80-96-list-digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 386



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - accesories?
FTE 80-96 - front shocks - lower attachment
FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain
Re: FTE 80-96 - rear antilock & break lights on 89 ranger
RE: FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain
FTE 80-96 - Newbie with Questions on '84 F-150!
FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating
FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump
Re: FTE 80-96 - Overheating
Re: FTE 80-96 - accesories?
FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange
FTE 80-96 - Question about tire sizes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about tire sizes
FTE 80-96 - re: battery savers
FTE 80-96 - heater core
FTE 80-96 - Tranny change for 85 F350 6.9L Diesel crew cab
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange
FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park
Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park
Re: FTE 80-96 - heater core
FTE 80-96 - AntiLock Brake light
Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park
FTE 80-96 - 89 f150
Re: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150
FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange
FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN
FTE 80-96 - K&N
Re: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN
Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N
FTE 80-96 - oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN

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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:09:49 -0500
From: nwo4life4ever juno.com (Tom Kirkbride)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - accesories?

Any one know of any web sites, catalogs, or companys that have good,
quality, truck accesories. If so, e-mail me personally at


Thanks,
Tom Kirkbride
'85 Bronco II
Looking for a mustang though. If you have any for sale, let me know.
P.S. Not new, I want to re-build it myself.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:14:09 -0500
From: "Kerry Struble"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - front shocks - lower attachment

Hi Folks,
I recently purchased an '80 F-250 4x4. Anyone know the specs on the nut &
bolt that fastens the bottom of the front shock(s) to the frame? I just
noticed the nut & bolt on the right front shock is missing.

Kerry Struble
strummn1 worldpath.net

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:15:25 -0400
From: "Irvine Bruce"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain

I've got a loud "ticking" noise in my 300 I-6 1980 (all stock). Earlier
mechanics were telling me it was the hydraulic lifters, so I replaced them all
and several somewhat non-straight pushrods. Cleaned out a lot of dirt from
the valve cover and rod cover too. Anyway, I get it all back together and it
sounds just as bad as before.

What else could it be? I've got low compression in #4,(seems like a valve
problem because it doesn't improve with an oil squirt) but otherwise the truck
runs like a champ. I don't want to replace the entire valvetrain (from
camshaft on up) because trouble shooting by replacement is awfully expensive.

What is the logical way to trouble shoot this? The ticking noise doesn't seem
to be bothering anything so I can take my time I suppose.

By the way, I get about 15 mpg with the 300 I-6 with the 3 speed manual and a
2.75 rear end. Is this about average? I've heard that the 4 speed overdrive
manual and the I-6 is the best for mileage. Anyone got this combination and
care to comment?

Bruce Irvine
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:16:28 -0500
From: Chris Porter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - rear antilock & break lights on 89 ranger

i found the one for the emergency break.. (it's on the master cylinder) but
the rear antilock one is the one i cant figure out where it is.. any ideas?
also, anybody know where i can get that seatbelt? :)

- -chris



At 10:33 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Chris,
>Seems to me that bugger has to plug in someplace, right? Unplug it
>for inspection at least if you don't find the problem by then...
>
>Later,
>Brew
>
>Chris Porter wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>> the diagnostics lights for rear antilock and the light that ususally is for
>> the emergency break for my 89 ranger supercab wont shut off. i've had a few
>> brakes places look at it, and they can find nothing wrong with the breaks
>> at all.. so i'm guessing something with the electrical.. but i have no
>> clue.. and i cant get it past VA state inspection unless those lights are
>> off..
>> any ideas?
>>
>> also anyone know where i can get a seatbelt for an 89 ranger supercab? it's
>> busted too. the dealer is the only place i know of and they want 89$ for
it..
>>
>> thanx
>> -chris
>>
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>> -Kobayashi
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:38:47 -0600
From: "Winters, Sean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain

Hey Bruce.

