80-96-list-digest Wednesday, November 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 379



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - body parts source
RE: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???
FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X
Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
FTE 80-96 - OEM Tachometer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions
Re: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 Ranger Oil sending unit.
FTE 80-96 - Just to say Hi
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
FTE 80-96 - TORNADO AIR INTAKE INSERTS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X
FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon
RE: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
RE: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
Re: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X
FTE 80-96 - RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column in a lonely Ford
Re: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon
FTE 80-96 - low speed vibration
FTE 80-96 - brake booster
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 f 250 fnt drive axle u-joint
FTE 80-96 - Re: 92 F-250 Inoperative/broken shifter linkage fixed !!!!
FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?
FTE 80-96 - Reliable Glow Plug tester found
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X and wiper motors
Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines
Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:00:44 -0500
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

Anyone out there know of a source for doors, tailgate, hood, etc..
parts for Ford F150's? I'm interested in new replacements with
the same thickness of metal (or better) used in the factory originals.

Also, what range of years will the body parts fit? I have an '86
F150 XLT Lariat. If I was to go to the boneyard and find a '91
F150 with a good hood or something, would it fit my '86 F150?

I know JCWhitney offers aftermarket replacements, but I've been
told that the parts generally are made of cheaper/thinner metal.
Anyone know if this is true?

Thanks,
John

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:16:36 -0500
From: "Fred Shunk"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???

George, if you use "rain-x" on your windshield you will reduce your wiper
usage by about 90%. That should help. I use it all the time myself.

rain-X is made by UNELKO CORPORATION in Scottsdale, AZ.

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[mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of GTH
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:56 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???


My name is George Hester,Jackson,MS I currently own 2 F150's, 1 a '88
shortbed and the other a '89 LB. both have the 300/6 and ZF5speed.
Combined they have 340,000 miles (the '88 has had a trans replaced)

my question (since these are the only FMC products I've ever owned)

is the windshield wiper motor a BAD design or have I just been unlucky
(5 replacements in 4 years)..both trucks have the delay wipers. All seem
to lock/quit suddenly (and of course in a driving rain on high). I own
14 other old ('50-'70) vehicles and their original wipers still work.

and hints on the nylon gear in the power windows (4 new motor/gears in 4
years..motors fine/gears shot). I've been told that you can't just
replace the gears.

I'd love to ask about the 5-speed ease of adjustment/repair of clutch
but I've been told by sooo many mechanics that it isn't anything easy
about it. But I'd love some hints!

Any help would be gratefully appreciated!

thanks/G. Hester
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:05:07 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
interest lie.

I've come across what I believe to be a good project, and I need some
advise from those of you who may be more knowledgeable of the Diesels. I'm
looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD. It
is a '90 model (ex Ambulance) with 125000 miles on it. What are the things
to look/listen for in the diesel?? Is there any thing (s) in particular
that I should look/listen for??? What type economy can I expect?? Is
125000 miles on a Ford (IH) diesel worthy of any particular problem
showing up soon. I've farmed all my life and am very familiar with diesels
in farm equipment, but all my trucks have always been gasoline. I'm
looking to customize this jewel into a sleeper type cab arrangement and put
a flatbed dump on it. Am I looking for trouble??? What could I expect to
pay for an engine if I went to a junk yard and asked for a replacement for
this jewel?? Can it be turbo'ed fairly easily?? What is the advantage of
the later model "powerstroke" diesels over the '90??

Lots of questions, I know. Hope you guys can help an old man out here.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:59:16 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

Thats a good point, I overlooked that. THe alternator was serviced (new
brushes and stuff) a little while ago, so it should still be ok. BTW I
pulled my starter lead and my neg ground and checked for resistance in
them. On the 200 ohm scale I read about .9 and 1.1 in the cables.
Should I be getting 0? Or is the reading I am getting normal?

>>>>
If it only takes a few hours for the battery to drain down then there is
a good chance the voltage regulator is staying open, causing voltage
to be drained. I think I remember you saying you got a new alternator.
Is your voltage regulator integrated with the alternator or does it
mount
on the fender ? If it is a fender mount then they run around $13.00 as
I recall when I replaced mine.
>>>>>>
Casey

The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with
that?"



