80-96-list-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 335



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Synthetic Diff Lube
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger problem
FTE 80-96 - Thanks for the help on... Where is the blower relay for 1992 F150
FTE 80-96 - Undercoating truck with used motor oil - good or bad?
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 Bronco II with oil leak
Re: FTE 80-96 - Undercoating truck with used motor oil - good or bad?
FTE 80-96 - RE: using oil
FTE 80-96 - Black Death
FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Black Death
Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again
Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?
FTE 80-96 - 4 door, 4x4 truck.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Black Death
FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil
FTE 80-96 - Re: 87 using oil ... plus 7.3 core for sale cheap
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site
Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?
FTE 80-96 - Re: 5.8L rough idle

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:43:56 -0400
From: John Giles
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Synthetic Diff Lube

I use Redline synthetic 85W-140 in my 96 CC 4X4 Dually w/ 4.10LS. Seems
to work well and gives me peace of mind that it's less likely to break
down under the extremely high temps in the dif when towing (ever seen
the paint blister on a diff cover or heat waves after a hard tow at
Interstate speeds?).

The literature indicates that it is completely compatible with normal
dino oil, I tried to get out as much of the old oil as possible when
changing (wiping, etc.). When I ordered it (direct from Redline), they
indicated that I needed friction modifier. I ordered that also, but
when the oil came, the bottle indicated that there was already modifier
in it and I didn't add any. The limited slip seemed to work normally.
I have about 30K miles on the Redline so far, 89K overall.

As I recall, there were several variations of the oil, but I don't
remember the one I ordered, other than it was not the race oil. I can
check bottle at home and reply if interested.

John Giles
Odessa, FL



>Date:Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:52:34 -0400
>From:nuke
>Subject:FTE 80-96 - synthetic 85-140 gear oil

>I want to run synthetic gear oil in my limited slip diff. Where can I >find synthetic 85-140 gear oil? Is it compatible with the limited slip >additive? Do I still need to use the additive?
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:14:24 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Ranger problem

Robert Kennedy wrote:

> You may want to take a pressure rreading at fuel rail, sounds like a fuel
> pressure regulator problem
>

I agree. Get it checked.


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Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:06:15 -0400
From: jdev mitre.org (John DeVincentis)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thanks for the help on... Where is the blower relay for 1992 F150

Guys,
Just wanted to say thanks for all the help.
I found the resistors this weekend in the blower box.
The resistors were fine, but one terminal on the back side of
the resistors had corroded and rusted off right into the connector.
It looks like I will have to replace both the resistors and put a new
connector on.
Thanks for all your help. It saved me alot of time.

Regards,
John Dee



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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:10:17 -0400
From: jdev mitre.org (John DeVincentis)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Undercoating truck with used motor oil - good or bad?

Guys,
Ever heard of spraying used motor oil on the underside of
the truck to prevent things from rusting?
I live it the northeast and they use alot of salt on the
roads in the winter to keep the roads free of ice.
Can it cause any harm to the things made of rubber: hoses,
bushing, etc....

Thanks in advance for any feedback,

Regards
John Dee

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:56:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 Bronco II with oil leak

Tightening the valve cover gaskets frequently does more harm than good.
If they've been on there awhile,chances are that the gaskets have become
brittle from oil and heat.When you apply pressure to them yo can open
further any cracks that exist and make new cracks in them that weren't
there before.If they leak change them and like Ken said,torque them to
the proper spec.

Randy Goolsby -94 Bronco EB-85 F250 4x4 "the second amendment
guarantees the others"

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:02:54 -0400
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Undercoating truck with used motor oil - good or bad?

I've heard of guys up in Canada spraying oil on the chassis. They seem to
feel it's OK.
I've lived in Montana, Northern Iowa and now PA. We normally just wait
until it's above
freezing and spray off the underside at the car wish. My present car and
truck are
around 15 years old and not rusted out. Good point about possible rubber
deterioration.

