80-96-list-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 380



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Newbie questions
FTE 80-96 - body parts source
FTE 80-96 - Replacement engines
FTE 80-96 - Messages being truncated
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X
FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A
FTE 80-96 - Battery or Alternator - Charging Problems
FTE 80-96 - RE: Newbie w/ questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A
Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines
FTE 80-96 - 92 F-250HD 4x4 alignment
Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-250HD 4x4 alignment
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
FTE 80-96 - ignition
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition
Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition
RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition
RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition
Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition
RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition
FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...
FTE 80-96 - CD Player in a 1980 Ford
FTE 80-96 - Re:Free rims
FTE 80-96 - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?
Re: FTE 80-96 - TORNADO AIR INTAKE INSERTS
FTE 80-96 - Re: Cd Player in a 1980 Ford
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck..Fixed for now
FTE 80-96 - battery cable resistance
FTE 80-96 - re: low speed vibration
FTE 80-96 - FWD DRIVE AXLE U-JOINTS
FTE 80-96 - Re: A/T tires for Explorer
FTE 80-96 - Re: gas in diesel & new problem?
FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?
FTE 80-96 - re: Newbie w/ questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:47:32 -0500
From: "Giles, John E Jr (FL51)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Newbie questions

Hi Azie and welcome. I'm not a diesel expert, but I do own a 96 Powerstroke
and have a fair amount of experience with a friend's 89 7.3 diesel.

Things I would watch out for:
There is some evidence that these trucks can be subject to cavitation
erosion of the cylinder walls. In the 94-up PS diesels, they require use of
a Fleetguard DCA-4 type coolant additive like large semis do. This is
supposed to prevent the problem. This was not listed in the Ford manual on
earlier trucks, but was apparently in the International (Navistar) manual
for the same motor. My friend's 89 w./ 150,000 miles never saw a problem
and he did not use the additive. I would use it as insurance.

Automatic transmissions are a problem area. The early E4OD autos seemed to
have lots of problems, especially when used for towing. My friends 89 had
it replaced/rebuilt about 4 times. Torque converter problems mostly. The
later 96-97 trucks had some modifications which seem to increase life. Make
sure you have an aux tranny cooler installed.

Glow plugs in these trucks also seem to go on a fairly regular basis. They
are not too expensive and fairly easy to replace (kind of like spark plugs).

Engines are fairly expensive, I would expect to pay $4-8K for one, depending
on condition.

They can be turboed fairly easily. We but a Bank's kit (not the Sidewinder)
on the 89 and it made a huge difference. Didn't have any motor problems.
On the other hand, another friend with a 93 had to replace the engine after
lots of heavy (20K loads) and a Banks Sidewinder turbo kit.

The Power Stroke is a Direct injection (DI) engine as opposed to the
indirect injection (IDI) engine in the 93 and earlier trucks. It turboed
from the factory (there were factory IDI turbos in (92-93) and has higher
power than the older motors. My PS stock is a lot stronger than the turboed
89. The motor is electronically controlled and has hydraulically operated
injectors so it is more electronic (so to speak) than the earlier motors.
It's like comparing a motor in a 67 Stang to one in a 98 Stang. With these
electronics comes slightly better fuel economy and engine control. I really
like my 96 and have not had any problems (other than a water pump) in 90K
miles.

A real good Internet site for more info is the Ford diesel web page at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/index.htm

Hope I answered some of your questions,

John Giles
Odessa, FL


Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:05:07 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
interest lie.

I've come across what I believe to be a good project, and I need some
advise from those of you who may be more knowledgeable of the Diesels. I'm
looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD.



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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:11:22 -0500
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

Thanks to those who replied in respect to getting parts
for my '86 F150. I had hoped that the newer 87-91 Ford
parts would fit.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:21:44 -0500
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Replacement engines

The engine in my '86 F150 pickup is tired and in need
of a replacement. It is an EFI engine and I've found
an engine from a '82 model F150 that is a carb'd 302.

My concerns are as follows:

1. Is it legal to just swap out the '86 engine which is
EFI and install the '82 engine which is carbureted?

Or...

2. Can I take the EFI hardware and computer and put that
on the older '82 engine? I.E. remove the carb and put
my intake and plenum on along with other associated
hardware.

Or...

3. Would it be better to just bite the bullet and get a
longblock or remanufactured engine to replace? I would
like to make this truck strong again.

Thanks,
John

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:19:00 -0600
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Messages being truncated

Anybody else having problems with not getting the whole daily list lately?
It seems in the last week I've only gotten ONE that wasn't truncated. Is
this becasue of a long string of e-mail attached to a response?

I don't want to miss anything good, now! This is only one of the few
e-mails
I get daily that I actually look forward to reading....

