80-96-list-digest Saturday, October 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 368



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: 90 surging
Re: FTE 80-96 - '87, carb problems, or?
FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96-Fuel/Ignition or Transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - Employment info needed
Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Employment info needed
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
RE: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96-Fuel/Ignition or Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - How do you check EECIV codes with a test light?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Voting
FTE 80-96 - Diesel Engines
FTE 80-96 - North Woods Limited Edition
Re: FTE 80-96 - How do you check EECIV codes with a test light?
FTE 80-96 - Gas in diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas in diesel

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:23:42 EDT
From: BGar02167 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 90 surging

Replacing ignition components will get you better fuel mileage.
Your truck runs and is controlled by sensors and selenoids.
The oxygen sens. in the exhaust can solve this.
Also the idle control can be cleaned.
Throttle position sens. can be involved.
These components can all be tested w/ a tester.
Brian G
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:49:11 -0400
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '87, carb problems, or?

Randy wrote:
>
> ok gang,
> My '87 F-250 w/the 351W is giving me problems. I left work tonite and
> it hesitated a little off the line, not unusual when the truck is cold
> and the weather is chilly, I just started and went. About 2 blocks
> later I could hardly get over 15 mph. .......
>
Here's a cheap teset. Next time it does that, try removing the gas cap.
If things shape up, it's because you were pulling a vacuum in the gas
tank. It means that the thing that vents the tank
through a charcoal cannister is plugged or the cannister itself is.

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:21:25 -0500
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96-Fuel/Ignition or Transmission problem

"I get up to about 35 mph and the engine starts to shake like
it is
completely out of balance. So I'm thinking that it is the Ignition.
because
if it was
running out of fuel it should just fall flat on its face. Does anyone know
what may cause this problem.
Also still trying to find some good wiring schematics and repair/service
manual
for same truck."

Brian, I hope I can help. My dad had a 86 F250, 460, C-6 also with the SAME
problem. Drove me crazy. Don't overlook the drive shaft! He finally took the
U joints apart and found 1 set of needle bearings destroyed. New U joints
solved the problem. Also could be tires out of balance..
Good luck, let us know what you eventually find
Steve
Let us know what you find

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:38:58 -0700
From: Jon Berman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Employment info needed

Hello,
I'm trying to get some info on employment information for myself. Any
idea what the starting salary or starting range of salary is for an
apprentice or entry-level mechanic (either in a dealership or
independent garage)?

I'm sure it depends on experience, unfortunately, I mostly have "at
home" work-on-own-truck experience. I'm trying to determine if I can
afford to live on this salary in order to get a foot into the auto
industry.

Thank you for any recommendations or advice,

Jon
1994 F-150
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:54:22 -0400
From: "Norm (Jack) Jacobs"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging

Rade.... It is EFI

Jack

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:16:37 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging

Is it carb or EFI?

Rade

From: Norm (Jack) Jacobs
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 6:52 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging


Truck surges (revs up then down, to almost stalling, then up again) at
different intervals when idling. On various occasions it idles and runs
fine.

At times hard starting other times not, doesnt seem to matter whether
cold start or warm start.

I have replaced plugs, wires, rotor, distributor cap and fuel filter.

Any ideas would be appreciated

Thanx

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:21:42 -0400
From: John Kanyan
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Employment info needed

Jon well I can tell you around here in Pa just north of pittsburgh you
would probably start between 6 and 8 bucks an hour depending on your skill.
Good luck ....John
At 08:38 AM 10/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm trying to get some info on employment information for myself. Any
>idea what the starting salary or starting range of salary is for an
>apprentice or entry-level mechanic (either in a dealership or
>independent garage)?
>
>I'm sure it depends on experience, unfortunately, I mostly have "at
>home" work-on-own-truck experience. I'm trying to determine if I can
>afford to live on this salary in order to get a foot into the auto
>industry.
>
>Thank you for any recommendations or advice,
>
>Jon
>1994 F-150
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>
John Kanyan

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:45:49 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

Two new votes have been added to the web site voting
center.

