80-96-list-digest Tuesday, November 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 378



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joints
FTE 80-96 - Free Rims
re:FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 gas mileage
FTE 80-96 - Fw: RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column
Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 gas mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?
FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny
FTE 80-96 - Borg Warner 4-speed whining
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck...Again
Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?
Re: Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?
FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Free Rims
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 f 250 fnt drive axle u-joint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition
FTE 80-96 - faulty fuel guage
FTE 80-96 - 84 Ranger Oil sending unit.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last
Re: FTE 80-96 - steering box adjustment?
FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???

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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 07:22:25 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - U-joints

TMac79 aol.com wrote:

> Thank you to everybody that answered my question.
>
> I was really hoping that it wasn't the u-joint but I guess this kind of stuff
> is part of the fun of owning any vehicle.
> Is this an expensive fix? Is it something I can do myself? also, Is this a
> common problem with Ford trucks?

Tom,
Yes, you can do it. Just practice on a Ch*vy first. :-) Yeah
it is easy once you do it two times. Even the first time is not
that bad either. You got a workbench vice ? Anyways if you
want to know the procedure I will be happy to type it up for
you. Now as far as expense. This depends on you, and your
driving applications. First you can buy heavy duty Spicer
u-joints that cost between $25.00 and $40.00 ordered from a
driveline shop. Where as the lighter u-joints at AutoZone are
$7.00-$10.00. The difference is the Spicer is for Off-raod usage
and is built to take the different driveline angles that offroading
is susceptible too. Versus the Autozone light ones with lifetime
guarantee are strictly for street use. Well you can use them for
offroading but they snap pretty easy. Anyways, its your driving
application as to what kind you buy.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:00:34 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Free Rims

Guys,
My Dad gave me one of his 15x10 rims this weekend so I can
put a spare 33" tire from one I saved after getting my new BFG's.
So I have had my spare 31" on a 15x7, now I can take that off and
put it with my other 3. So I now have a complete set of 4 -15x7. If
anyone wants them then all you need to do is pay shipping.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: 2 Nov 98 08:12:04 EST
From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
Subject: re:FTE 80-96 - Future Ford Engines

>I read last night that Ford may (for 1999?) provide a supercharged 5.4L
>engine in it's trucks(perhaps the Lightning?).

>As well, they will provide a 4-valve aluminum head 5.4L for the Lincoln
>Navigator(in 1999) rated at 300h.p. (I assume to compete with Chevy's 300
>h.p. 6.0L.) They assume this engine will make it's way into the Expedition
>and F-Series soon after(only logical).

>The horsepower of these new engines sounds great, but I sure do miss the
>low-end grunt of the old big blocks. I guess that's where a supercharger
>comes in. More torque at a lower rpm. It will be interesting to see the
>torque curves of the 300 horse Chevy 6.0L vs. the Ford 5.4L 300 h.p.(with
>and with out the supercharger.).

>Walt

As an employee of the company (Eaton) supplying the supercharger for the
Ford
5.4l, I can (unofficially) confirm that. We are shipping a limited
quantity, so the trucks
probably won't be widely available for a while. For more info on
supercharging,
check out our web site at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eaton.com/supercharger/index.html
And yes, low end grunt is EXACTLY the reason for supercharging.

Chuck Skarsaune

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:00:00 -0500
From: "Musolino, John"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 gas mileage

Lamar DeVille writes:


>I recently purchased a '93 F-150 with the 5.8L engine. I've done the
easy
>stuff like tuneup and air filter change, but my gas mileage (city) is
around
>11mpg. Is that what I have to live with or should I be getting better.
If
>so, I'd appreciate suggestions as to how to improve it.

I have a '96 F-150 with the 5.8L, extended cab, 4x4. I usually get about
12mpg around town and 16mpg on the highway at 65-70mph. 2 1/2 tons of
Detroit iron takes some fuel to move around. If it's good gas mileage
you want, rather then a brute force truck, get a Toyota. }:-)

Moose
John Musolino
john.musolino newsday.com



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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:15:25 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen W. Hansen
To: 80-96-list
Date: Sunday, November 01, 1998 10:00 AM
Subject: RE:Inoperative/broken shifter linkage in steering column


EJ
I think your problem is that your truck is lonely for some more Fords to
talk to in the driveway...
It's acting up for attention from loneliness
Steve..
>
>
>
>1979 Pontiac Trans Am T-tops(403 organ donor for the Calais)
> For Sale.
>1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N
> (soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl-Performer Cam(mild) and Intake).
>1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
>1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
> inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
>1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
> 3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
> Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
> Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
>1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
> -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!)
> My SO's rider
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:16:31 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 gas mileage