Later,
Craig
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:48:05 -0800
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

No no no. If you want rain just wash your truck. This guarenties rain within 24 hours.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x 3.0/5-speed

- -----Original Message-----
From: shy anne [SMTP:jme_shy yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:46 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

no no...if yall want rain...make big plans to do something
outside..like camping or horseback riding or something like
that...then you'll get rain..i know from lots of experience




- ---Andre Roy wrote:
>
> Michael Redden wrote:
> >
> > Fred:
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder! I forget to use rain-x, but when I have
used it I
> > can't
> > believe how well it works.
> >
> Just got some.... still have to apply it. Anyone know how it works for
> snow?
>
> > Even in heavy rain it works great.
> > Seeing as how we really need rain here, maybe it'll rain
> > if I apply some.
> >
> > Or does that work the other way around...
> >
> No, you have to wash the truck and water the lawn. Then it will
rain. I
> wish it would rain here... forcast calls for snow. At least I have
some
> weight in the back of the bed now! ('81 F-150, 4x2)
>
>
> --
> Andre, (first winter in a pick-up, coming from a FWD car) Somewhere
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 06:06:35 PST
From: "Adam Hafner"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A

Well, hello again I am back with another question.

I am thinking about adding a tach to my 1980 F150 4x4 with a V8 302 and
I have no idea how. A couple of my main questions are:

What parts would I have to buy to hook up the tach?
Where are the cords for it supposed to hook up to?
Does it have cords to hook up?

Also I was wondering if anyone who know how to hook one up could email
me at hafnera hotmail.com with detailed instruction.

Thanx again,

Adam

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:21:09 -0600
From: "Vic Erwin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Battery or Alternator - Charging Problems

The battery in my truck keeps going dead.

I'm on the third alternator in a month now, the previous two tested bad
(actually the voltage regulator - but it's on the alternator and the whole
thing's under warranty). This evening I'm putting a meter on the cables to
see if the battery's getting current when the engine's running - shouldn't
this tell me if the regulator's good? If the battery's bad now from being
drained so many times, that's ok, I can just buy another one. But if the
regulator's bad again, how do I find what's causing it to go bad?

-Vic Erwin
90 F-150
79 Mustang CP Coupe (in progress)

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:33:18 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Newbie w/ questions

Azie,
The 7.3 Ford IDI diesels have a reputation for suffering from cavitation.
From what I gather it really isn't all that common and is a result of Ford
not including information on using anti-cavitation additive in the cooling
system. It is something to watch for, though. If well maintained it should
be in its prime at 125k miles. It may need a pump in the 150 to 200k miles
region but as a farmer with diesel experience you can probably do this
yourself. Ford offered a turbo on the IDI 7.3s in 93 and 94 and you can get
the same turbo from the company that made them for Ford, I can't remember
the name right now. The automatic transmission may prove to be your biggest
problem area.

You should be able to get all your questions answered and then some at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/ ,
the Ford Diesel Page. There is a recent tip and thread on older Ford diesels
and why they should be kept.

Larry

>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:05:07 -0500
>From: am14 chrysler.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

>My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
>61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
>interest lie.

>I've come across what I believe to be a good project, and I need some
>advise from those of you who may be more knowledgeable of the Diesels. I'm
>looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD. It
>is a '90 model (ex Ambulance) with 125000 miles on it. What are the things
>to look/listen for in the diesel?? Is there any thing (s) in particular
>that I should look/listen for??? What type economy can I expect?? Is
>125000 miles on a Ford (IH) diesel worthy of any particular problem
>showing up soon. I've farmed all my life and am very familiar with diesels
>in farm equipment, but all my trucks have always been gasoline. I'm
>looking to customize this jewel into a sleeper type cab arrangement and put
>a flatbed dump on it. Am I looking for trouble??? What could I expect to
>pay for an engine if I went to a junk yard and asked for a replacement for
>this jewel?? Can it be turbo'ed fairly easily?? What is the advantage of
>the later model "powerstroke" diesels over the '90??

>Lots of questions, I know. Hope you guys can help an old man out here.

>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:35:34 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A

Actually, could this be posted to the list? I'm considering this for my '95
F150 4x4 302.

Thanks...

- -Mike

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From: Adam Hafner
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 9:13 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A


Well, hello again I am back with another question.

I am thinking about adding a tach to my 1980 F150 4x4 with a V8 302 and
I have no idea how. A couple of my main questions are:

What parts would I have to buy to hook up the tach?
Where are the cords for it supposed to hook up to?
Does it have cords to hook up?

Also I was wondering if anyone who know how to hook one up could email
me at hafnera hotmail.com with detailed instruction.

Thanx again,

Adam

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:55:12 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines

FWIW, Saleen doesn't yank any "crappy OHC motor", they yank a crappy
pushrod V6. All of their 351 cars start out as lowly V6 cars. I've seen
their shop in Irvine, CA and they have row after row of V6 powertrains
along the back wall.

Well that just goes to show that they don't think the new OHCs are worth
the time or effort to modify.

