80-96-list-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 360



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 EFI F-150 Starting Problem HELP !
Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking of hubs...
FTE 80-96 - 93 Ford XLT 302 5.0
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Diff questions/info
RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0
FTE 80-96 - RE: 351w miss fixed
Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0
Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0
FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors
FTE 80-96 - Texaco Premium Diesel
FTE 80-96 - How to remove the spindle?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Texaco Premium Diesel
FTE 80-96 - smog pump
Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 EFI F-150 Starting Problem HELP !
FTE 80-96 - Re: Glow plug controllers

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:01:57 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 EFI F-150 Starting Problem HELP !

Albin wrote:

> imediately.. It then acts and smells of too much gas. This seems to
> "fowl-out" the plugs and now I have to press the accellerator in often
> different combinations to get the thing to finally kick over. When it
> does finally start, heavy gas odor and blue smoke are emitted. This
> starting problem occurs whether cold or warm, but often after sitting
> a day or two, it will start up proper . Anytime it does run, it is
> strong, no flat spots, no misses.

Albin,
I might suggest the stator in the distributor.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:36:52 -0500
From: "Ferino, Chris"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Locking of hubs...

> I engage the 4wd, go straight for about 1 revolution of the tires to lock
> the hubs and disengage the 4wd from the dash. The hubs remain locked
until
> I back up and unlock them (you can hear the click). This would be no
> different than locking the hubs manually, just more work.

After I sent that message, I was wondering if this exact procedure would
work as you outlined, or if the entire front driveline stays engaged even
after
you disengage from the dash until you drive the obligatory 10ft in reverse
to free up the hubs. Thanks for the insight, Dave - I'll follow this
procedure unless someone else comes up with something better.

And thanks to everyone else for the ideas.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:51:09 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 93 Ford XLT 302 5.0

What is causing the door bell to continue is what is called the key in sense
circuit. It is located in your ignition cylinder in the steering column.
You have to wire to this circuit when you install a remote start auto alarm.
The way to fix it is to put the key in the ignition, turn the key to
run(don't start it), depress the cylinder removal pin in the whole in the
steering column directly under the ignition cylinder, and pull the ignition
cylinder out. There should be a contact on the side of the cylinder and a
plastic clip with one wire attached to it. At this point you will have to
trouble shoot what the problem is by visually inspecting it. I have seen
the plastic clip break on that single wire connector and the plastic clip
will slide against the metal conductor on the side of the ignition cylinder
causing the bell to ring occasionally or even all the time like in your
case. The reason it stops when you close the door is because it thinks your
in the truck and going for a ride which is the time when it is good to have
a key in the cylinder. All that circuit does is remind you that the key is
in the ignition cylinder.

Hope this helps, (I don't always word things for other people to understand
so e-mail me direct if this doesn't make sense)
Scott M. Golly
Researcher/FPE
Battelle
gollys battelle.org


Your message:

Whenever I get out of my truck the warning "beep", for leaving your lights
on or a key in the ignition, stays on constantly. I can have everything
turned off and it will continue to "beep". Its good, because, it makes me
check to make sure everything is /off, but I'm scared, that one day, I'm
going to leave something on, like my lights, and being used to the "beep",
I'm going to leave them on and come back to a "dead" truck battery.
Could it be something in the light switch or something? When I close the
door, it turns off, but as soon as I open it back up, it starts "beeping"
again.
Anyone with any suggestion, fixes, or same problem?
Thanks in advance,
Michael

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 03:20:00 -0500
From: nuke
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Diff questions/info

Okay I'll jump back in being I'm back in town and never really got an
answer to my Synthetic oil in my Posi-trac Diff. My Ford book calls for
85w-140 oil. I want to run synthetic. Can I get away with running
Valvoline's Synthetic 75W-90 in my 83F150 4X4 which will do some occasional
short towing? I found some synthetic 85w-140 at NAPA but it was $32 a gal.

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> From: bikerdan
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear Diff questions/info
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 7:55 PM
>
> > So, whats the deal, can we SAFELY use a synthetic lube
> >
> > Jorge E. Ramirez
>
>
> yes synthetics work good
> I use Amsoil
> wanna' buy some?
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:02:00 -0500
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0

Andy, I put a flowmaster on my 94 5.0 F150 and ended up taking it off
two months later because the resonation inside the cab was unbearable.
I replaced it with two inline smaller glasspacks that made it louder
then stock
and you can still hear the radio.