Mike

redden enter.net
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:54:00 -0500
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: using oil

Scott Severns wrote:

Hey gang!!
......The problem is I'm am using or losing 2 quarts of oil in 250 miles. We
have checked compression on cylinders, checked the plugs, check the rear
main, front main and the EGR, and NOTHING has shown up to be severe enough
to
consume 2 USqts of oil in 200 miles. We even went the route of considering
the oil being trapped in the cylinder head and boiling, due to clogged
return
ports. We replaced the valve seals (guides were tight) and cleaned the
return ports of debris (nothing severe there)and washed our hands and
considered the problem resolved. NO WAY, still using/losing oil as fast as
this beast uses gas. HELP!!!
________________________________________________________

Scott,

Have you changed the oil recently? I know these two things may seem
elementary, but make sure the drian plug is in tight. One other thing that
can happen to anyone is at the oil filter. I know, this happened to me
once.
When removing the old oil filter (to my dismay), the seal stuck to the
engine block. When I put the new filter on, the two seals combined (new and
old) caused a major spray of engine oil. I couldn't figure out for the life
of me, where the heck this could be coming from. After losing quite a bit
of
oil and patience, I traced my steps back through the oil/filter change.
Sure
enough, I found the problem. I always say you learn more from your mistakes
then your successes. Since then, not an oil change goes by that I do not
check to make sure the seal is still on the old oil filter when removing.
Let us know what you find.

Later,
Craig
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:53:57 -0500
From: Dalton Cross
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Black Death

I have a 1990 F150 truck with 167,000 miles. I know it's getting
old but its still a good truck. Recently when my air conditioning
compressor failed my mechanic told me I had the black death. We went
through 4 compressors before finally getting one to work for about a
month and now it has failed. He tells me this is deterioration of the
system and the small particles from inside the components break loose
and corrupt the system. I am spending a lot of money to get this fixed
and so far it not going too well. Does anyone have any info on this? Do
I just need to replace everything in the system or is there something
specific I can do to stop this? Thanks for your assistance.

Dalton Cross
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:14:16 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?

I recently had a problem with my '88 F150 and in the process of trying to
fix it, I found this small sealed metal box under the dash. Initially I
thought it was the computer but after more playing around trying to fix the
problem, I discovered the computer hiding in the driver side kick panel.

So, what does this little metal box do? Its located under the dash just
above the transmission hump.

cheers,

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Mark Ponsford721-7397 or mponsfor uvic.ca


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:44:19 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Black Death

Hey Dalton,
Did the mechanic change out the orifice tube, and accumulator? check out this
message board for air cond. you can post a question there also.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.aircondition.com/wwwboard/alternative/messages/1004.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:08:49 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?

Mark Ponsford wrote:

> I recently had a problem with my '88 F150 and in the process of trying to
> fix it, I found this small sealed metal box under the dash. Initially I
> thought it was the computer but after more playing around trying to fix the
> problem, I discovered the computer hiding in the driver side kick panel.

Mark,
I too have one and am not sure either what it does. Mine is a light blue
box with the dimensions (3.5" x 3.5" x 1") roughly. Does this sound
like yours. However, mine is located under the dash but pretty much
directly behind the radio. Anybody know this one ?


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:51:44 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 ifs pivot bushing

todd trifilm.com wrote:

> Hi,
> I have an '87 FS Bronco with a Rancho 4" lift kit. I replaced the TTB pivot
> bushings and radius arm bushings over a year ago while I was already geared up
> from a rear main seal replacement. I did the bushings in my driveway with the
> engine in, a floor jack and a cheap scissor jack. I lifted the corner of the
> truck with the floor jack and jacked the tire/axle up with the scissor jack. I
> pulled the pivot bolt out while the arm was at a neutral position, removed the
> coil spring top retainer clip, loosened the radius arm bushing retaining nut,
> and I think I had removed my sway bar. A combo of jacking the tire and lowering

Thanx also Todd.


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Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:29:10 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dead Truck - - going again

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I found a fusible link that was blown behind the engine, in the big
> bundle that heads for the computer. Fixed the fusible link, tryed to
> start the truck, and the soleniod stuck open again. So, I went to napa,

VERY, VERY VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT CASEY :-). I almost
thought you were going to give up. :-( Don't get mad at a Ford get
EVEN. :-)



> have to drive now (just because I can...)

I hear ya.
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Blasters
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:11:13 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?

