80-96-list-digest Saturday, October 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 361



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In this issue:

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Re: FTE 80-96 - smog pump
FTE 80-96 - Re: T-shirt contest
Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove the spindle?
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Deal ??
FTE 80-96 - Re: smog pump
Re: FTE 80-96 - smog pump
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: smog pump
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Trim those signatures
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?
FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Off-road list vote
FTE 80-96 - gas gauge problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:21:34 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: [none]

I have a 90 ford F-150 that I just replaced the Ball Joints in and one of
the spindles (drivers side) wouldn't come off easy. I ended up taking the 8
(or however many yours has) bolts out obviously. Then I took a 2x4x6 piece
of would and beating one side of he spindle then the other and the other and
the other and the other while spraying the metal to metal joint of the
spindle with NEW liquid wrench. It eventually pops off. Don't hit it with
metal. Don't bend or deform it. Expensive to replace.

Scott Golly
Researcher
Battelle

Your message:
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:32:29 -0500
From: "Chad A. Dietrich"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to remove the spindle?

I am trying to replace the driveshaft bearings on my 86 f150 4x4. I have
everything off and all the nuts off that I see holding the spindle. how
do I remove it from here? I've tried putting a pice of wood on it and
tapping it. I've tried soking it for awhile. I've even tried prying it
but I cant budge it enough to get it off. Has any one else had this
happen or am I missing a bolt or retaining ring?

Thank you
Chad

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:37:55 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - smog pump

Adam Hafner wrote:

> hello, I have removed the smog pump on my 1980 F150 with a 302 V8
> 4-speed manual while I was putting a propane conversion kit on it and I
> was wondering if it is illegal to leave the pump off. This is because
> although propane is cheap when I use it it takes all of the guts out of

Adam, I removed mine too. You can leave it off as long as you
don't have emmissions in your state. Plus with it off it will save
a little gas money, not much but a little.



> please respond please. Also, would this pump be neccesary to have on,
> or would it be better with it off?
> Thanx
>
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:29:00 -0500
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: T-shirt contest

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
several people cheating.

Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
this.

I knew there was a potential for cheating because I use IPs instead
of cookies to track who voted. All most users have to do is hang
up, dial in and they have another IP. However, its quite obvious
whats going on when we have several users on the list with an uncommon
host address and their host address shows up many times in the IP log.

Once I have a solution to prevent dishonesty, I'll let everyone know.

Ken,
Admin
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Ken,

I'm sorry to hear of the results of the on-line T-shirt contest. This is
only going to delay the time for which we can purchase a shirt with the
winning design. I hope you find a quick solution.

I appreciate the efforts of the individuals involved in creating the
designs.
Unfortunately, they will have to be patient in waiting for the best
solution
(I just hope none of them took part in the dishonesty).

FYI...I get the great pleasure of touring a local Ford plant tonight. It's
their 50th anniversary and a friend of mine is a Foreman on one of the
lines.
Employees get to invite friends and family for a tour from start to finish.

They make Explorers exclusively at this particular plant. Needless to say,
I'm pretty excited to see this. Oh yeah, Allan Jackson is going to be there
for about an hour performance. This should be icing on the cake!

Later,
Craig
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:46:35 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove the spindle?

Chad A. Dietrich wrote:

> I am trying to replace the driveshaft bearings on my 86 f150 4x4. I have
> everything off and all the nuts off that I see holding the spindle. how
> do I remove it from here? I've tried putting a pice of wood on it and
> tapping it. I've tried soking it for awhile. I've even tried prying it
> but I cant budge it enough to get it off. Has any one else had this
> happen or am I missing a bolt or retaining ring?

Chad, You are doing fine. Yes they can be quite a PITA if they have
not been off for a long time. Just a couple suggestions.
If you have a rubber mallet use that to beat around the circumference
of the spindle. The other thing you can do is use a piece of 2x4 or
what ever size wood you have and beat that on the circumference
with a regular hammer. After you beat on it for a while then try
and work it off a little, then go have a beer. :-) After that its
just a little time consuming but it will come off, just need a
little patience with it.


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:49:49 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

Ken Payne wrote:

> The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
> several people cheating.
>
> Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
> even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
> since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
> this.

Ken,
I can not believe what you are saying here. I thought we had
responsible list members. :-( I guess you get a few in every crowd.