I have the I-6 with the 4sp od, or, TOD as Ford calls it and the same rear
end. My mileage is somewhere around 18 on the highway doing ~65 mph. Speed
it up and it falls off to something around 14 at ~75. The 2 chamber
flowmaster picked it up about 1.5 mpg. BTW "in town" mileage is pretty bad,
probably around 12...not sure why.

If you can find one for a decent price, the TOD is MUCH nicer to drive than
the 3sp manual you currently have. I got mine out of a junker truck that I
bought for parts. If you get the tranny be sure and pull out the access
cover in the floor plan along with the boot. You cross member on the tranny
will have to be "turned around" from what it currently is; I know that
sounds stupid, but it works perfectly.

This is probably of no use to you, but mine developed a "tick" in the
valvetrain about a year ago. Being the kind of person that will *always* try
the cheapest stuff first, I went to Pep Boys and picked a $3 bottle of Gunk
mystery oil (if it works it will be a mystery). Don't know exactly what it
is called but it is by Gunk, comes in a yellow bottle, and claims to quiten
noisy valve gear. Believe it or not it actually worked.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Irvine Bruce [mailto:irvine_bruce bah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:15 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Troubleshooting I-6 Valvetrain


I've got a loud "ticking" noise in my 300 I-6 1980 (all stock). Earlier
mechanics were telling me it was the hydraulic lifters, so I replaced them
all
and several somewhat non-straight pushrods. Cleaned out a lot of dirt from
the valve cover and rod cover too. Anyway, I get it all back together and
it
sounds just as bad as before.

What else could it be? I've got low compression in #4,(seems like a valve
problem because it doesn't improve with an oil squirt) but otherwise the
truck
runs like a champ. I don't want to replace the entire valvetrain (from
camshaft on up) because trouble shooting by replacement is awfully
expensive.

What is the logical way to trouble shoot this? The ticking noise doesn't
seem
to be bothering anything so I can take my time I suppose.

By the way, I get about 15 mpg with the 300 I-6 with the 3 speed manual and
a
2.75 rear end. Is this about average? I've heard that the 4 speed overdrive
manual and the I-6 is the best for mileage. Anyone got this combination and
care to comment?

Bruce Irvine
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:49:32 -0500
From: Jason Smith
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Newbie with Questions on '84 F-150!

I'm sure this is a topic that's been beaten to death, but I've just
joined up on the list and have a couple of questions! I have an '84
F-150 4x4 with a 302 2bbl and a 4-spd manual...

1.) What would be involved in switching in a 351W? I've heard this
motor is based off the same block. Is this an easy bolt-in or what?
Any drivetrain parts need replacing (clutch, flywheel, tranny, etc.)?

2.) I have 3/4 ton F-250 leafs in the back to help with towing and
cargo capacity. Unfortunately, the truck is raked like some kind of 16
year old's hot rod! I've been thinking about putting in "plow springs"
up front (with the appropriate adjusters for camber) to lift the front
end, however I don't plow, nor do I have the hardware. Is this going to
negatively affect the handling of my truck? I understand the ride will
be stiffer, but I'm more concerned about tire wear, handling, etc.

3.) Based on the above info, what would be the max tire and wheel combo
I could run without getting a "suspension/body lift kit"? I'd like to
put in the plow springs, which should boost the front by about 1.5" and
the back already came up almost 2" from stock with the F-250 suspension.
I currently have 31x10.5x15's on the stock 15" wheels, but the inside
sidewalls of the front tires rub on the suspension arm connected to the
axle (trailing arm?). I was thinking of going to 16" or 16.5" wagon
wheels with 33" or bigger rubber. Is this a pipe dream or will this
fit?

Thanks for the bandwidth and any and all help!