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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:28:03 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

am14 chrysler.com wrote:
> I'm looking at an E-350 LWB cab/chassis with the Diesel engine and Auto OD. It
> is a '90 model (ex Ambulance) with 125000 miles on it.

You might want to consider that an ambulance, with 125,000 miles on it,
will have had many, many hours of idling on the engine. That is not
necessarily bad. Just something to consider.
Paul in Portland OR
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:42:25 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

Fred:

Thanks for the reminder! I forget to use rain-x, but when I have used it I
can't
believe how well it works. The water just beads up and flies off before it
causes a visibility problem. Even in heavy rain it works great.
Seeing as how we really need rain here, maybe it'll rain
if I apply some.

Or does that work the other way around...

Mike

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:45:29 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

Azie:

I know nuttin about diesels but I just wanted to say "hi" and thank you for
all of your help on the '61-'79 list. I'm off that list for a little
while; just
until I get something else of that vintage to work on (soon, I hope).

Azie is one humble :
You'd better ask HIM some stuff while he's on the list!!

Mike

redden enter.net

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:55:18 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

Thanks Paul. I realize that idleing is not necessarily good, but aren't
most ambulances equipped with a fast idle switch (1000-1200rpm's or so). I
know that on all my farm equipment, the manual states that if the engine is
to be idled for long periods, you should throttle it up to around 1200 or
so rpm's and open it up to 2100 or so every hour for 3 to 5 minutes. (they
are redlined at around 2400-2500).

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:56:00 -0600
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - OEM Tachometer

Has anybody installed a original equipment tachometer in the instrument
panel of a 94 style F150? I realize the current gages would have to be
replaced but what else would i have to add (sensors) and approximately
how much would it cost?
Thanks
Darrin
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:18:36 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Newbie w/ questions

am14 chrysler.com wrote:

> My name is Azie Magnusson from the North Alabama area. I've been on the
> 61-79 list nearly since its inception, because that is where my normal
> interest lie.

Azie,
Welcome. I don't know about diesels, but I just wanted to
say, Hi and tell you I live a few miles south of you. I work
in Huntsville and live in Madison.


- --
Fellow Alabamian,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:27:50 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???

GTH wrote:

> My name is George Hester,Jackson,MS I currently own 2 F150's, 1 a '88
> shortbed and the other a '89 LB. both have the 300/6 and ZF5speed.
> Combined they have 340,000 miles (the '88 has had a trans replaced)
>
> my question (since these are the only FMC products I've ever owned)

George,
Thats a lot of wiper motors in that amount of time. I don't
know if you are unlucky, but I would definately check the
wiring to make sure you are not uneccessarily grounding
and shorting them out. Just an idea.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:30:47 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 Ranger Oil sending unit.

Russ Cominsky wrote:

> Hello all...
>
> Can anyone tell me where the oil sending unit is on the V-6, I believe its a 171 C.I. I have looked but I cant find it.

Russ, I would think it is somewhere around the oil filter on the block.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:35:41 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Just to say Hi

Rick Wojo writes: >>I work in Huntsville and live in Madison.

Hi Rick. Only have E-mail thru my place of employment. No home computer.

I live in Ardmore and work in Madison (Wall Triana) Chrysler.

The truck (van) I'm looking is located in Madison.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:54:18 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

Casey Vandor wrote:

> Thats a good point, I overlooked that. THe alternator was serviced (new
> brushes and stuff) a little while ago, so it should still be ok. BTW I
> pulled my starter lead and my neg ground and checked for resistance in
> them. On the 200 ohm scale I read about .9 and 1.1 in the cables.
> Should I be getting 0? Or is the reading I am getting normal?

I really don't know. I don't want to tell you anything that iswrong, Sorry.
:-(


- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 13:34:01 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

John Wickerham wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a source for doors, tailgate, hood, etc..
> parts for Ford F150's? I'm interested in new replacements with
> the same thickness of metal (or better) used in the factory originals.
>
> Also, what range of years will the body parts fit? I have an '86
> F150 XLT Lariat. If I was to go to the boneyard and find a '91
> F150 with a good hood or something, would it fit my '86 F150?

