80-96-list-digest Wednesday, November 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 391



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Sythetic Oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - battery cable resistance
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N
FTE 80-96 - Durabak spray-ins, any good?

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:26:56 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Sythetic Oil

>On the synthetic oil issue, I can quote from several different Ford mags and
>others on power and low buck build up articles. All of these articles have
>used synthetic fluids in correspondence with bolt ons or shown their
>respective gains alone. As Chris said it may be a minimal increase, but it is
>there. I can speak from experience on my Flareside that the Mobil 1 synthetic
>was good for 2 tenths in the 1/8. I had run consistent 11.23-.25 times at my
>fastest in the 1/8th and they dropped to consistent 11.05-.06 all day long.
>Just my humble insight on an on going debate.
>Wayne Foy
>FLR150 aol.com
>'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:49:12 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - battery cable resistance

Troy Williams wrote:

> I noticed that my battery cables are in HORRIBLE shape. The
> insulation has work off in quite a number of the spots on the cable.
> Anyway, I am going to be replacing those in the near future as
> well.. Anyway, when it rains and I go through a puddle and shut
> the truck off, the thing gives up one heck of a fight trying to get it
> started again. :(
>
> I had gotten some ignition sealer and it seems to do just fine, but
> then I am wondering of the battery cables can be part of the
> problem.

Troy,
My opinion is replace the cables than let us know
if the problem persists.
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:02:02 -0600
From: "Karen Dyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...

The paper is for my Computer Information & Access class. I have to pose two
comments or question to the group
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From: Randy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...


>A college paper on e-mail groups? I have to know what class that is
>for...lol
>
>Later
>Brew
>
>Karen Dyer wrote:
>>
>
>-----snip-----
>
>> >>
>> Hi, I'm new to the group. I agree to that diesels are alot less trouble
in
>> stop and go traffic. All of our families vehicles are Ford diesels except
>> for my car. One good thing about the diesels is they can run forever and
not
>> get overheated like cars. Please send comments to me at. KDYER itlnet.net
>> Thanks. I am doing this email group for a college paper. Thanks again.
>> Sincerely,
>> Karen Dyer
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:31:02 -0700
From: Tom Higgins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

I run synthetic oil in my 1996 F150 302 cid and have since about 15,000
miles. I also change the oil every 3000 miles (yes I know that it is
expensive). I don't notice ANY difference with the synthetic oil. I'll
let you know if I get more than 200,000 miles out of it. That's what my
mother got out of her Town Car with the same engine and regular oil changed
every 3,000 miles. If I do acheive the the goal of 250,000 miles out of
the engine than I guess it is worth it.

I may reconsider the frequency of synthetic oil changes once I am out from
under warranty but until then (according to my owners manual) even with
synthetic you need to change synthetic oil on the same schedule as with
regular oil or you void the warranty.

Just my $.02 worth.

Tom in Phoenix


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:38:09 EST
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

I am sure there are people out there that also have felt no benefit from a
K&N filter although they have been proven to increase performance too.
I have talked to several engine builders with extensive dyno testing. All of
them state that synthetic oil shows a horsepower increase of around 10% over
petroleum oil. It can do this by reducing friction in the engine. When a
synthetic is made the molecules are chosen for there shape and size. The
manufacturer tries to get the most consistent shape and size possible. The
uniform molecules flow easier threw the engine. When a petroleum oil is made
size and shape of the molecules are not considered. Most people I have talked
to about any synthetic oil have seen a performance increase as well as an
increase in fuel economy. The increases where small but nevertheless they
where there.
Synthetic lubricants in every way out perform petroleum oil. My main reason
for the post was to give the benefits of synthetics. Use any you choose but
there are differences between them. Such as what base stock are used, the
additive packages, quality control, etc. Like trucks there are a lot of
different ones but none are the same.
The idle air control valve can be cleaned as per my factory shop manuals by
taking it apart. It does not say it can be cleaned on the vehicle. I have
been using Power Foam for several years and have never had to take it apart
again.
Amsoil products have been proven time and time again to be the best.
Leading lubricant industry magazines have written how well they perform and
endure.
I am truly sorry to offend anyone by my postings. I try to share all of
my knowledge and experiences so others may benefit. I also enjoy learning
from others and sharing there experiences so that we may all benefit. That is
why I joined this group. I have responded to other posts without mentioning
anything about oil.
Email me if anyone would like to take this discussion further.

Craig
skibarefut aol.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:29:17 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Synthetic oil

My main concern with synthetic oil is I've heard that if you run it in
older vehicles
it can tend to leak out where there was no leakage before (like valve cover
gaskets).
Not that it causes leaks. Since I have no new vehicles to try it in, I've
been a little skittish about putting it old ones that have already been
leaking :

I do try to change the conventional oil between 2&3K miles. I've had
trucks with
milages of 165K and 225K when I sold them. Still going strong.
Those were ones I got when older and changed the oil real often at first.
Vehicles I bought new had over 150K when
I sold them and didn't even burn any oil between changes.

Since the synthetics don't break down as fast under high engine temps,
it would be nice to go longer between changes. I don't really like
to have to recycle the stuff as much as I do anyway.