At 12:08 PM -0500 9/28/98, Rick Wojciechowski wrote:
>Mark Ponsford wrote:
>
>> I recently had a problem with my '88 F150 and in the process of trying to
>> fix it, I found this small sealed metal box under the dash. Initially I
>> thought it was the computer but after more playing around trying to fix the
>> problem, I discovered the computer hiding in the driver side kick panel.
>
>Mark,
> I too have one and am not sure either what it does. Mine is a light blue
>box with the dimensions (3.5" x 3.5" x 1") roughly. Does this sound
>like yours. However, mine is located under the dash but pretty much
>directly behind the radio. Anybody know this one ?

Mine isn't blue. It's sort of an anodized gold colour. Held on by two hex
headed screws. I'm taking a stab in the dark here but possibly something to
do with ABS?





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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:36:52 -0700
From: Bill Lenehan
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4 door, 4x4 truck.

hey rick,

i got your email address from the yahoo ford truck (80-96) group. you
seem very knowledgeable. i hope that you do not mind me picking your
brain.

i am looking for a 4 door, 4x4 (short bed), 92-96 ford truck. i believe
that the model that i am looking for is an f-350 xlt.

questions:
is that the correct type?
any idea on the cost of this vehicle?
any idea on the availability?
- -did they make a lot?
- -are there a lot in a certain region (i am in s. calif. and have not
seen many).
any ideas and how (and where) to search for one?
is the truck well rated for quality?
any other thoughts?

any info would be appreciated.

thanks,

bill l


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:35:28 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.8 rough idle

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
> Yeah EFI, I also cleaned the idle-air by-pass valve, with no luck, i even
> changed the stator assembly in the distributor.ford cleaned the injectors, new
> wires, plugs,egr,evp,map, oxygen sensors,all sensors replaced new coil,
> cap,rotor,fuel filter,fuel pump/injector regulator, checked pump pressure ok.
> k & n air filter, and much, much more.I dont know what to tell you. I still
> enjoyed the truck anyway ,despite the rough idle.IT WAS A POWERHOUSE. I made
> it look like new again, before i sold it. Now its time to do the same with my
> 89 E-250 Van. Cant help it. Its in my blood.Dumping my $$$ into ford trucks.
> Its a good investment.

Every Lightning I see idles a little rough and I have asked this
question on the Lightning list and it has alot to do with being speed
density and not mass air! Some other things that were mentioned was a
dirty EGR system and try cleaning the fuel system, throttle body,
injectors, intakes...all this stuff helps but never truely goes away, I
know your cam is not the same as a Lightning but the guys that have
switch to mass air claim better idling habits.
I had a friend at work(old job) that had a 351 in his extended cab idled
rough but just touch the throttle and off it went the rough idle had no
effect on how well the truck ran!
Hope I helped
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:30:20 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Black Death

Dalton,
Theres a message on air cond.com with the same problem as yours black death.
click on this link and you will find it.
The Automotive A/C Bulletin
Board--Messages
good luck, joe
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:47:30 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil

>From: nuke
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: synthetic 85-140 gear oil
>
>Okay I was wondering about running 75-90w synthetic in my 8.8 inch rear
>with the HD 31 tooth Traction-Loc diff even though it calls for the heavier
>75-140w stuff, thinking that the synthetic though lighter in viscosity
>would be a better product.
>
> This is a heavy duty 1/2 ton, 11 inch rear brakes, 11 inch clutch, HD Ford
>RUG 4 spd OD xmsn, the 208 xfer case though. Anyway occasionally I'll be
>pulling a 25 foot boat from Palm Beach to the Florida Keys, but most of the
>time highway driving and some light trail driving to get to hunting and
>fishing holes, and pulling the boat the ramp 2 miles from home.
>
>I've received two messages from folks that have run the lighter 75-90 in
>their rears looks like around 100,000 miles or more with out any adverse
>effects. I was leaning that way and now I got some supporting info along
>the same line of thought. Anyone out there violently object to this idea?
> I found some 75-140 synthetic at a Napa store but $32 seemed to rich for
>my blood.



I have the 75-90w synthetic in my 8.8" inch rear in my 92 Crown Vic.
It sports 3.55 truck gears (straight swap guys) and a Mustang Trac-Lok
which will not fit a truck . Mine was just the generic Canadian
Tire 75-90w synthetic and a little bit of friction modifier to stop the
chatter. You can feel the difference over the plain Quaker state lube I used
when I first installed the limited slip and later the gear. By the way, the
Quaker State lube claims "For open or Limited Slip diffs". Don't read that
to mean no Friction Modifier necessary. Chattered like all get out.