John,
Look more towards the '81-'86 group of F-150's and even
'81-'86 Full size Broncos.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:54:48 -0500
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TORNADO AIR INTAKE INSERTS

Hi all,
I was wondering if any of you had any experience with those TORNADO AIR
INTAKE INSERTS??? They(www.tornadoair.com) claim that you can get an increase
in gas mileage of 7-24 percent!!! What do you all think truth or tale????
Thanks in advance


NOM

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TITLE: SENIOR STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
E-MAIL ADDRESS: nmaranda gdeb.com
WORK #: (860) 433-1652
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:14:33 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

Michael Redden wrote:
>
> Fred:
>
> Thanks for the reminder! I forget to use rain-x, but when I have used it I
> can't
> believe how well it works.
>
Just got some.... still have to apply it. Anyone know how it works for
snow?

> Even in heavy rain it works great.
> Seeing as how we really need rain here, maybe it'll rain
> if I apply some.
>
> Or does that work the other way around...
>
No, you have to wash the truck and water the lawn. Then it will rain. I
wish it would rain here... forcast calls for snow. At least I have some
weight in the back of the bed now! ('81 F-150, 4x2)


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:40:11 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

While I've never used Rain-X, I do have a habit of putting Liquid Glass
on all the windows of the truck (as well as the paint, but that's not the
point of this). I've found that applying the stuff making scraping the
windows about one hundred times easier than it is without it.
How can I be sure? Well, I was slacking a little last winter and went
for a while without re-applying it. The windshield wipers managed to take
off most of the layer that I had on there, and getting the ice off the glass
was a whole lot more difficult there than it was where the wipers can't
reach.
True to form, a long explanation for a simple answer. I imagine the
Rain-X would have a similarly positive effect. The only downside is that I
notice that I go through windshield wipers quicker because the stuff can
coat the rubber of the blades.

- -Mike

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From: Andre Roy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X


Michael Redden wrote:
>
> Fred:
>
> Thanks for the reminder! I forget to use rain-x, but when I have used it
I
> can't
> believe how well it works.
>
Just got some.... still have to apply it. Anyone know how it works for
snow?

> Even in heavy rain it works great.
> Seeing as how we really need rain here, maybe it'll rain
> if I apply some.
>
> Or does that work the other way around...
>
No, you have to wash the truck and water the lawn. Then it will rain. I
wish it would rain here... forcast calls for snow. At least I have some
weight in the back of the bed now! ('81 F-150, 4x2)


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:13:36 EST
From: MikeM130 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon

I'm thinking about buying a 93 Club Wagon XLT supervan that is in great shape
inside and out. The only reservation I have is fuel economy.......it has the
460 V8 with automatic overdrive transmission.

I've been given different estimates of mpg by several dealers/service
managers; anywhere from 9 to 14mpg highway.

Does anyone on the list have some first-hand experience with this van/engine
combo? Thanks

Mike
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:34:48 -0500
From: "John Meade"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

John,

Rick's reply is correct. You have to stay in the 81-86 range. I had to
replace the tailgate on my 86 F150. Took almost a year to find a
replacement. Cost me a hundred bucks, but was a whole lot cheaper than a
FMC part. I'm still trying to locate the aluminum applique. FMC wants four
hundred for this piece of aluminum, but hey, they'll include the hardware.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Wickerham
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:01 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
>
>
> Anyone out there know of a source for doors, tailgate, hood, etc..
> parts for Ford F150's? I'm interested in new replacements with
> the same thickness of metal (or better) used in the factory originals.
>
> Also, what range of years will the body parts fit? I have an '86
> F150 XLT Lariat. If I was to go to the boneyard and find a '91
> F150 with a good hood or something, would it fit my '86 F150?
>
> I know JCWhitney offers aftermarket replacements, but I've been
> told that the parts generally are made of cheaper/thinner metal.
> Anyone know if this is true?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:08:32 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

Anybody got a long bed for a 92? With no trim, or have an idea where I could
find one...