Just my 2 cents, too. Thanks for the input (as usual). Don't mean to
start
a flame war about oil or anything else!

mike







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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:38:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

At 06:38 PM 11/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
> I am sure there are people out there that also have felt no benefit from a
>K&N filter although they have been proven to increase performance too.
> I have talked to several engine builders with extensive dyno testing. All of
>them state that synthetic oil shows a horsepower increase of around 10% over
>petroleum oil.

There is no way synthetic oil is going to give an engine 10-20 horses.
I've never seen a single dyno test in any of the rags that back this
claim. All the dyno tests are closer to 2 hp. Can you give me names
phone numbers of the engine builders? If they can get 10-20 horses
out of an engine by switching to synthetic, I'd like to talk to them.

> Amsoil products have been proven time and time again to be the best.

By who? Amsoil salespersons? The vast majority of their products
aren't even API certified.

>Leading lubricant industry magazines have written how well they perform and
>endure.

Which magazines? Sources please.....

> I am truly sorry to offend anyone by my postings. I try to share all of
>my knowledge and experiences so others may benefit.

When it comes to Amsoil, its hard to believe. I've seen too many Amsoil
sales droids pitch their products on the newsgroups for the past 5 years.
There was **always** a sales motive behind their "advice." Whenever they
give their pitch, they don't have facts, just heresay and unproven
testimonials.

- -Ken

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:05:56 -0500
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

Gentlemen,

I think we are all sick of hearing about Amsoil both here and in the
newsgroups. Can we kill this thread?

Steve

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 06:38 PM 11/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > I am sure there are people out there that also have felt no benefit from a
> >K&N filter although they have been proven to increase performance too.
> > I have talked to several engine builders with extensive dyno testing. All of
> >them state that synthetic oil shows a horsepower increase of around 10% over
> >petroleum oil.
>
> There is no way synthetic oil is going to give an engine 10-20 horses.
> I've never seen a single dyno test in any of the rags that back this
> claim. All the dyno tests are closer to 2 hp. Can you give me names
> phone numbers of the engine builders? If they can get 10-20 horses
> out of an engine by switching to synthetic, I'd like to talk to them.
>
> > Amsoil products have been proven time and time again to be the best.
>
> By who? Amsoil salespersons? The vast majority of their products
> aren't even API certified.
>
> >Leading lubricant industry magazines have written how well they perform and
> >endure.
>
> Which magazines? Sources please.....
>
> > I am truly sorry to offend anyone by my postings. I try to share all of
> >my knowledge and experiences so others may benefit.
>
> When it comes to Amsoil, its hard to believe. I've seen too many Amsoil
> sales droids pitch their products on the newsgroups for the past 5 years.
> There was **always** a sales motive behind their "advice." Whenever they
> give their pitch, they don't have facts, just heresay and unproven
> testimonials.
>
> -Ken
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:18:56 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...

At 10:02 AM 11/17/98 -0600, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>The paper is for my Computer Information & Access class. I have to pose two
>comments or question to the group

Hi Karen,

Here's a question you could ask: Why should I buy a Ford? The song says "If
I had some money .... I'd buy a ford truck or two'. Is that because I need
an extra one for when the other is in the shop costing bucks?

Two questions in one!

Grin,

Looking forward to Your second question,
Lamar

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>From: Randy
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 9:54 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
>
>
>>A college paper on e-mail groups? I have to know what class that is
>>for...lol
>>
>>Later
>>Brew
>>
>>Karen Dyer wrote:
>>>
>>
>>-----snip-----
>>
>>> >>
>>> Hi, I'm new to the group. I agree to that diesels are alot less trouble
>in
>>> stop and go traffic. All of our families vehicles are Ford diesels except
>>> for my car. One good thing about the diesels is they can run forever and
>not
>>> get overheated like cars. Please send comments to me at. KDYER itlnet.net
>>> Thanks. I am doing this email group for a college paper. Thanks again.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Karen Dyer
>>>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:34:05 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest;was K&N

>claim. All the dyno tests are closer to 2 hp. Can you give me names
>phone numbers of the engine builders? If they can get 10-20 horses
>out of an engine by switching to synthetic, I'd like to talk to them.

My .02 on synthetic oil. I am sure that the 10-20hp deal is just a
dream.

But I will relate my first hand test experience. First off, I have never
tried Amsoil. I am a bit leery of using a product that it's manufacturer
doesn't stand behind enough to have it certified.

While it is not a Ford truck (but I do tow it with a 92 F-150) I have a 69
Mustang Fastback dragcar. It is equipped with a 383-W stroker, solid
roller, Dart heads, etc. According to the car's weight and dragstrip
times it makes about 580 hp at the flywheel. I was running Valvoline
10W-30. Back last spring I took it to the track and made two passes. Both
were within .01 sec and dead on in mph. I then changed the oil to Mobil 1
10W-30 at the track and made two more passes. The weather did not change
between the runs. These passes were .05-.06 quicker and .4-.5 mph faster.

This slighter better performance should equal about 5 hp total. This is
slightly less than 1%. Since my engine makes more power than a street
engine I would agree that about 2 hp is reasonable for a 200 hp street engine.

Later,

David Cole

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:03:55 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Durabak spray-ins, any good?

Thought I might jump in on the spray-in bedliner thread here. Just
wondering if anyone has ever used the Durabak spray-in? This is a
do-it-yourself can you can spray or roll in. I was just at the web
site, but I didn't see a price (it may be there, but hard to find),
which ALWAYS sends up a flag for me for ANY advertiser, if they don't....


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