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:07:23 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating

Mark Lazor wrote:
I was hoping for a clue to an overheating engin. I have swapped
>almost all to the cooling system except the water pump. its an
>88 ford bronco with 5.8l and 160k miles.when the outside temp
>is humid and above 80 degree it will get to the red line on the***


Mark, I know there is two types of water pumps for I/300-6cyl. One of them
is been know to be called a "high flow pump". The differnce is : on the back
of the pump (engine side) is an extra plate added to the top of the fins. I
don't know if there are variations for the motor you have. Hope this helps.
G/L Bart

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:42:53 -0600
From: "Bruce Morgan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump

I have a 1989 7.3 Diesel truck and want to put on an electic fuel pump but
they come in several different pressure ratings which is right for my
application?





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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:39:01 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Overheating

Lazor, Mark wrote:

> >rad cap twice, thermostat 4 times. upper and lower hose, heater core
> >fan clutch (heavy duty) bigger transmission cooler. I am dreading to other
> possability that there is alot of friction intenally and having to get rid
> of this truck.

Mark,
Just a couple of things here that may seem simplistic but
people may not know better or don't give it a second thought.
Do you have a fan shroud over the fan. The directs the air where
it needs to be for neccessary cooling. Also, some people drive
around without a thermostat. NOT A SMART MOVE. The
theremostat directs and restricts the water/antifreeze when
neccessary also for proper cooling. Now a final note. If this
has just suddenly occurred and you are doing the same things
as you always have, and with the parts you have changed then
that leaves one of two things left(IMHO). The radiator is clogged
and needs a GOOD Flush and Fill or it needs to be replaced all
together. Don't know how often you do flush your coolant system
but once a year is a vey good idea. If those little holes on both
sides of the radiator can't blow water through then that causes
the temperature to rise, hence, overheating. My $0.02 as usual.
--
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:58:39 EST
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - accesories?

In a message dated 11/10/98 5:42:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
nwo4life4ever juno.com writes:

>
> Thanks,
> Tom Kirkbride
> '85 Bronco II
> Looking for a mustang though. If you have any for sale, let me know.
> P.S. Not new, I want to re-build it myself.
>
What year Mustang are you looking for? I have a 67 Mustang and an 79 Capri
that is the same as Mustang only has Mercury badges on it. Was a turbo but I
took that off. It is a 2.3 with a 4 speed. Runs but has been sitting along
time. The 67 is not for sale though!
D Baken
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:33:06 PST
From: "Bret Luter"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange

Fellow Ford Truck Nuts:

I have a line on a 4-speed (manual) tranny out of an '80 F350 but I
don't know if it will work in my truck ('85 F350 6.9l diesel, currently
with 4-spd manual tranny).

The guy who is selling it only knows that it came out of an '80 F350
with a V-8 motor (gas). He said he spoke to a friend of his at the local
Ford dealer who said it would work fine, but I'd like a 2nd (or 3rd or
4th) opinion from someone who's 'been there-done that'.

As I understand it, I should have a T-18, T-18D or T-19 tranny in my
truck now (??). How can I identify the tranny from this '80 to see if
it will work or not?? (and how can I identify exactly which tranny I
have - the door jamb sticker is GONE!!!).

p.s.- I will also post this to the Ford Diesel page.

Thanks to all in advance,
Bret in Raleigh, NC
'85 F350 Crew Cab 6.9l with grinding 4-spd tranny......

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:30:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Christopher Funk
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question about tire sizes

Hello,
Now that we are starting to get snow in the mountains AND I need
new tires, I have a question about optimum tire size for traction in the
snow (generally: which is better a narrower tire or a wider tire
(assuming the same tread design)).
As far as I can figure, a narrower tire will have a smaller contact
patch, resulting in more pressure applied to the ground (snow). I would
imagine that this would result in more "bite" -> better traction. On the
other hand, a wider tire will have more tread surface to do the gripping.
(my theoretical attempts at an answer are leaving me stuck )

What sort of experiences have people had and what would you recommend?