I don't tow with this car but I don't baby it either. It has run for
hours at 180 kph and the rear and rear wheel bearings stay cool, which
would really be just slightly warm. The axle had all new seals intalled
with the gear change but has never leaked oil before or after the
75-90w synthetic was installed.

I had used the AMC 85-140 synthetic in a Ford 8" rear in the past,
hoping the heavier weight would offer more protection and was disappointed
in that I felt no gain. Don't know what was in it to begin with.


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
Tire chains, camping gear, tools,82 Bronco and some shooting stuff too.







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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:49:22 -0300
From: sbest
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 87 using oil ... plus 7.3 core for sale cheap

>From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 87 using oil ... plus 7.3 core for sale cheap

>PS Anybody need a 7.3 core? Cheap, it's only gonna become an anchor here soon.
>Longmont CO (35 miles N of Denver).


I hope this is not hurting anyones chance at getting a good 7.3 real cheap
but have you seen what the rebuilders are paying for a good core?

The pump in any shape is worth a lot of money to the rebuilders also.

Wish I was closer, I could use the few extra HP over my 6.9s :-)


Steve Best, Nova Scotia, sbest glinx.com
4 wheel drive van page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glinx.com/users/sbest
Tire chains, camping gear, tools,82 Bronco and some shooting stuff too.







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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:05:49 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?

My advice would be to tear it out and see what goes wrong the next time you
drive it :o)

Rade
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From: Mark Ponsford
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What does this thing do?


>At 12:08 PM -0500 9/28/98, Rick Wojciechowski wrote:
>>Mark Ponsford wrote:
>>
>>> I recently had a problem with my '88 F150 and in the process of trying
to
>>> fix it, I found this small sealed metal box under the dash. Initially I
>>> thought it was the computer but after more playing around trying to fix
the
>>> problem, I discovered the computer hiding in the driver side kick panel.
>>
>>Mark,
>> I too have one and am not sure either what it does. Mine is a light
blue
>>box with the dimensions (3.5" x 3.5" x 1") roughly. Does this sound
>>like yours. However, mine is located under the dash but pretty much
>>directly behind the radio. Anybody know this one ?
>
>Mine isn't blue. It's sort of an anodized gold colour. Held on by two hex
>headed screws. I'm taking a stab in the dark here but possibly something to
>do with ABS?
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:27:05 -0700
From: "Mike Hammock"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 5.8L rough idle

This is my first post to this list so please bear with me. I am an
automotive technician by trade with 20+ years of experience and am
employed by a private university that has a 55 vehicle fleet. I also have a
great deal of experience in high performance engines.

All 88-90 5.8L engines idle rough due to aggressive cam timing. This was
covered in
a TSB back in 1990. I own an 88 F-150 4x4 and complained about it under
warranty at 34k miles. They did the same stuff--- cleaned injectors, new
EGR valve, etc. Truck didn't run any different. Stapled to the back of the
work order was a photocopy of the TSB. I knew this was going to be the case
as it is not hard to tell a rump-rump cam.
Basically it was a snow job for them to collect some warranty money from
Ford.

All 91-92 5.8L engines had a cam with more valve lift but shorter cam
timing numbers (Lightings excluded- they are there own beast.) Power stayed
the same but the idle smoothed out. At work, we had a 92 E-350 that was
purchased new and at 104k it still would not slop your latte on the dash at
idle. Unfortunately the van took a LF corner shot on the freeway and that
was the end of that.

93 and up 5.8L finally got the roller cam. 94's also got sequential fuel
injection instead of the previous batch fire set-up. This made things even
smoother. We had one of these also but the van did an imitation of a turtle
on it's back down in Mexico a couple of months ago.

An alternative cam is out now from Edelbrock. No E.O. yet but it's numbers
are interesting. Check it out at their website. Crane also had a cam in
their Compucam 2000 line but I do not know if it is still offered.

I have an Edelbrock 5.8 EFI intake, 56mm throttle body, and a TES system....


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