80-96-list-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 364



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - arm rests on 1986 f-150 xlt
FTE 80-96 - Re: Wheel retainer tool
FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Tach
RE: FTE 80-96 - Bad Starter
Re: FTE 80-96 - arm rests on 1986 f-150 xlt
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco lift points, transmission removal
FTE 80-96 - =?ISO-8859-1?B?UkU6IEJhZCBTdGFydGVyDQpUaGFua3MNClJlbmU=?=
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bad Starter
FTE 80-96 - Oil leak
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80 Bronco Clutch
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco lift points, transmission removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil leak
FTE 80-96 - Mass-air/Speed Density conversion kit 92-96
FTE 80-96 - engine racing

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:32:40 -0500
From: "Rob Sartorius"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - arm rests on 1986 f-150 xlt

I just priced the little foam arm rest on my 1986 f-150 xlt ext cab and
FORD WANTS $97.00 EACH...doesa nyone know another source for these little
foam pads...

ROB SARTORIUS
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Date: 19 Oct 98 08:51:33 EDT
From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Wheel retainer tool

Thanks for the advice, but...
I got inspired and made a tool to take
the wheel retainer off. What's the use of
having a shop full of machine tools if you
can't use them to fix your own truck! :)
Anyways, it worked a treat, the Warn hubs
went on smoothly. Drove the truck home
and to work this morning - no clicks, pops,
or rattles! Yes! Highly recommended.
Chuck

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:32:55 EDT
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Diesel Tach

Recommend you post your query over on The Ford Diesel Website at
www.abol.com/user/jlester for the best advice. My 90 pickup has a standard
electronic tach. Do you not have a tach or are you seeking a second smaller
tach? If you want to install a tach you will probably want an electronic
type. Most are designed for use with the ignition system on gasoline engines.
For a diesel, you may need to install a magnetic amplifier and a pickup off
the crankshaft pulley. At least with an electronic tach you don't have to be
concerned with routing the drive cable. Routing a couple of small wires is
much easier.

Good luck, Butch Davis-
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:58:51 -0500
From: "Winters, Sean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Bad Starter

I had the similar sticking problem on my 82 and it digressed to the point
the truck would not start. Napa had the ignition lock set and switch as a
set for about $10. Worked great ever since. You have to drop the steering
column to gain (easy) access to the switch. Other than that not a big deal.
Think the whole thing took about 30 mins.

Sean

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From: zeb utalk.org [mailto:zeb utalk.org]
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 1998 11:21 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bad Starter


Buy your starter from Parts America, lifetime guarantee. I bought one for my
diesel last summer, $250. After the engine was rebuilt this summer, it
became hard starting again, acting like the old starter, so took it back, no
problem no questions, just apologies from the counter guy. (It turned out
being a bad batt tho. oh well new rebuilt starter now with the new
rebuilt engine)

But it sounds like it could be there are a few teeth missing on your
flywheel.

(I don't mean that as in 'you aren't playing with a full deck' )

Maybe a shot of wd40 into your ignition sw. ??

good luck,
zya

At 08:38 PM 10/18/98 -0700, 80-96-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>The starter on my 84 F150 300 I6 seems to be going for the second time.
>I just replaced it with a rebuilt starter last year. Now it spins out
>again like the bendix drive gear is shot. Right now if it doesn't catch
>after a few tries I can get it to engage by moving the flywheel ring
>gear by pushing on the truck while it is in gear. Anyone else find these
>particular starters problematic? A related problem I have noticed
>lately is that the ignition lock sticks and does not return from
>powering the starter smoothly and I can hear the starter still turning
>once the motor fires up until I fiddle with the key to get it stopped.
>Any advise about this problem would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Rene
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:29:53 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - arm rests on 1986 f-150 xlt

Rob Sartorius wrote:

> I just priced the little foam arm rest on my 1986 f-150 xlt ext cab and
> FORD WANTS $97.00 EACH...doesa nyone know another source for these little
> foam pads...

Rob,
You should be able to match up arm rests for '81 - '87 F-150's
from a junkyard. Also, '81 - '87 from Big Broncos should work as
well. It might be worth checking out if you can find a complete
door.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:43:55 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco lift points, transmission removal

Geoffrey Schrag wrote:

> Thanks Jeff, Casey, and Rick for the clutch R&R info. I still haven't
> had a go at trying to replace this yet. I'm still piecing together
> everything I need. I was wondering what locations(frame) & equip(size &
> height of jackstands?) you guys use for lifting and supporting Broncos for
> this kind of work. The Haynes manual doesn't say much and I don't have
> much experience with these trucks. I think I'm going to have to buy new
> jackstands to get the height and clearance I need to drop the transmission

Geof,
First of all, I would highly recommend renting one from
a local equipment place. Around here they charge $24.00/day.
I have 3 ton jackstands that I use. Here, you can see a picture
of the floorjack I bought myself last November for my birthday.
I have to say it works GREAT for the money with a lifetime
warrantee on it. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hyjacks.com/H22.HTM
Its the Orange one - Norco #71230. The total with shipping
was $185.00.