1. Split the 61-79 list into two lists to reduce
traffic.
2. Add pre48 list.

Voting expires in 14 days.

Here we grow again! If the new lists get approved, we
will ask for volunteers to administer them.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin,
Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:51:42 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

You said:
>I have some bad news. I totaled my 1988 F-150 about two weeks ago.

Trucks can be replaced. People cannot. I'm glad your Ford protected you
so well.

Then you said:
>So I have to have something to drive. I am going to purchase a 1994
>F-150 with ALL options.

Sounds nice, but you might consider a year or two newer truck: didn't
trucks get Mass Air in '95? I like my (speed density) '94, but if you
contemplate adding any serious performance enhancements (and, hey, who
doesn't?) you'll be VERY happy later if you get Mass Air now.

lordjanusz juno.com
"He who lives by the sword, dies by the clothyard shaft..."

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:13:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Michael Whities
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Ken Payne wrote:

> Two new votes have been added to the web site voting
> center.
>
> 1. Split the 61-79 list into two lists to reduce
> traffic.
> 2. Add pre48 list.
>
> Voting expires in 14 days.
>
> Here we grow again! If the new lists get approved, we
> will ask for volunteers to administer them.
>
> Ken Payne
> CoAdmin,
> Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
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I will volunteer to admin one of the lists.



Michael


Michael D. Whities
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:51:40 -0500
From: "Winters, Sean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Some guy near me (Dallas, TX area) had a *really* decked out 94 just like
the one you mention sans 4WD. Looked like a pimp truck to me; had the
running boards, really wide 60 series tires, etc.

It 60K on it and he wanted $15.5K. It sat for about a month before he sold
it.

I would say off hand that price is not too bad.

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From: Ezekial [mailto:derrick galstar.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 11:57 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.


I have some bad news. I totaled my 1988 F-150 about two weeks ago. The
good news is that it isn't my fault, the bad news is it was a Chevy that
did it. I got hit at 70mph in the back of it and they guy didn't even
slow down. Then I hit the Chevy truck in front of me warping its frame
and shoved the tailgate into the bed. So my truck is pretty bad now but
I am doing a LONG term rebuild.

So I have to have something to drive. I am going to purchase a 1994
F-150 with ALL options. Its black, ext. cab, short bed, 4x4, with a
351, heavy duty transmission, off road package including all suspension
packages, factory keyless entry with alarm, 12 disc Pioneer CD changer,
new BFG All-Terains. The price is $13,000. And is in super mint
condition. So if any one wants to comment on this feel free to do so by
private mail or in the list.
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 16:33:25 EDT
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:FTE 80-96-Fuel/Ignition or Transmission problem

steve,
thanks for the info. Will check it out.

brian
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:13:53 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Ezekial wrote:
>
> I have some bad news. I totaled my 1988 F-150 about two weeks ago. The
> good news is that it isn't my fault, the bad news is it was a Chevy that
> did it. I got hit at 70mph in the back of it and they guy didn't even
> slow down. Then I hit the Chevy truck in front of me warping its frame
> and shoved the tailgate into the bed. So my truck is pretty bad now but
> I am doing a LONG term rebuild.
>
> So I have to have something to drive. I am going to purchase a 1994
> F-150 with ALL options. Its black, ext. cab, short bed, 4x4, with a
> 351, heavy duty transmission, off road package including all suspension
> packages, factory keyless entry with alarm, 12 disc Pioneer CD changer,
> new BFG All-Terains. The price is $13,000. And is in super mint
> condition. So if any one wants to comment on this feel free to do so by
> private mail or in the list.

