80-96-list-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 370



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: High mileage 302 engine issues
FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues
FTE 80-96 - Lightning for Sale
FTE 80-96 - Re: 6.9L Diesel Fuel Pump #369
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: High mileage 302 engine issues
FTE 80-96 - Re: '85 6.9 diesel pump
FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Rear Seats & Tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Trim 92 F-150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Trim 92 F-150...have one.
FTE 80-96 - Fw: unleaded gas
FTE 80-96 - Fw: unleaded gas
Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Whine in transmission
FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?
FTE 80-96 - Dashboard Problem

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:26:45 -0500
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: High mileage 302 engine issues

It's an automatic, 302 with EFI. I hear it from the time I start
it cold to full warm up. I hear it at the front and back lower
end of the engine as well as some valve train clatter.

Thanks

>When do you hear the rumbling? Is the tranny an Auto? My 86 Bronco went into
>sensory overload. ( O2, EGR, TPS. all bowing out after a hard trail run)
>135K miles.
>
>Bob

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:28:54 -0500
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues

It's the whole time I run the engine. Sound comes strongly from back
bottom of engine, some from front too, but also some valve train noise.

Thanks,
John

>If it is after it warms up chances are its the power steering pump My 86
>f150 4x4 does the same thing but only after its run for about 2-3 minutes
>
>Chad
>John Wickerham wrote:
>
>> Hello, I'm new on the list.
>>
>> I just bought an '86 F150 4x4 with a 302 EFI engine with about
>> 156K miles (got it cheap). I'm going over it and deciding
>> what work needs to be done on it.
>>
>> I'm not familiar with ford trucks, so I need some info. My
>> question is this:
>> I hear a rumbling - kind of sounds like marbles rumbling
>> around in the bottom of the engine. I didn't pick this up
>> when I checked it over before purchase. Is this the main
>> bearings making noise, and am I in for an imminent engine
>> failure?
>>
>> What other serious problems am I likely to encounter on a
>> ford 302 (fuel injected) with this many miles?

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:10:03 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lightning for Sale

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:33:32 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 6.9L Diesel Fuel Pump #369

Barnaby,

If you have to ask, you probably should not do the work. Changing out a
rotary pump can be pretty tedious, at best. The injector lines are rigid and
difficult to line-up perfectly. If you get anything cross threaded (easy to
do) you are in trouble. It is also critical to get the timing marks just
right.

Most of the cost you are quoted is for parts. I don't know what Ford's markup
is for the pump but it is probably at least 50%. BTW, for that money you are
almost surely getting a rebuilt pump, not new.

Recommend you consider two options to your Ford dealer.

1) Go to the nearest Navistar shop and see what they will charge.

2) Check out your Yellow Pages under Fuel Injection Equipment & Service and
call around for the best price to have your pump removed, overhauled and
reinstalled or to have an overhauled pump installed.

IMO, there is virtually no difference in quality between a Ford overhauled
pump and a locally overhauled pump. The warranty should be similar, too.

Good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:44:07 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Question

Leo Mosley wrote:
>
> I have read several posts where people have said that having a too freely
> flowing exhaust can reduce engine torque. I have thought about this statement
> (with my limited understanding), but can't figure out why it would be the case.
> Any chance, some list member could explain this in "layman terms"?
>
Everything you do to an engine is a compromise. TO optimize power at
high speeds, you need to get as much ari/fuel into the cylinder as
quickly as possible and get as muck exaust out of there as quickly as
possible.

While this would seem to also help low speed operation (and to a certain
extent, it does), the thing with low-speeds is that you want to keep the
velocity of the gases fairly high. As high as at high speed operation.
But if you get sewer pipe exausts on a low speed engine, the speed of
the gasses passing out (oooh, passing gas--yuck) will be much lower.