Joe
Lost in Jersey
92 NITE
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:11:58 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - body parts source

Try JC Whitney catalogs. they've got LOTS of stuff. I'm working on
my truck too. So far I have a new a/c, new wheels, new tires, a
tool-box, and a few other minor things. It's fun. I got a new JC
Whitney catalog today. The one with the real pretty black mustang on
the front.
**SHY**





- ---John Meade wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Rick's reply is correct. You have to stay in the 81-86 range. I
had to
> replace the tailgate on my 86 F150. Took almost a year to find a
> replacement. Cost me a hundred bucks, but was a whole lot cheaper
than a
> FMC part. I'm still trying to locate the aluminum applique. FMC
wants four
> hundred for this piece of aluminum, but hey, they'll include the
hardware.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Wickerham
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:01 AM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - body parts source
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there know of a source for doors, tailgate, hood, etc..
> > parts for Ford F150's? I'm interested in new replacements with
> > the same thickness of metal (or better) used in the factory
originals.
> >
> > Also, what range of years will the body parts fit? I have an '86
> > F150 XLT Lariat. If I was to go to the boneyard and find a '91
> > F150 with a good hood or something, would it fit my '86 F150?
> >
> > I know JCWhitney offers aftermarket replacements, but I've been
> > told that the parts generally are made of cheaper/thinner metal.
> > Anyone know if this is true?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:29:00 -0800
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon

i had a 77 club wagon with a 4 bbl carb i was getting 6 miles to the
canadian gallon finally got a diesel
- -----Original Message-----
From: MikeM130 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:20 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon


>I'm thinking about buying a 93 Club Wagon XLT supervan that is in great
shape
>inside and out. The only reservation I have is fuel economy.......it has
the
>460 V8 with automatic overdrive transmission.
>
>I've been given different estimates of mpg by several dealers/service
>managers; anywhere from 9 to 14mpg highway.
>
>Does anyone on the list have some first-hand experience with this
van/engine
>combo? Thanks
>
>Mike
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:45:56 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X

no no...if yall want rain...make big plans to do something
outside..like camping or horseback riding or something like
that...then you'll get rain..i know from lots of experience




- ---Andre Roy wrote:
>
> Michael Redden wrote:
> >
> > Fred:
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder! I forget to use rain-x, but when I have
used it I
> > can't
> > believe how well it works.
> >
> Just got some.... still have to apply it. Anyone know how it works for
> snow?
>
> > Even in heavy rain it works great.
> > Seeing as how we really need rain here, maybe it'll rain
> > if I apply some.
> >
> > Or does that work the other way around...
> >
> No, you have to wash the truck and water the lawn. Then it will
rain. I
> wish it would rain here... forcast calls for snow. At least I have
some
> weight in the back of the bed now! ('81 F-150, 4x2)
>
>
> --
> Andre, (first winter in a pick-up, coming from a FWD car) Somewhere
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:13:16 -0500
From: "E.J."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column in a lonely Ford

> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column.
"Stephen W. Hansen"

> EJ
> I think your problem is that your truck is lonely for some more Fords to
> talk to in the driveway...
> It's acting up for attention from loneliness
> Steve..

> ------------------------------
Shh.....!!!!!!!, are you trying to get some of us in hot water with our
significants ??? !!!

Think before you say things like this..!!!!.

If this were true, and my girlfriend read this stuff, i would be getting
"roped in" to getting a "playmate" for the Toyota, cause' that was
begging for some attention last month. The valve seals had to be
replaced, at a whole whopping 35,000 miles, no not 135,000, but
35,000...!!!!. I would'nt mind another Ford, but another Toyota is the
LAST thing i need or want around here....lol.

Besides, my truck can "pal" around with my Lincoln, after all, it has
the "heart" of a Ford anyway.

By the way, thanks to the help of a fellow lister, my truck is fixed
!!!!!!

He hit the nail on the head !!!! Will make a seperate post on that.

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Hamilton Township(suburb of Trenton)
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1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N
(soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl-Performer Cam(mild) and Intake).
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
-liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!)
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:02:40 -0800 (PST)
From: David Whipkey
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon

I have a good friend that has an '89 club wagon w/a 460 with O/D and
he gets 13-15 on the hwy and about 12 in city.