Thanks,
Andy Funk




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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:16:55 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question about tire sizes

Andrew Christopher Funk wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Now that we are starting to get snow in the mountains AND I need
> new tires, I have a question about optimum tire size for traction in the
> snow (generally: which is better a narrower tire or a wider tire
> (assuming the same tread design)).
> As far as I can figure, a narrower tire will have a smaller contact
> patch, resulting in more pressure applied to the ground (snow). I would
> imagine that this would result in more "bite" -> better traction. On the
> other hand, a wider tire will have more tread surface to do the gripping.
> (my theoretical attempts at an answer are leaving me stuck )
>
On snow or ice, you don't have much traction to begin with, so you want
to get the best you can. And your theory about narrow tires is right on.

Wide tires will tend to ride over the snow, not push it out of the way
or cut through it. It's the same when the road is wet, everything else
being equal, narrower tires will win out with more gription.

Now on dry roads, you don't have to push anything out of the way, and
the wider tire can get more rubber to the surface for more sticktion.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:53:55 -0800
From: Andy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: battery savers

hey, i just put one of those on this weekend. tested it out by leaving the
lights on for a while, and it worked just like the instructions said. truck
was harder to start than usual (couple extra cranks) but wasn't dead.
resetting the radio presets was a pain though cause my display is out. i
think it shuts off the power if the battery goes below 10 volts or something.

good luck.
andy

ps: optima batteries are great!

89 5.0 bronco






Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:34:58 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Battery Savers

Anyone had any experience with those battery savers, that sense a draw on
your battery (such as the lights being left on) and shut off the battery
while there is enough juice left to start it?






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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:24:44 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - heater core

Anybody ever replace the heater core in an '81 f-150. It looks like it
would be pretty easy except for the fact the the core is mounted in the case
in the engine compartment and the bolts are on the inside of the cab. The
problem is that I have dealer installed A/C in the way of everything.
Any tips would be appreciated.
jram swbell.net


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:41:10 -0700
From: "Barnaby Duncan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny change for 85 F350 6.9L Diesel crew cab

If I could find one bad thing about my truck, it would be that the "stock"
transmission is a 3-speed automatic.

The recent discussion concerning tranny swaps has got me thinking. I need
some input on the following:

1. What is better, automatic or manual? I am not doing "industrial" hauling,
just recreational.

2. Which transmissions would fit? I personally would go for either 4-speed
automatic or 5-speed manual. The p/n's would be helpful.

Barnaby

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:33:31 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange

your tranny will have some raised stamp letters and #'s indentifying what you
have. they are found on the drivers side right on the side of the unit. Good
luck. My opinion is that it will work. The bolt pattern should be the same.
I would recommend checking tail shaft length and also the Model # determines
what gear ratios are inside. That can make a huge difference in performance
and mileage.

Hrdknkr aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:26:47 -0700
From: Tom Higgins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park

>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:47:25 -0700
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>From: Tom Higgins
>Subject: Re: 80-96-list-digest V2 #384
>In-Reply-To:
>
>Greetings all.
>
>I want to alert the list to a problem I recently had with my 96 F150 302.
To make a long story short (and save myself some embarassment)my brake
lights shorted out while driving (my own darn fault). I noticed that the
ABS light was flashing on my dash - approximately 3 flashes with a pause in
between cycles. The brakes worked fine. I parked the vehcile and
restarted it - AND I COULDN"T GET IT OUT OF PARK. I tried wiggling the
steering wheel, rocking the vehicle etc. Nothing worked. After a 30
second conversation with a local Ford mechanic (Thankfully they were open)I
checked my brake lights and they were indeed shorted and wouldn't light up.
Fixed the problem, replaced the fuse (15 amps in my truck/same as the
"cigar lighter")and all was back to normal. Apparently there is a safety
cut off/mechanical block which prevents you from placing the truck in Drive
if the fuse to the brake lights is blown. I'm not convinced this is a good
idea.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this?
>Can anyone think of a reason I shouldn't disconnect this interlock?
>Has anyone else ever disconnected their interlock?
>
>Be safe and carry some extra fuses for your brake lights. I almost got
stuck a long way from home.
>
>Tom Higgins
>Phoenix, AZ.
>
Tom Higgins, M.D.

