a little skittish about putting it old ones that have already been
> leaking :

I have used Mobil 1 on three vehicles so far, only one of which was anything
near new when I changed over. One had 60k miles on it, the other was about
90k miles. The first one (93 F-150 I6) now has 108k and the second
(Plymouth GVoy with 3.3 V-6) has 140k.

The Plymouth is notorious for wearing valve seals and burning oil, and
mine is running clean and tighter than a drum. The Ford's oil is still
mostly brown when I change it (more on that later).

The risk you run with an older engine is that the synth is very good at
dissolving crud that may have taken the place of worn gaskets in keeping
the oil on the inside of your engine. There is very slight seepage on
both my high-miles engines, but in neither case does any oil make it onto
the driveway.


> I do try to change the conventional oil between 2&3K miles. I've had
> trucks with
> milages of 165K and 225K when I sold them. Still going strong.
> Those were ones I got when older and changed the oil real often at first.
> Vehicles I bought new had over 150K when
> I sold them and didn't even burn any oil between changes.

> Since the synthetics don't break down as fast under high engine temps,
> it would be nice to go longer between changes. I don't really like
> to have to recycle the stuff as much as I do anyway.

For my vehicle that is still under warranty, I keep with the book intervals.
Not much choice there. For the other two, I make a full change every 9000
miles, with filter changes (and top-ups) at 3000 and 6000 miles. That
does spread out the oil consumption a bit.

This seems to work very well for me. For my Ford engine, the oil is still
pretty brown when I make the full change--which is no guarantee at all of oil
condition, but it *is* an indication in my opinion.


Jeff
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:06:46 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...

Lamar quipped:

>>Here's a question you could ask: Why should I buy a Ford? The song says
"If
>>I had some money .... I'd buy a ford truck or two'. Is that because I
need
>>an extra one for when the other is in the shop costing bucks?

>>Two questions in one!

One Ford truck for workin', one for playin'. Duh!

lordjanusz juno.com

"He who lives by the sword, dies by the clothyard shaft!"

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:30:39 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fan switch FYI

Thanx for response on fan switch. Put switch behind thermostat in intake
man. 200 deg. F. It wasn't hard, couldn't decide what temp to go with on
bottom of radiator... so, when coolant reaches 200 behind T-stat, fan comes
on. I guess, hasn't come on yet (haven't run it hard enough). Bart-AK

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:42:59 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...

- ---Paul M Radecki wrote:
>
> Lamar quipped:
>
> >>Here's a question you could ask: Why should I buy a Ford? The song
says
> "If
> >>I had some money .... I'd buy a ford truck or two'. Is that
because I
> need
> >>an extra one for when the other is in the shop costing bucks?
>
> >>Two questions in one!
>
> One Ford truck for workin', one for playin'. Duh!
>
> lordjanusz juno.com
>
> "He who lives by the sword, dies by the clothyard shaft!"
>
> ha! my thoughts exactly!!! you gotta have one for mud-racin those
chevys (and for pullin them out) and you need another one for doin the
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:18:09 -0600
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 speed tranny stuck in gear

Hey,

I have a 96 Ford F-150 Straight 6. I like the engine, but its kinda wimpy on HP.
I installed a K&N filter and Thrush muffler, which has woken things up a little,
but I am consider on going for a dual out exhaust and ordering a Header for it.
Other than Clifford Performance, does any one know of any other header
manfacturers that make an exhaust header? Thanks!
Bill
PS: I gotten some info on this this called the Tornado. It supposed to have
fins on it to allow more air into your intake, anyone heard anything about it?

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:07:12 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle

Hello, my buddy has a '90 or '91 E-250 with a 5.0 motor that won't keep
running of its own accord. It will only keep running if you continually
pump the throttle. Once let off it sputters and dies, if you try to
hold it down in one place it dies too. I believe it is a speed density
system so I am guessing that maybe the MAP sensor could be the culprit
and when we stomp on the throttle it temporarily reverts to throttle
position for fuel delivery (enrichment I'd guess) and then tries to
switch back to MAP and dies. Not having a scan tool is a real pain in
situations like these. Anybody have any ideas?