And while the HP numbers for the '99 Cobra 4.6 4V haven't been released
yet, I've heard that it will have at least 320 hp but it will probably
be higher than that when the final calibration is released. So I'd
expect 340-350hp. The same thing happened with the GT's 2V 4.6, all the
magazines were quoting the early calibration 250hp, while the final
calibration netted 260hp. None of these are "crappy"...each powertrain

Those are great peak numbers...whats the rev range look like! It may
make 20 more horsepower than my stock Lightning but the same car with my
engine in it would be faster! I.E. Cobra R...I bet even the new Cobras
touch it! Even though they might make 80 to 100 more horsepower...now
that is LAME!!!

I've quoted has at least 20hp more than the 5.8L Lightning engine, and
the 4.6 2V on the '99 GT puts out more power than the '93 or '94-'95
5.0L Cobra. And the stock Windsor doesn't take boost any better or worse
than the mod, so if someone slapped the same blower on a mod as you did
on a 5.8 lightning, you wouldn't smoke em (unless, that is, you weight
was sighnificantly less). You'd both get 40% boost in power, and since
the '99 5.4 2V outpowers the '93-'95 Lightning, the mod would still be
delivering more power. And there is nothing inherent in a pushrod that
delivers more torque. Case in point, the F-series mod 5.4 vs. the GM
5.3. The 5.4 puts out 30 lb-ft more torque, and the peak is much lower
in the rev band. This is very evident if you look at an overlay of the
5.4 and 5.3 power curves on a graph. The Vortec is not a very good truck
engine, and it's peaky nature forced them to add a "tow/haul" mode on
the auto trans to try to get that engine to move a load.
Sorry GM, the "99 percenters" will be going elsewhere for their trucks.

I have no doubt the 5.4 beats the C**vy, thats not the subject at hand!
Next the 93-95 Lightnings use GT40 intakes and heads...great for 5.0 a
little restrictive for the 5.8L...while these new motors breath much
better. Well lets see the new Lightning will be in the 14 second
range...have to wait for exact numbers but I bet about 14.4 or so! Thats
about a second quicker than the previous Lightning....but for ten grand
more...add that same supercharger to the previous Lightning for roughly
three grand and then you should be looking at 13s!

Sure pushrods develope more torque...but not because of the design...one
reason is the new OHCs are smaller displacement(but thats not my fault)
and second is the new ohcs are programmed to developed power later in
the rpms. What happens if they change the programming to develope power
at lower rpms...I am not sure but I bet it loses alot of its top end
power!

And on the 5.4 4V Navigator, I wouldn't expect that engine to appear on
the Expy or F-series. It'll probably stay a Lincoln exclusive to get
people to spend the extra $$$ on the Nav instead of the practically
identical Expy.
But what I don't get is why they are bothering to supercharge the 2V
version of the 5.4 for the new Lightning when they could have used the
4V Navigator heads. Either way the new Lightning will be the most
powerful, best handling truck ever to leave a factory, from any
manufacturer.

I would love to see the 4V myself! Have you see the Superstallion yet?
Chris
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:00:02 -0500
From: CONWAY pjm.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-250HD 4x4 alignment

My 92' 250 had the front end sag (and corresponding positive camber) that so
many seem to be afflicted with. I installed a Tuff-Country leveling kit, which
brought the truck up to almost "level". So far so good, except that my
extreme positive camber switched to somewhat negative camber. This didn't
bother me until I got a new set of tires, because I was planning to get the
alignment done when I bought the tires.

The tire shop alignment tech was not skilled. He was unable to get the toe-in
correct, and was unwilling to even think about adjusting camber. He admitted
he knew nothing about TTB front ends and wasn't prepared to do the alignment,
instead recommending a local shop that deals with trucks exclusively. So I
avoided a $70.00 bill for a toe adjustment, but I still have the negative
camber.

What's the big deal with aligning a F250 TTB front end? Is camber adjustable
from the factory, or do I need to get some special offset bushings or what?
I'm still mystified why an alignment tech would think that an F250 is so much
more difficult than any other vehicle.


Chuck Conway
conway pjm.com
'92 F250HD 4x4, XLT, Extended Cab
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:49:21 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 92 F-250HD 4x4 alignment

CONWAY pjm.com wrote:

> What's the big deal with aligning a F250 TTB front end? Is camber adjustable
> from the factory, or do I need to get some special offset bushings or what?
> I'm still mystified why an alignment tech would think that an F250 is so much
> more difficult than any other vehicle.

Chuck,
The Ford factory camber adjusters from Ford SUCK. They only
have a 180 deg turn notch. If you had a competent tech man then he
would of told you this and given you the option of putting in one
that has a lot of adjustment notches. This is the way my '83 Bronco
is. When I put new ball joints in(a couple months ago), I went to
Ford to get new camber adjusters, sure they had them from 0.6 to 2.0
degrees in increments of 0.2 degrees at $25.00 a piece, BUT THEY
ONLY HAVE NOTCHES TO TURN THEM at 180 degrees. Nothing
in between:-( Therefore I suggest going to a COMPETENT SHOP and
getting they're camber adjusters with more notches in them and putting
them in yourself or have them do it. Now back to the rest of the story :-)

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:01:56 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

BigRed wrote:
>
> and none at all would mean that the wire is open (not connected > somewhere inside the insulation(broken) and you would have no
> power going to the starter.