- ---Evan & Teresa wrote:
>
> i had a 77 club wagon with a 4 bbl carb i was getting 6 miles to the
> canadian gallon finally got a diesel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MikeM130 aol.com
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:20 PM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460ci in a club wagon
>
>
> >I'm thinking about buying a 93 Club Wagon XLT supervan that is in
great
> shape
> >inside and out. The only reservation I have is fuel
economy.......it has
> the
> >460 V8 with automatic overdrive transmission.
> >
> >I've been given different estimates of mpg by several dealers/service
> >managers; anywhere from 9 to 14mpg highway.
> >
> >Does anyone on the list have some first-hand experience with this
> van/engine
> >combo? Thanks
> >
> >Mike
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:49:59 -0600
From: Joe Van Beckum
Subject: FTE 80-96 - low speed vibration

my 1995 f-150 has a small vibration or shudder as i accelerate from a
stop ,, it does it only at very slow speeds and is gone by the time i
reach 30 mph ,,
could this be something in the tranny ? ,, it has a v-8 302 and a 4r70w
tranny in it ,,
anyone ever noticed this or heard about it ,, i just bought the truck
and its a pretty minor vibration ,, it may be normal ,,
thanks for any advise ,
joe ,

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:54:25 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - brake booster

Well everyone..the brake booster is now fixed on my truck. I can not
believe the difference. With that and the new front tires...ol' red
runs like a dream. sometimes I even drive with the radio off just
because its so quiet. (at least until I get up to higher speeds..but
that's because I need to get new weather-stripping for the doors) and
it's smooth. it doesn't shake as much either. red just sorta glides
along the road. hehe...me so happy
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:04:30 -0700
From: kroger ucla.edu
Subject: Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:49:39 EST, HrdKnkr aol.com wrote:

> Also, if you're looking at a 460 for speed it's not really the answer. The
> big block is going to give lots more torque than anything. You won't notice
> any difference off the line.....in fact, it will probably be slower.


Thanks. I'm a bit amazed that I would not notice a difference off the
line between my 185 hp 302, and a 240 hp 460. Where would I notice
a difference? It is exactly off the line performance I want to improve;
on the highway the 5.0 is fine, but this lady beat me off the line bad
in an Isuzu Trooper the other day, and I can't get over it (heh).


> Try building up your 351. DART makes some nice iron heads for small
> block
> Fords that are virtually "bolt-on" performance . Combine that with a new
> cam, intake and carb combo and you can easily add 100 hp or more. The
> money
> you would spend swapping to a blg block would far outweigh these few
> performance mods and remember, this is reliable power you won't have to
> work
> on every week.
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Yes BUT, I'm moving from California to New Jersey, both strict emissions
states. Would these be legal? In the "Ford Pickup Bible" (or something like
that, great book) he notes some cams that are approved, which increase
torque at lower RPM range. How about the heads? Also, isn't switching
from EFI to a carb going to fail me at inspection time?

What a bummer to worry about all these legalities. Guess I pick the
wrong states to live in.

Jim



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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:11:15 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 f 250 fnt drive axle u-joint

Thanks for the replies, I'll pay the shop $150, especially since it's the
right u-joint, and 3 hours on the gravel driveway doesn't sound good right
now in Colorado.

zya, zeb

At 06:32 PM 11/2/98 -0500, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>Somehow I missed the original post, but if you are referring to the
>three u-joints in a twin traction beam axle, it isn't quite that
>simple. The left axle comes out as you describe. The right axle can be
>slid out from the stub shaft after you remove the boot.
>If you want to replace the center joint, however, DO NOT pull the stub
>shaft out from the pumpkin. There is a c-clip inside the pumpkin, and
>the pumpkin must be removed from the axle to get to it.
>
>Also, be prepared to put some serious effort into removing the spindles
>from the knuckles. On mine, I had to use a combination of oxygen,
>acetylene, ice, and a three pound dead-blow to separate them.
>
>Steve S.
>
>L WALTERS wrote:
>>
>> Zeb, IFS or Solid axle. doesn't matter, it is easy to r&r the u-joint.
>> You'll have to have a special socket to remove wheel bearings. Then remove
>> spindle (5or6 nuts attaching spindle to the Knuckle) once spindle is off
>> just yank drive shaft from pumpkin. r&r joint (buy the kind that is
>> greasable). should invest in "HAYNES" or "CHILTON" manual. they sell them at
>> part stores around 20-30 dollars. well worth the money and has this
>> procedure in it. G/L Bart.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 22:05:26 -0500
From: "E.J."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 92 F-250 Inoperative/broken shifter linkage fixed !!!!