Department of Medical Toxicology
925 E. McDowell RD
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Phoenix, AZ 85006
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:06:29 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park

I want to alert the list to a problem I recently had with my 96 F150
302. To make a long story short (and save myself some embarassment)my
brake lights shorted out while driving (my own darn fault). I noticed
that the ABS light was flashing on my dash - approximately 3 flashes
with a pause in between cycles. The brakes worked fine. I parked the
vehcile and restarted it - AND I COULDN"T GET IT OUT OF PARK. I tried
wiggling the steering wheel, rocking the vehicle etc. Nothing worked.
After a 30 second conversation with a local Ford mechanic (Thankfully
they were open)I checked my brake lights and they were indeed shorted
and wouldn't light up. Fixed the problem, replaced the fuse (15 amps in
my truck/same as the "cigar lighter")and all was back to normal.
Apparently there is a safety cut off/mechanical block which prevents you
from placing the truck in Drive if the fuse to the brake lights is
blown. I'm not convinced this is a good idea.

You should be able to turn your key forward to where the steering wheel
unlocks and then put the tranny in nuetral start the truck then you can
drive! You should also have a mechanism that makes you apply your brake
to get it out of park...if this ever fails then you do the above
mentioned and you bypass it! Hope this is of some help! I haven't had to
do it yet!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:47:53 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - heater core

It's removed from the inside. Take out the glove box liner
and you can see the cover for it. All you have to do under
the hood is remove the heater hoses.

Bob


Jram wrote:
>
> Anybody ever replace the heater core in an '81 f-150. It looks like it
> would be pretty easy except for the fact the the core is mounted in the case
> in the engine compartment and the bolts are on the inside of the cab. The
> problem is that I have dealer installed A/C in the way of everything.
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> jram swbell.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:01:19 -0500
From: David Chiriboga
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AntiLock Brake light

>Subject: AntiLock Brake light
>
>Chris,
>I had the same problem with my 1992 Ford Aerostar extended (loaded options).
>The antilock brake light was coming on and off intermittently.
>Took it to my mechanic and he said the sensor in the wheel/hub which apparently
>monitors the frequency of the on-off pulsing of the rear brake shoes(or
>cylinder) gets gummed up from road/brake debris. No problem with brakes after
>he checked. He said Ford dealer always requires expensive replacement, not
>cleaning, and they are the only ones who can test and replace sensors as they
>have not released the rights for OEM test equipment to owned by other shops!
>He, however, cleaned them as best he could and said "no guarantees". It's
>been over a year and no problem. Hope this works for you.
>
>"Drive American! 1992 Ford Aerostar XLT extended and 1992 Ford F150 XLT!!
>Gotta' Love It!
> God Bless America!"
>Kind Regards,
>Boga
>==========================================================attachment........
>....
>> Chris Porter wrote:
>> >
>> > hi,
>> > the diagnostics lights for rear antilock and the light that ususally is for
>> > the emergency break for my 89 ranger supercab wont shut off. i've had a few
>> > brakes places look at it, and they can find nothing wrong with the breaks
>> > at all.. so i'm guessing something with the electrical.. but i have no
>> > clue.. and i cant get it past VA state inspection unless those lights are
>> > off..
>> > any ideas?
>> >
>> > also anyone know where i can get a seatbelt for an 89 ranger supercab? it's
>> > busted too. the dealer is the only place i know of and they want 89$ for
>it..
>> >
>> > thanx
>> > -chris
>> >
>> >



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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:19:36 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Couldn't get Truck out of Park

Ford started intalling these interlocks in response to unitended
acceleration law suit losses. Ford, along with all the other maunfactures
claimed there was nothing wrong with the vehicles, that the problem was
people stepping on the gas rather than the brake while shifting into drive.
To prove the point, and to stop the the law suits, manufactures started
intalling these lockouts. As far as I know there hasn't been a single case
of unitended acceleration lost by any manufacturer of a vehicle with the
brake/shift lock out.