Not correct. An open circuit has infinite resistance as opposed to zero
resistance. With wires the size of battery cables, it does not require
much resistance to indicate problems.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:19:07 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ignition

My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
to turn the truck off).
any ideas?
*SHY*



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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:25:38 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition

you are experiencing the Ford plague .....the ignition switch is worn out and
needs replacing. $25 job.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:33:36 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

>From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
>
> Look more towards the '81-'86 group of F-150's and
>even '81-'86 Full size Broncos.

Yo Rick:

The body style you are referring to runs 1980 to 1986. The only difference
in sheet metal between my 1980 F250 and a 1986 truck is the badges on the
fenders and the F-O-R-D letters across the hood.

The 1980-1981 trucks (and Broncos) used a different style of fender badges
and had the letters across the front of the hood. The 1982-1986 trucks use
the big F style fender badges, have the blue oval in the middle of the
grille, and have no letters on the hood.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
Liberal Arts Graduate


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:35:39 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition

And also, my windshield washer doesn't work. I don't know if it is
the pump or what. What all is there to the windshield washer? And
would this be easy to fix?
*SHY*




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> My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
> on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
> to turn the truck off).
> any ideas?
> *SHY*
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:36:44 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition

LOL...sounds like a common thing.
Thanks!
*SHY*



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> you are experiencing the Ford plague .....the ignition switch is
worn out and
> needs replacing. $25 job.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:46:23 -0600
From: "Winters, Sean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition

Replace the ignition switch. You don't have to replace the lock set, but the
actual ignition switch mounted on top of the steering column. You *might* be
able to adjust it to work, but we're talking about a
known to fail.

Sean

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From: shy anne [mailto:jme_shy yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 1:19 PM
To: ford maillist
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ignition


My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
to turn the truck off).
any ideas?
*SHY*



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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:49:23 -0800
From: cassis
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition

You could try something real simple. Get a pin and poke it through the
holes the water comes out from. Sometimes these things get clogged up and
just need to be cleaned out so to speak. I don't know if your washer pump
is working, but if it is and no water comes out this usually fixes the
problem.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x 3.0/5-speed

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From: shy anne [SMTP:jme_shy yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 11:36 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition

And also, my windshield washer doesn't work. I don't know if it is
the pump or what. What all is there to the windshield washer? And
would this be easy to fix?
*SHY*




- ---shy anne wrote:
>
> My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
> on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
> to turn the truck off).
> any ideas?
> *SHY*
>
>
>
> ==
> -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses."
>
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:16:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Whities
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ignition

On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, shy anne wrote:

> My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
> on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
> to turn the truck off).
> any ideas?
> *SHY*
>
>
>
> ==
> -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses."
>
>
>
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This problem is the same thing that I'm having trouble with. I'm thinking
that we could prolly get a new ingnition switch. I've noticed that when I
get out of my trck, the alert sound will continue to sound. If I turn the
key switch back just a hair. I also, incountered the same things that you
are. I'm getting mine fixed this Thrusday so I post a letter saying what I
had to do or the dealer may have to do.

Michael

Michael D. Whities
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:27:54 -0500
From: CONWAY pjm.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ignition

> On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, shy anne wrote:
>
> > My truck has a problem. Sometimes when I turn the a/c or my blinker
> > on, they won't come on. I have to turn the key back some..(not enough
> > to turn the truck off).
> > any ideas?
> > *SHY*
> >
> >
> >
> > ==
> > -"God forbid I shall go to any heaven where there are no horses."
> >
[snip]
> >
>
> This problem is the same thing that I'm having trouble with. I'm thinking
> that we could prolly get a new ingnition switch. I've noticed that when I
> get out of my trck, the alert sound will continue to sound. If I turn the
> key switch back just a hair. I also, incountered the same things that you
> are. I'm getting mine fixed this Thrusday so I post a letter saying what I
> had to do or the dealer may have to do.
>
> Michael
>
> Michael D. Whities
> bigmike netdoor.com
> bigmike pager.netdoor.com
> mwhities netdoor.com
> mwhities pager.netdoor.com
>
>
My F250 does this also (the endless chime). I've also found that the chrome
outer ring gets misaligned in relation to the lock mechanism, so I have to futz
with the ignition key assembly to get the ignition key in.

I got a panicky phone call from my wife one night when she drove my truck. She
couldn't get the ignition key in. My wife went to the "Bigger Hammer School of
Problem Solving(tm)", so visions of broken keys and steering columns swam around
in my head. Luckily, she had the prescence of mind to grab my cell phone and
call me.

Please don't forget to update us on what it takes to fix this one! :-)

Chuck Conway
conway pjm.com
'92 F250 blah blah blah
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:55:24 -0800
From: Chuck Bartlett
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesels and stop/go traffic...

Hi there!

