80-96-list-digest Sunday, October 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 369



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: diesel engines
FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas in Diesel
FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas in diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
FTE 80-96 - 1985 F350 6.9L Diesel Fuel Pump, oh boy...
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest V2 #368
FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues
Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:34:18 EDT
From: BGar02167 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: diesel engines

In a message dated 10/24/98 3:39:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


one past 100K miles ?

SRD >>

Every one.
So will gas.
With the advent of EFI,Throttle Body, and better oil blends gas can go 250-300
easily. I know of a throttle body truck that has been worked hard since new w/
over 300 and stilling pulling 5000# well.
My experience w/ diesel is that you will eventually get tired of it using oil
and smoking and get a newer one. I know of a local who is going to make 500k
on his 6.9.
Brian G
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:23:51 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas in Diesel

Zeb,

Don't even think about trying to burn that gas in your diesel. The tank of
fuel is cheap, very cheap. Diesel repairs are expensive, very expensive.

Drain the tank and dispose of the fuel. Use the in-tank pump to get the dregs
out. It should not be necessary to remove and steam clean the tank if you do
a good job of draining it.

Gasoline (even diluted with diesel) is so much easier to ignite that it would
tend to explode much earlier on the compression stroke than diesel. If you
have a pre-power stroke engine with pre-cups the gas could ignite as it enters
the pre-cup due to any hot spots.

The natural lubricity of the diesel has been ruined by the gasoline. All the
moving parts of your fuel system, including the injectors are lubricated by
the fuel as it passes through the system. Have you priced a set of injectors
or a fuel injection pump?

Anyway, good luck with getting this resolved.

Butch Davis-
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:26:52 -0400
From: John Wickerham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues

Hello, I'm new on the list.

I just bought an '86 F150 4x4 with a 302 EFI engine with about
156K miles (got it cheap). I'm going over it and deciding
what work needs to be done on it.

I'm not familiar with ford trucks, so I need some info. My
question is this:
I hear a rumbling - kind of sounds like marbles rumbling
around in the bottom of the engine. I didn't pick this up
when I checked it over before purchase. Is this the main
bearings making noise, and am I in for an imminent engine
failure?

What other serious problems am I likely to encounter on a
ford 302 (fuel injected) with this many miles?

Thanks in advance,
John Wickerham

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Whipkey
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas in diesel

I would pump out as much as I could, then put about 5-10 gallons of
diesel in and drive around to shake 'er up, then drain it again.


Dave

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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:42:42 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues

When do you hear the rumbling? Is the tranny an Auto? My 86 Bronco went into
sensory overload. ( O2, EGR, TPS. all bowing out after a hard trail run)
135K miles.

Bob


John Wickerham wrote:

> Hello, I'm new on the list.
>
> I just bought an '86 F150 4x4 with a 302 EFI engine with about
> 156K miles (got it cheap). I'm going over it and deciding
> what work needs to be done on it.
>
> I'm not familiar with ford trucks, so I need some info. My
> question is this:
> I hear a rumbling - kind of sounds like marbles rumbling
> around in the bottom of the engine. I didn't pick this up
> when I checked it over before purchase. Is this the main
> bearings making noise, and am I in for an imminent engine
> failure?
>
> What other serious problems am I likely to encounter on a
> ford 302 (fuel injected) with this many miles?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Wickerham
>
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:29:19 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Sounds nice, but you might consider a year or two newer truck: didn't
trucks get Mass Air in '95? I like my (speed density) '94, but if you
contemplate adding any serious performance enhancements (and, hey, who
doesn't?) you'll be VERY happy later if you get Mass Air now.
Might of been 95...but I know 96 did...also got roller motors too...Go
for a 96 if possible!
Chris
94 Lightning

Yes, my '95 5.0L 150SC has mass air. BTW, Chris, I agree with your
previous plug for the Lightning. I really wanted one, but wanted the SC
more. Now if I can find a wrecked Lightning for a donor drivetrain, I
can make my own Custom Lightning Supercab!... 8^0

Thats a great idea..there is a company that makes this conversion forget
the name of it though! Also have heard of people doing it with Bronco
too!
Lets us know if you do make the conversion
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:09:16 -0600
From: "Barnaby Duncan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F350 6.9L Diesel Fuel Pump, oh boy...

My first post to your list. I just aquired my baby a week ago, and had it in
the shop to get winterized, after a move from CA to ID. It is a great truck,
and my new pride and joy. Anyway, during the fixing (brakes, filters, lube,
etc.) they said my fuel pump is leaking. The leak is on the driver's side of
the engine, and bad enough to lower the mileage a little (1-2 mpg).

They want $800 for the job, to replace with new. Is this reasonable? How
hard would it be for me to do this myself?

I also need to get the interior redone. Any reccomendations for the SE
Idaho/SLC area?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Barnaby

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:54:13 -0400
From: "Hal Sylvan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list-digest V2 #368

I've got 192K (or maybe it is 292K, I can't remember) on my 91 F-350 7.3L.
Still purring along with plenty of power. Tows the boat and slide in
camper regularly. Have had no drivetrain problems (yet).

