80-96-list-digest Sunday, November 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 388



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 460 Misc. Parts Needed
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New web BBS
FTE 80-96 - Surge
FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners
Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners
FTE 80-96 - Replacing oil pan gasket
Re: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test at Idle
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Password changing if you have an FTE email account
FTE 80-96 - fuel master and force air
FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain
Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners
FTE 80-96 - K&N
FTE 80-96 - error message
FTE 80-96 - Re: Surge
Re: FTE 80-96 - fuel master and force air
Re: FTE 80-96 - Replacing oil pan gasket
Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners
FTE 80-96 - Re: Emissions Test at Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park
FTE 80-96 - re high hydrocarbons
FTE 80-96 - Massair Vs Speed Density Resolved

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:34:38 -0500
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 Misc. Parts Needed

Anybody out there have a tired-old 460 in need of a rebuild that I can
pirate parts from? OR do you just happen to have some 460 parts that were
suppose to go in your Rustang that never made it because you bought a
shiney new Mustang? ANYWAY, I need 460 parts.....everything....head bolts,
automatic flywheel, oil pan (truck style), aluminum intake, your 17 year
old sister....wait....no, some 429CJ heads would be nice.....anyway you get
the point. Let me know what you have.

Thanks,
Dale Frenz
frenz.6 osu.edu


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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:59:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New web BBS

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has added an additional service. We now
have a web based BBS message center. Check it out!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:24:34 -0600
From: Neal Osburn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Surge

The following is an excerpt from the article at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.g50mc.org/tech/idle.html

"The EEC-IV is programmed to idle the car at 672 RPM. Incorrect throttle
plate position is the primary cause of the problem in most cars. To adjust
this, back the screw out until it no longer touches the throttle plate
stop. Insert a 0.010 feeler gauge between the screw and the stop and turn
the screw until it touches the feeler gauge. Then turn the screw another
1.5 turns. Then adjust the TPS (throttle position sensor) to 0.98V."

The info is for a 5.0L Mustang, but it may be the fix.

Neal
Neal
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:27:03 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners

Hi:
I just posted my first message on the bbs. Check it out. Ken strikes
again!
I'm repeating the post here just for full coverage ;

What, in your esteemed opinions, is the best bedliner?
Spray-on or slide-in? Any brand preferences?

I know the spray-ins are very durable and last a long time.
What if your truck is in an accident? Will insurance
companies pay to have the expensive spray-ins repaired?
Can they be repaired like new?

What slide-in is the most durable? I like them because they
can be removed and reused if you get another truck.
Spray-in manufactures say that they improve resale.
I'd be amazed if anyone paid you as much extra for
your truck used as it cost to apply the spray-in liner ($500-600).

Thanks again,

Mike

redden enter.net
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:06:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners

At 04:27 PM 11/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi:
>I just posted my first message on the bbs. Check it out. Ken strikes
>again!
>I'm repeating the post here just for full coverage ;
>

I think it strikes a good balance. The list is a good place to
find detailed answers ASAP. The BBS is for long term conversations
or for those who just casually visit the site now and then.

Found one bug already, Netscape 3.0 wasn't showing everything
on the screen. That's been corrected. Same problem probably
existed in IE 3.0 too because it doesn't support table classes
either.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:16:41 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Replacing oil pan gasket

My '87 F-250 4x4 351W is in need of an oil pan gasket.
I would like to hear from those who've changed theirs. You can e-mail
me direct if you'd like. The biggest question I have is: Did you
have to raise the engine to remove the pan? I have the Dana 50 TTB,
but obviously the obstacles are the crossmember, tranny bellhousing
and, of course, the crankshaft/oil pump. If you have to raise the
motor, how far did you have to go, in other words, if it was only an
inch or two did you have to disconnect anything? exhaust? I've
gotten prices of about 26 bucks for the one-piece Fel-Pro rubber
gasket. Any other tips or things I need to know?

Thanks,
Brew
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:50:12 EST
From: Mitch89025 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Emissions Test at Idle

Hey man
burning high octane fuel before going in for the test , should make you pass
with flyin' colors.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:05:51 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Password changing if you have an FTE email account

For those of you who purchased or where given a FTE email account
(yourname ford-trucks.com), we have added the ability to change
your email account password.

The server now supports "poppass" service, the Eudora change
password server. Using the poppass service, users of the POP server
can automatically change their POP passwords from inside their
Eudora mail clients or other mail clients that support the Eudora
password changing mechanism.

Simply select the "Change Password" option from the menu of your
compliant mail client to access the poppassd feature.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:10:37 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel master and force air

has anyone ever used the FuelMaster magnetic fuel saver? did it help
any?
and has anyone ever used the "Force" Air intake performance system?
I saw these 2 things in jcwhitney catalog and thought about getting
them. I wanted to get opinions first.
thanks in advance
Shy




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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:14:05 EST
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain

A cylinder leaak down test will be able to tell where the compression is
being lost.

Craig
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:21:53 -0800
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners

Mike

I don't know where you are located but in my area, a spray-on runs $374.
$449 if you want the bedrails done.

Around here, it rains over 100 days a year. Rust is a real issue and
slide-ins don't seal everything out. Also, I'm guessing that if I bought a
new truck, I wouldn't want to put an old bedliner in it.