Hello all. I'm "mobile" again !!!!.

Sorry to repost all of this but i think it can be of alot of help to
others. Bret hit the nail on the head. It also seems this is definitely
a common problem. They were not at all suprised at the delearship when i
brought the broken parts in. He did'nt even need to look up any part
numbers, he knew what they were and exactly where to find it on the
shelf, in a matter of seconds. Seems these things are quite the hot
replacement items....they even had them in stock(with the exception of
the plastic bushings), i did'nt even have to wait a few days....!!!!.

So below is Bret's response to me, and my original description and
symptoms of my problem are below it. I'd like to be sure this gets
passed on, it was great advice. I'll admit, i did'nt know what the hell
to expect. I was invisioning the worst, having to take this to the
dealership to fix, and between parts and labor, walking out a few
hundred lighter. But it's definitely something that can be done
yourself, as long as you have some basic know-how. I actually ended up
paying about $55 bucks for the tube and rod. Don't do what i did though
when it originally would'nt go into gear and i did'nt know why, and keep
trying to make it happen, and break the gear indicator/selector cable
end off. If so, plan on spending another 20-something for the indicator
assembly. And Ford just does'nt sell the cable....you have to buy the
whole PRNOD21 "face" piece with the cable attached as one. Which is
rather stupid because the cable assembly itself is actually attached to
the back of the PRNOD21 assembly with 1) 5mm screw...and can be
removed...go figure.

Anyway thanks again for the great advice.

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 07:24:06 PST
> From: "Bret Luter"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - shift lever broken
>
> Hopefully this will benefit some others on the digest too,
>
> We have 15 Econoline vans at work that are used daily as delivery
> vehicles. I have seen this problem on several of these (mostly the
> 92-94's). Can't say for sure if the F-series has the same set-up but
> it's worth a shot. What happens is that the shifter arm that you use to
> select your gear (PRND321) is connected to the linkage (that connects to
> the tranny) via an aluminum tube with a metal rod inside of it (this is
> all inside the steering column).
> Over years of use and pulling the shifter down into "D" a few thousand
> times, the aluminum tube breaks in half. The shifter arm is still
> connected to the top half of the tube/rod assembly but it doesn't
> transmit the movement to the tranny via the linkage.
> The fix is not too difficult (our vehicles DO NOT have tilt), call or
> stop by your local FORD dealer and tell them what happened and they
> should know what you need (should be the aluminum tube, the steel rod
> and 2 plastic bushings), I'm not sure of the cost but it seems that it's
> around $75-80 for all of this. You then have to drop the steering
> column by removing the 4 (?) main bolts that support it to the bottom of
> the dash (once it is released- it should drop several inches until the
> steering wheel rests on the driver's seat).
> Once you remove the cover off of the TOP of the steering column you
> should be able to see the parts in question. They are held onto the
> column by Torx bolts so be prepared! Just remember how they go back on
> and the whole thing should take less than 1 hour (barring any
> complications!). The cable that moves the gear indicator attaches to the
> aluminum tube on a little tab.
>
> Hope this helps, it seems to be a common problem on the E-series vans we
> have that are used pretty heavily!
> Feel free to E-mail directly if you need more specifics.
>
> Bret Luter, Raleigh, NC
> '85 F350 Crew Cab 6.9l (BMW Hauler)
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> (Original message below!)
>
> Hello all. Have a 92 F-250 with E4OD, tilt and cruise. Went to
> jump in
> the truck yesterday and put it into gear, and nothing. Column
> shifter
> completely inoperative, felt something that did'nt quite feel
> right when
> i went to take it out of park, but did'nt quite feel and or hear
> anything snap or break, when i did it. I did however
> consequently end up
> breaking the thin wire-like shifter indicator cable from trying
> unsuccesfully for 5 minutes to get the truck out of park, but
> that's the
> least of my worries. No warning signs leading up to this at all,
> like
> difficult shifting before etc.. Truck was fully warmed up and
> parked on
> level ground, had only ran in the store for newspapers, parked
> for maybe
> 5 minutes. Yanked out tilt lever and ignition cylinder to remove
> the
> upper steering column trim, and can see the upper part of the
> column
> moving with the shifter handle, but i'd imagine somewhere
> further down
> the column, something has become disconnected or broke. The
> shifter has
> no tension on it at all. Down up under the dash at the base of
> the
> column, none of the linkage is moving. I did however rule out
> any
> mechanical transmission or linkage troubles. I popped the
> shifter cable
> off of the linkage to the steering column, and was able to
> manually
> shift the trans by hand at the cable, so i could at least get
> the truck
> home. I have yet to remove the instrument cluster to get a
> better look
> at the middle section of the steering column, to see if there is
> something obviously broke and or disconnected.
>
> Anybody been down this same unfortunate road before ? Kind of
> like a
> "been there done that" ? And if so what was the fix ? Is this a
> common
> problem/occurence with these steering columns ?
>
> Thanks to all in advance.