I am currently researching the purchase of a late model F250/350. I was
originally going to go with the Diesel powerplant, however I was told that
the engine is not going to like stop and go traffic too much. Rush hour
traffic is easily over half of the driving we do, so this is a concern.

Should I opt for the gas engine given the type of driving we will be doing?

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:45:05 PST
From: "Adam Hafner"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - CD Player in a 1980 Ford

Hi,

I am thinking about adding a CD player to my 1980 Ford F150 but, I am
not sure if it is possible. I still have the standard face plate that
has the knob recievers for the OEM AM radio. Is there a CD player out
there that I can use that won't cost me an arm and a leg. If so post it
for me with the supplier and the price.

Thanx,

Adam

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:06:37 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Free rims

I would like to know if those free rims are gone yet.
Email me at FLR150 aol.com if not
Thanks
Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab

Subject: FTE 80-96 - Free Rims

Guys,
My Dad gave me one of his 15x10 rims this weekend so I can
put a spare 33" tire from one I saved after getting my new BFG's.
So I have had my spare 31" on a 15x7, now I can take that off and
put it with my other 3. So I now have a complete set of 4 -15x7. If
anyone wants them then all you need to do is pay shipping.

- - --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mustang 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:53:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?

Car Lounge is taking nominations for the #1 automotive site for
Winter 98. Due to the support from list members in the Spring,
Ford Truck Enthusiasts won 1st place for the Summer 98 award
and 10th place for Autumn 98 award. If you would like to
nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts, please visit:

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:25:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TORNADO AIR INTAKE INSERTS

At 02:54 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all,
> I was wondering if any of you had any experience with those TORNADO AIR
>INTAKE INSERTS??? They(www.tornadoair.com) claim that you can get an increase
>in gas mileage of 7-24 percent!!! What do you all think truth or tale????
>Thanks in advance
>
>

Inserting anything into the intake tract increases friction
and **decreases** efficiency. An IC engine is an air pump,
the less restriction in the air path, the more efficient it
it. This item has been discussed before and its a pretty
bogus unit.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:50:32 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cd Player in a 1980 Ford

Adam,
No, it won't fit, yet... The CD's are bigger than the slot opening
you have, so you will never find a dual-shaft style CD receiver. You
could find a dual-shaft am/fm cassette and install an add-on CD
changer -OR- you could cut the dash to install a DIN style receiver.
I looked thru the Crutchfield catalog and found no dual-shaft
receivers. If you went to the local Radio Shack, auto parts store or
Super K you may be able to find one, but remember the add-on CD will
only be as good as your head unit so don't go cheap here like a $49
Audiovox or something.
I would recommend cutting the dash and installing a new head unit. My
'87 had the opening to install a Sony CDX-C660 am/fm cd w/changer
controls (no changer installed) and it barely fit (depth on truck
shallow), but I know the 80-86's are deeper. I have cut dashes to fit
the DIN style head unit ('79 T/A) and the careful work paid off well.
Try Crutchfield at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com and see what they
have for you.

Later,
Brew

Adam Hafner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about adding a CD player to my 1980 Ford F150 but, I am
> not sure if it is possible. I still have the standard face plate that
> has the knob recievers for the OEM AM radio. Is there a CD player out
> there that I can use that won't cost me an arm and a leg. If so post it
> for me with the supplier and the price.
>
> Thanx,
>
> Adam
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:01:03 -0900
From: "Malwen Theriot"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?

Did you rebuild the accelerator pump when you rebuilt the carb???

This may be your problem

Mat Theriot
1988 F350/7.3 Diesel
Crew Cab

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 01:20:02 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?

Mal,
Is that the power valve? Bottom front (Ford/Holley) about 1 x 1.5"
and has a lever actuated buy the throttle linkage? Has a check ball
inside? If it is, then yes I did rebuild it. In fact, it was leaking
and that's why I got into the carb in the first place. I figured
while it's out I'd rebuild it. If this isn't what you're talking
about, e-mail be directly and describe it for me, thanks.

Later,
Brew

Malwen Theriot wrote:
>
> Did you rebuild the accelerator pump when you rebuilt the carb???
>
> This may be your problem
>
> Mat Theriot
> 1988 F350/7.3 Diesel
> Crew Cab
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:02:16 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A

I put one in my 87. Not a Ford one but an aftermarket one-Autogage to be
exact. Nice tach at a fair price without having to buy all new gauges in the
cluster to fit the factory tach. I mounted it on the steering collum(?).
Came with everything except needed one longer wire to get into the engine
compartment. And to hold into place a couple of black zip ties that you
can't even tell are there that match the black collum(?). Easy to hook up,
they give instructions. One 12V wire, one ground wire, one wire for the
light that I hooked into the headlight fuse so I could have the dimming
feature too, and one final wire going to the coil. Can't remember which wire
on the coil right now and it's too cold out to run out and look, sorry. The
80 truck will be in the instructions, but the 95 will be like mine and
you'll have to figure out which wire is which on the harness to the coil. I
looked in a shop manual. I could look it up again though if no one else on
the list knows off hand.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael J. Pasznik, Jr.
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A


