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80-96-list-digest Friday, October 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 351



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Gas Prices
Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake Line clip
FTE 80-96 - High octane causes carbon buildup?
FTE 80-96 - Engine displacement
FTE 80-96 - Need Some Assistance
RE: FTE 80-96 - 84 4WD Clutch Woes
FTE 80-96 - ignition system blues
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fwd: halloween
FTE 80-96 - AODE Transmission
FTE 80-96 - Truck Manual
FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger
Re: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger
Re: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger

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Date: 8 Oct 98 07:40:03 EDT
From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Prices

>OK, guys, sit down and hold on to something!
>Gas is here approx. USD 4,5 a gallon, diesel around 4,3 $/gallon

>And no; we don't have a whole lot of gas-powered V8s here, but some
>diesels. A new Suburban 6,5 TD, Grand Cherokee V8 or loaded E-350 TD all
>run about USD 90.000,- A peculiar fee structure rates the E-350 and
>Suburban 2500 as professionals' trucks with lower fees, the state budget
>for next year proposes to annul the fees on 7000#-plus vehicles
>altogether. (Sales tax of 23% still apply, though).

>Food for thought?
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>Bjornar Huse
>Aalesund, Norway

THAT'S why I'm not moving to the Old Country!
(Dad & family are from Vanvikan, Norway area)
Uncle Arnold, who still lives there drives a big Dodge
Diesel, you could go broke driving it to work.
If I remember right, there's a 30 year exemption on the
import duty - we sold a container load of '57 Ch*vy, '58
Cadillac, '58 Thunderbird, '57 Studebaker, '40 Pontiac to
friends in Norway back in the late 80's.
Gas in Georgia today is .89/gallon for 87 octane, up about .06
from a couple of weeks ago.

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:48:32 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake Line clip

Andre Roy wrote:

> John Fletcher wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I am working on my dads '86 F-150 4X2 302 C-6. anyway how do you
> > get those brake line clips that hold on the rubber lines up front off?
> > the clips are reversed so that they are up against the frame rail. I
> > need to know soon so I can get the truck inside!


John,
If you ask me, there is no easy way. They are just a PITA all the
way around. :-(

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:47:54 -0500
From: "Gary W Beyer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - High octane causes carbon buildup?

Well assuming he had enough compression ratio to warrant the 104 octane, I
would guess that he was running excessively rich, and not blame the gas.

Gary


Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:51:01 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Octane rating for '84 F-150

Something about it not igniting as quickly or thoroughly, and leaving
deposits. I've been told that the higher octane builds carbon quicker. I
have seen a set of 350 heads, that the guy ran with racing 104 octane fuel
on a stock engine, and they were carboned up pretty bad after 40K, so I
never questioned the reason I was told.



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:16:50 -0500
From: "Gary W Beyer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine displacement

Actually the Ford 302 has a bore of 4 inches and a stroke of 3 inches,
yielding a displacement of 301.5928947 cubic inches. That comes out to
4.943107545 Liters. This is all pretty silly, considering what difference
you feel in the seat of the pants between a 302 and a 305 has very little
to do with the difference in displacement.

I can see it now:

INTROCUCING THE NEW 4.943107545 LITER MUSTANG GT!

I wonder if they could find a spot on the fender large enough to fit the
chrome emblem?

Gary


Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:12:46 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 302 or 305

The Ford motor is commonly refereed to as the 302, The GM motor is commonly
refereed to as the 305.
Likewise with the Ford 351 and the GM 350.

GM does not often use liters when referring to their motors. If it is
called
a 5.8 liter that is usually a clue it is not a GM engine.

To convert liters to cu in multiply liters by 61.02. but that is not the
way
the car manufacturers converted it.

The problem is that the US uses the inch system and they have converted
from
cubic inches to liters. Then they commonly round off the liters to a nice
round number like 5.0. To convert cubic inches to liters you multiply cubic
inches by .01639. So actually a 302 is 4.949 liters. So to match ratings
with the foreign car market they expressed the engine sizes in liters and
rounded the number off to 5.0.

The GM 305 is closer to 5 liters than the Ford motor. The trap people fall
into that confuses them is they try to convert liters to cubic inches and
they get 305 cubic inches for a ford 5.0 liter motor when they convert it
back the wrong way not taking into account it was converted the opposite
direction, from cubic inches to liters.

Example: 302 cu in x .01639 = 4.949 L (Ford)
305 cu in x .01639 = 4.998 L (GM)

Scott


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:15:48 -0400
From: "E.J."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Need Some Assistance

Greetings all fellow automotive enthusiasts.
I'm one of those generally quiet "side-line-digest-observers", that
lurks about here.