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:52:52 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Good Deal ??

hey mike ,
look it up in the kelly blue book.it will tell you trade-in value, or dealer
retail value. your asking price should be some where in between. just search
for kelly blue book.
good luck. joe
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:15:14 -0500
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: smog pump

Check with local vehicle inspection authorities to see if it's legal to
disconnect the smog pump. I would think the CAT might become restricted
with exhaust byproducts going in and no air to burn it off. Also, if you
ever need to reconnect the pump for some reason you will probably find it
locked up from disuse and have to replace it. I'd leave it in.
David Anderson
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:26:20 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - smog pump

Adam,

When I bought my '84 Bronco, back in the day, the air conditioning
compressor was shot and the guy who owned it before me just removed the belt
instead of fixing it. This consequently stopped the smog pump from
functioning, but it never gave me any problems. What's more, it always
passed inspection here in New Jersey, and they check emissions.
I'd say you're ok without it.

- -Mike

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From: Adam Hafner
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:33 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - smog pump


hello, I have removed the smog pump on my 1980 F150 with a 302 V8
4-speed manual while I was putting a propane conversion kit on it and I
was wondering if it is illegal to leave the pump off. This is because
although propane is cheap when I use it it takes all of the guts out of
it. I almost have to start it out in first gear so it doesn't cut out
on me with the smog pump and the A/C pump connected.
please respond please. Also, would this pump be neccesary to have on,
or would it be better with it off?
Thanx



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:13:01 EDT
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: smog pump

In a message dated 10/16/98 7:16:32 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
EUSDRAN am1.ericsson.se writes:

>
> Check with local vehicle inspection authorities to see if it's legal to
> disconnect the smog pump. I would think the CAT might become restricted
> with exhaust byproducts going in and no air to burn it off. Also, if you
> ever need to reconnect the pump for some reason you will probably find it
> locked up from disuse and have to replace it. I'd leave it in.
>
Seems to me that the exaust byproducts of propane are not a problem that the
converter would be affected by. Someone out there know the particulars of
running propane through a newer engine and what the emissions requirements are
for propane. I think there are hardly any emissions from propane.
D Baken
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Trim those signatures

I've received several complaints about long signatures
at the end of some postings. Please try to keep your
signatures to a reasonably small size. Signature sizes
are getting out of hand. Our list archives are quite
large and our virtual server size is limited.

Along these lines, as my wife is found of saying...
"when you come to our house, we'd prefer it if you left
your pedigree at home."

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:28:56 -0400
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

I can't believe that Ford Fanatics that display stickers of Calvin
peeing on a bowtie would ACTUALLY cheat on the t-shirt voting ;

I too am anxious to get a t-shirt ( I didn't vote so don't blame me!)
I would like to buy a product that supports the site. I don't need an
extra e-mail address or a window sticker, but I WILL buy several t-shirts.
I ordered a magazine subscription from Ken's website, so I hope some
of that money will go towards the admin. costs, too.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:56:44 +0000
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?

On 80-86 models, what went in the middle of the gauge pod. My truck has
nothing at the moment and was curious what could have been there.

Steve Randa

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:01:25 +0000
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors

I couldn't remember if I posted this question previously, so if I did I
appologize. I was wanting to know if anyone has replaced their side view
mirrors with the later versions like on 92-96s. I've seen it done in the
rags but I wondered if it was a bolt on or took a bit of fab work.

Steve Randa

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:41:04 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?

Steve,

My '84 Bronco XLT had a tach there.

- -Mike

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Randa
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 5:06 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?


On 80-86 models, what went in the middle of the gauge pod. My truck has
nothing at the moment and was curious what could have been there.

Steve Randa

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:57:31 -0400
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tach or clock?

I have an '85 and was staring at the blank spot on my instrument cluster
last night.
If a clock went there I was wondering if you can get the works and stick it
in the
empty spot?

Mike
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:12:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Off-road list vote

Check out the voting center on the web site. There's a
new vote in place as to whether you'd like to see FTE
start a off-road/4x4 list.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:23:19 -0400
From: henry patino
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas gauge problems

Fellow FTE

I have a '93 Ranger 4X2 (3.0) with approx. 77,800 mi. The fuel gauge on the truck stopped working about a year or so ago. The gauge likes to 'dance' as I call it. It moves crazily from F to E whenever it feels like it. The rest of the time it just stays on 'E'. Needless to say, I go by the mileage during fill-ups to determine how much gas is
left. I'm hoping someone out there has expierienced this dilemma and could give me some advice on resolving it. I think its the fuel sending unit (a one piece unit which contains the fuel pump) but not exactly sure. Don't want to go through the hassle of dropping the tank and then finding out that wasn't the problem.

thanks
henry



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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:21:05 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors

I did this to my 87 f-350 Dually it was not a bolt on on this truck . first
off there is a support bracket on the mirror that goes through the outside
door skin and bolts to the inside of the door through a 1"x1" hole in the door....


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