Birken
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:24:38 EST
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

I did not mean to start a war. I will address the latest comments. Any
further questions please email me directly. If the group wants to keep the
subject going so be it. I think most of the group wants to move on.
On the warranty issue extending your drain interval with synthetics does not
void your warranty. As long as the oil meets or exceeds the manufactures
recommendations. The oil would have to be proven to have caused the problem.
Amsoil products have a written warranty. Basically if Amsoil does damage to
your equipment, Amsoil will pay for the repair of the equipment. So even if a
warranty issue comes up Amsoil will backup there product.
Using a synthetic oil in a vehicle will not make it leak. There could be a
seal computability Issue with original seals on vehicles from the late to mid
70s or older. Any of the newer seals hold up better with a synthetic.
Synthetics do not dry out the seals like a petroleum oil will and they have
much better seal swelling properties.
If an engine is leaking a synthetic may clean the seal and make it stop. In
most cases the engine will leak more with a synthetic.
On the horsepower issue I misspoke. Sorry. I meant to say about 10% in
fuel economy. A two to five horsepower increase is correct.
As far as API certification. Amsoil products are API certified. They
just do not put in on the labels. When Amsoil products are recommended for an
application they far exceed any specification set by the manufacturer of the
equipment. Specification sheets available on each product will have all of
the specifications as well as the technical properties. If Amsoil have to
meet these specifications as not to void the equipment's warranty. Email me
for a copy of any product data sheet.
If you can get product data sheets from the other oil companies compare
there specs to Amsoil. For Amsoil to be able to last longer than any other
oil and also be warranted by the manufacturer they have to be made with only
the finest products. Send a sample of Amsoil and any other oil to a lab to be
analyzed. See the results for yourself.
I subscribe to lubrication World, a leading trade magazine. Last month
they did an article on greases. They asked a manufacturer why they do not
make there grease as good as Amsoil. The unnamed manufacturer said that it
costs to much. If you want more examples it will take me sometime to find
them all.
If you take the time to do the reseach there is plenty of information
out there about not only Amsoil but synthetics in general. Anyone wanting to
learn more about the benifits of synthetics email me. If you have anymore
questions please email me also.

Craig
P.S My name is Craig. i think some people where referring to me as Chris.

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:56:57 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Durabak spray-ins, any good?

Brew:
I e-mailed the Cote-L company that makes Durabak. They sent me some prices
right away. Of course I can no longer locate them! I think the material
was priced in line with polyurethane paints. Pretty expensive.
Probably cost $100 to do the bed with it. With some of the quotes I've
been seeing here to have a liner sprayed-in, it probably isn't worth the
trouble to do it yourself. It wouldn't be as thick (1/4") as a Rhino-style
liner
either.

I'm curious about other products, though. Line-X, and a couple of other
companies, say that their "hot applied" stuff is better than the liners
that are applied "cold". Besides the fact that they are less heavily
textured, I'm not sure of any other difference????

Mike

redden enter.net

> wondering if anyone has ever used the Durabak spray-in? This is a
> do-it-yourself can you can spray or roll in. I was just at the web
> site, but I didn't see a price (it may be there, but hard to find),
> which ALWAYS sends up a flag for me for ANY advertiser, if they don't
> give the price, they're obviously afraid of sticker shock. Just
> wanted to get some comments on it, or any other self-apply spray-in
> liners, that list members have actually used.
>
> Thanks,
> Brew

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:12:26 -0600
From: "Karen Dyer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

Okay group,
Here's my first question? What is the best Ford Pickup, give me all your
thoughts. Thanks I feel like the '99 4-door Dually Diesal! It Rocks.

Karen

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:22:40 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

hmmm...i prefer about a 96 4-door F-350 hehe




- ---Karen Dyer wrote:
>
>
> Okay group,
> Here's my first question? What is the best Ford Pickup, give me all
your
> thoughts. Thanks I feel like the '99 4-door Dually Diesal! It Rocks.
>
> Karen
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:20:36 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

I'd have to say the 59 and 79 F-250 4x4's. It's hard to pick just one.
- -----Original Message-----
From: shy anne
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question


>hmmm...i prefer about a 96 4-door F-350 hehe
>
>
>
>
>---Karen Dyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Okay group,
>> Here's my first question? What is the best Ford Pickup, give me all
>your
>> thoughts. Thanks I feel like the '99 4-door Dually Diesal! It Rocks.
>>
>> Karen
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:29:14 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: oil pressure indication

Traced the wiring to a plug on
>the drivers side

If the wire you are talking about is the one going to the sending unit than
I know what wire you're talking about, but I had to replace that not long
ago because it kind of got burnt up by the header. So I tied it up far away
so it won't happen again. I haven't got around to finding that problem yet
I've been too busy with my front end problems before we get to much snow up
here. It's a good thing I started that project, the outer wheel bearings on
the pass. side was only half there.

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:00:11 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

At 07:24 PM 11/18/98 EST, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
> I did not mean to start a war. I will address the latest comments. Any
>further questions please email me directly. If the group wants to keep the
>subject going so be it. I think most of the group wants to move on.