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen W. Hansen
To: 80-96-list
Date: Sunday, November 01, 1998 9:55 AM
Subject: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 gas mileage


I have done several things to my F-250 w/351 and only seen minor increases
in the mileage. I have tracked my mileage religiously sense I bought it in
1994. My last trip from ND to Oregon I averaged 14 mpg and rolled over
90,000 miles (only 50,000 are mine). So is the better mileage from the
engine getting a bit worn? Hmmmmm. I have KN filter, Dual exhaust with no
cat converter. tried splitfire (no big deal) now using platinum, and am now
using a synthetic blend oil. The next trip I am using a full synthetic oil..
Steve


>
>>I recently purchased a '93 F-150 with the 5.8L engine. I've done the easy
>stuff like tuneup and >air filter change, but my gas mileage (city) is
>around 11mpg. Is that what I have to live with or >should I be getting
>better. If so, I'd appreciate suggestions as to how to improve it.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:17:26 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

First, a 460 will fit in any F series chassis. the swap wouldn't be very
hard but you want to make sure and get every piece of accessory from the old
to the new. As for trannys, I myself am trying to find a 5-speed to replace
my 4-speed. After lots of research I figured it wasn't worth the expense. I
have an '85 F250 460 4 speed. Great power but only about 8 miles to the gal.
6 if I'm pulling my boat. (Big Boat Too). If you're running automatic, you
definately need to put a C6 behind a big block. Good luck!!
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:24:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny

I have a '90 F-250 4X4, it has a 302 and the mazda tranny. I think it may
be going out, but I am not sure. The problem is when you try to shift
into second, either up or down. It makes a strange sound, not quite a
grinding sound, but like something is rubbing that shouldn't be. It is
also a little harder to put into this gear. Any ideas? My thinking now
is that this could get expensive. One other question, would the heavy
duty ford 5-spd (ZF??) bolt on? Just wondering, I figure it won't.
Thanks for any help!

Randy Werth
1990 F-250 4x4


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:34:50 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny

I have heard that the mazda tranny is no good. (just an opinion I heard) The
ZF is the Godzilla and it pretty expensive. I called a few junkyards around
Austin and they said even if they can get one, it usually runs around 800-900
$$$. Then you have to make sure you have the right tail coner
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:41:41 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: M50D tranny

Continuation of last mailer.....

I looked at converting to a 5 speed ( I currently have an '85 F250, 460, 4
speed) but decided that I was too much hassle to convert to myself. If
you're only pushing a small block the Mazda tranny should suit your needs.
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:45:45 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Borg Warner 4-speed whining

I own an '85 F250, 460, with the big Borg-Warner 4 speed. I'm getting a
whining in granny, 2nd and 3rd gears (bad!!!) but perfectly quiet in 4th. I
know there is some sort of bearing out but not sure whether these 3 gears
might need replacing. Does anybody know if these 3 gears share a common
bearing that is NOT used in 4th? And if it is just a bearing, can it be
serviced by a good backyard mechanic? Does anybody know if the later model ZF
5 speed will bolt in with little modification?
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:12:48 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck...Again

Casey Vandor wrote:

> Ok, I had all the fusible link trouble a while ago, and one of the
> things I replaced was the solenoid. I go to start my truck yesterday,
> and the soleniod doesn;t close like normal, but repetiviely clicks and
> does not turn the engine over. Today, I went to start it, and the

Casey,
If it only takes a few hours for the battery to drain down then there is
a good chance the voltage regulator is staying open, causing voltage
to be drained. I think I remember you saying you got a new alternator.
Is your voltage regulator integrated with the alternator or does it mount
on the fender ? If it is a fender mount then they run around $13.00 as
I recall when I replaced mine.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:21:03 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stephen W. Hansen
To: 80-96-list
Date: Sunday, November 01, 1998 9:43 AM
Subject: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?


Anything can be done, if you want to put enough money into it. The gains
wouldn't be worth the effort. 250's have heavier frames (ithink), clutches,
brakes
ect, and there is too many elements to check when doing that radical of a
swap. for the money you would spend getting it all to fit and work, you
could put that money into the 351 and hot rod it out. My 2 cents is rather
than go to all that work, buy another truck.
>
>
>>I really like my F-150, but the thing is, I just want more
>>power. I almost bought a 460 F-250, and am now wishing
>>I had. Thus I have three questions:
>
>>1. Will a 460 go into an F-150? I suspect it would require the
>>complete intake system and tranny to be included in the swap,
>>maybe some new springs in front? What trannies would work
>>that have overdrive?
>
>>3. I'm getting 12 mpg with the 302, how bad will it be with
>>a 460?
>
Mileage on 460's vary, dad is on his 3rd one and has gotten around 7-11 mpg
Steve
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:49:39 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 in an F-150?