As far as lift points, with my 33" mudders and with the floor jack
I usually have to take up each side independently of the other
because there is no reall good spot to get a perfect c.g. so both
front wheels come up evenly in the front. As far as the rear, I
just put my floor jack under the diff and then put the jackstands
underneath at the same time just to the outside of the bottom
shock mounts.


I havn't heard of this jack mount you are referring too.


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:38:44 -0600
From: Jeff Fisher
Subject: FTE 80-96 - =?ISO-8859-1?B?UkU6IEJhZCBTdGFydGVyDQpUaGFua3MNClJlbmU=?=

Rene:

Rebuilt starters just don't last well in my experience...

On the ingnition swith I had to replace the whole switch on my 84
F-250 a year or so ago, it locked up and would not allow me to shut
the engine off. There is a little plastic piece inside this switch
that goes bad and will hose up the works.

If I were you I would just go buy a new starter switch (the part the
key fits in) now before it
gets worse. These can be bought from most any parts store for a
reasonable price and are very easy to swap out.

Jeff

>The starter on my 84 F150 300 I6 seems to be going for the second time.
>I just replaced it with a rebuilt starter last year. Now it spins out
>again like the bendix drive gear is shot. Right now if it doesn't catch
>after a few tries I can get it to engage by moving the flywheel ring
>gear by pushing on the truck while it is in gear. Anyone else find these
>particular starters problematic? A related problem I have noticed
>lately is that the ignition lock sticks and does not return from
>powering the starter smoothly and I can hear the starter still turning
>once the motor fires up until I fiddle with the key to get it stopped.
>Any advise about this problem would be greatly appreciated.

>Thanks
>Rene


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:52:21 EDT
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bad Starter

Sounds like the fly wheel teeth are stripped or the starter gear. Take out
the starter and look at the gears. You can turn the flywheel by putting a
socket on the crankshaft pulley. I would suspect that your ignition switch is
bad. Sounds like it is sticking. I would change the switch too and not risk
another starter.

Craig
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:04:40 EDT
From: Skibarefut aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil leak

I have a 90 f 150 with a 302. I have owned the truck since it was new. The
back of the oil pan is always wet with oil. I have changed the oil pan gasket
twice the rear, main seal twice and sealed the flywheel bolts. Has anyone
else had this problem? What was done to fix it?

Thanks,
Craig
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:09:22 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80 Bronco Clutch

I borroewed some jackstands that were about 18 inches at no extension.
I only had two so I couldn't go to high becasue I didn;t have very many
cinder blocks for the rear end. This job can be done w/o lifting the
truck at all (I figured this out over the last two weeks on a friends 82
F-250) With my truck up about 18 inches, there is plenty of room for
removing the tranny and t-case, but if I had about 6 inches higher, the
headroom would have been great (so I could sit up and work). As far as
taking out the tranny and t-case, take them out as one big unit. I
borrowed a tranny jack and built a 2x4 pad to balance it on and then
dropped it out. A floor jack will work so long as you can safely bolt
or attach a pad for the tranny and t-case. (keep it balanced and go
slow..) Most have the little 1/4 inch holes so you can bolt stuff to
em.

When you get to taking the bellhousing off, I found you have to let it
know whos boss. THere are little pins between the bellhousing and block
and they like to become stuck.

Casey

>>>>>and get it out safely. I probably oughta invest in new equip
anyway.
Also, I think there's a company that sells a special mount for lowering
a
transmission out w/a floor jack? Not sure if this exists or if its safe
&
works OK?

Thanks again for all the help,

Geof


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:17:26 -0400
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bronco lift points, transmission removal

Geoff,

There are transmission jack adaptors that mount on floor jacks, but I
rented a regular transmission jack from the local Taylor Rental.

With mine, which is a 5-speed, I found that I didn't need to remove the
transmission (despite all of the manuals, including Ford's). I was able
to slide the transmission/transfer case back (as a unit) far enough to
gain access to the clutch. It makes things a little easier, saves some
time, and you don't need as much height. It may not work with yours,
though.

Good luck,
Steve
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:19:16 -0400
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil leak

In my case ('91 302) the oil pan was rotted out.

Steve

Skibarefut aol.com wrote:
>
> I have a 90 f 150 with a 302. I have owned the truck since it was new. The
> back of the oil pan is always wet with oil. I have changed the oil pan gasket
> twice the rear, main seal twice and sealed the flywheel bolts. Has anyone
> else had this problem? What was done to fix it?
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:26:12 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Mass-air/Speed Density conversion kit 92-96

I would like to ask all of you if you know of anyone that sells a speed
>density to massair conversion kit for the 94 model 5.0Lw/AODE trans. I have
>checked with SVO and the only ones they have are for the manual trans. and
for
>the AOD or E40D. I am trying to make my 94 Flareside just a little bit
quicker
>and also so I can do more upgrades later on down the road. Or if any of you
>know of a technician or company that is a wizard with the stock speed density
>system, please Email me at FLR150 aol.com.
>
>Thanks
>Wayne Foy
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 02:50:27 -0400
From: "Ben Hannon"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - engine racing

I just swapped a 302 from an '80 Bronco into an '81 F150 4x4. Everything
bolted right up except now I am having a problem with the engine revving
super-high when I push the clutch in. I adjusted the carb to 2 1/4 turns....


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