I need to expand my "automotive field of vision", close to 1100 miles
!!!!.

Meaning, i'd like to know if anyone on the list is, and or knows someone
close to Oconto Falls
Wisconsin.

I'm going to be pricing flights into and out of Green Bay(Oconto Falls
is supposed to be approx.
30 miles north of Green Bay).
I'd like to avoid the expense of flying out there, if at all possible,
considering this car does
not run and will have to be transported back to New Jersey. I'm
"guestimating" this will cost
close to a $1000, above and beyond whatever i actually end up paying for
it.

So, i guess i'm wondering if someone could check this car out, as a
favor, and or even someone i
can pay within reason to do so, whether it be on a private and or
professional/business level.

I'm in the Trenton, New Jersey area(close to Phila and NYC) and would be
more than happy to return
a similar favor to someone in the future.

I'm not looking to make this a major inconvenience for someone, so if
your not relatively
close to Oconto Falls, i would'nt want to bother you.

Also, any info and or recomendations on a transporter ? Cheap is always
good for the wallet,
but at the same time, i don't want someonewho's gonna leave there with a
"# 3" kind of car,
and show up at my door with a now "# 5" car, and deny damaging anything
if you know what i mean.

Please e-mail me privately if you can help, with the exception of the
transporter info and
recomendations. The transporter stuff is probably something everyone can
benefit from.


Thanks To All In Advance
"EJ".








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"EJ"
Hamilton Township(suburb of Trenton)
New Jersey
On digest, not regular
mail


1979 Pontiac Trans Am T-tops(403 organ donor for the Calais)
For Sale. Info at www.1pontiac.com - Bulletin Boards - Cars For
Sale/Wanted - 79 T/A For Sale - E.J. posted Aug.29, updated Sept
28. and Oct. 1(sorry if i knew how to make a link directly to this
i would !, open to some "how-to" on it). Try this ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.1pontiac.com/cgi-bin/1pontiac-cgi/webbbs1-cgi/config.pl?read=3492
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N
(soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl-Performer Cam(mild) and Intake).
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
-liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!)
My SO's rider
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:38:53 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 84 4WD Clutch Woes

I had suspected this the other day as I was yanking the hydraulics from
a wreck to see if it would make a difference in my clutch travel. I
installed a homemade bushing and let out the rod a little on my truck
last night and the truck shifts like it did when I bought it.

Thanks Jeff.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Fisher [mailto:jrfish seqnet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 2:04 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 4WD Clutch Woes


Hey all:

84 F-250 XLT, 4WD, 460, 4 sp manual.

Wrote a while back about my clutch acting up and finally got around to
changing out all the clutch components, lots of fun was had by all.

Initially the problem was that pressing the clutch pedal never fully
disengaged the clutch and the pedal did not return fully after being
actuated.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:20:13 -0500
From: Allen Yoder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ignition system blues

Does anyone have a step by step procedure for debugging the electronic
ignition on a 1986 ford pickup. Has Fuel Ingection and the ignition modual
on the distributor not is a seperate box, (AS FAR AS I KNOW)...

The more detail the better...

Thanks..


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:31:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fwd: halloween

>>>>> >> Subject: YEA HA.....IT'S HALLOWEEN TIME

Our lists have people of all ages and all walks of life. As such,
when I rated our site with RSAC (a rating system to allow parents
to control which sites their children visit) I rated it as "all
audiences" with no adult content. I'm not a prude and I tell adult
jokes myself, but we need to be mindful of who may be listening on
the lists.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:24:00 -0500
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AODE Transmission

First time mailer. Hope it works.
The AODE transmission on my 94 F150 (80,000 miles) is starting to act
up. Does anybody have advise on rebuilding as far as a good aftermarket
Torque Converter, Ford TC are not very good, or a good transmission
chain that may be in Fargo ND? How about a product from ATG
(www.atg-autotrans.com) that claims to fix TC shudder. Any advise would
be appreciated since if I am going to be sending so much money on it I
would like it to work better and last longer.

Thanks
Darrin
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:30:00 -0500
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Truck Manual

Troy,

I took the liberty of checking on-line for you today. JC Whitney has a
manual for your truck. Stock number is: 81ZX1395N. It covers 76-86
full-size pickups (F100, F150, F250 F350), and Bronco. It's only $15.99.
Personally, I think that's a minor investment for all the headaches it will
save you.

The octane rating for your truck should be listed in this manual. Hope this
helps.