>>I want to alert the list to a problem I recently had with my 96 F150 302.
>To make a long story short (and save myself some embarassment)my brake
>lights shorted out while driving (my own darn fault). I noticed that the
>ABS light was flashing on my dash - approximately 3 flashes with a pause in
>between cycles. The brakes worked fine. I parked the vehcile and
>restarted it - AND I COULDN"T GET IT OUT OF PARK. I tried wiggling the
>steering wheel, rocking the vehicle etc. Nothing worked. Apparently
there is a safety
>cut off/mechanical block which prevents you from placing the truck in Drive
>if the fuse to the brake lights is blown. I'm not convinced this is a good
>idea.
>>
>>Has anyone else experienced this?
>>Can anyone think of a reason I shouldn't disconnect this interlock?
>>Has anyone else ever disconnected their interlock?
>>
>>Be safe and carry some extra fuses for your brake lights. I almost got
>stuck a long way from home.
>>
>>Tom Higgins
>>Phoenix, AZ.
>>
>Tom Higgins, M.D.
>
>Department of Medical Toxicology
>925 E. McDowell RD
>Good Samaritan Regional Medical Center
>Phoenix, AZ 85006
>thiggins samaritan.edu
>fax# 602-239-4138
>Phone# 602-239-2358
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:36:15 -0500
From: Mark_Halpain ingerrand.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150

I have surge problems!

At idle all is fine unless the ac, heater, defrost are turned on then
the 302 efi surges to 2000 rpms and then drops so low the engine dies.

Any ideas?

Regards,

Mark Halpain

email: mark_halpain ingerrand.com


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:01:46 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150

First off, the AC & Defrost cause the clutch on the AC pump to engage. I am
not sure about the heater though.......Try unplugging the connector that
connects to the AC clutch, and then turning on your heater, if it stops doing
it, then it sounds to me like you may have an AC comprssor problem. If it
keeps doing the same thing then, chances are that you either have crossed
wires, or an ECM problem

GOOD LUCK

_BART-
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:23:00 PST
From: "Bret Luter"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4-speed F350 tranny interchange

Fellow Ford Truck Nuts:

I have a line on a 4-speed (manual) tranny out of an '80 F350 but I
don't know if it will work in my truck ('85 F350 6.9l diesel, currently
with 4-spd manual tranny).

The guy who is selling it only knows that it came out of an '80 F350
with a V-8 (390)motor (gas). He said he spoke to a friend of his at the
local Ford dealer who said it would work fine, but I'd like a 2nd (or
3rd or 4th) opinion from someone who's 'been there-done that'.
He said the only thing wrong with it is that the PTO gear is chipped (I
won't be using the PTO so this should not be a problem).


As I understand it, I should have a T-18, T-18D or T-19 tranny in my
truck now (??). How can I identify the tranny from this '80 to see if
it will work or not?? (and how can I identify exactly which tranny I
have - the door jamb sticker is GONE!!!).

p.s.- I will also post this to the Ford Diesel page.

Thanks to all in advance,
Bret in Raleigh, NC
'85 F350 Crew Cab 6.9l with noisy 4-spd tranny......
(sorry if this is a duplicate post- I did not get a Truck digest on
11-11)


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:46:44 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN

OK I need some help !!! I have been to several places and cant get a straight
answer on what type of air metering system my truck has. I have been told by
the local Ford dealers that I have both...they cant seem to agree from one to
the next. I am really getting frustrated as I am getting ready to put my truck
under the wrenches for a wrist pin or 2 knocking. Since I have to pull it all
apart anyway why not put the good stuff back on instead of the stock stuff.
But I don't want to do that if it is speed density and it will all be for not
anyway. No offense to the lightning guys but you have different motors and
computers so your programming is different.
Basically what I want to know is this...My metering tube is connected right to
the factory airbox and has a connector attached to the top of it. If you look
at from the inside it has a large divider in the middle of the metering device
and has a small tube at the top of the device that I assume takes care of the
metering task. Can you tell from this description which I have? I am attaching
a drawing to this but I don't know if it will come through for you to see. If
not please email me separately from the list and I can email it to you for
perusal. I would attach an actual pic but my scanner is on the blink.
Thanks for all you help,
Wayne Foy
FLR150 aol.com
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:13:20 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K&N