Dennis

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From: Michael Redden
To: 80-96-List
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 1:12 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners


>Hi:
>I just posted my first message on the bbs. Check it out. Ken strikes
>again!
>I'm repeating the post here just for full coverage ;
>
>What, in your esteemed opinions, is the best bedliner?
>Spray-on or slide-in? Any brand preferences?
>
>I know the spray-ins are very durable and last a long time.
>What if your truck is in an accident? Will insurance
>companies pay to have the expensive spray-ins repaired?
>Can they be repaired like new?
>
>What slide-in is the most durable? I like them because they
>can be removed and reused if you get another truck.
>Spray-in manufactures say that they improve resale.
>I'd be amazed if anyone paid you as much extra for
>your truck used as it cost to apply the spray-in liner ($500-600).
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Mike
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:25:27 EST
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N

Another great way to improve performance and fuel economy is with synthetic
oil. Email me at skibarefut aol.com for more info on the best oil available
and how to get it.
Craig





















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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:49:14 EST
From: PDDEAN aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - error message

I have '93 F-150, 5.0L. I had some problems with the trans(auto) electrical
harness the caused the speed-o-meter to malfunction. Have since solved the
problem but I have an "error" message on my odometer readout. Does anyone
know how I can reset the odometer?

Thanks,
Paul,
Lahaina
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:55:45 EST
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Surge

The idle air control valve will cause this problem. Email me at
skibarefut aol.com and I will tell you how to clean it and of a product to
keep it clean.

Craig
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:26:31 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - fuel master and force air

While I must admit ignorance about these two items, I think I can safely say
that they will not help your mileage or performance any. Most of the
"magic" fuel economy devices are totally bogus. You would be better of
spending your money on a good tune up and carb adjustment. Most trick ways
at improving performance or economy have hidden costs in them, for instance
while a certain device may improve cruising mileage, it may also make the
idle rough or any other host of problems.

Rade
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From: shy anne
To: ford maillist
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:13 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel master and force air


>has anyone ever used the FuelMaster magnetic fuel saver? did it help
>any?
>and has anyone ever used the "Force" Air intake performance system?
>I saw these 2 things in jcwhitney catalog and thought about getting
>them. I wanted to get opinions first.
>thanks in advance
>Shy
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:40:18 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Replacing oil pan gasket

Brew:

I just replaced my pan and gasket on my '85 351W 2x2.
I had to jack up the motor, disconnect the exhaust.
I would consider replacing the oil pump too, while your at it
I have150K miles, so I didn't hesitiate! New fuel pump, too.

Mike

> My '87 F-250 4x4 351W is in need of an oil pan gasket.
> IDid you> have to raise the engine to remove the pan? I have the Dana 50
TTB,
> but obviously the obstacles are the crossmember, tranny bellhousing
> and, of course, the crankshaft/oil pump. If you have to raise the
> motor, how far did you have to go, in other words, if it was only an
> inch or two did you have to disconnect anything?
> Thanks,
> Brew

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:45:35 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - bbs and bedliners

Dennis:

Thanks> The one quote I got was from Rhino. They wanted $500 for under
the rails!
I was going to put on a tonnau cover, so I thought I might "slide-by" with
a slide-in.
I hear you about the rust. That's one thing I DON"T want to deal with!
Mike

redden enter.net


> Mike
>
> I don't know where you are located but in my area, a spray-on runs $374.
> $449 if you want the bedrails done.
>
> Around here, it rains over 100 days a year. Rust is a real issue and
> slide-ins don't seal everything out. Also, I'm guessing that if I bought
a
> new truck, I wouldn't want to put an old bedliner in it.
>
> Dennis

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:49:06 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Emissions Test at Idle

Thanks to Rade, Dave, and Randy, who offered advice about my problems
passing an idle emissions test.

Rade, I'll try to take a look at the Air Bypass valve, but if it's off, it
isn't off by much. Usually I fail the test because of high HC, but I
usually just barely miss the mark.

I thought of the catalytic converter too (1986 truck with 110K miles), but
I've had the truck 4 years now, and this problem hasn't gotten any worse.
And as I mentioned, I don't fail by much. I think a bad catalyst would
give me more problems. The air pump is connected, but I have been thinking
that it may be time to replace my O2 sensor. I have no idea how old it is.
If it were bad, though, I think I'd have more driveability problems, and
my gas mileage would probably go down.

I'm going to go with Randy's suggestion and try the fuel additive.
Especially since overall the truck runs fine. I have the feeling my shop
is right, and this isn't that uncommon. I even have a Ford sticker under
the hood that tells you what to do to pass the idle test, suggesting to me
that even Ford recognized that there might be problems.

Thanks again,

Mark
1986 F150 5L, EFI, 2WD
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:57:55 EST
From: CMYRED1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park

I believe you can shift if you put it in nutral befor you start it.i have
f450, they work this way.
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:23:13 -0600
From: "Ralph Ward"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re high hydrocarbons

I just had to have my throttle position sensor replaced for high
hydrocarbons, high CO, and high oxygen. Don't know what it cost, it was the
dealer's problem. I am referring to a '91 Ranger with 2.3l FI. hope it's
some help

cc'd to author & list

Ralph Ward

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:54:09 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Massair Vs Speed Density Resolved

OK Gentleman...I have solved my problem of figuring out what air system I
have. I do know that the late 95 and newer trucks came with the massair setup.
I went to my a Ford MOTORSPORT dealer and looked under the hood of a newer
truck. My setup under the hood is the same. Then just to make sure I went to
the top tech on their drivability line and had him look under the hood also.
He explained that "If I had the speed density system I would have 2 tubes
straight from the airbox to the throttle body. Mine has a massair meter right
after the airbox, stays a single tube until just inches from the throttle body
then splits for the dual inlets." This option, as one of you pointed out, was
required on all of the West coast trucks, '94 0n, and also on some special
option packages such as the Mark III conversions (mine was originally a mark
III until the previous owner removed all the flares and graphics). So to all
of you who offered you assistance thanks..I hope I can be of some to you in....


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