>>>>>>>>snip>>>>>>>>>>>>

If I didn't want info concerning my truck I wouldn't be here.

If I didn't want modern tech, I'd still be using a typewriter, of the era of
original oil.

Let's dialog! All of us. Gas/Diesel dino/synth ... what a motely crew!

Liquid Ring is impressive though! 1-940-321-8580 No $$ interest.

Lamar


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:41:27 EST
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

Well, had to un-lurk here and comment.......
A little background. I run a small fleet of 12 vehicles used for construction
equipment deliveries. Mostly F-350 DRW's, with a couple F250's, 150's, a
ranger and a couple S-10's. These vehicles are run hard daily, mostly towing
from 3000 to 17000 pounds in city traffic.
A couple years ago, while reviewing the maintenance expenses on our trucks, I
noticed one office had considerably less major engine repairs. Further
research found they were using Amsoil in the engines, and the recommended
change intervals. Being oh so skeptical, I decided to use my truck as a Guinea
pig. 73000 miles, I changed to Amsoil. Thought I was gonna die! Truck went
from a qt. of oil every 12 - 1500 miles to one every 300 miles! This went on
for about a month, then useage just went overnight to a qt. every 2 - 2500
miles, where it remains now 100k+ miles. Fuel mileage went up, temps when
driving went down. For some reason temp when idling for extended periods went
up, haven't figured that out yet! At oil change time, the stuff comes out
kinda grungy looking, bit feells much better than regular oil as far as being
slippery and still retaining its viscosity.
At this stage, with all of our vehicles now running Amsoil, we find they get
better mileage, and run cooler after the conversion. We use less makeup oil
between changes. Still skeptical? Yup, I am.. it But so far, its pretty
impressive stuff.
Thanks for a couple of great lists here, love the info available!

Scott

93 F250Hd SC 351 Stick
3) 96 F350DRW 351 Stick
95 Ranger
2) 99 F350DRW PSD Stick
98 F150 284 stick
99 F150 4.2? Auto
96 F150 351 Stick
2) 96 S-10 (who cares)
92 Bronco 351 Auto (Big Blue!)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:59:12 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle

Vogt Family wrote:

> system so I am guessing that maybe the MAP sensor could be the culprit
> and when we stomp on the throttle it temporarily reverts to throttle
> position for fuel delivery (enrichment I'd guess) and then tries to
> switch back to MAP and dies. Not having a scan tool is a real pain in
> situations like these. Anybody have any ideas?

Voyt,
Goto: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.c-edge.com/shotimes/references/eecarticle.TXT

It will tell you how to get the codes without a scanner.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy

Until now, FTE has been a haven from the newsgroup Amsoil
dealer testimonials, uns*bstantiated "facts", spam and
misrepresentations.

Amsoil discussion by those who are dealers or have a close
business relationship with dealers are no longer welcome on
Ford Truck Enthusiasts. Amsoil dealers on the list should
read Amsoil's Internet policy regarding mailing lists.

This is now FTE policy and will be added to our FAQ. Any
violation of this policy will result in immediate removal
from the s*bscriber list, blockage from re-s*bscribing and
a complaint will be emailed to the Amsoil corporation.

FTE has been, and will continue to be, a safe harbor from
zombie "worship our products" MLMs.

Ken Payne
Admin


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:38:44 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

I'd have to say the 59 and 79 F-250 4x4's. It's hard to pick just one.
hmmm...i prefer about a 96 4-door F-350 hehe

Here's my first question? What is the best Ford Pickup, give me all
your thoughts. Thanks I feel like the '99 4-door Dually Diesal! It
Rocks.

Lets see

1) 1956 Ford F100
2) 1993-96 Ford F150 Lightning
3) 1999 Ford Lightning
4) Any year F350 4x4 with centurion package
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:54:16 -0600
From: "Karen Dyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company or
does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
Just wondering, Thanks!
Sincerely,
Karen


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:15:56 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Karen Dyer wrote:
>
> Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company or
> does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
>
All one company. There's a bit of interesting history there too, but I
don't remember all the dates.

The Ford Motor Company, the one we all know and love now, was about the
third company that old Henry Ford founded.

One of his earlier companies was founded in conjuction with a man named
Henry(?) Leland. Well, Henry Ford and Mr. Leland didn't really get along
and H.Ford was eventually ejected from the company. He was the engineer,
not the money man. Leland later sold that company to
Durant, and that company became the Cadillac
Division of General Motors.

henry Leland went on to found Lincoln but never had enough money to make
a proper go of it. Henry Ford took great delight in buying out Lincoln
and then booting Leland out of there. Especially the booting part ;-)

Mercury was started in 1939 (?) as a car to bridge the proce gap between
Ford and Lincoln.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:04:07 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy

Ken Payne wrote:

> This is now FTE policy and will be added to our FAQ. Any
> violation of this policy will result in immediate removal
> from the s*bscriber list, blockage from re-s*bscribing and
> a complaint will be emailed to the Amsoil corporation.