Sam Weatherby on the 61-79 list is selling a Lightning for I think 9,400
unless you want the 4 wheel drive. These trucks are a blast! I won't
ever get rid of mine!
Just a thought
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:39:02 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Paul M Radecki wrote:
>
> You said:
> >I have some bad news. I totaled my 1988 F-150 about two weeks ago.
>
> Trucks can be replaced. People cannot. I'm glad your Ford protected you
> so well.
>
> Then you said:
> >So I have to have something to drive. I am going to purchase a 1994
> >F-150 with ALL options.
>
> Sounds nice, but you might consider a year or two newer truck: didn't
> trucks get Mass Air in '95? I like my (speed density) '94, but if you
> contemplate adding any serious performance enhancements (and, hey, who
> doesn't?) you'll be VERY happy later if you get Mass Air now.
>
> lordjanusz juno.com
> "He who lives by the sword, dies by the clothyard shaft..."
>
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Might of been 95...but I know 96 did...also got roller motors too...Go
for a 96 if possible!
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:53:01 EDT
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F150 Surging

Did you try cleaning the idle relief valve? It is right across from the
EGR so it gets exhaust gas in it. It comes off pretty easy. Then pull it take
it apart and clean with carb cleaner. I know of a product that will keep it
clean after you reinstall it. Email me at skibarefut aol.com and I will tell
you about it.
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:12:22 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck. RE: Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Garr&Pam wrote:

> Paul M Radecki wrote:
> > Sounds nice, but you might consider a year or two newer truck: didn't
> > trucks get Mass Air in '95? I like my (speed density) '94, but if you
> > contemplate adding any serious performance enhancements (and, hey, who
> > doesn't?) you'll be VERY happy later if you get Mass Air now.
> >
> > lordjanusz juno.com

> Might of been 95...but I know 96 did...also got roller motors too...Go
> for a 96 if possible!
> Chris
> 94 Lightning

Yes, my '95 5.0L 150SC has mass air. BTW, Chris, I agree with your previous
plug for the Lightning. I really wanted one, but wanted the SC more. Now if I
can find a wrecked Lightning for a donor drivetrain, I can make my own Custom
Lightning Supercab!... 8^0

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Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:00:36 -0700
From: dhollingworth juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How do you check EECIV codes with a test light?

Does anyone know where I can get the instructions for how to check the
EEC IV with a test light and what the different codes that will flash
mean?



On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:00:39 -0700 Mark Ponsford
writes:
>> Hello,
>> I recently took my F150 to a mechanic who used a
>small pen
>>with a LED
>>light in the end of it to read the codes from the EEC IV. Does anyone
>here
>>know how to make one as his was only a home-made thing. I just need
>to know
>>what size LEDs, what size resistors, etc. Any help would be much
>>appreciated.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tony.
>
>
>Any LED in series with 1K ohm resistor should work.
>
> 12vdc ------|>|---\/\/\/\--------test pin on EEC connector
>
>or just watch the indicator lamp on you dash panel.
>
>mark ponsford
>
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 22:02:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Voting

Don't send your votes for the list split to either
the lists or to me. Go to the web site and use the
voting center.

Thanks,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:24:34 +0000
From: "Steve and Lisa (Didier) Douglass"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Engines

I'm interested in the durability of the 7.3L turbo-diesel. Anyone taken
one past 100K miles ?

SRD

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:44:07 -0400
From: "Fred Shunk"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - North Woods Limited Edition

Greetings

I just became the owner of #406 of 2500. This is a 1996 F-150 4X4 with
power everything, split bench seats, standard cab, long box with fiberglass
top etc.

I am curious about the north woods limited edition. Who or what inspired it
or any info anyone might have on it. Thanks.

Fred

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:41:14 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How do you check EECIV codes with a test light?

go to this site, and it will tell all.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.c-
edge.com/shotimes/SHO3eeccodes.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 23:47:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas in diesel

Can't believe I did it! but tonite I screwed up!! ... In between pizza
deliveries I was near my favorite diesel station, so stopped in. I thot
both pumps at the island were diesel, I stuck a nozzle in and started
pumping, ... opened up the back tank and then looked at the pump and
noticed it was GAS!!

I'm running off the rear tank only, got the tank switch taped, until I can
drain the front one, 5 gals got in.

Any tricks to make draining it easier? Or just stick a hose into it and pump
it out?

What would gas (1/3) do to a diesel engine? What would a diesel/gas blend do
to a gas engine?

TIA,
Zeb



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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 02:44:37 EDT
From: GLMPILOT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wrecked truck and getting new truck.

Too nice im looking for a crew cab 4x4or4x2 .....

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