Darrin
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:44:07 -0700
From: uziboy uclink4.berkeley.edu
Subject: FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0

hey everyone, i'm getting a new muffler put in and i need some advice.
do
you guys have any suggestions? i'm looking for one that is a bit louder
than stock (i want to hear it over the engine rev), but not annoying
loud.
dynomax? flowmaster? those are two that i keep hearing mentioned. thanks
for you help.

andy
89 5.0 bronco
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:26:14 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 351w miss fixed

turns out the ported temperature control vacuum switch that sits on top of
the thermostat was bad. it was not letting a vacuum signal get to the
exhaust diverter valves. these valves heat the underside of the carb. for
better combustion. all this time i thought it was carburetation. it would
run great when warm but not cold. and my driving habits arent the best. i
drive slow and not very far, so sooty carbon would build up on the plugs,
only fouling out when its cold outside. i gotta remember i have a big
engine and always get it hot enough to burn off the carbon.
onward to the next problem,
mike p.
pmbaker your-net.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:58:03 +0000
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0

Where those 2 or 3 chamber Flowmasters? I just installed a complete
Bassanni kit (headers to tailpipe) on my 302 and love it. Their mufflers
remind me a little of the Borlas. They're constructed of stainless steel
so they should be the last muffler I'll ever buy.

Steve Randa
'84 F150


Gourde, Darrin wrote:

> Andy, I put a flowmaster on my 94 5.0 F150 and ended up taking it off
> two months later because the resonation inside the cab was unbearable.
>
> I replaced it with two inline smaller glasspacks that made it louder
> then stock
> and you can still hear the radio.
>
> Darrin
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:44:07 -0700
> From: uziboy uclink4.berkeley.edu
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0
>
> hey everyone, i'm getting a new muffler put in and i need some advice.
>
> do
> you guys have any suggestions? i'm looking for one that is a bit
> louder
> than stock (i want to hear it over the engine rev), but not annoying
> loud.
> dynomax? flowmaster? those are two that i keep hearing mentioned.
> thanks
> for you help.
>
> andy
> 89 5.0 bronco
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:48:02 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0

Steve Randa wrote:

> Where those 2 or 3 chamber Flowmasters? I just installed a complete
> Bassanni kit (headers to tailpipe) on my 302 and love it. Their mufflers
> remind me a little of the Borlas. They're constructed of stainless steel
> so they should be the last muffler I'll ever buy.
>
> Steve Randa
> '84 F150

Steve, is this one of their X pipes? I've heard good things about these for
Mustangs, but didn't know that they made one for trucks. Is this with or
without catalyst(s)? Where did you get yours?

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Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
several people cheating.

Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
this.

I knew there was a potential for cheating because I use IPs instead
of cookies to track who voted. All most users have to do is hang
up, dial in and they have another IP. However, its quite obvious
whats going on when we have several users on the list with an uncommon
host address and their host address shows up many times in the IP log.

Once I have a solution to prevent dishonesty, I'll let everyone know.

Ken,
Admin


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:52:52 +0000
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: RE :FTE 80-96 - muffler on 5.0

No, it's not an X-pipe. It follows the OEM routing and utilizes all the
existing hangers. You do have an option of the exhaust exiting either
before the rear wheel like the newer trucks or behind like stock. They
make them w/cats but I purhcased the off-road pipe which is without. I
got mine through Tommy Vaughn from Houston.

Steve


David J. Baldwin wrote:

> Steve Randa wrote:
>
> > Where those 2 or 3 chamber Flowmasters? I just installed a complete
> > Bassanni kit (headers to tailpipe) on my 302 and love it. Their
> mufflers
> > remind me a little of the Borlas. They're constructed of stainless
> steel
> > so they should be the last muffler I'll ever buy.
> >
> > Steve Randa
> > '84 F150
>
> Steve, is this one of their X pipes? I've heard good things about
> these for
> Mustangs, but didn't know that they made one for trucks. Is this with
> or
> without catalyst(s)? Where did you get yours?
>
> --
> Dave Baldwin
> Dallas, TX
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>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:58:35 +0000
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Side view mirrors

Has anyone tried putting the '92 and later side view mirrors on their
'86 and earlier. I've heard of guys saying it's just a direct bolt on
but I think the bolt pattern is wider on those newer style mirrors.

Steve

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:11:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Texaco Premium Diesel

Hi All,

Gotta tell ya about this brand of diesel. Stopped in at a station never knew
of that had diesel while delivering pizzas. I was on the slope side of the
pump and dang thing was always shutting right off, as if it was full, but I
was empty. Gave up after only getting a couple gallons in, had more pizzas
to get to.

On the next delivery, WOW, more power and smoother! It was as big a jump in
power as when I put the K&N filter in. Right back to that station to fill up
on the flat side of the pump as I was told when I paid for the first visit.

It starts easier, but still need to check the glow plugs. When cold before
this fuel, the engine sounded terrible above 2000 RPM until it got to
operating temp. I thought it was the cold metal making the noise, but that
is gone now.