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Hamilton Township(suburb of Trenton)
New Jersey
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1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N
(soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl-Performer Cam(mild) and Intake).
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
-liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!)
My SO's rider
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:45:25 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?

Gang,
My '87 F-250HD 4x4 is still running like a Ch*vy! Arggh! I posted
last week (lengthy) that the truck hesitates off-idle. Big time, like
to the point where if I don't let off the gas for a second it'll
stall. The only remedy is to let up and give it at least 3/4
throttle. It goes, but very slow (noisy, like 4 bbl is in) but
sluggish. Also on two occasions it ran awesome (on the way to work
yesterday, 3/4 of the way, then acted up again). Anyway spent a few
hours in garage tonite playing w/it and nothing. I rebuilt the carb
back in April so I started w/the float adjustments, but nothing.
Checked the fuel filter for any obvious debris (didn't have a new one
to replace it, yet), but nothing. When I tried to disconnect the fuel
line from the carb I bent the line and put a hole in it, great one
more thing to fix. But that did let me see that there was a vacuum
line off. Came off the tee for the manifold vac that runs to the
power booster for the brakes. Had hoped that was the fix I was
looking for, nope. I am starting to suspect the fuel pump. My
experience w/the pumps is if the truck runs they work, I've never had
them 'act up' they just stop (and at the most in-opportune times, of
course). Since it has run fine a couple of times in the last week
(This afternoon for about 3 miles) it makes me believe it is something
mechanical. This truck has the 351W H.O. 4bbl w/Duraspark ignition.
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Randy (Brew)
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:10:10 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Reliable Glow Plug tester found

Hi All,

It was a cool day here, 35 at the time I was starting my truck, and doing a
master cylinder check, it's still seeping, then the relay for the glow plugs
went spastic, so I went feeling the temp of the glow pugs. The front ones on
each side were a quick touch, HOT, the middle two each side were luke warm
and back ones cold.

Went shopping for plugs. Champions, made in Italy, 2 year warranty, at Parts
America were $7, AC, made in USA were $10 at NAPA, Bosch, made in Japan
preburned, were $8.50 at Auto Zone, and Motorcraft made in Germany,
preburned and threads treated with something, were $7.50 at Auto Zone.

Bought the Motorcraft's, put them in ... and WOW ... it starts sweet and
almost smokeless, and runs smooth out the gate! No clicking controller so
far either. Wait to start light is consistent now too.

zya, Zeb

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:17:44 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel pump?

Hey Randy,
I would start with the fuel filter, Its hard to see if there is a blockage in
there. did you try doing a fuel pump pressure test with a fuel pressure/vacuum
gauge? try that. also I would dissconnect the fuel line at the carb and blow
the lines back to the tank, and check your fuel tank for any dirt or crap, in
the tank and/or the lines.It sounds like shes starving for fuel. good luck. if
I come up with anymore ideas I will let you know.