Why do you need the fast flowing gasses? What happes is that the gasses
flowing through the intake and exaust are not flowing continuously, but
in pulses. There are high pressure pulses, and in between, low pressure
pulses. Those low pressure pulses actually help scavenge exaust, by
reducing the pressure outside the exaust valve the used combustion
products are 'sucked' out. The high pressure pulses in the intake tract
help 'push in' the air/fuel mixture.

These same pulses work at high speed, too. But what you want is a set up
so that the desired pulse gets to the valve area when the valve is
opened, and that's all a matter of timing, get a high pressure pulse at
the exaust when it's opened, and combustion byproducts won't exit as
easily.

If this sounds like an exaust (or intake) only work properly at one
speed (and its' harmonix), then, yeah, you're right. One of the main
thrusts of designing intake and exaust systems is to either get a
maximum power peak or a peak that is not as high, but much wider when
viewed on a power vs RPM chart.

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:01:32 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: High mileage 302 engine issues

Hmmm.
Does it stop after warm-up? Do you here it at hard aceleration? Or up hills?
Could be knock sensor, timing off, or maybe you need to increase your fuel octane
rating a bit.

Bob


John Wickerham wrote:

> It's an automatic, 302 with EFI. I hear it from the time I start
> it cold to full warm up. I hear it at the front and back lower
> end of the engine as well as some valve train clatter.
>
> Thanks
>
> >When do you hear the rumbling? Is the tranny an Auto? My 86 Bronco went into
> >sensory overload. ( O2, EGR, TPS. all bowing out after a hard trail run)
> >135K miles.
> >
> >Bob
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:29:32 EST
From: BGar02167 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: '85 6.9 diesel pump

In a message dated 10/25/98 3:44:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


in
the shop to get winterized, after a move from CA to ID. It is a great truck,
and my new pride and joy. Anyway, during the fixing (brakes, filters, lube,
etc.) they said my fuel pump is leaking. The leak is on the driver's side of
the engine, and bad enough to lower the mileage a little (1-2 mpg).

They want $800 for the job, to replace with new. Is this reasonable? How
hard would it be for me to do this myself?

I also need to get the interior redone. Any reccomendations for the SE
Idaho/SLC area?
>>
Check the Ford Diesel Web Site there are chat boards there and 6.9s in
particular.
Get a Haynes manual to do the work yourself.
Are you referring to your low or high pressure pump? The injector pump is
$300-400 just for parts.
Brian G
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:30:49 -0600
From: Travis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco

Right now I've got an 89 Full-Size Bronco with a 5.8l fuel-injected and I've
got 12inch glasspacks. Well, my friend has a chevrolet and the damn thing
is almost 2 times as loud as mine, and I'd like to be the loudest in town
personally. I know headers will make my truck louder, but what kind of
engine improvements, or what size of pipe should I be running, and what else
can I do to make my Bronco the loudest in town? I know this probably sounds
stupid, but I live in south Texas and down here, it's a big thing. Thanks...

Travis

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:04:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Whities
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco

On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Travis wrote:

> Right now I've got an 89 Full-Size Bronco with a 5.8l fuel-injected and I've
> got 12inch glasspacks. Well, my friend has a chevrolet and the damn thing
> is almost 2 times as loud as mine, and I'd like to be the loudest in town
> personally. I know headers will make my truck louder, but what kind of
> engine improvements, or what size of pipe should I be running, and what else
> can I do to make my Bronco the loudest in town? I know this probably sounds
> stupid, but I live in south Texas and down here, it's a big thing. Thanks...
>
> Travis
>
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If we was living in the same town, I would say that you are talking about
me with my Chevy. :P I have a 72 Chevy weith a 400 small block and hooker
headers with 3 inck pipe going all the way back to just before the back
axle. With flowmasters then a pipe about a foot to a foot and a half long
turned down toward the ground at a 45 degree angle.

If you can get a muffler shop to turn the pipes down it will get louder.
Also see if you can get them to shorten the pipes just before the back
axle. Then crank it up and you should hear a difference.