I got 12.24 miles/gal on a 1000 mile trip this summer, while delivering
pizzas, and I get on the pedal, I get 13.13 MPG now.

Highly recommend it.

zya
Zeb

88 F-250 SC 4WD rebuilt 7.3


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:32:29 -0500
From: "Chad A. Dietrich"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to remove the spindle?

I am trying to replace the driveshaft bearings on my 86 f150 4x4. I have
everything off and all the nuts off that I see holding the spindle. how
do I remove it from here? I've tried putting a pice of wood on it and
tapping it. I've tried soking it for awhile. I've even tried prying it
but I cant budge it enough to get it off. Has any one else had this
happen or am I missing a bolt or retaining ring?

Thank you
Chad

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:14:22 -0700
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Texaco Premium Diesel

what is the model number of thr k&n filter you speak of
thanks evan
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From: Lamar Zabielski
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:16 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Texaco Premium Diesel


>Hi All,
>
>Gotta tell ya about this brand of diesel. Stopped in at a station never
knew
>of that had diesel while delivering pizzas. I was on the slope side of the
>pump and dang thing was always shutting right off, as if it was full, but I
>was empty. Gave up after only getting a couple gallons in, had more pizzas
>to get to.
>
>On the next delivery, WOW, more power and smoother! It was as big a jump in
>power as when I put the K&N filter in. Right back to that station to fill
up
>on the flat side of the pump as I was told when I paid for the first visit.
>
>It starts easier, but still need to check the glow plugs. When cold before
>this fuel, the engine sounded terrible above 2000 RPM until it got to
>operating temp. I thought it was the cold metal making the noise, but that
>is gone now.
>
>I got 12.24 miles/gal on a 1000 mile trip this summer, while delivering
>pizzas, and I get on the pedal, I get 13.13 MPG now.
>
>Highly recommend it.
>
>zya
>Zeb
>
>88 F-250 SC 4WD rebuilt 7.3
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:27:03 PDT
From: "Adam Hafner"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - smog pump

hello, I have removed the smog pump on my 1980 F150 with a 302 V8
4-speed manual while I was putting a propane conversion kit on it and I
was wondering if it is illegal to leave the pump off. This is because
although propane is cheap when I use it it takes all of the guts out of
it. I almost have to start it out in first gear so it doesn't cut out
on me with the smog pump and the A/C pump connected.
please respond please. Also, would this pump be neccesary to have on,
or would it be better with it off?
Thanx



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:07:59 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 EFI F-150 Starting Problem HELP !

If it runs up fine it sounds like the fuel pressure regulator. The
pressure should be around 35 pounds at the rail. It might be worthwhile to
wait a day or two, turn the switch on and take a reading.

Bob


Albin wrote:

> I have a problem that has baffled many for literally years. I
> have a 1985 (6th mon) F-150 w/ 302 EFI Engine 2WD (Auto) 83k
> mls. The problem first began after being warm and attempting to
> restart. When it does start, it starts proper. No gas applied, it
> idles high until warm and reduces idle properly. Cold Idle only works
> sometimes I can start it and it will turn over then die
> imediately.. It then acts and smells of too much gas. This seems to
> "fowl-out" the plugs and now I have to press the accellerator in often
> different combinations to get the thing to finally kick over. When it
> does finally start, heavy gas odor and blue smoke are emitted. This
> starting problem occurs whether cold or warm, but often after sitting
> a day or two, it will start up proper . Anytime it does run, it is
> strong, no flat spots, no misses.
> It does have 2 fuel pressure regulators, one on each rail. If at
> least one were bad, could this be the cause of the problem ? Could
> "leaky" injectors be the cause of the problem? I have no muffler,
> could this be the cause of the problem? Is there any part(s) between
> ignition switch and the coil (ie. balance resistor) ?
>
> Work Performed thus far:
>
> Fuel pressure checked and injectors cleaned by my mechanic
> (non-dealer).
>
> New Parts:
> Thermistat
> Spark Plugs (8)
> Plug Wires & Coil Wire
> Distributor Cap
> Rotor Button
> Coolent Temp Sensor
>
> Parts Exchanged during trouble-shooting:
> Air Charged Sensor
> Computer Processor
> Ignitian Coil
> A couple wires under stearing column going to ignitian
> switch.were worn, repaired.
> Map Sensor
> Idle Air Control Motor
> Tad Sensor (part of emmisions)
> Cleaned the O2 Sensor ?
>
> ANY help or suggestions are MOST appricated, I am desparate..
> Thank you.
> Albin:
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:34:57 EDT
From: BGar02167 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Glow plug controllers

In a message dated 10/15/98 4:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
owner-80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


and
when I tested it, it doesn't appear to work like the Haynes manual said it
....


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