Soooooooo Ken. How do you really feel ?
Don't hold back. :-)
--
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:19:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Amsoil Policy

Forwarded for: "Michael Redden"

Ken:
The reason that I s*bscribe to the FTE lists is that they are pretty well.
Spam free. Thanks to everyone for keeping the spam off of here!

Mike
redden enter.net



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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:23:18 -0600
From: "Karen Dyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Roy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2


>Karen Dyer wrote:
>>
>> Okay here's my 2nd question does Lincoln Mercury and Ford all one company
or
>> does Ford just go in with them at there locations?
>>
>All one company. There's a bit of interesting history there too, but I
>don't remember all the dates.
>
>The Ford Motor Company, the one we all know and love now, was about the
>third company that old Henry Ford founded.
>
>One of his earlier companies was founded in conjuction with a man named
>Henry(?) Leland. Well, Henry Ford and Mr. Leland didn't really get along
>and H.Ford was eventually ejected from the company. He was the engineer,
>not the money man. Leland later sold that company to
> Durant, and that company became the Cadillac
>Division of General Motors.
>
>henry Leland went on to found Lincoln but never had enough money to make
>a proper go of it. Henry Ford took great delight in buying out Lincoln
>and then booting Leland out of there. Especially the booting part ;-)
>
>Mercury was started in 1939 (?) as a car to bridge the proce gap between
>Ford and Lincoln.
>--
>Andre
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Andre,
Thanks, now I know that my car is a part of the Ford family. By the way do
you like the new cougars?

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:36:08 -0600
From: "Karen Dyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle

Not to talk about dodge cars but my dynasty did the same thing. It was its
computer chip and some important pump that was all in all was going to cost
me around $3000.00, my car was barely worth that. I would take it to a local
Ford house and have them do a checkup. I don't know its a thought though.
Karen
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From: Vogt Family
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com ;
perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 5:13 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '90 E-250 5.0 Performance-Won't Run or Idle


>Hello, my buddy has a '90 or '91 E-250 with a 5.0 motor that won't keep
>running of its own accord. It will only keep running if you continually
>pump the throttle. Once let off it sputters and dies, if you try to
>hold it down in one place it dies too. I believe it is a speed density
>system so I am guessing that maybe the MAP sensor could be the culprit
>and when we stomp on the throttle it temporarily reverts to throttle
>position for fuel delivery (enrichment I'd guess) and then tries to
>switch back to MAP and dies. Not having a scan tool is a real pain in
>situations like these. Anybody have any ideas?
>
>Birken
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:16:26 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Karen Dyer wrote:

> Thanks, now I know that my car is a part of the Ford family. By the way do
> you like the new cougars?
>
Very nice, even if a bit big around the back end.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:29:03 -0500
From: "Mike S."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

Hi Azie, I'm Mike Smith from North Central Florida. I've got an '89
F-350 with the diesel, and I love it. Usually the ambulances and such
get a lot better care than the other vehicles, so I'd guess you
wouldn't have too much to worry about. There are several hot spots
with diesels, Ford in particular to check on:

- - You might see if you can get the service records, to be sure of the
kind of maintenance they've been doing.

- - Ford neglected to mention the old cavitation problem with diesels to
their retail clients (not in the user manual) so some people didn't
know to take the precaution of using the proper additive. Fleetguard
makes some test strips to check that the level is OK.

- - If you've got the E4OD, there have been some impressive horror
stories, but mine seems to be OK for now (knock wood). You might want
to have the pressures checked on it to see if it's in line with what's
expected and a fluid change that there isn't anything hidden.

- - I've heard that some guys will even get the oil analyzed to check
for suspended particles and such. Apparently it can tell a pretty
good story and isn's supposed to cost too much. (I've been thinking
about doing this myself, as soon as I get one of those round tuit's
:-))

Anyway, if you go for it, I hope it works well for you. Ours has been
going nice and strong for about a year now, and it certainly pulls a
lot better than our old gas guzzler.