>Actually, could this be posted to the list? I'm considering this for my
'95
>F150 4x4 302.
>
>Thanks...
>
>-Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Hafner
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 9:13 AM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach's Q&A
>
>
>Well, hello again I am back with another question.
>
>I am thinking about adding a tach to my 1980 F150 4x4 with a V8 302 and
>I have no idea how. A couple of my main questions are:
>
>What parts would I have to buy to hook up the tach?
>Where are the cords for it supposed to hook up to?
>Does it have cords to hook up?
>
>Also I was wondering if anyone who know how to hook one up could email
>me at hafnera hotmail.com with detailed instruction.
>
>Thanx again,
>
>Adam
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:13:54 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

Sorry I messed up, but the fact that you wouldn't have any power going to
the starter is still true. I keep getting that zero and infinite mixed up
somehow. Big difference between the two. Sorry if that messed anyone else up
too.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Laughlin
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update


>BigRed wrote:
>>
>> and none at all would mean that the wire is open (not connected >
somewhere inside the insulation(broken) and you would have no
>> power going to the starter.
>
>Not correct. An open circuit has infinite resistance as opposed to zero
>resistance. With wires the size of battery cables, it does not require
>much resistance to indicate problems.
>Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:30:19 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck..Fixed for now

New solenoid, new cables (pos to solenoid, neg to ground and starter
cable) and a new voltage regulator. Now the truck will start and runs
good. I am not sure whether the cables or the regulator were the
problem, but I am guessing hte regulator was it.

Thanks to everyone for all the help.
Hope it will be a while it breaks again.
Casey





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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:47:47 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - battery cable resistance

If memory serves me, anything over half an ohm is too much resistance. I
guess one way to find out is test a chunk of new cable. Am I close?

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:00:40 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: low speed vibration

Joe you said you have a vibration at low speed and is gone by 30mph? I had a
problem that sounds like the same thing. My rear driveline slip-joint was
worn and had to get driveline re-built. On level ground I reached up, grabed
driveline and shook it violently and noticed play at slip-joint (splined
union of driveline). after the re-build ($150 at driveline shop) no more
vibration. G/L BART

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:14:33 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FWD DRIVE AXLE U-JOINTS

Steve, on my '81 f150 there was no clip on stub inside pumkin. however, on a
late '80s f250 i help a friend with his did. I also had a plate over seal on
pumkin (pass side) and the f250 didn't. The seal on the f250 was on the
inside also. I liked the plate idea better. On both trucks the spindle came
of the knuckle with a good wrap from a dead-blow hammer. By the way I paid
$150 for the long shaft, slip-joint and two u-joints (re-used stubs on both
ends) did I get a good deal in your opinion? THANX BART

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:24:20 +0200
From: Marko Err
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: A/T tires for Explorer

My name is Marko Err, I'm from other coast-Europe, Scandinavia.

The problem is that I'm looking for good and massive A/T tires for '96 Ford
Explorer. The wheels are 15x7 inches. Does anyone has any ideas how big
tires are suitable for whose wheels (I had thought about 32x10.5 ). Also is
here any suggestions about brand ( BF Goodrich, Bridgestone).


Best regards

Marko Err


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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:13:45 -0400
From: Sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: gas in diesel & new problem?

>- ---Lamar Zabielski wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thanks to all that replied. I ended up pumping out
>> 10 gallons of 50/50 gas and diesel. Then put in 5
>gallons
>> diesel and was gonna pump it out too, but after
>> reading more posts, I tried the 5 gallons for a
>> highway mile or two at a time and noticed no
>> problem. So I filled the tank, added some LDL
>> (Longer Diesel Life) additive. Its been fine for
>> 180 miles.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Zeb
>>
>> PS: I think my right front u-joint needs R&R, there
>> is a click when doing hard left turns and at random
>> other times. I've R&R drive shaft u-joints, are
>> front ones almost as easy to do? The shop wants
>> $150.
>>
>> 88 F-250 Lariat SCab 4WD 7.3

>Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:46:20 -0800 (PST)
>From: David Whipkey
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Update: Re: gas in diesel & new problem?
>
>Interestingly enough I ran into a guy yesterday who's a diesel
>mechanic. He told me that if you were to add 10 quarts of 30wt oil to
>5 gallons of gasoline, you can use it in place of diesel fuel. I'd
>love to know if it is true, but I don't think I would try it on my rig.
>
>D.W.
>
>
>
>



A little gas in a diesel is no big deal. My VW manual said to
add 20% gas for better winter starting and my International
manual said up to 33% gas in diesel is acceptable, the only
problem is the lose of lubricity for the pump and injectors.
So the poster who mentioned using 2 quarts of oil for every
gallon of gasoline was right on track. In fact I have used
this trick to get home when I was unable to buy diesel.

The LDL is just an algae inhibitor isn't it?
Best to just add an oil since any cleaner will just further
reduce the lubrication film strength.