I'm not going to do that to my 93 Ford XLT....my Chevy will set alarms off
a 1/2 mile away! :P


Michael


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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:37:05 EST
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rear Seats & Tires

I don't know if this has been asked before or not, but I need to find a fold
down rear seat for my 1994 F-350 4x4 Crew Cab PSD. What I am looking for is
one similar to the seat in my Explorer which will fold down to leave a flat
surface covering, and slightly elevating (possibly to normal seating height)
the entire rear seat area of the truck. I've got a great dog that just loves
to ride, but he falls off into the open space for feet and legs and I'm afraid
that he'll get hurt doing this. He's also uncomfortable trying to balance on
the slope of the rear seating area.

I'd like to find a seat that will fit into the original seat mounting points
for safety and convenience reasons. (My mechanical skills are on a par with
the canine's and I'd like to be able to make the changeover myself if
possible)

Also, its time for new tires. I'd like to step up a size or two from the OEM
235's, possibly into the 245 or 255 range tires. I need to stick with load
range "E" tires. I know that this may effect some of the sensors and computer
inputs. Has anybody been successful in upsizing tires in this manner. I'd
also like some opinions as to brand and tread designs others have used. I'm
about 75% high speed on the interstate and 25% off road.

TIA

Steve
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:56:34 EST
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco

ADDING A K FILTERCHARGER REALLY ENHANCES THE NOISE LEVEL...SOUNDS PRETTY
COOL...I LOVE MINE.

may the loudest fords rule...!!!!!!

michael long
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:58:24 -0500
From: David Cole
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Trim 92 F-150

Does anyone on the list know of any online source for mail order body/trim
parts. I need the brushed aluminum piece with the smoke plastic strip
that covers the tailgate on my 92 F-150 XLT. There is a dent/break in
mine that I don't EVEN want to talk about how it got there. Dohhh. I
haven't checked with a Ford dealer yet as the closest is 40 miles away.
In my past experience they tend to charge out the wazoo for this type part.
I'd like to get the best price possible, so maybe there are other sources
than Ford?

Any estimates on what this part might cost?

Thanks in advance for any help

David Cole

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:04:57 EST
From: FSTFORDS aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tailgate Trim 92 F-150...have one.

i have one for ya...it's got the red accent panel going across and is missing
the ford emblem...
how's $50 sound i went to the flush look when i got my older p/u painted...

michael long
tacoma,wa
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:18:31 -0500
From: "erik t byberg"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: unleaded gas

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> From: erik t byberg
> To: Motorhome problem
> Subject: unleaded gas
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:54 PM
>
> Hello
> My first time trying list. I own a 91 motorhome on i Deere-Oshkosh
chassis.
> It is powered by a 460 Ford "POWER PRODUCTS" engine with about 27,000
> milesand a C-6 Transmission, The engine seriel # is 12906 K-21-TR. The
> model # is LS6-875V-6001-HW. Model code is H04-4404-KDA. The reason for
the
> numbers is due to the unique problem the engine has. First all I have not
> been able to determine the year, The best I can do is between 1976 &
1985.
> It has the EGR valve and the air pumps and all the "necessary" vacuum
> lines. It started skipping slightly a while ago and got progressively
> worse. The compression started going low and varying from cylinder to
> cylinder. so I removed the heads.What I found was that the heafs were not
> equipped with hardened seats.All the "unleaded gas only" decals are in
> place, the engine is not set up to run it. I sure hope someone can help
me
> with this problem or furnish some contacts that can use. As you can well
> imagine, this has turned into quite a project, both time and money wise.
> Thank You Erik Byberg 7001 7th Av. W. Sebring, Fl, 33870
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:15:21 -0500
From: "erik t byberg"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fw: unleaded gas