Craig
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:57:00 -0500
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger

I gotta question, guys (and gals)...

I keep seeing K & N Filtercharger popping up everywhere. I've noticed it in
the classifieds, the pictorials, and in some of the discussions. This got
my
curiosity up as to what the heck it is. I'm not an engine buff at all, but
know enough to do my own maintenance and even some improvements (willing to
learn much more). In talking with a friend at work, he made mention of how
much less restrictive it is with air flow. He mentioned that it even allows
for around 10-15 more horsepower. I found this to be mentioned in the JC
Whitney "Parts for Pickups" section, too. My question is...Is the
filtercharger just the filter or is it an additional part. From what I've
read, it looks like it's just the filter. I would definitley like to
purchase one.

Anybody have any comments on their experience with a K & N Filtercharger?
Positives? Negatives (if there are any)?

Thanks in advance,
Craig
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:25:51 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger

K&N makes both replaement "stock" type filters and Filterchargers. They
both are made from K&N's oiled gauze element which will flow more air per
square inch than just about anything else on the market. The stock K&N
replaces you stock filter and allows you to use the factory air box or air
cleaner. The Filtercharger replaces the entire air box (they are only made
for EFI engines) with an open element 360 degree filter, which allows
considerably more air to flow than the stock air box would allow. I put a
Filtercharger on my '90 Bronco last year and have noticed a definite
improvement over stock form.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wallace, Craig
To: 80-96 Ford Trucks
Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:26 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger


>I gotta question, guys (and gals)...
>
>I keep seeing K & N Filtercharger popping up everywhere. I've noticed it
in
>the classifieds, the pictorials, and in some of the discussions. This got
>my
>curiosity up as to what the heck it is. I'm not an engine buff at all, but
>know enough to do my own maintenance and even some improvements (willing to
>learn much more). In talking with a friend at work, he made mention of how
>much less restrictive it is with air flow. He mentioned that it even
allows
>for around 10-15 more horsepower. I found this to be mentioned in the JC
>Whitney "Parts for Pickups" section, too. My question is...Is the
>filtercharger just the filter or is it an additional part. From what I've
>read, it looks like it's just the filter. I would definitley like to
>purchase one.
>
>Anybody have any comments on their experience with a K & N Filtercharger?
>Positives? Negatives (if there are any)?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Craig
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:09:57 -0500
From: "BigRed"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger

Since we are on the airbox subject, I've got a question. On the 87 trucks
there is a little canister type deal on the air intake tube that goes from
the grill to the box. Off that canister comes a little hose to the top of
the box. Inside the box is a quarter size thing with two nipples on it. Then
another hose goes maybe a foot farther onto another quarter size thing
hanging in the middle of nowhere with two nipples on it with another hose
going somewhere. Didn't follow to see where to. My question is what are the
quarter size things and what is the purpose of the whole deal? I haven't
noticed it on any truck from 88 and up. So can I just delete it? One guy
told me it sends a signal to the computer for the air temp. I don't have the
tube from the manifold going to the box any more to heat up the air and
did't notice any difference. So I think that must not be it. What do you all
think? Sorry to make this so long. Thanks.
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From: Radoje Spasojevic
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger


>K&N makes both replaement "stock" type filters and Filterchargers. They
>both are made from K&N's oiled gauze element which will flow more air per
>square inch than just about anything else on the market. The stock K&N
>replaces you stock filter and allows you to use the factory air box or air
>cleaner. The Filtercharger replaces the entire air box (they are only made
>for EFI engines) with an open element 360 degree filter, which allows
>considerably more air to flow than the stock air box would allow. I put a
>Filtercharger on my '90 Bronco last year and have noticed a definite
>improvement over stock form.
>
>Rade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wallace, Craig
>To: 80-96 Ford Trucks
>Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 10:26 PM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - K & N Filtercharger
>
>
>>I gotta question, guys (and gals)...
>>
>>I keep seeing K & N Filtercharger popping up everywhere. I've noticed it
>in
>>the classifieds, the pictorials, and in some of the discussions. This got
>>my
>>curiosity up as to what the heck it is. I'm not an engine buff at all,
but
>>know enough to do my own maintenance and even some improvements (willing
to
>>learn much more). In talking with a friend at work, he made mention of
how
>>much less restrictive it is with air flow. He mentioned that it even
>allows
>>for around 10-15 more horsepower. I found this to be mentioned in the JC
>>Whitney "Parts for Pickups" section, too. My question is...Is the
>>filtercharger just the filter or is it an additional part. From what I've....

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