Rattlin' on,



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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:21:02 -0400
From: Sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:04:30 -0700
>From: kroger ucla.edu
>Subject: Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

>Yes BUT, I'm moving from California to New Jersey, both strict emissions
>states. Would these be legal? In the "Ford Pickup Bible" (or something like
>that, great book) he notes some cams that are approved, which increase
>torque at lower RPM range. How about the heads? Also, isn't switching
>from EFI to a carb going to fail me at inspection time?
>
>What a bummer to worry about all these legalities. Guess I pick the
>wrong states to live in.
>
>Jim

=====================================================================

Jim, Jim, Jim...
I don't see a problem. You love your truck, just want a little bit more
than the 302 is giving you. You are hampered by yous states rules that
the engine has to conform to at least your model years emission specs.
I believe you mentioned to the effect that you are not too skimpy on
your budget but don't want to blow the entire bankroll.

Sounds simple.
Buy a modest mileage F150 351 the same year or newer as your truck.
Pay the extra money and get the computer and engine compartment wiring,
and all the brackets for the accessories. Get the accessories too if
you are not sure they match what you have. Will cost $600 -$1200 ???
Minimal downtime, you can do it in a modest garage with simple tools
and a gearhead buddy to lead the way. Should be minimal tuning problems
on startup and would only be a weekend 4 pizza and bucket of chicken
job if you lived nearby. :-)

Now you can just bolt it all in and while it will not be the
ultimate haul butt truck, you will like it, OR.....

>>>>>> 00000

Take this motor apart and get a 400 or 425 crank kit for it.
Install an earlier set of heads with a bit more quench area, or go
for one of the aftermarket performance castings. Get your ports
professionally or "power putty" ported and install the $600 SVO
sequential multi port injection harnes and computer (in this case
you will not need the junkyard wiring or computer). A set of
EPA certified headers (they exist?) and high flow cats.
A modest or even stock (HO?) cam (you want gutsy torque).

Since all emission gear is intact and operational you will
pass the sniffer and the visual. Nobody can tell from the
outside that your pistons go up and down a half inch further.
The polished ports won't affect emissions. I am really guessing
here but you should be getting at least 350 hp and great gobs of
torque for a cost of under $3500. (just guessing, opinions?)

You will be building this motor this for a while but you will
still be driving the 302 in the meantime. The swap still only take
the weekend and the pizzas and chicken but there will no doubt be
some tuning problems to work out. Tell the EPA that it is a 351W
and everyone else "just my li'l 302..."




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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:44:41 -0400
From: Sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Newbie w/ questions

>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:05:07 -0500
>From: am14 chrysler.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
>
>My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
>61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
>interest lie.
>
>I've come across what I believe to be a good project, and I need some
>advise from those of you who may be more knowledgeable of the Diesels. I'm
>looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD. It
>is a '90 model (ex Ambulance) with 125000 miles on it. What are the things
>to look/listen for in the diesel?? Is there any thing (s) in particular
>that I should look/listen for??? What type economy can I expect?? Is
>125000 miles on a Ford (IH) diesel worthy of any particular problem
>showing up soon. I've farmed all my life and am very familiar with diesels
>in farm equipment, but all my trucks have always been gasoline. I'm
>looking to customize this jewel into a sleeper type cab arrangement and put
>a flatbed dump on it. Am I looking for trouble??? What could I expect to
>pay for an engine if I went to a junk yard and asked for a replacement for
>this jewel?? Can it be turbo'ed fairly easily?? What is the advantage of
>the later model "powerstroke" diesels over the '90??
>
>Lots of questions, I know. Hope you guys can help an old man out here.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.


The advantage of the 1995+ Powerstrokes is that they are electronically
direct injected for supposedly more efficiency and turbocharged for more
power. If you like things plain and simple like myself (and I mean that
in every sense!) then the 1994 and earlier diesels are for you.

My E350 extended with 3.50 gears got 25 mpg(imp) when it was 2wd.
Presently as a 4wd with 300,000 kms on the original pump and motor
it gets a max of 20mpg(imp) and a usual range of 15mpg(imp) to 18mpg(imp).
I measure in our Canadian imperial gallons which are about 10% bigger
than your US gallons, just 'cause that's the way I am used to seeing it.
And it looks 10% better than it is in the US!

Like most diesels, expect 50% better fuel mileage than gas.

Bad diesels knock just like bad gas engines do, you just have to
listen closely. Go on a cold morning to see how it starts.
Blue, white, or black smoke after it is warmed up is a bad sign.
A junkyard diesel is worth $3000cdn or about $2000us up here.
The pump is worth $500 new or used, go figure? A waterpump $80us.
A starter $265cdn or about $190us(?). A glow plug is worth $10 and
a rebuilt injector is worth $30cdn. "O" rings in the injectors get
loose with age and need replacing. Cost $5 and 2 hrs. The symptom
is a stall and hard start after initial start up.