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> From: erik t byberg
> To: Motorhome problem
> Subject: unleaded gas
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:54 PM
>
> Hello
> My first time trying list. I own a 91 motorhome on i Deere-Oshkosh
chassis.
> It is powered by a 460 Ford "POWER PRODUCTS" engine with about 27,000
> milesand a C-6 Transmission, The engine seriel # is 12906 K-21-TR. The
> model # is LS6-875V-6001-HW. Model code is H04-4404-KDA. The reason for
the
> numbers is due to the unique problem the engine has. First all I have not
> been able to determine the year, The best I can do is between 1976 &
1985.
> It has the EGR valve and the air pumps and all the "necessary" vacuum
> lines. It started skipping slightly a while ago and got progressively
> worse. The compression started going low and varying from cylinder to
> cylinder. so I removed the heads.What I found was that the heafs were not
> equipped with hardened seats.All the "unleaded gas only" decals are in
> place, the engine is not set up to run it. I sure hope someone can help
me
> with this problem or furnish some contacts that can use. As you can well
> imagine, this has turned into quite a project, both time and money wise.
> Thank You Erik Byberg 7001 7th Av. W. Sebring, Fl, 33870
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:13:20 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Louder Bronco

Travis,
Radical cams are great for sound, hearing that 'lobiness' is cool!
Had a '79 Camaro once that I built a 350 for. Timed and tuned it the
first day and drove to the corner (about a mile) to fill it up to take
it to the muffler shop the next morning on the way to work. Man,
people were twisting their heads off to see what was coming! Got on
it just a little (hadn't broken the motor in yet) when I left the
station and my brother who was at my house could hear me! Don't think
it's cool when someone has a car that loud now, but hey, the Harley
guys get away w/it, why not us four-leggers eh?

Later,
Randy (Brew)

Travis wrote:
>
> Right now I've got an 89 Full-Size Bronco with a 5.8l fuel-injected and I've
> got 12inch glasspacks. Well, my friend has a chevrolet and the damn thing
> is almost 2 times as loud as mine, and I'd like to be the loudest in town
> personally. I know headers will make my truck louder, but what kind of
> engine improvements, or what size of pipe should I be running, and what else
> can I do to make my Bronco the loudest in town? I know this probably sounds
> stupid, but I live in south Texas and down here, it's a big thing. Thanks...
>
> Travis
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:32:37 -0700
From: kroger ucla.edu
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Whine in transmission

Thanks to everyone who answered my post about driving around with
one front hub locked and easing my nerves. Wonder if this could be
related?

I recently acquired an 88 F-150 4x4 5.0 auto with overdrive. When I
stop, then shift into reverse, then step on the gas, I hear a whine
around the transmission. It may have been there before and I am
just noticing it. Or, as I'm getting used to the truck, I may be stepping
on the gas a bit harder now when I back into my parking spot.

Any idea what this might be, and if it is normal? Maybe the front
differential or the transfer case? Seems like since it only
happens in reverse it'd have to be the tranny?

Many thanks
Jim


PS - there is a 97-98 F-150 mailing list (see
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/maillist.htm). Anybody know of
one for older F-150s?



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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:41:53 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

From: Mike McWhirter
>Is there a best time to let my 88 F-150 4x4 warm up before taking
>off? =

>Since I'm about to move to cold country (brrrr) I'm especially intereste=
d
>in knowing optimum procedure.

Let your electric engine block heater work for 2-3 hours, and you should
be fine... (saves engine wear 'an masse', you'd be ready to go promptly,
saves gas and even reduces pollution (saves your conscience without
having to buy a 4-banger)...

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Tel. +47 92 45 01 56 =

Fax. +47 70 10 24 31
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bryggen.bgnett.no/~bjornar
1 Son, 3 yrs
1 Groenendael, 4 yrs
1 1990 Ford E-250 Club Wagon 7.3 diesel, 3.54, E4OD
1 1994 Ford Escort 1.3
1 1986 Ford Escort 1.6 Wagon
Oh, yes, one 1971 wife, too!
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:55:43 +0100
From: Oliver Gresens
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dashboard Problem....


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