Hal
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:24:34 +0000
> From: "Steve and Lisa (Didier) Douglass"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Engines
>
> I'm interested in the durability of the 7.3L turbo-diesel. Anyone taken
> one past 100K miles ?
>
> SRD
>

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:33:21 -0700
From: kroger ucla.edu
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

Is there a best time to let my 88 F-150 4x4 warm up before taking
off? I live in So. Cal., and usually let the temp guage reach it's low mark
before going (just bought the truck, 80K). That's about 5 minutes.
People have told me that on my Honda motorcycle, letting it warm up
that long can glaze my cylinders. How long do you warm up your
truck in the morning?

Since I'm about to move to cold country (brrrr) I'm especially interested
in knowing optimum procedure.

Thanks
Jim


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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:46:45 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

kroger ucla.edu wrote:
>
> Is there a best time to let my 88 F-150 4x4 warm up before taking
> off? ......
>
Well, I live in cold country (ok, last winter it only got to -34C, but
it was a warm winter, thanks to El Nino).

The basic rule of thumb is: As soon as you can drive it without it
stalling or acting up, you've warmed it up enough. With FI engines, that
may be ten seconds. With carbs a bit more. THe engine warms up much more
quickly while driving than just idling, so warm it up, and never mind
spewing pollutants around doing no work.

Sure, goahead and start it, then scrape the windows, but that's about
all I ever do. Cars and trucks much prefer to be driven.

Doing it this way, I've put more than 200,000km on my non-Ford. The
body's finished (anybody got a K-Derivative cheap in Northern Ontario?)
but the engine's still willing and able.

- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:29:59 -0700
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

do you think the same rules apply to the diesel ?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andre Roy
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?


>kroger ucla.edu wrote:
>>
>> Is there a best time to let my 88 F-150 4x4 warm up before taking
>> off? ......
>>
>Well, I live in cold country (ok, last winter it only got to -34C, but
>it was a warm winter, thanks to El Nino).
>
>The basic rule of thumb is: As soon as you can drive it without it
>stalling or acting up, you've warmed it up enough. With FI engines, that
>may be ten seconds. With carbs a bit more. THe engine warms up much more
>quickly while driving than just idling, so warm it up, and never mind
>spewing pollutants around doing no work.
>
>Sure, goahead and start it, then scrape the windows, but that's about
>all I ever do. Cars and trucks much prefer to be driven.
>
>Doing it this way, I've put more than 200,000km on my non-Ford. The
>body's finished (anybody got a K-Derivative cheap in Northern Ontario?)
>but the engine's still willing and able.
>
>--
>Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 20:04:52 -0700
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Question

I have read several posts where people have said that having a too freely
flowing exhaust can reduce engine torque. I have thought about this statement
(with my limited understanding), but can't figure out why it would be the case.
Any chance, some list member could explain this in "layman terms"?
Thanks
Leo

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:39:27 -0500
From: Chad A Dietrich
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High mileage 302 engine issues

If it is after it warms up chances are its the power steering pump My 86
f150 4x4 does the same thing but only after its run for about 2-3 minutes

Chad
John Wickerham wrote:

> Hello, I'm new on the list.
>
> I just bought an '86 F150 4x4 with a 302 EFI engine with about
> 156K miles (got it cheap). I'm going over it and deciding
> what work needs to be done on it.
>
> I'm not familiar with ford trucks, so I need some info. My
> question is this:
> I hear a rumbling - kind of sounds like marbles rumbling
> around in the bottom of the engine. I didn't pick this up
> when I checked it over before purchase. Is this the main
> bearings making noise, and am I in for an imminent engine
> failure?
>
> What other serious problems am I likely to encounter on a
> ford 302 (fuel injected) with this many miles?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Wickerham
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:12:30 -0500
From: Mike McWhirter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I overwarming my truck?

Hi.
I have always subscribed to letting my 87 F250/6cyl. warm up completely
before driving. I have let it sit for 15 minutes or more in the winter
and will never drive away before the engine has at least slowed the
throttle on its own, about 90 seconds or so.

I do not believe a water cooled gas engine can have the same troubles an
air cooled engine can have. Letting a motorccyle sit, with no real
circulation around it or water in it to cool can make it run a little
hotter and may cause glazing.

I hope this helps a little

>Is there a best time to let my 88 F-150 4x4 warm up before taking
>off? I live in So. Cal., and usually let the temp guage reach it's low mark
>before going (just bought the truck, 80K). That's about 5 minutes.
>People have told me that on my Honda motorcycle, letting it warm up
>that long can glaze my cylinders. How long do you warm up your
>truck in the morning?
>
>Since I'm about to move to cold country (brrrr) I'm especially interested
>in knowing optimum procedure.
>
>Thanks
>Jim
>
>
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