Mike
(remove the 'downto.' for correct e-mail address)


am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
> 61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
> interest lie.
>
> I've come across what I believe to be a good project, and I need some
> advise from those of you who may be more knowledgeable of the Diesels. I'm
> looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD. It
> is a '90 model (ex Ambulance) with 125000 miles on it. What are the things
> to look/listen for in the diesel?? Is there any thing (s) in particular
> that I should look/listen for??? What type economy can I expect?? Is
> 125000 miles on a Ford (IH) diesel worthy of any particular problem
> showing up soon. I've farmed all my life and am very familiar with diesels
> in farm equipment, but all my trucks have always been gasoline. I'm
> looking to customize this jewel into a sleeper type cab arrangement and put
> a flatbed dump on it. Am I looking for trouble??? What could I expect to
> pay for an engine if I went to a junk yard and asked for a replacement for
> this jewel?? Can it be turbo'ed fairly easily?? What is the advantage of
> the later model "powerstroke" diesels over the '90??
>
> Lots of questions, I know. Hope you guys can help an old man out here.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:56 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Self destructing 8.8 rear end

I just investigated the source of a horrible clunk in my rear end and guess
what I found? Spider gear pieces everywhere and a split carrier housing.
Now my question is, can I get just a carrier assembly with the clutch plates
and spider gears? My ring and pinion were untouched and can be saved. Any
ideas? It is a 1989 F150 4x4 8.8 Traction Lok with 3.55 gears.
Thanks

Christopher T. Maher


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:22:03 -0600
From: "bikerdan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

- ----------
>,but it does NOT improve performance.

Sorry, I disagree. When I changed to systethic oil in a motorcycle[no other
changes were made]
I cut 4 tenths off my quarter mile e.t.

Some say due to a lower frictional coeficeint
Dan Fischer
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:18:31 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question

That's an easy one,
1976 F-250 Crew Cab Short bed
Last year for the 390 V-8
first year for electronic ignition
NP435 tranny
divorced NP205 t-case
Dana 60 axles front and rear
The most durable drivetrain-and the best body styling.

All in my humble opinion of course,

Rade
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From: Karen Dyer
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 4:12 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Group Question


>
>Okay group,
>Here's my first question? What is the best Ford Pickup, give me all your
>thoughts. Thanks I feel like the '99 4-door Dually Diesal! It Rocks.
>
>Karen
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:21:36 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Group Question 2

Ugh!!!
They took a great rear wheel drive performance coupe and turned it into a
front wheel drive car that looks vaguely like a cross between an Acura (ugh)
and a Geo Storm (super ugh).
Just my ranting opinion...

Rade

>Thanks, now I know that my car is a part of the Ford family. By the way do
>you like the new cougars?
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:25:34 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

No offense but most truck owners (aside from those blessed with a Lightning)
are not going to be drag racing their trucks any time soon. Four tenths of
a mile is not a bad improvement for a full throttle drag racing situation,
but if you translate that down into everyday driving or towing the effect of
the synthetic is virtually nil.

Rade
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From: bikerdan
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N


>
>
>----------
>>,but it does NOT improve performance.
>
>Sorry, I disagree. When I changed to systethic oil in a motorcycle[no other
>changes were made]
>I cut 4 tenths off my quarter mile e.t.
>
>Some say due to a lower frictional coeficeint
>Dan Fischer
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:22:44 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Temperature Sensor

I have a chart in one of my books that has the resistance values for the
different temps. As soon as I find it I will send you the info you need.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Neff, Charles
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 3:36 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Temperature Sensor


>The temperature sensor on my 1987 F-150 with 302 is off scale on the low
>side. Can someone tell me what the resistance of the sensor on the engine
>should be when the engine is cold and also when is is at normal operating
>temperature. Also, where is this sensor located. I suspect that it is the
>sensor but if it's easy to test I will do that first.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:32:18 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - synth oil works here

No offense, but my truck is starting on first crank, with snow on it (and
not plugged in), with synth. That starter screams! That's an easy 10-30
seconds improvement! And it starts like gas, within a half second or two, no
wait for the 'wait to start light' to go out, for the rest of the day/night.

zya in the 21st century,
zeb
'88 F250 7.3 rebuilt 9k ago

At 06:25 PM 11/19/98 -0000, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>No offense but most truck owners (aside from those blessed with a Lightning)
>are not going to be drag racing their trucks any time soon. Four tenths of
>a mile is not a bad improvement for a full throttle drag racing situation,
>but if you translate that down into everyday driving or towing the effect of
>the synthetic is virtually nil.
>
>Rade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bikerdan
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 1:53 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
>
>
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>,but it does NOT improve performance.
>>
>>Sorry, I disagree. When I changed to systethic oil in a motorcycle[no other
>>changes were made]
>>I cut 4 tenths off my quarter mile e.t.
>>
>>Some say due to a lower frictional coeficeint
>>Dan Fischer
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