Also, if you're looking at a 460 for speed it's not really the answer. The
big block is going to give lots more torque than anything. You won't notice
any difference off the line.....in fact, it will probably be slower.

Try building up your 351. DART makes some nice iron heads for small block
Fords that are virtually "bolt-on" performance . Combine that with a new
cam, intake and carb combo and you can easily add 100 hp or more. The money
you would spend swapping to a blg block would far outweigh these few
performance mods and remember, this is reliable power you won't have to work
on every week.
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:42:27 EST
From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?

Can I adjust my steering box without removing it from my truck?
The steering is a lil funky when driving on the highway (has some play to it)
I was wondering is there a way to adjust the steering box while it is still
in
the truck or does it have to come out?
If so what is the proper way to do this adjustment and has is it done?
Thanks for all who respond
Tony
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:48:27 -0600
From: "Chad A. Dietrich"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last

Randy
The quad shock front end has two shocks per wheel, four total. Ford used the
quad-shock on the f-150 XLT with the hd front end. I asume then that it was on
the 250 and 350.

Randy wrote:

> Chad,
> I think quad shocks would be excessive for 31's to say the least. Now
> dual shocks might be ok. Four shocks on one 31" tire is too much
> dampning for the spring/tire's energy. I know dual fronts are really
> easy on mine ('87 F-250HD, leafs) since the shock tower is a deep
> vertical 'C' channel. Just buy long enough bolts, use four bushins (2
> top, 2 bottom) and mount the shocks outside the mounting channel.
> As for the tire pressure. My tires are at 85 max I think, but if I
> filled them that high, it would bounce me right out of the truck, I go
> about 65. If they're like basketballs, drop maybe 5 psi each and
> drive for a week. If too high still maybe -5 again. Adjust until you
> feel comfortable, nice ride, not too much side roll.
>
> Later,
> Randy (Brew)
>
> Chad A Dietrich wrote:
> >
> > I just put the highest Gabrielle shocks in my truck and after about
> > 4000mi there shot in the front and there is a bit of play in the back.
> > What kind of shocks should I be using?
> > Would it be worth looking at converting it over to quad shock? the
> > reason I am wondering about quad shock is I have 31x10.5 and when I fill
> > them to what they recommend they are like a basket ball and hard on the
> > shock. When I only put about 35psi they are to sloppy and the rim
> > bounces way to much in the tire.
> > Any Thoughts?
> > Chad
> >
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:13:51 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?

The gear box itself should have a stud sticking out of the
upper side with a lock nut securing it. Loosen the lock nut,
turn the stud one full turn, then check your steering wheel.
Do this without the engine running, you'll know how far to
turn the stud as the steering tightens.

Bob

IMATOOLMAN aol.com wrote:
>
> Can I adjust my steering box without removing it from my truck?
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:16:21 -0500
From: "John Meade"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Free Rims

Rick,

I believe I could use those 15X7's on my 86. What year?

Please email me at wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Rick Wojciechowski
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 9:01 AM
> To: FORD Truck List
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Free Rims
>
>
> Guys,
> My Dad gave me one of his 15x10 rims this weekend so I can
> put a spare 33" tire from one I saved after getting my new BFG's.
> So I have had my spare 31" on a 15x7, now I can take that off and
> put it with my other 3. So I now have a complete set of 4 -15x7. If
> anyone wants them then all you need to do is pay shipping.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 16:46:48 -0600
From: "Chad A. Dietrich"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1980 Ford F150 steering box adjustment?

Yes you can adjust it while it is still in the truck. Infact you have to do it
while in the truck. But you need an inch pound tourqe wrench. Haynes manuel has
it pretty well spelled out. but if you need it I can type it up. If you know
where I can get an inch pound wrench that will go down to 14-18inch pounds let me
know.
Chad

IMATOOLMAN aol.com wrote:

> Can I adjust my steering box without removing it from my truck?
> The steering is a lil funky when driving on the highway (has some play to it)
> I was wondering is there a way to adjust the steering box while it is still
> in
> the truck or does it have to come out?
> If so what is the proper way to do this adjustment and has is it done?
> Thanks for all who respond
> Tony
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:28:30 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last

Chad,
Nope, my F-250HD 4x4 has one shock per tire. If the 'quad' set-up is
two per, then go for it. But really, one per tire of good quality
_should_ be able to handle it. Your call.