Cavitation erosion is a big bug-a-boo but it does happen
occaisionally. Shock waves eat pinholes in the block if a coolant
additive is not used. Check for coolant in the oil and pressure in
the coolant and use the additive.

Some problems with the early OD E4OD trannies. If it works fine
now, change the fluid, add a cooler and don't over use OD while loaded.

I'll hear you coming



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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:47:58 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines

At 11:55 AM +0000 11/04/98, Garr&Pam wrote:
>>FWIW, Saleen doesn't yank any "crappy OHC motor", they yank a crappy
>>pushrod V6. All of their 351 cars start out as lowly V6 cars. I've seen
>>their shop in Irvine, CA and they have row after row of V6 powertrains
>>along the back wall.
>
>Well that just goes to show that they don't think the new OHCs are worth
>the time or effort to modify.

Sorry, but you are wrong. They do make 4.6L cars. It is their "S281" line
and it comes in both NA and supercharged versions. They made it as a
low(er)-buck alternative to the S351. They start with a V6 car since it is
much cheaper to buy a V6 car and since the drivetrain, suspension, and many
of the interior parts are changed on the S351, there is no need to saddle
the buyer with the extra $4-$5K that the GT costs when all that stuff is
just going to end up at the back of the shop in the end.

>Those are great peak numbers...whats the rev range look like! It may
>make 20 more horsepower than my stock Lightning but the same car with my
>engine in it would be faster! I.E. Cobra R...I bet even the new Cobras
>touch it! Even though they might make 80 to 100 more horsepower...now
>that is LAME!!!

The power curves on these engines actually look pretty good. Peak HP and
torque on the 2v fall pretty close in the powerband to where they were on
the Windsors, so your assumption that these cars have a Honda-esque power
curve just because the cams are located in the heads is just plain wrong.
Also, the Cobra R engine put out more power than the Lightning engine did,
and the '95 Cobra R is not all that much faster in the 1/4 than the 96+
cobras are with the 4.6 4V (1/4 in low 13's vs high 13's for the '96),
especially given that the C-R was a lightweight from the factory (no rear
seats, air, power anything) and has 1.4L more engine. FWIW, rumor has it
that there will be another run of Cobra R's for '99. This time it will have
IRS (like all the '99 Cobras) and a 32 valve, normally aspirated version of
the 5.4. I'd bet quite a bit that this car will walk all over the its '95
equivalent.

But getting back to power curves...the 4V Cobra engine has a drcent torque
curve. Plenty available at low revs, but the engine makes excellent power
to 7000 rpm. And in tdoing it, puts out a flatter power curve, and if you
look at plot of its powerband, and remember a little bit about the effect
of "area under the curve" it should be obvious that this engine will put
out better times than the Lightning engine in the same chassis. I'd hardly
call that lame.

>I have no doubt the 5.4 beats the C**vy, thats not the subject at hand!
>Next the 93-95 Lightnings use GT40 intakes and heads...great for 5.0 a
>little restrictive for the 5.8L.

I used the 5.3 Chevy to prove that even with the latest tech, pushrods do
not magically make torque than an OHC motor. And the Lightning's GT40 iron
heads and intake should make real good torque when used on the 5.8L engine,
and it does. But the fact is that the 5.4L OHC engine that you can get in a
F-150 XL work truck cranks out more of it. And on top of that, its torque
peaks lower (2300 rpm) and has a smoother, broader torque curve to boot
(remember area under the curve!).

>(While) these new motors breath much
>better. Well lets see the new Lightning will be in the 14 second
>range...have to wait for exact numbers but I bet about 14.4 or so! Thats
>about a second quicker than the previous Lightning....but for ten grand
>more...add that same supercharger to the previous Lightning for roughly
>three grand and then you should be looking at 13s!
>
>Sure pushrods develope more torque...but not because of the design...one
>reason is the new OHCs are smaller displacement(but thats not my fault)
>and second is the new ohcs are programmed to developed power later in
>the rpms. What happens if they change the programming to develope power
>at lower rpms...I am not sure but I bet it loses alot of its top end
>power!

Remember, an engine can be modelled most simply as a big air pump...the
"pump" that moves the most volume has the most power. Thus the magic of the
newer head design. The OHC engines get around their disadvantage in
displacement in regards to torque by using a longer piston stroke (3.5" for
the 5.8 vs. 4.16" for the 5.4), variable intake geometry, and better heads.
Therefore the "pump" more air, and do it more efficiently (making up for
their displacement deficit). Also, the new engines aren't "programmed" to
have peak power later in the rpm band. But they are designed to have a
wider, more useful power band. Again, if you overlay a graph of the 5.8L
standard and lightning truck engines with that of a '99 5.4 you will find
that it doesn't give up anything at the low end. In fact, the '99 5.4
produces more torque off idle than the 5.8, peaks earlier, has a flatter
curve, and doesn't fall off until much later in the powerband. Therefore,
there is more available power for acceleration, moving a load, etc
(remember the area under the curve again!!!). Also, using a computer to....


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