Joe JSC721 AOL.COM
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 00:32:35 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

Yes the resistance sounds good. You'd only have a problem if it was really
high or none at all. Really high would cut down the amount of power getting
to the starter, and none at all would mean that the wire is open (not
connected somewhere inside the insulation(broken) and you would have no
power going to the starter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wojciechowski
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update


>Casey Vandor wrote:
>
>> Thats a good point, I overlooked that. THe alternator was serviced (new
>> brushes and stuff) a little while ago, so it should still be ok. BTW I
>> pulled my starter lead and my neg ground and checked for resistance in
>> them. On the 200 ohm scale I read about .9 and 1.1 in the cables.
>> Should I be getting 0? Or is the reading I am getting normal?
>
>I really don't know. I don't want to tell you anything that iswrong, Sorry.
>:-(
>
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 01:55:20 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dead Truck...Again Update

Casey,

Did you get the starter bench tested?? you must have a defective part
somewhere. even if you just replaced it. retrack your repairs. new parts can
be defective also. If you can, repost a run down of the problem and everything
that you did to correct it.
thanks,
good luck , joe
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 01:04:57 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rain-X and wiper motors

Thanks for the tips!(on the windshield wiper). And these motors are
going bad at the strangest times (the '88 had a motor that probably
wasn't used more than an hour total between quitting...one dry summer!)

Liquid Glass was/is a glass wax (and Rain-X is a polymer glass 'wax')
they both fill the tiny voids that water gets trapped in (and coat the
entire surface). Snow should slide off equally well (Now ice this
southern boy is not sure of).
The only thing that Rain-x doesn't work well with is the flying insecta
that inhabits southern Mississippi and Louisiana..but hopefully their
season will end soon!

George T. Hester
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:24:04 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines

At 4:06 PM +0000 10/30/98, Garr&Pam wrote:
>I will still keep my 5.8 because if add I a supercharger to mine to
>equal the playing fields...even though I would still have a few grand
>left over I would easily kill either of these trucks! I can't agree with
>you more on the low end grunt! Thats why Saleen mustangs yanks those
>crappy OHC motors in exchanged for a 5.8L....yes even the cobra motor is
>lame compared to the 400hp 351 that saleen uses!
>Chris
>94 Lightning

FWIW, Saleen doesn't yank any "crappy OHC motor", they yank a crappy
pushrod V6. All of their 351 cars start out as lowly V6 cars. I've seen
their shop in Irvine, CA and they have row after row of V6 powertrains
along the back wall.

And while the HP numbers for the '99 Cobra 4.6 4V haven't been released
yet, I've heard that it will have at least 320 hp but it will probably be
higher than that when the final calibration is released. So I'd expect
340-350hp. The same thing happened with the GT's 2V 4.6, all the magazines
were quoting the early calibration 250hp, while the final calibration
netted 260hp. None of these are "crappy"...each powertrain I've quoted has
at least 20hp more than the 5.8L Lightning engine, and the 4.6 2V on the
'99 GT puts out more power than the '93 or '94-'95 5.0L Cobra. And the
stock Windsor doesn't take boost any better or worse than the mod, so if
someone slapped the same blower on a mod as you did on a 5.8 lightning, you
wouldn't smoke em (unless, that is, you weight was sighnificantly less).
You'd both get 40% boost in power, and since the '99 5.4 2V outpowers the
'93-'95 Lightning, the mod would still be delivering more power. And there
is nothing inherent in a pushrod that delivers more torque. Case in point,
the F-series mod 5.4 vs. the GM 5.3. The 5.4 puts out 30 lb-ft more torque,
and the peak is much lower in the rev band. This is very evident if you
look at an overlay of the 5.4 and 5.3 power curves on a graph. The Vortec
is not a very good truck engine, and it's peaky nature forced them to add a
"tow/haul" mode on the auto trans to try to get that engine to move a load.
Sorry GM, the "99 percenters" will be going elsewhere for their trucks.

And on the 5.4 4V Navigator, I wouldn't expect that engine to appear on the
Expy or F-series. It'll probably stay a Lincoln exclusive to get people to
spend the extra $$$ on the Nav instead of the practically identical Expy.
But what I don't get is why they are bothering to supercharge the 2V
version of the 5.4 for the new Lightning when they could have used the 4V
Navigator heads. Either way the new Lightning will be the most powerful,
best handling truck ever to leave a factory, from any manufacturer.

Later,
Rob


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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:33:49 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

A 460 would be an easy swap...the only challenge might be finding engine
mounts for putting a 460 in a F-150 frame. Be sure to get the computer and....

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