Put a K&N on my 4bbl. 351 today. Thought I might notice a little
difference.
It was alot more than I expected.
Better acceleration. I don't know if there will
be any gas milage improvement or not. Before I installed the K&N,
the motor sounded like it was trying to suck in more air
and couldn't (even with a fresh filter).
Now I might even go for a less restrictive exhaust.
I thought the 351's were supposed to be sluggish,
but I'm pleased with the performance.

Of course before I only had 6 cyl. motors and one truck with a 302 :

Thanks for the suggestions about installing the K&N.

Mike
redden enter.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:36:35 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN

you have speed density
- -----Original Message-----
From: FLR150 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 6:00 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN


>OK I need some help !!! I have been to several places and cant get a
straight
>answer on what type of air metering system my truck has. I have been told
by
>the local Ford dealers that I have both...they cant seem to agree from one
to
>the next. I am really getting frustrated as I am getting ready to put my
truck
>under the wrenches for a wrist pin or 2 knocking. Since I have to pull it
all
>apart anyway why not put the good stuff back on instead of the stock stuff.
>But I don't want to do that if it is speed density and it will all be for
not
>anyway. No offense to the lightning guys but you have different motors and
>computers so your programming is different.
>Basically what I want to know is this...My metering tube is connected right
to
>the factory airbox and has a connector attached to the top of it. If you
look
>at from the inside it has a large divider in the middle of the metering
device
>and has a small tube at the top of the device that I assume takes care of
the
>metering task. Can you tell from this description which I have? I am
attaching
>a drawing to this but I don't know if it will come through for you to see.
If
>not please email me separately from the list and I can email it to you for
>perusal. I would attach an actual pic but my scanner is on the blink.
>Thanks for all you help,
>Wayne Foy
>FLR150 aol.com
>'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:57:52 EST
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K&N

any one no how it works with a I 6 and how much can i tow
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:51:48 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil pressure

Hi all. My oil pressure seems to want to mess with my head. I've got a new
pump, sending unit and guage. It just started happening two days ago. When I
hit the gas my pressure goes down until I hold a steady speed then it goes
to normal and when I idle it goes way down. The harder I step on the gas the
lower it goes. I'm kind of stumped since it's all new. The only thing I can
figure is that the oil pump drive shaft is getting rounded and doesn't turn
the pump right, but when I had it apart the shaft was as square as can be. I
checked the wire going to the sending unit and it has continuity. Any help
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:05:43 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN

If your airbox has a single opening that is connected to a device with a
black plastic top with a wiring connector, then has a y-pipe after this box
that leads to twin hoses that go to the twin-bore throttle body, then you
have mass air. If your airbox has two openings that lead straight to twin
hoses that go to the throttle body, then you have speed density. FWIW, my
mom's 5.8L '96 F-150 has mass air, but then again it has CA emissions. I
believe only 1994-1996 F-150's with CA emissions (available in some NE
states too) will have mass air. Check the label on the hood to see. If it
says that it conforms to "USEPA and California regulations..." then you
have mass air.

Rob

At 7:36 PM -0600 11/11/98, Fast Ford wrote:
>you have speed density
>-----Original Message-----
>From: FLR150 aol.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 6:00 PM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speed density versus Massair :AGAIN
>
>
>>OK I need some help !!! I have been to several places and cant get a
>straight
>>answer on what type of air metering system my truck has. I have been told
>by
>>the local Ford dealers that I have both...they cant seem to agree from one
>to
>>the next. I am really getting frustrated as I am getting ready to put my
....

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