Later,
Randy (Brew)

Chad A. Dietrich wrote:
>
> Randy
> The quad shock front end has two shocks per wheel, four total. Ford used the
> quad-shock on the f-150 XLT with the hd front end. I asume then that it was on
> the 250 and 350.
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:32:38 -0500
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88 f 250 fnt drive axle u-joint

Somehow I missed the original post, but if you are referring to the
three u-joints in a twin traction beam axle, it isn't quite that
simple. The left axle comes out as you describe. The right axle can be
slid out from the stub shaft after you remove the boot.
If you want to replace the center joint, however, DO NOT pull the stub
shaft out from the pumpkin. There is a c-clip inside the pumpkin, and
the pumpkin must be removed from the axle to get to it.

Also, be prepared to put some serious effort into removing the spindles
from the knuckles. On mine, I had to use a combination of oxygen,
acetylene, ice, and a three pound dead-blow to separate them.

Steve S.

L WALTERS wrote:
>
> Zeb, IFS or Solid axle. doesn't matter, it is easy to r&r the u-joint.
> You'll have to have a special socket to remove wheel bearings. Then remove
> spindle (5or6 nuts attaching spindle to the Knuckle) once spindle is off
> just yank drive shaft from pumpkin. r&r joint (buy the kind that is
> greasable). should invest in "HAYNES" or "CHILTON" manual. they sell them at
> part stores around 20-30 dollars. well worth the money and has this
> procedure in it. G/L Bart.
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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:34:42 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition

Red,
I looked into a Jacobs for my F-250 (Duraspark) and called them, was
quoted like 330 bucks or something and I'd have to cut the wires to
length. I told the guy I saw it way cheaper than that and dug out a
4wheelparts Wholesalers ad and yep, 225. They said they'd match it
and give me the ignition wires cut to length. This was like 2 yrs ago
and unfortunately 2 kids later, and the only Jacob I have is my son,
lol. Anyway I think that was for the OmniPak, the UltraTeam was way
more, like 400-500 I think, but I wasn't interested in the upgrades
that it offered. I'd look around for the BEST price you can find
advertised (that's the tricky part) and then call them back if that's
who you decide to go with.

Later,
Randy (Brew)

BigRed wrote:
>
> I've got a question for ya'll. I'm going to upgrade my ignition system for
> my 87 F-150 5.0 auto. I was just kind of wondering if any of you has tried
> or knows someone who has tried the Jacob's Electronic's system. Does it work
> good, dependable, worth the 300 some odd dollars, etc..... Or if you know of
> any other good choices?
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:09:11 -0500
From: "Dave Miles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - faulty fuel guage

I just had the same thing happen to my 89 -150. I've checked all the
connectors I could from the tanks to the instrument panel for corrosion.
All fine. I checked the gage by putting 12v to it. It moves so i assume
it's okay.I replaced the multi-function control assy.(small i.c board on
the backside of instrument cluster.) with a new unit from ford dealer,
didn't help.I can't imagine that both sending units could fry at exactly
the same time. Well, sorry I couldn't be of help, but at least you're not
alone.


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Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:45:19 -0700
From: "Russ Cominsky"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 Ranger Oil sending unit.

Hello all...

Can anyone tell me where the oil sending unit is on the V-6, I believe its a 171 C.I. I have looked but I cant find it.

thanks..


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 23:11:59 -0600
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last

I've got the factory quad system om my truck with 33's and I couldn't tell
the difference in ride quality while I was driving a buddy's truck without
the quads and 32's. And I really don't think the 1 inch tire difference
would change what I felt. I really don't think it's doing anything special
for me except costing me more money when I need to buy shocks.
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From: Randy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shocks don't last


>Chad,
>Nope, my F-250HD 4x4 has one shock per tire. If the 'quad' set-up is
>two per, then go for it. But really, one per tire of good quality
>_should_ be able to handle it. Your call.
>
>Later,
>Randy (Brew)
>
>Chad A. Dietrich wrote:
>>
>> Randy
>> The quad shock front end has two shocks per wheel, four total. Ford used
the
>> quad-shock on the f-150 XLT with the hd front end. I asume then that it
was on
>> the 250 and 350.
>>
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:18:27 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - steering box adjustment?

One good way a guy showed me:

Jack front end up so that wheels turn freely without touching ground.

If possible, have somebody sit in cab and turn steering wheel
while you tighten adjusting nut.
Any tightness in steering can be easily felt.
If steering drags, back off the adjustment.

Mike

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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 04:55:49 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New list user, old Ford problem???

My name is George Hester,Jackson,MS I currently own 2 F150's, 1 a '88
shortbed and the other a '89 LB. both have the 300/6 and ZF5speed.....


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